Redisplay Messages: Compact | Brief | All | Full Show Messages: All | Without Replies Author: | yorbrick | Posted: | Jul 9, 2019 09:26 | Subject: | Re: Benny's torso 973pb1652c02 | Viewed: | 36 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
| | You just said it has two arms, but it doesn't unless you are counting the
unattached robot arm and claw.
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I make that two arms.
| The catalog picture for a minifigure shows the
minifigure assembled. Most catalog pictures for sets show the set assembled.
But your customers are not expecting you to take what Lego supplied and assemble
it for them like the picture.
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I agree. Most customers buying new parts expect me to take the new parts as supplied
by LEGO and send those. They do not expect me to assemble them. But I cannot
sell the parts that LEGO supplied here, I have to sell either a combination of
them or pull them apart. There is no option to sell it as it was originally supplied.
It is the inconsistency that is a problem. Going back to the sprues, LEGO did
not intend them to be used according to the pictures of the sets. But BL catalogues
these parts as coming on a sprue. They are listed as coming that way in the set,
whether or not all the parts are needed. There is an option to sell the parts
connected to a sprue (or in a bag) as supplied or sell the parts individually.
Whereas here, they are not listed as they come in the set. There is no option
to sell the parts as supplied.
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Author: | axaday | Posted: | Jul 9, 2019 09:06 | Subject: | Re: Benny's torso 973pb1652c02 | Viewed: | 38 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| It is what lego supplied. It has two arms, just no robot arm / claw extension.
I don't know if there is a market for it, as it cannot be sold that way.
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Isn't what Lego supplies what is in the picture, just not all put together?
You just said it has two arms, but it doesn't unless you are counting the
unattached robot arm and claw. The catalog picture for a minifigure shows the
minifigure assembled. Most catalog pictures for sets show the set assembled.
But your customers are not expecting you to take what Lego supplied and assemble
it for them like the picture.
| And there are plenty of listings for torsos without arms, whether there is a
market for them or not. They all get catalogued even though this is not how lego
supply them. Yet these pieces don't get listed as they are supplied - but
do get catalogued if you either add another part or remove some parts.
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Yes, there are listings for EVERY torso with arms. While Lego never supplied
them with no arms and the market for unattached torsos varies greaty among them,
the point of having every torso in the catalog is that every torso is a discrete
Lego element. The catalog tries to contain every discrete Lego element, but
has always been cautious about having listings for combinations of pieces. A
full minifig, yes. Some big figs and brickbuilt animals now, yes. Combined
turntables that sometimes came assembled in sets, yes. Some combinations that
are hard to take back apart without damage, yes. But some minifig parts in an
obviously incomplete assembly because Lego supplied them? I don't see the
point and it opens a giant can of worms. Did you know that through the 80s and
90s, minifig torsos usually came with their heads attached? Should we have a
listing for each of those head/torso combinations because Lego supplied them
that way? Does anyone really want a head and torso with no hat or legs? Or
a torso with 1 arm and 1 hand? I doubt it unless the price is very low.
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Author: | yorbrick | Posted: | Jul 9, 2019 09:03 | Subject: | Re: What sets could I build from my inventory | Viewed: | 44 times | Topic: | Inventories | |
| In Inventories, szellandor writes:
| Hey guys,
Is there a listing option here to check which complete sets could I be able to
build using the parts in my inventory? If the answer is yes, can I exclude the
parts from my inventory that belong to a complete set I wouldn't want to
take apart for the purpose? I have a crazy amount of spare parts, I'd like
to check wether they could add up to some nice, complete sets
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https://rebrickable.com/
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Author: | BRICKcycling | Posted: | Jul 9, 2019 09:02 | Subject: | What sets could I build from my inventory | Viewed: | 64 times | Topic: | Inventories | Status: | Open | |
| Hey guys,
Is there a listing option here to check which complete sets could I be able to
build using the parts in my inventory? If the answer is yes, can I exclude the
parts from my inventory that belong to a complete set I wouldn't want to
take apart for the purpose? I have a crazy amount of spare parts, I'd like
to check wether they could add up to some nice, complete sets
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Author: | yorbrick | Posted: | Jul 9, 2019 08:44 | Subject: | Re: Benny's torso 973pb1652c02 | Viewed: | 28 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| Because at Bricklink you cannot sell the torso assembly as it is supplied by
LEGO. There is not a catalogue entry for the torso, arm and hand and robot arm
without the claw, as supplied by LEGO. To match the catalogue entry, you need
to add the robot arm.
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Do you really want to sell a torso with 1 arm? Is there is a market for that?
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It is what lego supplied. It has two arms, just no robot arm / claw extension.
I don't know if there is a market for it, as it cannot be sold that way.
And there are plenty of listings for torsos without arms, whether there is a
market for them or not. They all get catalogued even though this is not how lego
supply them. Yet these pieces don't get listed as they are supplied - but
do get catalogued if you either add another part or remove some parts.
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Author: | axaday | Posted: | Jul 9, 2019 08:12 | Subject: | Re: Benny's torso 973pb1652c02 | Viewed: | 31 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| Because at Bricklink you cannot sell the torso assembly as it is supplied by
LEGO. There is not a catalogue entry for the torso, arm and hand and robot arm
without the claw, as supplied by LEGO. To match the catalogue entry, you need
to add the robot arm.
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Do you really want to sell a torso with 1 arm? Is there is a market for that?
| It implies you have to either add the arm to the torso, or bag them separately
to keep them together, or store them unattached but need to remember to add the
robot arm, and hope the buyer finds the robot arm before complaining that it
is missing the arm.
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If you attach the arm one time, it is still new according to the rules. That
option is on the table. Bagging them separately and together are both on the
table, together being probably preferable if you are afraid the buyer will not
find the arm.
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Author: | 62Bricks | Posted: | Jul 9, 2019 07:41 | Subject: | Re: Benny's torso 973pb1652c02 | Viewed: | 35 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | Precedence.
All of the other torsos that use
are handled the same way.
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OK, so it's historical. Will this ever be changed to reflect what is actually
received in a set rather than what is needed for a set, like the debate about
the sprued parts now being the whole sprue rather than the required parts only?
If parting these out it is necessary to assemble them, and I don't want to
assemble them if they later become the individual parts.
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Please don't assemble ANY of the minifig parts if you are selling it to me.
Why would this imply that anyone wanted you to do that?
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Because at Bricklink you cannot sell the torso assembly as it is supplied by
LEGO. There is not a catalogue entry for the torso, arm and hand and robot arm
without the claw, as supplied by LEGO. To match the catalogue entry, you need
to add the robot arm.
It implies you have to either add the arm to the torso, or bag them separately
to keep them together, or store them unattached but need to remember to add the
robot arm, and hope the buyer finds the robot arm before complaining that it
is missing the arm.
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Another illustrative example of why the "consistency" approach doesn't work.
In cases like this, the admins have to choose which practice to be "consistent"
with, which creates inconsistency.
The way to avoid it is to have guidelines that are as simple as possible. "Define
parts based on how they are found in a sealed set" is one simple guideline. If
we always follow that guideline, then the set inventories take care of themselves
and parting out new sets works. If we make an exception, then make more exceptions
because of that first exception, then ultimately ignore the guideline because
"That's they way we've always done it," the guideline has lost its meaning.
When faced with a dilemma like this partly-assembled torso, the decision should
be made in favor of the more basic principle, not later exceptions.
I think it is clear that many of the inconsistencies in the catalog are the result
of implementing ever-more complicated "rules" that are put in place to handle
exceptions rather than basing decisions on a few simple guidelines.
It should surprise nobody that people attracted to Lego are also really into
elaborate systems, but the secret to Lego's success as a system is that it
is not elaborate. Just a few rules create a very flexible system.
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Author: | yorbrick | Posted: | Jul 9, 2019 06:56 | Subject: | Re: Benny's torso 973pb1652c02 | Viewed: | 44 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | Precedence.
All of the other torsos that use
are handled the same way.
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OK, so it's historical. Will this ever be changed to reflect what is actually
received in a set rather than what is needed for a set, like the debate about
the sprued parts now being the whole sprue rather than the required parts only?
If parting these out it is necessary to assemble them, and I don't want to
assemble them if they later become the individual parts.
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Please don't assemble ANY of the minifig parts if you are selling it to me.
Why would this imply that anyone wanted you to do that?
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Because at Bricklink you cannot sell the torso assembly as it is supplied by
LEGO. There is not a catalogue entry for the torso, arm and hand and robot arm
without the claw, as supplied by LEGO. To match the catalogue entry, you need
to add the robot arm.
It implies you have to either add the arm to the torso, or bag them separately
to keep them together, or store them unattached but need to remember to add the
robot arm, and hope the buyer finds the robot arm before complaining that it
is missing the arm.
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Author: | axaday | Posted: | Jul 9, 2019 05:45 | Subject: | Re: Benny's torso 973pb1652c02 | Viewed: | 36 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | Precedence.
All of the other torsos that use
are handled the same way.
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OK, so it's historical. Will this ever be changed to reflect what is actually
received in a set rather than what is needed for a set, like the debate about
the sprued parts now being the whole sprue rather than the required parts only?
If parting these out it is necessary to assemble them, and I don't want to
assemble them if they later become the individual parts.
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Please don't assemble ANY of the minifig parts if you are selling it to me.
Why would this imply that anyone wanted you to do that?
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Author: | yorbrick | Posted: | Jul 9, 2019 05:28 | Subject: | Re: Benny's torso 973pb1652c02 | Viewed: | 39 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
| | Precedence.
All of the other torsos that use
are handled the same way.
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OK, so it's historical. Will this ever be changed to reflect what is actually
received in a set rather than what is needed for a set, like the debate about
the sprued parts now being the whole sprue rather than the required parts only?
If parting these out it is necessary to assemble them, and I don't want to
assemble them if they later become the individual parts.
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Author: | randyf | Posted: | Jul 9, 2019 05:12 | Subject: | Re: Benny's torso 973pb1652c02 | Viewed: | 38 times | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| This part is listed as
I have opened seven of the CMF versions and they do not come like this in the
set. The torso comes without the robot arm attached. Is there are reason having
only the assembly in the inventory, and not having it how it actually comes in
the CMF set?
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Precedence.
All of the other torsos that use
are handled the same way.
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemIn.asp?P=62691&in=P
Cheers,
Randy
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Author: | gvbricks | Posted: | Jul 9, 2019 05:09 | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Gear 50011 | Viewed: | 18 times | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory: [G=50011]
* Add 2 Part 60470b Black Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Clips Horizontal (thick open O clips) (Alternate) (match ID 2)
* Change 2 Part Black 60470 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Clips Horizontal (thick open U clips) {match ID 0 to 2}
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Author: | yorbrick | Posted: | Jul 9, 2019 04:48 | Subject: | Benny's torso 973pb1652c02 | Viewed: | 82 times | Topic: | Catalog | Status: | Open | |
| This part is listed as
I have opened seven of the CMF versions and they do not come like this in the
set. The torso comes without the robot arm attached. Is there are reason having
only the assembly in the inventory, and not having it how it actually comes in
the CMF set?
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Author: | randyf | Posted: | Jul 8, 2019 19:24 | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 1386-1 | Viewed: | 21 times | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 1 Part clikits040 Trans-Clear Clikits Cord, Jelly String with 2 Caps - 170mm - top attachment (match ID 1)
* Delete 1 Part clikits008 Trans-Dark Pink Clikits Bead, Ring Thick Small Double with 2 Pins (match ID 2)
* Change 1 Part {Dark Pink to Magenta} clikits001 Clikits Icon, Heart 2 x 2 Large with Pin
* Change 1 Part {Light Blue to Sky Blue} clikits006 Clikits Icon, Star 2 x 2 Large with Pin
* Change 1 Part {Medium Orange to Trans-Light Orange} clikits081 Clikits Flexy Film, Flower 10 Petals 4 x 4 with Raised Border
* Change 1 Part Trans-Pink clikits040 Clikits Cord, Jelly String with 2 Caps - 170mm - top attachment {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 1 to 0}
* Change 1 Part Trans-Pink clikits008 Clikits Bead, Ring Thick Small Double with 2 Pins {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 2 to 0}
Comments from Submitter:
From sealed set contents.
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Author: | randyf | Posted: | Jul 8, 2019 18:48 | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7531-1 | Viewed: | 20 times | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, axaday writes:
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part clikits018 Trans-Dark Pink Clikits Cord, Jelly String with 2 Caps - 375mm - top attachment (Alternate) (match ID 1)
* Change 1 Part Trans-Pink clikits018 Clikits Cord, Jelly String with 2 Caps - 375mm - top attachment {match ID 0 to 1}
Comments from Submitter:
My set contained dark. Much too late for a sealed pic, but I've had it under control since opening it.
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The set probably always contained Trans-Dark Pink. Since your set was sealed
and the original inventory has had so many problems corrected in it over time,
I think I will remove the Trans-Pink one altogether. If a Trans-Pink one is ever
found in the future, we can add it back in.
Cheers,
Randy
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Author: | Mistress_Lisa | Posted: | Jul 8, 2019 18:02 | Subject: | Re: From Champ to Loser | Viewed: | 145 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, superchicken77 writes:
| I have no idea what this is about. Can anyone enlighten me?
In Suggestions, bwes writes:
| You can buy the loser in my shop
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Maybe because the US women won the world cup by beating Netherlands 2-0?
So perhaps there are some soccer players in his inventory?
Lisa
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Author: | Turez | Posted: | Jul 8, 2019 17:17 | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 8022-1 | Viewed: | 28 times | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 2 Part Light Gray {3650a Technic, Gear 24 Tooth Crown (1st Version - Not Reinforced) to 3650b Technic, Gear 24 Tooth Crown (2nd Version - Reinforced)}
Comments from Submitter:
I didn't find photos of sealed set contents here. However, based on my recent inventory change requests, I think the transition from 3650a to 3650b is quite clear now.
- 3650a was included in sets until 1991. We have proof that two sets (8074 and 8856) released in 1991 came with 3650a in early and 3650b in later copies.
- 3650b was included in a copy of set 8837 which was produced in March 1992.
- During my research, I didn't find 3650a in any set released after 1991.
(If this request is accepted, I will continue with the remaining wrong and undetermined entries of this part.)
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Author: | axaday | Posted: | Jul 8, 2019 17:07 | Subject: | Re: From Champ to Loser | Viewed: | 93 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, superchicken77 writes:
| I have no idea what this is about. Can anyone enlighten me?
In Suggestions, bwes writes:
| You can buy the loser in my shop
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Care Bears 2?
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Author: | axaday | Posted: | Jul 8, 2019 16:32 | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 7531-1 | Viewed: | 22 times | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part clikits018 Trans-Dark Pink Clikits Cord, Jelly String with 2 Caps - 375mm - top attachment (Alternate) (match ID 1)
* Change 1 Part Trans-Pink clikits018 Clikits Cord, Jelly String with 2 Caps - 375mm - top attachment {match ID 0 to 1}
Comments from Submitter:
My set contained dark. Much too late for a sealed pic, but I've had it under control since opening it.
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Author: | superchicken77 | Posted: | Jul 8, 2019 16:17 | Subject: | Re: From Champ to Loser | Viewed: | 105 times | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| I have no idea what this is about. Can anyone enlighten me?
In Suggestions, bwes writes:
| You can buy the loser in my shop
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Author: | BricksShop | Posted: | Jul 8, 2019 15:17 | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 60068-1 | Viewed: | 25 times | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 1 Part 18904c01pb01 Dark Green Alligator / Crocodile with 20 Teeth with Yellow Eyes Pattern with Blue Technic, Pin 1/2
* Add 1 Part 18904 Dark Green Alligator / Crocodile Body with 10 Lower Teeth
* Add 1 Part 18905pb01 Dark Green Alligator / Crocodile Head Upper Jaw with Yellow Eyes Pattern
* Add 1 Part 18906 Dark Green Alligator / Crocodile Tail with Hole
* Add 1 Part 18904c01pb01 Dark Green Alligator / Crocodile with 20 Teeth with Yellow Eyes Pattern with Blue Technic, Pin 1/2 (Alternate)
* Change {1 to 2} Part Blue 4274 Technic, Pin 1/2
Comments from Submitter:
The Crocodile is delivered as single parts according the parts list at the end of instruction #4. The Assembled Crocodile should be added as an alternative part.
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Author: | axaday | Posted: | Jul 8, 2019 13:55 | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7518-1 | Viewed: | 15 times | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| In Inventories Requests, axaday writes:
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 2 Part {Orange to (Not Applicable)} clikits076 Clikits Paper, Insert 4 x 4 for Frame clikits011, Flowers Image
Comments from Submitter:
The other papers in Clikits and everywhere are 0-Not Applicable.
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I was just looking at this part yesterday and saying I needed to get it changed.
Thanks for doing the work for me!
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Just shoring up for a tsunami.
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Author: | randyf | Posted: | Jul 8, 2019 12:51 | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7518-1 | Viewed: | 20 times | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, axaday writes:
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 2 Part {Orange to (Not Applicable)} clikits076 Clikits Paper, Insert 4 x 4 for Frame clikits011, Flowers Image
Comments from Submitter:
The other papers in Clikits and everywhere are 0-Not Applicable.
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I was just looking at this part yesterday and saying I needed to get it changed.
Thanks for doing the work for me!
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Author: | randyf | Posted: | Jul 8, 2019 12:44 | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 1060-1 | Viewed: | 35 times | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, elias3 writes:
| In Inventories Requests, paulvdb writes:
| In Inventories Requests, zorbanyc writes:
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 6 Part 3031 Light Gray Plate 4 x 4
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I see that you have a new set for sale in your store. I assume that set is the
source for this request?
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Maybe some pictures with detail from the 4x4 plates (time area...)?
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Yes, I would also like to see some images of this.
Cheers,
Randy
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Author: | axaday | Posted: | Jul 8, 2019 11:28 | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 7513-1 | Viewed: | 19 times | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 1 Part {Orange to (Not Applicable)} clikits076 Clikits Paper, Insert 4 x 4 for Frame clikits011, Flowers Image
Comments from Submitter:
This is to get all papers handled the same way.
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