| Redisplay Messages: Compact | Brief | All | Full Show Messages: All | Without Replies| Author: | axaday  | | Posted: | Jul 9, 2019 08:12 | | Subject: | Re: Benny's torso 973pb1652c02 | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | Because at Bricklink you cannot sell the torso assembly as it is supplied by
LEGO. There is not a catalogue entry for the torso, arm and hand and robot arm
without the claw, as supplied by LEGO. To match the catalogue entry, you need
to add the robot arm.
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Do you really want to sell a torso with 1 arm? Is there is a market for that?
| | It implies you have to either add the arm to the torso, or bag them separately
to keep them together, or store them unattached but need to remember to add the
robot arm, and hope the buyer finds the robot arm before complaining that it
is missing the arm.
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If you attach the arm one time, it is still new according to the rules. That
option is on the table. Bagging them separately and together are both on the
table, together being probably preferable if you are afraid the buyer will not
find the arm.
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| Author: | 62Bricks | | Posted: | Jul 9, 2019 07:41 | | Subject: | Re: Benny's torso 973pb1652c02 | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | | | Precedence.
All of the other torsos that use
are handled the same way.
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OK, so it's historical. Will this ever be changed to reflect what is actually
received in a set rather than what is needed for a set, like the debate about
the sprued parts now being the whole sprue rather than the required parts only?
If parting these out it is necessary to assemble them, and I don't want to
assemble them if they later become the individual parts.
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Please don't assemble ANY of the minifig parts if you are selling it to me.
Why would this imply that anyone wanted you to do that?
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Because at Bricklink you cannot sell the torso assembly as it is supplied by
LEGO. There is not a catalogue entry for the torso, arm and hand and robot arm
without the claw, as supplied by LEGO. To match the catalogue entry, you need
to add the robot arm.
It implies you have to either add the arm to the torso, or bag them separately
to keep them together, or store them unattached but need to remember to add the
robot arm, and hope the buyer finds the robot arm before complaining that it
is missing the arm.
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Another illustrative example of why the "consistency" approach doesn't work.
In cases like this, the admins have to choose which practice to be "consistent"
with, which creates inconsistency.
The way to avoid it is to have guidelines that are as simple as possible. "Define
parts based on how they are found in a sealed set" is one simple guideline. If
we always follow that guideline, then the set inventories take care of themselves
and parting out new sets works. If we make an exception, then make more exceptions
because of that first exception, then ultimately ignore the guideline because
"That's they way we've always done it," the guideline has lost its meaning.
When faced with a dilemma like this partly-assembled torso, the decision should
be made in favor of the more basic principle, not later exceptions.
I think it is clear that many of the inconsistencies in the catalog are the result
of implementing ever-more complicated "rules" that are put in place to handle
exceptions rather than basing decisions on a few simple guidelines.
It should surprise nobody that people attracted to Lego are also really into
elaborate systems, but the secret to Lego's success as a system is that it
is not elaborate. Just a few rules create a very flexible system.
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jul 9, 2019 06:56 | | Subject: | Re: Benny's torso 973pb1652c02 | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | | | Precedence.
All of the other torsos that use
are handled the same way.
|
OK, so it's historical. Will this ever be changed to reflect what is actually
received in a set rather than what is needed for a set, like the debate about
the sprued parts now being the whole sprue rather than the required parts only?
If parting these out it is necessary to assemble them, and I don't want to
assemble them if they later become the individual parts.
|
Please don't assemble ANY of the minifig parts if you are selling it to me.
Why would this imply that anyone wanted you to do that?
|
Because at Bricklink you cannot sell the torso assembly as it is supplied by
LEGO. There is not a catalogue entry for the torso, arm and hand and robot arm
without the claw, as supplied by LEGO. To match the catalogue entry, you need
to add the robot arm.
It implies you have to either add the arm to the torso, or bag them separately
to keep them together, or store them unattached but need to remember to add the
robot arm, and hope the buyer finds the robot arm before complaining that it
is missing the arm.
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| Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Jul 9, 2019 05:45 | | Subject: | Re: Benny's torso 973pb1652c02 | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | | | Precedence.
All of the other torsos that use
are handled the same way.
|
OK, so it's historical. Will this ever be changed to reflect what is actually
received in a set rather than what is needed for a set, like the debate about
the sprued parts now being the whole sprue rather than the required parts only?
If parting these out it is necessary to assemble them, and I don't want to
assemble them if they later become the individual parts.
|
Please don't assemble ANY of the minifig parts if you are selling it to me.
Why would this imply that anyone wanted you to do that?
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jul 9, 2019 05:28 | | Subject: | Re: Benny's torso 973pb1652c02 | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| | | Precedence.
All of the other torsos that use
are handled the same way.
|
OK, so it's historical. Will this ever be changed to reflect what is actually
received in a set rather than what is needed for a set, like the debate about
the sprued parts now being the whole sprue rather than the required parts only?
If parting these out it is necessary to assemble them, and I don't want to
assemble them if they later become the individual parts.
|
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Jul 9, 2019 05:12 | | Subject: | Re: Benny's torso 973pb1652c02 | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | This part is listed as
I have opened seven of the CMF versions and they do not come like this in the
set. The torso comes without the robot arm attached. Is there are reason having
only the assembly in the inventory, and not having it how it actually comes in
the CMF set?
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Precedence.
All of the other torsos that use
are handled the same way.
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogItemIn.asp?P=62691&in=P
Cheers,
Randy
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| Author: | gvbricks | | Posted: | Jul 9, 2019 05:09 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Gear 50011 | | Viewed: | 18 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory: [G=50011]
* Add 2 Part 60470b Black Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Clips Horizontal (thick open O clips) (Alternate) (match ID 2)
* Change 2 Part Black 60470 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with Clips Horizontal (thick open U clips) {match ID 0 to 2}
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jul 9, 2019 04:48 | | Subject: | Benny's torso 973pb1652c02 | | Viewed: | 82 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
| This part is listed as
I have opened seven of the CMF versions and they do not come like this in the
set. The torso comes without the robot arm attached. Is there are reason having
only the assembly in the inventory, and not having it how it actually comes in
the CMF set?
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Jul 8, 2019 19:24 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 1386-1 | | Viewed: | 21 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 1 Part clikits040 Trans-Clear Clikits Cord, Jelly String with 2 Caps - 170mm - top attachment (match ID 1)
* Delete 1 Part clikits008 Trans-Dark Pink Clikits Bead, Ring Thick Small Double with 2 Pins (match ID 2)
* Change 1 Part {Dark Pink to Magenta} clikits001 Clikits Icon, Heart 2 x 2 Large with Pin
* Change 1 Part {Light Blue to Sky Blue} clikits006 Clikits Icon, Star 2 x 2 Large with Pin
* Change 1 Part {Medium Orange to Trans-Light Orange} clikits081 Clikits Flexy Film, Flower 10 Petals 4 x 4 with Raised Border
* Change 1 Part Trans-Pink clikits040 Clikits Cord, Jelly String with 2 Caps - 170mm - top attachment {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 1 to 0}
* Change 1 Part Trans-Pink clikits008 Clikits Bead, Ring Thick Small Double with 2 Pins {Alternate to Regular} {match ID 2 to 0}
Comments from Submitter:
From sealed set contents.
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Jul 8, 2019 18:48 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 7531-1 | | Viewed: | 20 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, axaday writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part clikits018 Trans-Dark Pink Clikits Cord, Jelly String with 2 Caps - 375mm - top attachment (Alternate) (match ID 1)
* Change 1 Part Trans-Pink clikits018 Clikits Cord, Jelly String with 2 Caps - 375mm - top attachment {match ID 0 to 1}
Comments from Submitter:
My set contained dark. Much too late for a sealed pic, but I've had it under control since opening it.
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The set probably always contained Trans-Dark Pink. Since your set was sealed
and the original inventory has had so many problems corrected in it over time,
I think I will remove the Trans-Pink one altogether. If a Trans-Pink one is ever
found in the future, we can add it back in.
Cheers,
Randy
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