Redisplay Messages: Compact | Brief | All | Full Show Messages: All | Without Replies| Author: | SylvainLS  | | Posted: | Apr 17, 2019 08:59 | | Subject: | Re: Lengths in “L” and 18654 | | Viewed: | 19 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
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Yeah, so why call this a pin 1/2 ... […]
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Because there’s no constistence to the catalogue?
| | Personally, I'd go with a naming convention of the form:
Pin 2L (with friction ridges) and Stop Bush 1L.
So a normal pin would be a pin 2L, a half pin would be a pin 1L, and so on. Anything
with four half pins would be "with 4 pins 1L" and so on.
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Okay… provided we agree on what a “L” is and out-of-system dimensions like “2/3
L” are verified before being accepted in the catalogue  
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Apr 17, 2019 08:32 | | Subject: | Re: Lengths in “L” and 18654 | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, randyf writes:
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My point was that if you categorize it as a bushing, you don't need to worry
about the length of it at all. You don't see the axle bushing above listed
as a "Technic Bush 1L". It is just "Technic Bush". So change that one to "Technic
Axle Bush" and
to "Technic Pin Bush" and problem solved. No need to worry about the length at
all. Like I said, it doesn't and can't connect pins or axles at all,
so it is definitely *not* a "Technic, Pin Connector". And that's a fact.
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Simple solution indeed.
No wonder you’re, er, should be, paid the big bucks
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Apr 17, 2019 08:30 | | Subject: | Re: Lengths in “L” and 18654 | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | | | No. A "pin" is the standard Technic pin. Basically, half of
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Why half of it? And if it was half of it, shouldn't that one be named a "double
pin". […]
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But
has only one pin, or is the other half considered hidden inside the brick?
And
and the like are “pin”s, not “half-pin”s and there’s no room for a hidden second
half.
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Apr 17, 2019 07:25 | | Subject: | Re: Lengths in “L” and 18654 | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, dkillgore writes:
| | So is a "pin" the same as a "stud"?
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No. A "pin" is the standard Technic pin. Basically, half of
A "stud" is the standard connection point on the top of LEGO bricks and plates.
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Yes, and wes say “stud” for the distance between the centers of two studs / the
width of 1-stud-wide brick or plate.
| | | | Example, part 2817 is a modified plate, 2 x 2 with pin holder
and it is possible to attach a stud of say a 1x4 in the pin holder to do a perpendicular
build. Is the cuff for attachment too shallow on the 18654 to, say, do a reversal?
Just asking or future buying and building
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You can do a stud reversal with
just like with any other thick Technic liftarm since they are the same thickness.
Part 18654 is pretty much just a thick 1L Technic liftarm.
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Exactly, “BEAM 1X1” is its LEGO name.
And about puting studs in technic holes, note that a technic hole is slightly
smaller than a stud (the actual round peg), and if you attach more than one stud
to technic holes, the force needed to remove them once inserted is too strong
for a 7-year-old child. That’s why LEGO say it’s “illegal” to connect more than
one stud to technic holes.
Also, note that a technic hole is also slightly higher than a side-stud on the
modified bricks. So you shan’t mix bricks with side studs and technic bricks
with half-pins (though some official builds do).
And you shan’t have overhanging bricks on top of the technic brick. Like on
the picture below, the red plate shan’t be placed over the tan plates. (Yes,
some official builds do that too.)
And while we are talking about SNOT building, be careful with logos, they really
push the bricks that want to lay on them (second picture, if the blue brick had
studs, the red brick wouldn’t be able to attach correctly to the tan headlight
brick, and would be pushed upward by the stud).
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Apr 16, 2019 19:49 | | Subject: | Lengths in “L” and 18654 | | Viewed: | 120 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
| I’m wondering what’s the rationale for having changed the name (and dimensions)
of
from “1 L” to “2/3 L”.
I can’t see where it’s 0.67L.
Especially if I compare it to
and their variants, or with
and other liftarms/beams, or all the connectors with “# L” in their descriptions.
In the same way, its new dimensions are 1 x 1 x 0.67. As it’s a cylinder, it
means the 0.67 is supposed to apply to its height. But its height is exactly
1 stud, which is 5/6th = 0.83 brick, not 2/3rd = 0.67, and, anyway, “L” means
stud, not brick, so 1 = 1.
Therefore, I strongly believe its name should have stayed “Technic, Pin Connector
Round 1 L” and its dimensions should be 1 x 1 x 0.83.
(Actually, its diameter is a shy less than 1 stud, so its dimensions should be
0.9something x 0.9something x 0.83 but all the liftarms have the same width and
are said to be 1 stud wide.)
Not filing a proper catalogue change request because I really would want to know
the reasoning here, not play ping-pong.
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Apr 14, 2019 12:35 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 70620-1 | | Viewed: | 12 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, 1977_mauro writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 61184 Light Bluish Gray Technic, Pin 1/2 with 2L Bar Extension (Flick Missile) (Extra)
Comments from Submitter:
I assume, someone has inventorized 4 x 87994 additional light bluish bars (1 to much by mistake) instead of adding one additional light bluish flick missile. Both are looking similar to each other.
(I think that the 4 bars should be reduced to 3 as well)
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It’s not a mistake, I also got 9 (5+4) 87994 and 8 (8+0) 61184.
Extras are just that, extras, you are not assured to get them, and they can change
with production runs.
So, to be clear, your extra 61184 can be added but the 87994 you didn’t get should
stay.
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Apr 13, 2019 12:12 | | Subject: | Re: Grays & Browns | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
| In Colors, uticabrix writes:
| | I am having trouble with brown vs Reddish brown, and also light grey vs light
bluesish gray. Does anyone have any suggestions how to identify which is what?
Are these current colors with Lego?
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There was a “Great Colour Shift” around 2004.
The main colours that were replaced were Light and Dark Grays, and Brown, but
the other colours were also slightly modified.
LBG, DBG, and Reddish Brown are the current colours since then.
As for the difference, you need to look at your parts in daylight or with a daylight
tinted lightbulb. The old greys are yellowish/kaki (hence the newer ones looking
bluish in comparison whereas they are actually nearer “true” grey).
The best way is to keep at hand parts of which you are certain of the colours.
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Apr 9, 2019 19:26 | | Subject: | Re: inconsistencies | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, dkillgore writes:
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| | Against.
I don’t know why “jumper” was chosen. The similarity with electrical jumpers
(little wires that “jump” over the main circuits, or little thingies to connect
two plots) is tenuous: yes it’s a connector but everything connects in LEGO.
But I believe “jumper” can be taken to mean that the connection “jumps” half
a stud.
Anyway, “jumper” is well engraved as meaning “offset stud” which the missing-studs
plates and having-studs tiles don’t have.
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Sylvain, your previous thread-joint reply was appreciated! A Programmer-based
deficiency for sure...
So, truly, what we all need to consider is this:
Is BrickLink, as the premier site for those who have, maybe for the first time,
visited Lego.com to complete sets or begin their life-long passion as a creator
of MOC, or to find long sought after sets from days they remember, to base our
catalogue on Lego.com nomenclature and numbering system to be:
"Buyer Focused" so that they can jump-start their search based on item classifications
and numbers they found off of a set they own or want to recreate...Or, maybe,
just maybe, even more Intuitive! Now that would be something.
Or, wanting to determine the number of categories and number/images to make it
easy to store and access for those selling to pick from to be:
"Seller Focused"
My guess is that there are a lot more first-time potential buyers registering
on here and trying to make sense of what we are doing than long-term hobbyists.
I am always aware of what we may be losing in customer base. Just have a heart
for the ones that you never hear from on the Forum who just can't make sense
of it all...
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Indeed. But what I’m against, and I wasn’t clear, is the use of the term “jumper”
for a tile with studs + plate without studs category.
For me, “jumper” is specific to 3794 (and its variants) and then to 87580 and
then to 34103. That’s only 3 (or 5) parts.
All tiles and plates could well be in a unique category (like they mostly are
in LDraw or LDD) but I don’t want it called “jumper” 
The problem verily lies within the strict category system, the lack of a parallel
tag system or at least the possibility for a part to appear in more than one
category.
With such a system, either you have a system that plans for anything and everything,
and you end up with the Dewey Decimal Classification for books, that no one understands
but specialists, or you have a system that needs to change with new elements
or better knowledge on the elements, like Linné’s taxonomy of living beings,
and, well, that no one understands but specialists either 
Either way, there’s still a need for a simple way, both for the hoi polloi and
the elite actually, to find a part, or a group of similar parts (whatever “similar”
might mean), in a few clicks.
In a library, the Dewey DC (or another similar system) is used for numbering
the books and the shelves but a patron just needs to talk to a librarian or use
a search tool to find the book they want, they don’t need to know the DDC. And
if a patron browses an alley, they will see similar books, but they won’t see,
for instance, all the books written by the same author if these fall under different
domains.
In a virtual system, like BL, the “patron” can be presented with an “alley” containing
all the plates, or all the parts with pins, or all the 2x2 parts….
In short, what I’m trying to say is you can twist a category system in all the
ways you want, you will still need knowledge to use it, it will still be for
the specialists. To allow newbies to use it, you need a librarian, and this
website should be one.
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Apr 9, 2019 17:21 | | Subject: | Re: inconsistencies | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, WoutR writes:
| | In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | In other words there is a mess which will be hard to clarify
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Keep it simple. A tile does not have studs. So if it has studs, then it is a
plate.
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That's how I see things, also, but we will have to hold off on this debate
for a bit until Marek and I can get our plates cleared off to focus on catalog
projects again.[…]
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Well done
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Apr 9, 2019 16:06 | | Subject: | Re: inconsistencies | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, dkillgore writes:
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Just going to put this out there and wait for the bashing,
Why not put them in both categories?
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The database won’t allow it.
A part can only be in one category.
Because they are “categories,” not “tags.”
A tag system was asked for, many times.
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Apr 9, 2019 15:19 | | Subject: | Re: inconsistencies | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, axaday writes:
| | In Catalog, RecycledBrick writes:
| | I would like to see the Tile Modified ones that have studs moved to Plate Modified.
I vote yes.
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I am torn. I feel like having studs is characteristic of the plate and not having
studs is characteristic of the tile. Is it possible to have a new category specifically
for tiles that have some studs and plates that have some flat space? The most
obvious (to me) name for the category would be Jumpers, but I don't really
know how that word came to be used the way Lego uses it.
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Against.
I don’t know why “jumper” was chosen. The similarity with electrical jumpers
(little wires that “jump” over the main circuits, or little thingies to connect
two plots) is tenuous: yes it’s a connector but everything connects in LEGO.
But I believe “jumper” can be taken to mean that the connection “jumps” half
a stud.
Anyway, “jumper” is well engraved as meaning “offset stud” which the missing-studs
plates and having-studs tiles don’t have.
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Apr 9, 2019 14:27 | | Subject: | Re: inconsistencies | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, Hygrotus writes:
| | In Catalog, Teup writes:
| | Either
way, if you don't have principal characteristics of what constitutes a tile
or plate (for example groove = tile), any classification is going to be inconsistent
and a matter of opinion.
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I like this sentence.
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Me too.
Well, except for the example, as there are plates with grooves
and tiles/plates variants with and without groove
(And the jumpers too….)
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Apr 8, 2019 12:37 | | Subject: | Re: Keffiyeh vs Turban | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, bje writes:
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Wish
I could read Proust, Balzac, Littel and few others in original French.
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Me too
(I lack the courage.)
| | | | Bicorne = two horns
There are tricorne hats too (three horns).
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Horny hats will be even more difficult to remember, it is not a concept I usually
associate with hats or caps.
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Well, I’m sure there’s peacockery somewhere (bad, bad pun) but “corne” is a common
term in French for angled/folded —wait for it— corners!
Yes the English “corner” is about horns too
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Apr 8, 2019 11:56 | | Subject: | Re: Keffiyeh vs Turban | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, bje writes:
| | You want to try and remember bicorne - usually I have to search through pirates
minifigs to get that %^^$%@ name.
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I’ll excuse your French as it so happens that “%^^$%@” could indeed be replaced
by “French”.
Bicorne = two horns
There are tricorne hats too (three horns).
| | You might want to bookmark this page. It at
least gives the starting point names of some hat/headdress styles with images,
since I can never remember any of them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hat
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You’ll note that on that page, keffiyeh is spelled keffiyah.
(While the wiktionary lists kaffiyah, kufiya, and kufiyah as alternative spellings,
but not keffiyah.)
Finding it through Prince of Persia minifigures might be quicker than searching
the wikipedia page then trying all the possible spellings
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Apr 8, 2019 10:11 | | Subject: | Re: inconsistencies | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, edk writes:
| | why is a plate modified when is a tile modified?
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I’d have said it’s the number of studs (or ratio). Something like 50%+1 of studs
missing means it’s a tile, but some “tiles” have 50% of their studs and some
“plates” have less than 50% of their studs.
Plates:
(and variants)
(and variant)
Tiles:
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Apr 5, 2019 07:14 | | Subject: | Re: Grouping Parts | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, JusTiCe8 writes:
| | Studio already include submodels.
Select parts, create submodel, that's it.
You can alway break one to update it, then recreate the submodel back again.
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You can edit submodels without “breaking” them (“release” in Studio’s terms).
You can nest submodels (make a hierarchy of them), copy/paste them as if they
were just big parts, and many other things.
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Apr 2, 2019 13:18 | | Subject: | Re: Old (classic) light gray | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
| In Colors, legoman_74 writes:
| | Fully discolored as in uniform all around including underneath? I wondered if
pieces become discolored from other reasons other than direct sunlight. Any ideas
what causes this? From your scenario, it almost sounds like "batch" issues as
some in storage discolored while others did not.
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There’s one reason for discolaration: degradation.
(And plastics degrade differently depending on their compositions, as we all
know because we all heard about the pre-2004 fire retardants that are often incriminated.)
But there are several reasons for degradation: UV, humidity, temperature, and
undoubtedly others.
The UV to which LEGO pieces are exposed generally come from the sunlight. And
as they are light, by definition they don’t hit in the shadow. So their effects,
besides being strong on some plastics, are easily noticed.
As for your parts, they may be from different batches. But their difference
in colour might not have been noticeable when they were brand new. They might
also have aged differently because of their composition. Or they may be like
other bricks in composition but still have aged differently because they weren’t
stored like others.
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Mar 30, 2019 21:34 | | Subject: | Re: List of known part-color-combinations | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, mfav writes:
| | From the color search popup on the search page:
[… list of colours …]
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Simpler: https://www.bricklink.com/catalogDownload.asp , and choose “Colors”.
But OP wants parts too. So, on the same page, select “Part and Color Codes”.
That’s the table of (Part+Color) = LEGO’s ElementID (the code shown in the BoM
in official instructions).
That’s not a complete list but it’s pretty long (45000+ elements I believe).
(If there’s a code, then the part obviously exists or existed.)
Or you open the “Color Guide” https://www.bricklink.com/catalogColors.asp and
parse all the pages linked under the column “Parts”.
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Mar 27, 2019 22:47 | | Subject: | Re: Welcome our new administrator! | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
| | We have some great news for our catalog contributors - we have promoted Hygrotus,
one of our current Inventories Administrators to a new position, Catalog Associate:
[…]
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Congrats Marek!
I hope you won’t take the opportunity to add chitinous “parts” to the catalogue
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2019 16:16 | | Subject: | Re: Ghost Buy feature from sellers own store | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, mgiglio writes:
| | This is the problem exactly. Even if you have the expertise to create the XML
file, once you apply it, those parts are sitting in limbo in your physical storage
and you don't know they exist because they've been removed from your
inventory!
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You have an inventory for them: They are in a Wanted List.
Phisically, either you just picked them first and want to update your inventory,
or you just updated your inventory and are going to pick them pronto.
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Mar 21, 2019 15:38 | | Subject: | Re: Ghost Buy feature from sellers own store | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, RecycledBrick writes:
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Can I take a wanted list and convert to an XML file. Will that file remove the
pieces from my store and give me the locations that they are in my store? Because
it isn't just about removing the pieces from my store inventory it is giving
me the locations that those pieces are in my store like an order placed does.
I want something that looks like below that gives the locations.
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I believe you can.
Download your Wanted List.
Edit it in a dumb editor (like Notepad, not Word).
Replace all “MINQTY” with “QTY”.
If you want to add a minus sign, first replace “MINQTY»” with “QTY»-” (with a
single chevron / greater than instead of »).
That should work.
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Mar 20, 2019 18:35 | | Subject: | Re: Studio QOL things | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, mroosa writes:
| | I love using studio and its been a great help, but there are some Quality of
Life changes I would like to suggest. I didn't see a specific forum for the
program,
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http://forum.bricklink.com
See the red Studio icon up there? Hover over it, there’s a direct link to it
named “Builder Forum”.
| | so I hope posting here is OK.[…]
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Mar 20, 2019 12:08 | | Subject: | Re: Tan 16X32 baseplates different shade? | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
| In Colors, crazylegoman writes:
| | In Colors, Ricardo_Penguin writes:
| | I have this set with the 16x32-
And I also have a 32x32 one from the Lego Store I got last year.
Putting them side-by-side, the 16x32 one is darker compared to the 32x32 one.
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Interesting... That makes it seem that TLC has been making the tan 16X32s differently
than the 32X32s for every production run.
My other colors of 16X32 BP (green, blue, light gray) match the color of their
32X32 counterparts. Oh well, just another unsolved mystery in TLC's manufacturing
process.
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Wasn’t Tan impacted by the Great Colour Shift?
If there were more “old Tan” 16x32 in stock, they would have been used alongside
“new Tan” 32x32.
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Mar 11, 2019 09:28 | | Subject: | Re: Helmet 90392pb01 metallic gold or tan? | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
| In Colors, crepundi writes:
| | I have a question about part
Under known colours it is listed in black and metallic gold. I have this part,
but in fact it is not metallic gold but tan (inside) and the outside is only
printed metallic gold. Is this the regular version that shoul be listed under
metallic gold?
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I’d say it’s the regular version: Metallic Gold isn’t a plastic colour, it’s
coated on another colour (generally Tan).
On the other hand, I thought the coating always cover all the part’s surface
(but I don’t have many parts in MG, and none hollow/concave like a hat/helmet).
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Mar 8, 2019 07:27 | | Subject: | Re: How should i name this set? | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
| In Catalog, popsicle writes:
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| | Timeo hominem unius movie.
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I can see a contemporary Thomas Aquinas type applying that statement to movies,
today...and they'd be dead wrong, saintly or not
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There are two meanings for the statement. One of them being “I wouldn’t want
that movie to be the topic when playing Jeopardy against that guy”
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