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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:

The next catalog project

I apologize that this group of projects has not gone so well. I will not bundle
so many projects together in the future. Here's the status of each project
as of the moment:

Reorganizing dual-colored molded arms.

Yes. This will happen soon.

Adding individual Technic figure parts.

Yes. This has already happened - it was just a policy change. Members
who wanted it may submit catalog entries (although they haven't yet).

Splitting decorated/non-decorated minifigure legs.

Maybe. I need to understand if this will cause unforeseen problems. It
is the only project on the list which I am still uncertain about.

Adding individual decorated hips and legs.

No. This will not happen.

Changing titles of certain dual-sided heads to reflect this fact and splitting
heads into single-side print and dual-side print categories.

No. This will not happen. We could not reach any consensus on the best
path to take here and I'm not entirely convinced that the benefits would
justify the effort.

Reorganizing/renumbering certain mini doll legs to reflect a change in production
methods.

No. This will not happen, or at least not in the near future. I have
added a paragraph to this page explaining the issue (third paragraph down):

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=940

At the least, though, we are officially recognizing the issue by including it
on that page. The issue with differences in production processes could
be addressed in the future when we get some sort of plan together to deal with
all the part variants which still need attention.

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axaday

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Nov 11, 2018 17:13

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Re: Fourth Catalog Project Underway

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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:

I have [m=tech011] in my childhood collection. What can I take apart safely?

Author:

axaday

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Nov 11, 2018 16:32

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I like that word "reversible"

In Catalog, mfav writes:

In Catalog, StormChaser writes:

In Catalog, mfav writes:

This sub thread is kind of getting out of control.

I don't know about all that, but it certainly doesn't seem like we're
making much progress on this project.

I didn't phrase it well. That's kind of what I meant. Not to dampen any
enthusiasm, but seemed to be spinning wheels.

There is no way to do a global find-and-replace because these parts aren't
currently identified other than by picture.

...that's part of the issue, but not necessarily something that can't
be overcome if you have direct access to the database...

And I can't perform those kinds
of actions anyway.

This is what I'm wanting to find out. I guess you're restricted to performing
the updates via an html form instead of going in via Navicat or something
like that.

The person who originally asked for this never gave me an
idea of how many heads it would affect, so I guess someone still needs to go
through the heads section and get an idea (or a list together) of how many heads
have non-face dual-sided printing.

I have that here:
http://www.v4ei.com/mini-fig-ure-outer/renameheads.html
It is entirely possible and likely I've missed a few.

I think these are the various types:

- single-side printed faces
- dual-side printed (reversible) faces
- dual-side printed face/back of head

- single-side printed NOT faces (non-head heads)
- dual-side printed NOT faces (non-head heads)

- then there's an Ultron head that doesn't have a face as far as I can
tell, and maybe a couple robot heads that are heads but are decorated with something
obtuse like a lightning bolt or zigzag or circuitry pattern. These half-dozen
or so provide a challenge to categorize or label such that they might be found
as a group. Non-standard facial attribute heads.

These are questions:

1. Do the non-head heads get moved out of the heads section? They are piece 3626*,
but they technically are NOT minifig heads.

2. Do the non-head heads get left in the heads section and get a special label
to make them discoverable as a group?

3. Both types of the dual-side printed heads are dual-side printed, so I see
no benefit to changing that language. The differentiator as I see it is the nature
of the head, and that is that some have reversible faces and the others do not.
While it will be far more labor to label the several hundred reversible-face
items than to label the hundred-plus not-reversible heads, to my mind labeling
the reversible-face items as "reversible face" or similar makes the necessary
and cognitively relevant distinction to isolate those as a group. So do the non-reversible
heads need a different label to distinguish them as a group?

Currently most of the reversible-face heads are labeled as "dual sided" and mostly
the dual-sided non-reversible face heads are not. And some reversible-face heads
are also not labeled as dual-sided. Given that, I can't fathom a way that
this project gets done without individually inspecting all 2600-plus records.

If all records must be inspected individually, then do all get edited such that
each carries one of the five type labels as suggested above?

Author:

ParisianStore

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Nov 11, 2018 16:16

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Re: Wondering if part 53588 exists - want to buy

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Hi,

Here are mine, I guess we we can consider both as marbled, even if one them has
no orange.

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mfav

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Nov 11, 2018 16:04

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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:

In Catalog, mfav writes:

This sub thread is kind of getting out of control.

I don't know about all that, but it certainly doesn't seem like we're
making much progress on this project.

I didn't phrase it well. That's kind of what I meant. Not to dampen any
enthusiasm, but seemed to be spinning wheels.

There is no way to do a global find-and-replace because these parts aren't
currently identified other than by picture.

...that's part of the issue, but not necessarily something that can't
be overcome if you have direct access to the database...

And I can't perform those kinds
of actions anyway.

This is what I'm wanting to find out. I guess you're restricted to performing
the updates via an html form instead of going in via Navicat or something
like that.

Author:

StormChaser

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Nov 11, 2018 14:33

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Re: Fourth Catalog Project Underway

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In Catalog, mfav writes:

This sub thread is kind of getting out of control.

I don't know about all that, but it certainly doesn't seem like we're
making much progress on this project. I think I may have bundled too many sub-projects
together, so this knowledge will be helpful for me when planning future projects.

Let me ask a practical question. Is this data such that you can access it and
run a global find-and-replace, or do you have to edit all these entries one at
a time?

There is no way to do a global find-and-replace because these parts aren't
currently identified other than by picture. And I can't perform those kinds
of actions anyway. The person who originally asked for this never gave me an
idea of how many heads it would affect, so I guess someone still needs to go
through the heads section and get an idea (or a list together) of how many heads
have non-face dual-sided printing.

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mfav

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Nov 11, 2018 12:19

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Re: Fourth Catalog Project Underway

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This sub thread is kind of getting out of control.

Let me ask a practical question. Is this data such that you can access it and
run a global find-and-replace, or do you have to edit all these entries one at
a time?

Author:

WoutR

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Nov 11, 2018 11:38

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Re: Fourth Catalog Project Underway

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I would use something like:

Print on one side only:
"with X pattern"

Print on both sides:
"with X pattern on front and Y pattern on back"
or maybe
"dual-sided with X pattern on front and Y pattern on back"
because that makes it possible to use a search filter.

Face print on both sides:
"dual-faced with X pattern on front and Y pattern on back"

Author:

randyf

Posted:

Nov 11, 2018 09:51

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Re: Fourth Catalog Project Underway

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In Catalog, axaday writes:

In Catalog, randyf writes:

In Catalog, WoutR writes:

In Catalog, axaday writes:

In Catalog, StormChaser writes:

In Catalog, axaday writes:

So is there anything you want us to help with?

Not so much at the moment. The catalog is open now to Technic figure parts,
but no entries have been submitted. I'm still looking over the dual-color
molded arms to see how all this is going to work and still thinking about the
other changes.

If you'd like to do something, help me think up a good, brief descriptor
for heads with non-face printing on both sides. I've only gotten one suggestion
so far.

I think a contributing problem is that Dual-Sided is ambiguous. It could be used
for either. Maybe it should be changed to Dual-Faces.

I am also thinking about something like "dual-faced".

Redefining the term "dual-sided" at this point in time would *not* be a good
thing for many reasons. Adding a new third term would be much, much preferable.

Randy

That was what I was saying. I already suggested Front&Back for the ones with
back prints. But I would get rid of "Dual-Sided" entirely since it really sounds
like either one. Replace it with something more specific.

What I am saying is that I disagree with your suggestion, although I do understand
the reasoning. What I am saying is that getting rid of the term "dual-sided"
or changing "dual-sided" to "dual-faced" would *not* be a good thing since the
term "dual-sided" has been in use for a long time and is already ingrained in
the collective consciousness. I just want a new third term added to those heads
that have a face on one side and something else on the other. However, I am willing
to go along with whatever the majority decides in the end.

Cheers,
Randy

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axaday

Posted:

Nov 11, 2018 09:38

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Re: Fourth Catalog Project Underway

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