Redisplay Messages: Compact | Brief | All | Full Show Messages: All | Without Replies| Author: | yorbrick  | | Posted: | Aug 31, 2018 15:53 | | Subject: | Re: New parameter for lots: max per buyer | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, DeLuca writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, danielclark writes:
| | I'd be less inclined to shop in a store that restricts how much of an item
I could buy, especially if I could see they had more. When I search for parts
it's by highest quantity for my most desired elements. If a store is going
to retain some inventory then it's going to show further down on that list.
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I agree, you should not see it. It would work exactly the same as the stockroom
currently works: You don't see what's back there that you cannot order.
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The full quantity of a given item would not be visible on the item's Catalog
entry, but would it be visible on the item's entry in the store? It
is my understanding that it would, hence my concerns.
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No, it should not be visible anywhere, just like a stockroom items is not visible.
If I have a lot of 5000 but limit it to 500 per buyer, it should show as a 500
size lot everywhere on Bricklink.
I intended it as a more automated version of the current way to do the same thing,
listing 500, switching on "retain" and writing "4500 left" in the remarks.
I agree it would be annoying to see things you couldn't buy.
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There is a small downside that if a buyer places an order for 500, then happens
to browse the store again while not logged in, then they see that more stock
is available. So they log in and the stock is no longer available to them as
they have a current order.
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It would take more than just a few changes. For instance, if you set a max of
100 per customer, and someone buys 100, when would your shop show 100 in inventory
again? If it gets shown right away (assuming you have enough set up), the customer
would see another 100, and could potentially add them to his existing order.
If you expect BL to block this particular customer from seeing the new lot, when
would this "lock" be lifted? At payment time? After shipping? Maybe never? Or
do you accept them being able to see the new 100 and do an order addition, thus
being able to buy them all in several order additions?
There would be quite a few checks etc needed, with many options for fringe cases
messing things up.
I do appreciate the idea, but I don't think it would be easy to implement.
Niek.
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It isn't my idea. But I think teup has replied to the same question already
- I think he wrote once the order is marked as shipped or packed or similar.
Presumably once the order cannot be added to, so that any new purchase comes
in as a second order.
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| Author: | qwertyboy | | Posted: | Aug 31, 2018 13:56 | | Subject: | Re: New parameter for lots: max per buyer | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, DeLuca writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, danielclark writes:
| | I'd be less inclined to shop in a store that restricts how much of an item
I could buy, especially if I could see they had more. When I search for parts
it's by highest quantity for my most desired elements. If a store is going
to retain some inventory then it's going to show further down on that list.
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I agree, you should not see it. It would work exactly the same as the stockroom
currently works: You don't see what's back there that you cannot order.
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The full quantity of a given item would not be visible on the item's Catalog
entry, but would it be visible on the item's entry in the store? It
is my understanding that it would, hence my concerns.
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No, it should not be visible anywhere, just like a stockroom items is not visible.
If I have a lot of 5000 but limit it to 500 per buyer, it should show as a 500
size lot everywhere on Bricklink.
I intended it as a more automated version of the current way to do the same thing,
listing 500, switching on "retain" and writing "4500 left" in the remarks.
I agree it would be annoying to see things you couldn't buy.
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There is a small downside that if a buyer places an order for 500, then happens
to browse the store again while not logged in, then they see that more stock
is available. So they log in and the stock is no longer available to them as
they have a current order.
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It would take more than just a few changes. For instance, if you set a max of
100 per customer, and someone buys 100, when would your shop show 100 in inventory
again? If it gets shown right away (assuming you have enough set up), the customer
would see another 100, and could potentially add them to his existing order.
If you expect BL to block this particular customer from seeing the new lot, when
would this "lock" be lifted? At payment time? After shipping? Maybe never? Or
do you accept them being able to see the new 100 and do an order addition, thus
being able to buy them all in several order additions?
There would be quite a few checks etc needed, with many options for fringe cases
messing things up.
I do appreciate the idea, but I don't think it would be easy to implement.
Niek.
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| Author: | Bricklord | | Posted: | Aug 31, 2018 12:55 | | Subject: | Re: New parameter for lots: max per buyer | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I fully support this; it is years overdue as an option for a seller to have in
their store.
What also needs to be implemented is the option for a seller to refuse to allow
buyers to add to an existing order. No more batches, any further ordering comes
in as a separate order. Far, far simpler and easier for sellers to process and
fill. Shipping multiple orders together is not a problem, it is the filling and
process of the orders that requires these to be implemented. The current lack
of is a gross deficiency that must be rectified.
Bricklord
In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | I would really like to see a new parameter for lots that limits the amount a
buyer can buy of a certain part in any one order. The part would then turn up
in search results and in store inventory showing not more than the value specified.
It's something that many online stores use, notably also LEGO themselves.
So far the way to do this is to offer the desired max amount, put in remarks
how much is left, and put the item on retain. This has several drawbacks, most
of all:
- You have to manually reoffer and modify the remarks all the time
- You cannot see or accurately modify the price and other stats of your inventory
because part of the amount of what you have is hidden in remarks
This could all be solved by 1 simple extra field, that is left on 0 when unused.
Of course, the item should not appear updated for users that still have an order
that has not yet reached the packed status. Of course buyers can buy again after
that, but separate shipping and handling fees should be sufficient to bar the
effect of buyers blowing sudden holes in your inventory.
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Aug 31, 2018 06:31 | | Subject: | Re: New parameter for lots: max per buyer | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | You're right about that. Though I don't think it's really a problem
that the quanitity would change - right now prices also change when you log in,
because of currencies and taxes.
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Yes, I don't mind prices changing as the base currency does that. But here,
a buyer would see a store has been and still is purposely stopping a buyer from
buying something in their inventory. I'd find that annoying, especially if
I originally wanted to buy more and end up having to place another order with
either the same seller or a different seller when it could have been possible
beforehand if the seller had not hidden that inventory.
Of course, exactly the same can happen now, it is just not so instant that the
extra inventory appears available to others as soon as you checkout but not available
to you via a second batch.
If a seller wants to stop buyers from buying all their inventory, I think I prefer
it when they list say 100 at their real price and the rest of their inventory
of that part at a higher price. At least that way a buyer can decide to pay a
bit more if they are after a lot of the item. Although I know some people hate
this and complain that a seller has two different prices for the same part.
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| Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Aug 31, 2018 05:32 | | Subject: | Re: New parameter for lots: max per buyer | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, enig writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | I would really like to see a new parameter for lots that limits the amount a
buyer can buy of a certain part in any one order. The part would then turn up
in search results and in store inventory showing not more than the value specified.
It's something that many online stores use, notably also LEGO themselves.
So far the way to do this is to offer the desired max amount, put in remarks
how much is left, and put the item on retain. This has several drawbacks, most
of all:
- You have to manually reoffer and modify the remarks all the time
- You cannot see or accurately modify the price and other stats of your inventory
because part of the amount of what you have is hidden in remarks
This could all be solved by 1 simple extra field, that is left on 0 when unused.
Of course, the item should not appear updated for users that still have an order
that has not yet reached the packed status. Of course buyers can buy again after
that, but separate shipping and handling fees should be sufficient to bar the
effect of buyers blowing sudden holes in your inventory.
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I like the idea. I really do and it would be super useful. But just as with many
things - it works well if sellers use it for the actual purpose that you have
outlined here. If it starts to be abused it would have a potential to ruin many
things.
What would stop sellers from creating a new lot for every single item they sell
and set it to 0.01 , (higher for the more expensive stuff ofc) to work as a form
of an advertisement. Now they have all the listings at the top. Imagine 15 sellers
doing that. 50 sellers?
That would also mess up the avg listed prices, as well as 6 month avg since some
of these would actually sell.
Just look at the superlot listings of CMF's. Averages become useless. Average
prices for the most part actually are useless anyway.. but try explaining
that to a customer.
Would this trick actually help and generate some sales for these sellers? Probably
not a lot, of at all. A little more elaborate usage, however, probably would.
Heck, I myself would gladly give away a couple EUR worth of cheap parts for free
that every single seller has an over-stock of anyway, if it also helped to make
a sale of other items that are priced well.
Ever went to a supermarket just to get that awesome deal that you saw
in an advertisement?  And came back with a trunk-full of stuff? Oh yes.
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You have some good points and I agree they need to be addressed in some way should
this feature ever make it to implementation. You're right the priceguide
for current listings would appear lower but maybe the by-quantity priceguide
would be OK. Maybe there should also be a minimum quantity, although then it
quickly becomes tricky where to draw the line, and expensive items like minifigs
should be OK to list just 1 of.
However, while these issues are real, do keep in mind it's already possible
to do this, but just manually by using remarks and retain. So it won't be
a 100% new mechanic, just something that exists but will become more prominent.
And people who are blessed with understanding of the obscure BL API or who are
developing third party tools may already make this feature available by supporting
certain tags in the remarks field.
I agree with you that these are issues that need to be remedied somehow, either
by accomodating to the effects it causes or by limiting excessive use. Either
way I think it's really worth solving that, because the benefits can be pretty
great - sellers could get more sales and buyers could find more complete inventories
as well as lower prices, if the lots are protected against instant buy-outs.
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Another downside is that it would be a good way of hiding how much inventory
is really out there. Someone could have a lot of an apparently rare part and
would crash the market if they listed it all. Yet if they list it with a maximum
of 10, then there appears to be little stock available. Of course, this can be
done manually but have an automatic tool to do it will make it much more simple.
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