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 Author: SezaR View Messages Posted By SezaR
 Posted: Apr 17, 2018 22:33
 Subject: Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 926-1
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I then really need to travel to the past and speak to one of manager of TLG in
late 70s.
Once I do this, many issues on inventories would be resolved.


In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
  In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
  7816 from 1980.

  
  I haven't looked myself, but can anyone find an example of a brand new set
from this time period showing that the set contained an un-stickered torso assembly
and one of the sticker sheets?

I'm sorry, I should have been more specific. I'm interested in videos
or photos of a new space set which included the space figures and sticker sheets
we're discussing.
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
 Posted: Apr 17, 2018 14:48
 Subject: Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 926-1
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In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
  7816 from 1980.

  
  I haven't looked myself, but can anyone find an example of a brand new set
from this time period showing that the set contained an un-stickered torso assembly
and one of the sticker sheets?

I'm sorry, I should have been more specific. I'm interested in videos
or photos of a new space set which included the space figures and sticker sheets
we're discussing.
 Author: SezaR View Messages Posted By SezaR
 Posted: Apr 17, 2018 14:45
 Subject: Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 926-1
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7816 from 1980.


In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
  In Inventories Requests, paulvdb writes:
  I know I had some of these stickered minifigs when I was a child. Of course these
sets are around 40 years old so I don't remember the exact details, but as
far as I remember some sets came with plain red or white torsos and sticker sheets
with the torso stickers.

Based on Bricklink inventory guidelines I guess this means that stickered minifigs
should be added as counterparts and minifigs with plain red and white torsos
should be added as alternates for the minifigs with printed torsos.

That is what I was suspecting should happen for classic space sets with stickered
minifigures and I believe Stefaan agrees with you. In other words, I rather
doubted that the stickered figures came in sealed sets from the LEGO factory
with the stickers pre-applied. It could happen, but I don't know of many
other times that has happened.

I haven't looked myself, but can anyone find an example of a brand new set
from this time period showing that the set contained an un-stickered torso assembly
and one of the sticker sheets?
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
 Posted: Apr 17, 2018 14:14
 Subject: Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 926-1
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In Inventories Requests, paulvdb writes:
  I know I had some of these stickered minifigs when I was a child. Of course these
sets are around 40 years old so I don't remember the exact details, but as
far as I remember some sets came with plain red or white torsos and sticker sheets
with the torso stickers.

Based on Bricklink inventory guidelines I guess this means that stickered minifigs
should be added as counterparts and minifigs with plain red and white torsos
should be added as alternates for the minifigs with printed torsos.

That is what I was suspecting should happen for classic space sets with stickered
minifigures and I believe Stefaan agrees with you. In other words, I rather
doubted that the stickered figures came in sealed sets from the LEGO factory
with the stickers pre-applied. It could happen, but I don't know of many
other times that has happened.

I haven't looked myself, but can anyone find an example of a brand new set
from this time period showing that the set contained an un-stickered torso assembly
and one of the sticker sheets?
 Author: elias3 View Messages Posted By elias3
 Posted: Apr 17, 2018 08:19
 Subject: Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 926-1
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In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
  In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
  Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 926  Name: Command Centre (Center)
* 
926-1 (Inv) Command Centre (Center)
147 Parts, 4 Minifigures, 1979
Sets: Space: Classic Space

* Add 1 Minifig sp064 Classic Space - Red with Airtanks, Stickered Torso Pattern (Alternate) (match ID 3)
* Add 1 Minifig sp063 Classic Space - White with Airtanks, Stickered Torso Pattern (Alternate) (match ID 4)
* Change 2 Minifig sp005 Classic Space - Red with Airtanks {match ID 0 to 3}
* Change 2 Minifig sp006 Classic Space - White with Airtanks {match ID 0 to 4}

I'm not overly familiar with these stickered torso figures. I'm not
sure if they come from the existence of these sheets:

[P=SPACEstk01]
[P=SPACEstk02]

which came, I'm told, from TLG customer service only (read the additional
catalog notes for the sticker sheets), or if the torso stickered figures were
included in new sets.

The question which should be answered before we proceed here is whether the torsos
with stickers already applied were included in sealed sets or not. I'm sure
someone here knows the answer to that . . . ?

Maybe it's time to change that note (delete) and add the stickersheet to
the sets we know (like set 889 for ex.)
When in a later run the minfig in this set was the printed torso then this minfig
need to changes as alternate as 'MID 1' and the stickersheet and minfig
as regular with the 'MID 1' like we have done in other sets.
 Author: elias3 View Messages Posted By elias3
 Posted: Apr 17, 2018 08:13
 Subject: Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 891-1
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In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
  I don't call it a big lot of used sets. It is the following item
173205892929
I am amazed how all sets were neat and complete in their boxes. Only the small
space sets missed their boxes.
More interesting is that there was a letter inside the set 7725 which was the
answer of a Lego sale manager concerning the set 7725 and how to use transformer.
The owner was overly organized.
The older train 171 may not have come from the same buyer. The seller of this
item received donation to sell and spend for the charity.

On the other hand, I had seen this stickerred torso in various websites. One
of them is even in the inventory of
https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?M=sp064#T=P

Unfortunately, most AFOL consider bricklink as the ultimate source and all that
is true about inventories. IT is really not. One commnet:
"Looking at bricklink it seems they were only used in 1978. They don't seem
too uncommon though, there are a few for sale on bricklink."

https://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?/forums/topic/25056-classic-space-minifig-with-sticker/

Having worked with inventory of vintage trains from 70-80, I am 100% sure non
of them were inventories based on a sealed set rather they were inventoried by
checking the instructions. All mistakes I see come from instructions. Whenever
something is missing is because it is not present in its instructions or on the
box
I don't know about stickerred minifigs and I don't know if the space
sets were inventoried the same way as train sets.
Hopefully some collector see this post and write an anwser.
Some people discussed it here
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1054822

I had forgotten to attach my photos.


In Inventories Requests, mockingbird writes:
  In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
  I got an excellent lot including some train sets and space sets. The condition
of all sets is excellent considering the age. Boxes are in good or very good
condition and sets are complete including instructions.

SNIP

Is it not a bit 'dangerous' to change set inventories based on a big
lot of used lego. Even if the sets seem to be complete and in good condition.

Such a change should only be made if the source of the existing inventory is
not a sealed set.

Hi

Set 889 came with the stickered torso/minifig. Got this as my 2nd set when I
was 5-6y old.

Later they changed the Space minfigs and all came with printed torso.


Stefaan
 Author: paulvdb View Messages Posted By paulvdb
 Posted: Apr 17, 2018 07:36
 Subject: Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 926-1
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In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
  In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
  Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 926  Name: Command Centre (Center)
* 
926-1 (Inv) Command Centre (Center)
147 Parts, 4 Minifigures, 1979
Sets: Space: Classic Space

* Add 1 Minifig sp064 Classic Space - Red with Airtanks, Stickered Torso Pattern (Alternate) (match ID 3)
* Add 1 Minifig sp063 Classic Space - White with Airtanks, Stickered Torso Pattern (Alternate) (match ID 4)
* Change 2 Minifig sp005 Classic Space - Red with Airtanks {match ID 0 to 3}
* Change 2 Minifig sp006 Classic Space - White with Airtanks {match ID 0 to 4}

I'm not overly familiar with these stickered torso figures. I'm not
sure if they come from the existence of these sheets:

[P=SPACEstk01]
[P=SPACEstk02]

which came, I'm told, from TLG customer service only (read the additional
catalog notes for the sticker sheets), or if the torso stickered figures were
included in new sets.

The question which should be answered before we proceed here is whether the torsos
with stickers already applied were included in sealed sets or not. I'm sure
someone here knows the answer to that . . . ?

I know I had some of these stickered minifigs when I was a child. Of course these
sets are around 40 years old so I don't remember the exact details, but as
far as I remember some sets came with plain red or white torsos and sticker sheets
with the torso stickers.

Based on Bricklink inventory guidelines I guess this means that stickered minifigs
should be added as counterparts and minifigs with plain red and white torsos
should be added as alternates for the minifigs with printed torsos.
 Author: SezaR View Messages Posted By SezaR
 Posted: Apr 17, 2018 04:32
 Subject: Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 891-1
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I don't call it a big lot of used sets. It is the following item
173205892929
I am amazed how all sets were neat and complete in their boxes. Only the small
space sets missed their boxes.
More interesting is that there was a letter inside the set 7725 which was the
answer of a Lego sale manager concerning the set 7725 and how to use transformer.
The owner was overly organized.
The older train 171 may not have come from the same buyer. The seller of this
item received donation to sell and spend for the charity.

On the other hand, I had seen this stickerred torso in various websites. One
of them is even in the inventory of
https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?M=sp064#T=P

Unfortunately, most AFOL consider bricklink as the ultimate source and all that
is true about inventories. IT is really not. One commnet:
"Looking at bricklink it seems they were only used in 1978. They don't seem
too uncommon though, there are a few for sale on bricklink."

https://www.eurobricks.com/forum/index.php?/forums/topic/25056-classic-space-minifig-with-sticker/

Having worked with inventory of vintage trains from 70-80, I am 100% sure non
of them were inventories based on a sealed set rather they were inventoried by
checking the instructions. All mistakes I see come from instructions. Whenever
something is missing is because it is not present in its instructions or on the
box
I don't know about stickerred minifigs and I don't know if the space
sets were inventoried the same way as train sets.
Hopefully some collector see this post and write an anwser.
Some people discussed it here
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1054822

I had forgotten to attach my photos.


In Inventories Requests, mockingbird writes:
  In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
  I got an excellent lot including some train sets and space sets. The condition
of all sets is excellent considering the age. Boxes are in good or very good
condition and sets are complete including instructions.

SNIP

Is it not a bit 'dangerous' to change set inventories based on a big
lot of used lego. Even if the sets seem to be complete and in good condition.

Such a change should only be made if the source of the existing inventory is
not a sealed set.
 










 Author: mockingbird View Messages Posted By mockingbird
 Posted: Apr 17, 2018 03:17
 Subject: Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 891-1
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In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
  I got an excellent lot including some train sets and space sets. The condition
of all sets is excellent considering the age. Boxes are in good or very good
condition and sets are complete including instructions.

SNIP

Is it not a bit 'dangerous' to change set inventories based on a big
lot of used lego. Even if the sets seem to be complete and in good condition.

Such a change should only be made if the source of the existing inventory is
not a sealed set.
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
 Posted: Apr 17, 2018 02:59
 Subject: Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 891-1
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In Inventories Requests, Hygrotus writes:
  In Inventories Requests, SezaR writes:
  Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 891  Name: Two-Man Scooter
* 
891-1 (Inv) Two-Man Scooter
35 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 1979
Sets: Space: Classic Space

* Add 1 Minifig sp063 Classic Space - White with Airtanks, Stickered Torso Pattern (Alternate) (match ID 1)
* Change 1 Minifig sp006 Classic Space - White with Airtanks {match ID 0 to 1}

10000th inventory change request

Congratulations, SezaR! I always knew you were capable of this achievement.

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