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Got it.

In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:

In Suggestions, legomalego writes:

The countries I listed do not charge duty, they may charge sales tax.

I believe these are different charges. Correct me if I am wrong.

Here is where I got my info.

https://www.dutycalculator.com/dc/135760443/toys-games/figures-dolls/figures-dolls-non-humans/import-duty-rate-for-importing-dolls-and-toys-from-united-states-to-canada-is-0/

In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:

In Suggestions, legomalego writes:

They could have a line on their terms or splash page that states...

Most countries do not charge duty on toys. This includes Canada, the US, the
United Kingdom, France, Germany, Greece, Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland,
Hong Kong, Iceland, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal,
Spain, Sweden, Turkey, Botswana and many more.

Now where on earth did you read all those EU countries do not charge duty (or
import taxes, or VAT or whatever you wanna call it)on toys

All the EU countries you state *can* charge 'import taxes' and as a matter
off fact they frequently do, the threshold for free import troughout the EU is
22 Euro, every order above that value is subject for 'import costs and/or
VAT' depending on value and content (and always a 'handling' cost
on top *if* they process the shipment).

That is correct. There is no specific toy duty, but all the regular import taxes
charged on everything else are still payable.

But if you put in your terms that there is no duty to be paid and then a buyer
has to pay tax, then your buyer is not going to be very happy. You are making
it sound like there is no extra to be paid, when this is not the case. Some big
US sellers like Amazon and target allow prepayment of UK taxes by buyers, so
it is not due on import. Putting "no duty" makes it sound like that to a buyer.
And they are then likely to refuse the parcel, causing you a headache later,
or pay up then leave negative feedback as you said no duty payable and they had
to pay tax on arrival.

Author:

yorbrick

Posted:

Jan 23, 2017 14:43

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Re: Auto-ban Users That Request Custom Form Fraud

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In Suggestions, legomalego writes:

Now where on earth did you read all those EU countries do not charge duty (or
import taxes, or VAT or whatever you wanna call it)on toys

Author:

yorbrick

Posted:

Jan 23, 2017 14:36

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Re: Stop Wanted List Spamming for Minifigs

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I think it has been asked for before (by both buyers and sellers), more from
a price guide / history point of view, but I can see it will also affect wants
lists too. Especially if people are using cost minimise, there is an incentive
to list parts as incomplete figures.

Author:

legomalego

Posted:

Jan 23, 2017 14:36

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Re: Auto-ban Users That Request Custom Form Fraud

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In Suggestions, legomalego writes:

Now where on earth did you read all those EU countries do not charge duty (or
import taxes, or VAT or whatever you wanna call it)on toys

Author:

yorbrick

Posted:

Jan 23, 2017 14:31

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Re: Auto-ban Users That Request Custom Form Fraud

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I voted no. I think it is up to sellers to decide to stop listening buyers, rather
than blanket bans for things like this.

If you find it distasteful, then refuse it. I've not had many, but when I
have I have simply said no and explained why. I think in three cases the buyer
asked to cancel and in two they went ahead anyway (although I made sure I charged
them for tracked postage).

There is also the problem that some sellers don't understand what is being
asked
I once asked a US seller if they put merchandise costs on the customs form,
or merchandise costs plus postage. They replied they don't do customs fraud.
That was before I placed an order. I bought elsewhere, from a seller that did
understand my question. I wouldn't be happy if I got a black mark that might
stop me using BL at all from a seller that sees "customs form" and nothing further.

Author:

yorbrick

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Jan 23, 2017 14:23

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Re: Auto-ban Users That Request Custom Form Fraud

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In Suggestions, legomalego writes:

That could work well.

Or

They could have a line on their terms or splash page that states...

Most countries do not charge duty on toys. This includes Canada, the US, the
United Kingdom, France, Germany, Greece, Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland,
Hong Kong, Iceland, Ireland, Israel, Italy, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal,
Spain, Sweden, Turkey, Botswana and many more.

So in some cases I think sellers need to be educated about import laws and how
to fill out customs forms properly more than buyers need to be banned from the
site.

In Suggestions, cosmicray writes:

In Suggestions, calibrick writes:

Respectfully recommend an auto-ban of any user that requests a seller lie on
customs forms based on a specific criteria (e.g., 5 unique seller complaints
for the same username). Note this in the buyer guide/help context (against the
rules, fraud, account will be auto-banned).

Worse, some buyers are punishing sellers by leaving negative feedback when they
are merely being good, fair-minded citizens that are following federal regulations
and complying with the LAW.

My understanding is that this is not the first time this has been requested.
Seems to me this could be a field appended to the existing database that is populated
by admins based on seller complaints as a regulatory-minded service to the seller
community.

Perhaps the easier solution would be for the seller to post on their Terms page

"I do not falsify total order values on customs forms (so don't ask)"

or

"I will falsify total order values on customs forms (no need to ask)"

(emoticon added for context)

Ray

I disagree. Sellers only need concern themselves with their country's export
laws, not the import laws of every country they ship to. The import laws are
up to the customer to know and understand.

And as others have noted, whilst there is no specific extra tax or duty on toys,
there is still VAT and sometimes import duty (depends on order value) for importing
into the EU. If a seller writes that there is no duty to be paid and then later
there is, they are on dodgy ground with the buyer.

Author:

waltzking

Posted:

Jan 23, 2017 14:14

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Stop Wanted List Spamming for Minifigs

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Status:

Discarded

Of late I am regularly getting spammed through the wanted list feature for minifigures
listed either under the wrong listing or as an incomplete "new" figure.

With the current system all figures are under the same either "new" or "used"
condition heading, but unlike sets can be listed from a few parts (everything
missing but the torso and head) or complete per the correct inventory of that
figure. This not only opens sellers to "acceptably" list wrong items, or worse
in a deceptive manner (such as the new Loki sh033a in the old Loki sh033), by
simply adding a comment like "missing cape" or "new style cape".

Clearly these are not what a buyer wants to be notified of through their wanted
list settings. Such incomplete or incorrect items also have a negative effect
toward useful sales info, or even current items for sale info. WHish is what
leads to my suggestion....

Please, can we have the same "Complete" and "Incomplete" sub-conditions for
figures like we have for sets?

This will effectively require sellers to list items accurately. If they are
not the exact item they must be listed as "Incomplete" and can then either be
excluded from search and history, or reported for misuse. Figures are a large
part of the value of a set, so if a set can't be listed without a sub-condition,
it would follow that figures (which to many are the most collectable items LEGO
makes) should have the same requirement.

Thanks for considering.
Jonathan
waltzking

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mikmo

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Jan 23, 2017 14:09

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Re: Auto-ban Users That Request Custom Form Fraud

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Sorry could not resist

wir fahren fahren fahren auf der auto ban

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iukUMRlaBBE

Author:

RobErNat

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Jan 23, 2017 14:04

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Re: Auto-ban Users That Request Custom Form Fraud

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In Suggestions, legomalego writes:

Now where on earth did you read all those EU countries do not charge duty (or
import taxes, or VAT or whatever you wanna call it)on toys

Author:

Brettj666

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Jan 23, 2017 13:39

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Re: Auto-ban Users That Request Custom Form Fraud

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