Recently I started to take a look at old Forestmen & Castle sets. I recognized
that the small plumes from every colour always came within a set of three.
I have thought they always came together on a sprue. But the part above only
has seven sets appearances. But there are way more sets with all three plumes.
Is that an inventory error or did the plumes came already separated in some sets?
Anyway, let´s take a look at the most important plume, the small black one. This
part costs around 35 Euro.
In this set the small black one is not used in the build, but Bricklink categorize
this item not as an extra item. This is one of the sets were the inventory doesn´t
say "on a sprue". Is that also correct or an error from Bricklink meaning
that this plume should be considered as an extra irem?
If it is not an error: Take a look at the sellers for this set. Some dont state
they have something missing and their description says something like this: "Complete,
with instructions, no box" and with a price tag of 20 Euro.
You know where I am getting to. The small black plume alone has way more value
than some sets that are offered "complete". In my opinion that is clearly
misguiding or even blatant fraud.
If I am buying all offers that are complete from the lower end of the prices,
I can guarantee you, that all will be missing the small black plume. So do I
have a case here, when I buy one of these low priced "complete" sets?
And can I demand afterwards to get the small black plume or a compensation as
I paid for a "complete" set? ...
I think you want one set and not all, regardless the state of completeness.
If you are in for a steal, go on.
If you want 1 set: ask the seller(s) of your choice to confirm the black plume
is there.
Buy it at the first that complies.
Enjoy the set!
(not the plumes...... or the discussions with the sellers that sent the incomplete
sets)
Still not sure wether you are interested in this set, or just checking for sets
for sale that are NOT complete despite their listings say they are.
Why should I ask before I buy something if the descriptions is fully there? It´s
their mistake, not mine. And a costly one also if someone consists to get the
full complete set as stated.
Maybe Bricklink should add a note for those sets to warn Sellers AND Buyers!
In General, StarBrick writes:
I think you want one set and not all, regardless the state of completeness.
If you are in for a steal, go on.
If you want 1 set: ask the seller(s) of your choice to confirm the black plume
is there.
Buy it at the first that complies.
Enjoy the set!
(not the plumes...... or the discussions with the sellers that sent the incomplete
sets)
Still not sure wether you are interested in this set, or just checking for sets
for sale that are NOT complete despite their listings say they are.
Why should I ask before I buy something if the descriptions is fully there? It´s
their mistake, not mine. And a costly one also if someone consists to get the
full complete set as stated.
IT IS YOUR MISTAKE if you do not understand what constitutes a complete set.
Many times I have said it is a good idea for a seller to make it clear if sprued
but unnecessary parts are highlighted if nit included, but it is up to a buyer
to understand ' a used complete set does not need to have all the parts in
the inventory, it only needs the parts to build the set (and any alternate /
B models).
Recently I started to take a look at old Forestmen & Castle sets. I recognized
that the small plumes from every colour always came within a set of three.
I have thought they always came together on a sprue. But the part above only
has seven sets appearances. But there are way more sets with all three plumes.
Is that an inventory error or did the plumes came already separated in some sets?
Anyway, let´s take a look at the most important plume, the small black one. This
part costs around 35 Euro.
In this set the small black one is not used in the build, but Bricklink categorize
this item not as an extra item. This is one of the sets were the inventory doesn´t
say "on a sprue". Is that also correct or an error from Bricklink meaning
that this plume should be considered as an extra irem?
If it is not an error: Take a look at the sellers for this set. Some dont state
they have something missing and their description says something like this: "Complete,
with instructions, no box" and with a price tag of 20 Euro.
You know where I am getting to. The small black plume alone has way more value
than some sets that are offered "complete". In my opinion that is clearly
misguiding or even blatant fraud.
If I am buying all offers that are complete from the lower end of the prices,
I can guarantee you, that all will be missing the small black plume. So do I
have a case here, when I buy one of these low priced "complete" sets?
And can I demand afterwards to get the small black plume or a compensation as
I paid for a "complete" set? ...
The plume sprue is what came in all the sets, however if a minifigure uses one
of the plumes, the others that were on the sprue end up in the regular inventory
section. Since they aren’t required for the build, if I recall correctly, they
are not needed to be marked as complete, but I believe the seller still has to
state that in the listing if they aren’t included.
That makes sense. Can you link the guidelines for the plumes?
But still a lot of the seller are not stating it in their description rather
more they state "complete"...hence...it is either ignorance, sloppiness,
inexperience or...fraud in my eyes
In General, Nubs_Select writes:
In General, Martin_MD writes:
Recently I started to take a look at old Forestmen & Castle sets. I recognized
that the small plumes from every colour always came within a set of three.
I have thought they always came together on a sprue. But the part above only
has seven sets appearances. But there are way more sets with all three plumes.
Is that an inventory error or did the plumes came already separated in some sets?
Anyway, let´s take a look at the most important plume, the small black one. This
part costs around 35 Euro.
In this set the small black one is not used in the build, but Bricklink categorize
this item not as an extra item. This is one of the sets were the inventory doesn´t
say "on a sprue". Is that also correct or an error from Bricklink meaning
that this plume should be considered as an extra irem?
If it is not an error: Take a look at the sellers for this set. Some dont state
they have something missing and their description says something like this: "Complete,
with instructions, no box" and with a price tag of 20 Euro.
You know where I am getting to. The small black plume alone has way more value
than some sets that are offered "complete". In my opinion that is clearly
misguiding or even blatant fraud.
If I am buying all offers that are complete from the lower end of the prices,
I can guarantee you, that all will be missing the small black plume. So do I
have a case here, when I buy one of these low priced "complete" sets?
And can I demand afterwards to get the small black plume or a compensation as
I paid for a "complete" set? ...
The plume sprue is what came in all the sets, however if a minifigure uses one
of the plumes, the others that were on the sprue end up in the regular inventory
section. Since they aren’t required for the build, if I recall correctly, they
are not needed to be marked as complete, but I believe the seller still has to
state that in the listing if they aren’t included.
[…]
The plume sprue is what came in all the sets, however if a minifigure uses one
of the plumes, the others that were on the sprue end up in the regular inventory
section. Since they aren’t required for the build, if I recall correctly, they
are not needed to be marked as complete, but I believe the seller still has to
state that in the listing if they aren’t included.
To be precise: The old plumes came in three, on a sprue. New plumes come separated
(but it’s only the small one now).
Also, the other plumes are listed as “Regular,” so they are needed for the set
to be “Complete.”
[…]
The plume sprue is what came in all the sets, however if a minifigure uses one
of the plumes, the others that were on the sprue end up in the regular inventory
section. Since they aren’t required for the build, if I recall correctly, they
are not needed to be marked as complete, but I believe the seller still has to
state that in the listing if they aren’t included.
To be precise: The old plumes came in three, on a sprue. New plumes come separated
(but it’s only the small one now).
Also, the other plumes are listed as “Regular,” so they are needed for the set
to be “Complete.”
Would it not be the case that a used set would need the parts needed to complete
the set as per the instructions, but not the extras?
Also, the other plumes are listed as “Regular,” so they are needed for the set
to be “Complete.”
Would it not be the case that a used set would need the parts needed to complete
the set as per the instructions, but not the extras?
Again, the set given as example has the plumes as Regular, not Extra,
so I would say they are always needed for the set to be Complete.
The definition,
“Complete - Set contains all parts necessary to build all of the models (including
alternate models) in the instructions but does not have to contain the original
box/packaging and/or extra parts. If the set is missing instructions, the description
must list this. If the set did not come with instructions then the set should
include all parts listed in the picture inventory which is located on the box
or bucket. The set must include all original stickers used on the model either
still on the sticker sheet or applied.” https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=102
Also, the other plumes are listed as “Regular,” so they are needed for the set
to be “Complete.”
Would it not be the case that a used set would need the parts needed to complete
the set as per the instructions, but not the extras?
Again, the set given as example has the plumes as Regular, not Extra,
so I would say they are always needed for the set to be Complete.
The definition,
“Complete - Set contains all parts necessary to build all of the models (including
alternate models) in the instructions but does not have to contain the original
box/packaging and/or extra parts. If the set is missing instructions, the description
must list this. If the set did not come with instructions then the set should
include all parts listed in the picture inventory which is located on the box
or bucket. The set must include all original stickers used on the model either
still on the sticker sheet or applied.” https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=102
doesn’t say that Regular parts can be missing.
Not sure we should still be waiting for the new catalogue that will allow to
show the different kinds of inventories….
Also, the other plumes are listed as “Regular,” so they are needed for the set
to be “Complete.”
Would it not be the case that a used set would need the parts needed to complete
the set as per the instructions, but not the extras?
Again, the set given as example has the plumes as Regular, not Extra,
so I would say they are always needed for the set to be Complete.
The definition,
“Complete - Set contains all parts necessary to build all of the models (including
alternate models) in the instructions but does not have to contain the original
box/packaging and/or extra parts. If the set is missing instructions, the description
must list this. If the set did not come with instructions then the set should
include all parts listed in the picture inventory which is located on the box
or bucket. The set must include all original stickers used on the model either
still on the sticker sheet or applied.” https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=102
doesn’t say that Regular parts can be missing.
Not sure we should still be waiting for the new catalogue that will allow to
show the different kinds of inventories….
But if not all regular parts are necessary to complete the build (and any alternate
builds), then they're not necessary for the set to be Complete.
The rule doesn’t say that explicitly, or rather, the word “extra” (in “and/or
extra parts”) can be understood in a broader sense than “the parts that are in
the Extra section,” or not.
But if not all regular parts are necessary to complete the build (and any alternate
builds), then they're not necessary for the set to be Complete.
Indeed, and this was exactly the issue brought up when it was decided that any
unnecessary parts that used to be extras were moved into regular. But it was
decided to go ahead with it anyway without any additional catalogue notes to
highlight what is actually needed to build the set in all the sets affected.
Just checking: if the 2 other plumes are nowhere shown on the box or in the instructions,
leaving them out of ones listing, is that listing complete or incomplete?
If I read this right, then missing the parts that are not shown on the box or
the instructions, do NOT make it incomplete.
Just checking: if the 2 other plumes are nowhere shown on the box or in the instructions,
leaving them out of ones listing, is that listing complete or incomplete?
If I read this right, then missing the parts that are not shown on the box or
the instructions, do NOT make it incomplete.
Correct?
That’s how it’s explained… even though that’s not how it’s written.
Just checking: if the 2 other plumes are nowhere shown on the box or in the instructions,
leaving them out of ones listing, is that listing complete or incomplete?
If I read this right, then missing the parts that are not shown on the box or
the instructions, do NOT make it incomplete.
Correct?
Correct. Strictly, it only needs to be in the instructions. I don’t think there
are any sets where the box shows a sprue part that is not in the building instructions
of the set but if there was the rule is that it only needs the parts to build
as per the instructions and not as per the box.
Just checking: if the 2 other plumes are nowhere shown on the box or in the instructions,
leaving them out of ones listing, is that listing complete or incomplete?
If I read this right, then missing the parts that are not shown on the box or
the instructions, do NOT make it incomplete.
Correct?
Correct. Strictly, it only needs to be in the instructions. I don’t think there
are any sets where the box shows a sprue part that is not in the building instructions
of the set but if there was the rule is that it only needs the parts to build
as per the instructions and not as per the box.
The "extra" plumes were actually shown quite often in alternate models
on the box.
That is a great find! I will also say that the other black plume is probably
nowhere to be found in those "complete" stated listings as not many know
this picture and only rely on the instruction.
Now the question is: Is there any alternate build with the small blume?
Nevertheless Bricklink should add a note to all sets that came with three plumes
on a sprue to give buyers and sellers a hint...
I am sure sooner or later this will or already was a problem between seller
& buyer. As a buyer I rely on the description. Starting to question every single
item is not how a "shop" should be run.
In General, Turez writes:
In General, yorbrick writes:
In General, StarBrick writes:
Just checking: if the 2 other plumes are nowhere shown on the box or in the instructions,
leaving them out of ones listing, is that listing complete or incomplete?
If I read this right, then missing the parts that are not shown on the box or
the instructions, do NOT make it incomplete.
Correct?
Correct. Strictly, it only needs to be in the instructions. I don’t think there
are any sets where the box shows a sprue part that is not in the building instructions
of the set but if there was the rule is that it only needs the parts to build
as per the instructions and not as per the box.
The "extra" plumes were actually shown quite often in alternate models
on the box.
Also, the other plumes are listed as “Regular,” so they are needed for the set
to be “Complete.”
Would it not be the case that a used set would need the parts needed to complete
the set as per the instructions, but not the extras?
Again, the set given as example has the plumes as Regular, not Extra,
so I would say they are always needed for the set to be Complete.
Nope. They are only needed when shown in the instructions as part of the model.
The definition,
“Complete - Set contains all parts necessary to build all of the models (including
alternate models) in the instructions but does not have to contain the original
box/packaging and/or extra parts. If the set is missing instructions, the description
must list this. If the set did not come with instructions then the set should
include all parts listed in the picture inventory which is located on the box
or bucket. The set must include all original stickers used on the model either
still on the sticker sheet or applied.” https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=102
doesn’t say that Regular parts can be missing.
It doesn't say anything about regular parts because the definition of complete/incomplete
is part of the "Item for Sale Listing Policy" which is not related to
set inventories. It only refers to official resources, like instructions and
parts lists on boxes, probably because those are usually static while inventories
on BrickLink can be updated at any time.
To give another example, the brick separator is always included in the regular
items section of a BrickLink inventory because it is included in the official
piece count and listed in official parts list. However, it is (from what I remember)
never needed to build a model according to the instructions. As such, used sets
without the brick separator can still be listed and sold as complete.
Again, the set given as example has the plumes as Regular, not Extra,
so I would say they are always needed for the set to be Complete.
Nope. They are only needed when shown in the instructions as part of the model.
The definition,
“Complete - Set contains all parts necessary to build all of the models (including
alternate models) in the instructions but does not have to contain the original
box/packaging and/or extra parts. If the set is missing instructions, the description
must list this. If the set did not come with instructions then the set should
include all parts listed in the picture inventory which is located on the box
or bucket. The set must include all original stickers used on the model either
still on the sticker sheet or applied.” https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=102
doesn’t say that Regular parts can be missing.
It doesn't say anything about regular parts because the definition of complete/incomplete
is part of the "Item for Sale Listing Policy" which is not related to
set inventories. It only refers to official resources, like instructions and
parts lists on boxes, probably because those are usually static while inventories
on BrickLink can be updated at any time.
That simply means the catalogue is unfit for selling Used.
A: “What is needed for a Used Complete set?”
B: “Here’s the definition: …”
A: “So the other plumes are needed? They are in Regular.”
B: “No, the definition says ‘extra parts,’ but that doesn’t mean ‘Extra parts,’
that can include Regular parts.
It’s only the parts needed for the main model as seen in the instructions… and
for B models too, which are in instructions that sometimes are not in the box
but online… but not the B models that are on the box but not in the instrucitons,
even though they are more visible. Oh, and you have no way to know that from
the BL catalogue.”
🤪🤪🤪
Honestly, what is pictured on the box should be included in Complete, either
as “must have” or as “should be listed as missing.”
I buy the set, I can build what’s on the box, period.
Sure, it’s been explained on the forum, multiple times, like, “no, the plumes
will stay in the inventory” (oh, another one as I was writing this, hilarious).
But I like written rules, not rules made on the spot and transmitted by oral
tradition. They already knew that in Hammurabi’s time.
Again, the set given as example has the plumes as Regular, not Extra,
so I would say they are always needed for the set to be Complete.
Nope. They are only needed when shown in the instructions as part of the model.
The definition,
“Complete - Set contains all parts necessary to build all of the models (including
alternate models) in the instructions but does not have to contain the original
box/packaging and/or extra parts. If the set is missing instructions, the description
must list this. If the set did not come with instructions then the set should
include all parts listed in the picture inventory which is located on the box
or bucket. The set must include all original stickers used on the model either
still on the sticker sheet or applied.” https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=102
doesn’t say that Regular parts can be missing.
It doesn't say anything about regular parts because the definition of complete/incomplete
is part of the "Item for Sale Listing Policy" which is not related to
set inventories. It only refers to official resources, like instructions and
parts lists on boxes, probably because those are usually static while inventories
on BrickLink can be updated at any time.
That simply means the catalogue is unfit for selling Used.
Yes. But again, the definition of new/used/complete/incomplete does not refer
to the catalog or inventory sections.
A: “What is needed for a Used Complete set?”
B: “Here’s the definition: …”
A: “So the other plumes are needed? They are in Regular.”
B: “No, the definition says ‘extra parts,’ but that doesn’t mean ‘Extra parts,’
that can include Regular parts.
It’s only the parts needed for the main model as seen in the instructions… and
for B models too, which are in instructions that sometimes are not in the box
but online… but not the B models that are on the box but not in the instrucitons,
even though they are more visible. Oh, and you have no way to know that from
the BL catalogue.”
🤪🤪🤪
Honestly, what is pictured on the box should be included in Complete, either
as “must have” or as “should be listed as missing.”
I buy the set, I can build what’s on the box, period.
I agree. Unfortunately, for large sets it is sometimes impossible to determine
what is needed to build the alternate models shown on the box. I'm still
hoping for official parts lists for older (pre-1996) sets to answer some open
questions.
The brick separator is actually shown being "needed" in a few instructions.
Maybe the Concorde? I know I've seen it a few times as being used to remove
temporary parts.
Also, the other plumes are listed as “Regular,” so they are needed for the set
to be “Complete.”
Would it not be the case that a used set would need the parts needed to complete
the set as per the instructions, but not the extras?
Again, the set given as example has the plumes as Regular, not Extra,
so I would say they are always needed for the set to be Complete.
Nope. They are only needed when shown in the instructions as part of the model.
The definition,
“Complete - Set contains all parts necessary to build all of the models (including
alternate models) in the instructions but does not have to contain the original
box/packaging and/or extra parts. If the set is missing instructions, the description
must list this. If the set did not come with instructions then the set should
include all parts listed in the picture inventory which is located on the box
or bucket. The set must include all original stickers used on the model either
still on the sticker sheet or applied.” https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=102
doesn’t say that Regular parts can be missing.
It doesn't say anything about regular parts because the definition of complete/incomplete
is part of the "Item for Sale Listing Policy" which is not related to
set inventories. It only refers to official resources, like instructions and
parts lists on boxes, probably because those are usually static while inventories
on BrickLink can be updated at any time.
To give another example, the brick separator is always included in the regular
items section of a BrickLink inventory because it is included in the official
piece count and listed in official parts list. However, it is (from what I remember)
never needed to build a model according to the instructions. As such, used sets
without the brick separator can still be listed and sold as complete.
The brick separator is actually shown being "needed" in a few instructions.
Maybe the Concorde? I know I've seen it a few times as being used to remove
temporary parts.
That may be true, but in reality no one is going to care if it's there or
not, and adding an extra separator is not going to be an issue for any seller.
IMO the unused feathers should be considered as extras, however due to the unusual
method they are supplied this should be added in a note on the set page.
To give another example, the brick separator is always included in the regular
items section of a BrickLink inventory because it is included in the official
piece count and listed in official parts list. However, it is (from what I remember)
never needed to build a model according to the instructions. As such, used sets
without the brick separator can still be listed and sold as complete.
What if it's shown to be used in the instructions but not actually present
in the model?
To give another example, the brick separator is always included in the regular
items section of a BrickLink inventory because it is included in the official
piece count and listed in official parts list. However, it is (from what I remember)
never needed to build a model according to the instructions. As such, used sets
without the brick separator can still be listed and sold as complete.
What if it's shown to be used in the instructions but not actually present
in the model?
~Jen
I also vaguely remember building a set that used a standard part as a spacer
or for stability during a build but the part was removed before the model is
complete. Wish I could recollect which one!
Question is, will it change with the "new" catalogue? I am going the
long run to buy the plumes...and two months later they will be categorized as
"extra item" and the plumes will lose massive in value?
In General, jennnifer writes:
In General, jennnifer writes:
In General, Turez writes:
To give another example, the brick separator is always included in the regular
items section of a BrickLink inventory because it is included in the official
piece count and listed in official parts list. However, it is (from what I remember)
never needed to build a model according to the instructions. As such, used sets
without the brick separator can still be listed and sold as complete.
What if it's shown to be used in the instructions but not actually present
in the model?
~Jen
I also vaguely remember building a set that used a standard part as a spacer
or for stability during a build but the part was removed before the model is
complete. Wish I could recollect which one!
Question is, will it change with the "new" catalogue? I am going the
long run to buy the plumes...and two months later they will be categorized as
"extra item" and the plumes will lose massive in value?
Do you mean, will the admin change the plumes back to actual Extras? No, I don't
think so. LEGO sets really have 2 different states: New, Sealed and Used, Built.
Really the inventories should be different. Built sets may have stickers and
counterparts and sprues are all used up. Sealed sets have whatever LEGO stuck
in the box. The only change I would ever foresee is having an option one day
to toggle between the two states within an inventory.
At least, that's the idea I've always told BrickLink when they've
asked me.
I was the last admin who stuck Separators and such into the Extras section. I've
been retired since 2017 and the system has been consistent since then. And even
I am now convinced that having BrickLink inventories reflect Sealed sets is better
overall.
Anything that requires BL to write and implement new code for us and not strictly
for compliance rarely ever happens. [ { cough } ] Tags. Seller Tools.
So, there's no 'new catalog' in the works, there's just a bunch
of us hanging around with ideas for making this place better.
Question is, will it change with the "new" catalogue? I am going the
long run to buy the plumes...and two months later they will be categorized as
"extra item" and the plumes will lose massive in value?
Question is, will it change with the "new" catalogue? I am going the
long run to buy the plumes...and two months later they will be categorized as
"extra item" and the plumes will lose massive in value?
Why would they lose value if they aren't needed for complete sets now and
won't be in future?
The plume sprue is what came in all the sets, however if a minifigure uses one
of the plumes, the others that were on the sprue end up in the regular inventory
section. Since they aren’t required for the build, if I recall correctly, they
are not needed to be marked as complete, but I believe the seller still has to
state that in the listing if they aren’t included.
The seller doesn't have to state that. It is good practice to do so, but
the rules don't mandate it.
Recently I started to take a look at old Forestmen & Castle sets. I recognized
that the small plumes from every colour always came within a set of three.
I have thought they always came together on a sprue. But the part above only
has seven sets appearances. But there are way more sets with all three plumes.
Is that an inventory error or did the plumes came already separated in some sets?
As has been mentioned in this thread, the classic plumes (used until ~2004) always
came on sprues, but the complete sprue cannot be listed in the set inventory
when one or more plumes are included in the minifigures.
See https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1562
Parts on Sprues - Complete sprues are included in this section unless
some parts from the sprues are used in minifigures. In that case, the parts from
the sprues that are not used in minifigures are included in this section.
"This section" refers to the regular items section of the inventory.
Anyway, let´s take a look at the most important plume, the small black one. This
part costs around 35 Euro.
In this set the small black one is not used in the build, but Bricklink categorize
this item not as an extra item. This is one of the sets were the inventory doesn´t
say "on a sprue". Is that also correct or an error from Bricklink meaning
that this plume should be considered as an extra irem?
See above.
If it is not an error: Take a look at the sellers for this set. Some dont state
they have something missing and their description says something like this: "Complete,
with instructions, no box" and with a price tag of 20 Euro.
You know where I am getting to. The small black plume alone has way more value
than some sets that are offered "complete". In my opinion that is clearly
misguiding or even blatant fraud.
If I am buying all offers that are complete from the lower end of the prices,
I can guarantee you, that all will be missing the small black plume. So do I
have a case here, when I buy one of these low priced "complete" sets?
And can I demand afterwards to get the small black plume or a compensation as
I paid for a "complete" set? ...
"Used, complete" means all parts are included to build the model according
to the instructions. It does not mean that all parts from the regular items section
are included.
See https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=102
There are many sets especially from the 1980s and 1990s which came with additional
parts that are not shown in the instructions but are definitely not "extra
parts". Sometimes they are needed to build alternate models shown on the
box. Such parts are listed as regular parts in the set inventory on BrickLink
because they are usually included in the official piece count.
Again, see https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1562 for more information
about the regular items section.
Recently I started to take a look at old Forestmen & Castle sets. I recognized
that the small plumes from every colour always came within a set of three.
I have thought they always came together on a sprue. But the part above only
has seven sets appearances. But there are way more sets with all three plumes.
Is that an inventory error or did the plumes came already separated in some sets?
As has been mentioned in this thread, the classic plumes (used until ~2004) always
came on sprues, but the complete sprue cannot be listed in the set inventory
when one or more plumes are included in the minifigures.
See https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1562
Parts on Sprues - Complete sprues are included in this section unless
some parts from the sprues are used in minifigures. In that case, the parts from
the sprues that are not used in minifigures are included in this section.
"This section" refers to the regular items section of the inventory.
Anyway, let´s take a look at the most important plume, the small black one. This
part costs around 35 Euro.
In this set the small black one is not used in the build, but Bricklink categorize
this item not as an extra item. This is one of the sets were the inventory doesn´t
say "on a sprue". Is that also correct or an error from Bricklink meaning
that this plume should be considered as an extra irem?
See above.
If it is not an error: Take a look at the sellers for this set. Some dont state
they have something missing and their description says something like this: "Complete,
with instructions, no box" and with a price tag of 20 Euro.
You know where I am getting to. The small black plume alone has way more value
than some sets that are offered "complete". In my opinion that is clearly
misguiding or even blatant fraud.
If I am buying all offers that are complete from the lower end of the prices,
I can guarantee you, that all will be missing the small black plume. So do I
have a case here, when I buy one of these low priced "complete" sets?
And can I demand afterwards to get the small black plume or a compensation as
I paid for a "complete" set? ...
"Used, complete" means all parts are included to build the model according
to the instructions. It does not mean that all parts from the regular items section
are included.
See https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=102
There are many sets especially from the 1980s and 1990s which came with additional
parts that are not shown in the instructions but are definitely not "extra
parts". Sometimes they are needed to build alternate models shown on the
box. Such parts are listed as regular parts in the set inventory on BrickLink
because they are usually included in the official piece count.
Again, see https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1562 for more information
about the regular items section.
I emphasize this again:
Definition of complete used set: "Complete - Set contains all parts necessary
to build all of the models (including alternate models) in the instructions but
does not have to contain the original box/packaging and/or extra parts."
So a complete used set do NOT need to have all the parts in the "regular"
section.
--- a set with all parts of 6035 extra the two plumes not used in the builds
of this set can be listed "complete" per the mere definition on Bricklink.
As a seller, I add a note that my set do not come with extra plumes to avoid
confusion.
As a side note to catalog admin: the definition can be more detailed, with an
example. For example:
Complete - Set contains all parts necessary to build all of the models (including
alternate models) in the instructions but does not have to contain the original
box/packaging and/or extra parts and/or all parts in the regular section. Example:
set 6035 with all parts in the regular section except the black plumes... can
be listed complete.
As a side note to catalog admin: the definition can be more detailed, with an
example. For example:
Complete - Set contains all parts necessary to build all of the models (including
alternate models) in the instructions but does not have to contain the original
box/packaging and/or extra parts and/or all parts in the regular section. Example:
set 6035 with all parts in the regular section except the black plumes... can
be listed complete.
Just to clarify things, catalog admins are not responsibly for the item for sale
condition definitions.
Recently I started to take a look at old Forestmen & Castle sets. I recognized
that the small plumes from every colour always came within a set of three.
I have thought they always came together on a sprue. But the part above only
has seven sets appearances. But there are way more sets with all three plumes.
Is that an inventory error or did the plumes came already separated in some sets?
As has been mentioned in this thread, the classic plumes (used until ~2004) always
came on sprues, but the complete sprue cannot be listed in the set inventory
when one or more plumes are included in the minifigures.
See https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1562
Parts on Sprues - Complete sprues are included in this section unless
some parts from the sprues are used in minifigures. In that case, the parts from
the sprues that are not used in minifigures are included in this section.
"This section" refers to the regular items section of the inventory.
Anyway, let´s take a look at the most important plume, the small black one. This
part costs around 35 Euro.
In this set the small black one is not used in the build, but Bricklink categorize
this item not as an extra item. This is one of the sets were the inventory doesn´t
say "on a sprue". Is that also correct or an error from Bricklink meaning
that this plume should be considered as an extra irem?
See above.
If it is not an error: Take a look at the sellers for this set. Some dont state
they have something missing and their description says something like this: "Complete,
with instructions, no box" and with a price tag of 20 Euro.
You know where I am getting to. The small black plume alone has way more value
than some sets that are offered "complete". In my opinion that is clearly
misguiding or even blatant fraud.
If I am buying all offers that are complete from the lower end of the prices,
I can guarantee you, that all will be missing the small black plume. So do I
have a case here, when I buy one of these low priced "complete" sets?
And can I demand afterwards to get the small black plume or a compensation as
I paid for a "complete" set? ...
"Used, complete" means all parts are included to build the model according
to the instructions. It does not mean that all parts from the regular items section
are included.
See https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=102
There are many sets especially from the 1980s and 1990s which came with additional
parts that are not shown in the instructions but are definitely not "extra
parts". Sometimes they are needed to build alternate models shown on the
box. Such parts are listed as regular parts in the set inventory on BrickLink
because they are usually included in the official piece count.
Again, see https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1562 for more information
about the regular items section.
I emphasize this again:
Definition of complete used set: "Complete - Set contains all parts necessary
to build all of the models (including alternate models) in the instructions but
does not have to contain the original box/packaging and/or extra parts."
So a complete used set do NOT need to have all the parts in the "regular"
section.
--- a set with all parts of 6035 extra the two plumes not used in the builds
of this set can be listed "complete" per the mere definition on Bricklink.
As a seller, I add a note that my set do not come with extra plumes to avoid
confusion.
As a side note to catalog admin: the definition can be more detailed, with an
example. For example:
Complete - Set contains all parts necessary to build all of the models (including
alternate models) in the instructions but does not have to contain the original
box/packaging and/or extra parts and/or all parts in the regular section. Example:
set 6035 with all parts in the regular section except the black plumes... can
be listed complete.
If the sets do not need to have the plumes to make the set complete, then any
non-used plumes need to be moved to the "extra" pieces section. This
will avoid all confusion here, I think.
Correct, but the problem is apparently that sometimes it is not 100% clear how
the alternates are build. So I guess they will never be moved into the extra
items and have to be included in the sets to make them complete.
In General, LordSkylark writes:
In General, SezaR writes:
In General, Turez writes:
In General, Martin_MD writes:
Recently I started to take a look at old Forestmen & Castle sets. I recognized
that the small plumes from every colour always came within a set of three.
I have thought they always came together on a sprue. But the part above only
has seven sets appearances. But there are way more sets with all three plumes.
Is that an inventory error or did the plumes came already separated in some sets?
As has been mentioned in this thread, the classic plumes (used until ~2004) always
came on sprues, but the complete sprue cannot be listed in the set inventory
when one or more plumes are included in the minifigures.
See https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1562
Parts on Sprues - Complete sprues are included in this section unless
some parts from the sprues are used in minifigures. In that case, the parts from
the sprues that are not used in minifigures are included in this section.
"This section" refers to the regular items section of the inventory.
Anyway, let´s take a look at the most important plume, the small black one. This
part costs around 35 Euro.
In this set the small black one is not used in the build, but Bricklink categorize
this item not as an extra item. This is one of the sets were the inventory doesn´t
say "on a sprue". Is that also correct or an error from Bricklink meaning
that this plume should be considered as an extra irem?
See above.
If it is not an error: Take a look at the sellers for this set. Some dont state
they have something missing and their description says something like this: "Complete,
with instructions, no box" and with a price tag of 20 Euro.
You know where I am getting to. The small black plume alone has way more value
than some sets that are offered "complete". In my opinion that is clearly
misguiding or even blatant fraud.
If I am buying all offers that are complete from the lower end of the prices,
I can guarantee you, that all will be missing the small black plume. So do I
have a case here, when I buy one of these low priced "complete" sets?
And can I demand afterwards to get the small black plume or a compensation as
I paid for a "complete" set? ...
"Used, complete" means all parts are included to build the model according
to the instructions. It does not mean that all parts from the regular items section
are included.
See https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=102
There are many sets especially from the 1980s and 1990s which came with additional
parts that are not shown in the instructions but are definitely not "extra
parts". Sometimes they are needed to build alternate models shown on the
box. Such parts are listed as regular parts in the set inventory on BrickLink
because they are usually included in the official piece count.
Again, see https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1562 for more information
about the regular items section.
I emphasize this again:
Definition of complete used set: "Complete - Set contains all parts necessary
to build all of the models (including alternate models) in the instructions but
does not have to contain the original box/packaging and/or extra parts."
So a complete used set do NOT need to have all the parts in the "regular"
section.
--- a set with all parts of 6035 extra the two plumes not used in the builds
of this set can be listed "complete" per the mere definition on Bricklink.
As a seller, I add a note that my set do not come with extra plumes to avoid
confusion.
As a side note to catalog admin: the definition can be more detailed, with an
example. For example:
Complete - Set contains all parts necessary to build all of the models (including
alternate models) in the instructions but does not have to contain the original
box/packaging and/or extra parts and/or all parts in the regular section. Example:
set 6035 with all parts in the regular section except the black plumes... can
be listed complete.
If the sets do not need to have the plumes to make the set complete, then any
non-used plumes need to be moved to the "extra" pieces section. This
will avoid all confusion here, I think.
Correct, but the problem is apparently that sometimes it is not 100% clear how
the alternates are build. So I guess they will never be moved into the extra
items and have to be included in the sets to make them complete.
Correct, but the problem is apparently that sometimes it is not 100% clear how
the alternates are build. So I guess they will never be moved into the extra
items and have to be included in the sets to make them complete.
THEY ARE NOT NEEDED TO MAKE A SET COMPLETE.
Items for Sale Condition
Complete - Set contains all parts necessary to build all of the models (including
alternate models) in the instructions
Martin_MD I think you are mistaking the requirements for this. It doesn't
matter if the part is standard, counterpart, or extra. If it is not needed
to build all the models in the instructions then it doesn't need to be included
for the set to still be complete. The alternate builds for older sets like classic
castle don't have instructions.
If they are NOT needed to complete the sets the not needed plumes should be listed
as extra and not as a regular item! But they are regular, so all of the sets
are incomplete!
In General, WhiteHorseMatt writes:
In General, yorbrick writes:
In General, Martin_MD writes:
Correct, but the problem is apparently that sometimes it is not 100% clear how
the alternates are build. So I guess they will never be moved into the extra
items and have to be included in the sets to make them complete.
THEY ARE NOT NEEDED TO MAKE A SET COMPLETE.
Items for Sale Condition
Complete - Set contains all parts necessary to build all of the models (including
alternate models) in the instructions
Martin_MD I think you are mistaking the requirements for this. It doesn't
matter if the part is standard, counterpart, or extra. If it is not needed
to build all the models in the instructions then it doesn't need to be included
for the set to still be complete. The alternate builds for older sets like classic
castle don't have instructions.
If they are NOT needed to complete the sets the not needed plumes should be listed
as extra and not as a regular item! But they are regular, so all of the sets
are incomplete!
Again. The inventories are written based on what is contained in NEW SEALED sets
and not what is needed to build the set, and so what is necessary for a USED
COMPLETE set.
Historically these parts were listed as extras but were moved based on the new
set inventories. The same happens with modern sets that contain small bags of
multiple parts such as range finders for Star Wars helmets.
You don't seem to understand the difference between regular parts that were
in a new set, and what is necessary to build a used set. Not all regular parts
are needed to build a used set.
So yeah it´s very convient and easy to sell those sets as "complete"
but still missing the expensive plumes
That´s a very wrong approach
In General, yorbrick writes:
In General, Martin_MD writes:
If they are NOT needed to complete the sets the not needed plumes should be listed
as extra and not as a regular item! But they are regular, so all of the sets
are incomplete!
Again. The inventories are written based on what is contained in NEW SEALED sets
and not what is needed to build the set, and so what is necessary for a USED
COMPLETE set.
Historically these parts were listed as extras but were moved based on the new
set inventories. The same happens with modern sets that contain small bags of
multiple parts such as range finders for Star Wars helmets.
You don't seem to understand the difference between regular parts that were
in a new set, and what is necessary to build a used set. Not all regular parts
are needed to build a used set.
Sellers should probably mention they aren't including the extra, unused plumes
to avoid having a poorly informed buyer complain after buying the used/complete
set. Now that you understand the rule, I'm not sure why you personally continue
to have a problem with it.
In General, Martin_MD writes:
So yeah it´s very convient and easy to sell those sets as "complete"
but still missing the expensive plumes
That´s a very wrong approach
In General, yorbrick writes:
In General, Martin_MD writes:
If they are NOT needed to complete the sets the not needed plumes should be listed
as extra and not as a regular item! But they are regular, so all of the sets
are incomplete!
Again. The inventories are written based on what is contained in NEW SEALED sets
and not what is needed to build the set, and so what is necessary for a USED
COMPLETE set.
Historically these parts were listed as extras but were moved based on the new
set inventories. The same happens with modern sets that contain small bags of
multiple parts such as range finders for Star Wars helmets.
You don't seem to understand the difference between regular parts that were
in a new set, and what is necessary to build a used set. Not all regular parts
are needed to build a used set.
If the sets do not need to have the plumes to make the set complete, then any
non-used plumes need to be moved to the "extra" pieces section. This
will avoid all confusion here, I think.
That's where they used to be until it was decided to move them to natch what
was in a new set.
Recently I started to take a look at old Forestmen & Castle sets. I recognized
that the small plumes from every colour always came within a set of three.
I have thought they always came together on a sprue. But the part above only
has seven sets appearances. But there are way more sets with all three plumes.
Is that an inventory error or did the plumes came already separated in some sets?
As has been mentioned in this thread, the classic plumes (used until ~2004) always
came on sprues, but the complete sprue cannot be listed in the set inventory
when one or more plumes are included in the minifigures.
See https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1562
Parts on Sprues - Complete sprues are included in this section unless
some parts from the sprues are used in minifigures. In that case, the parts from
the sprues that are not used in minifigures are included in this section.
"This section" refers to the regular items section of the inventory.
Anyway, let´s take a look at the most important plume, the small black one. This
part costs around 35 Euro.
In this set the small black one is not used in the build, but Bricklink categorize
this item not as an extra item. This is one of the sets were the inventory doesn´t
say "on a sprue". Is that also correct or an error from Bricklink meaning
that this plume should be considered as an extra irem?
See above.
If it is not an error: Take a look at the sellers for this set. Some dont state
they have something missing and their description says something like this: "Complete,
with instructions, no box" and with a price tag of 20 Euro.
You know where I am getting to. The small black plume alone has way more value
than some sets that are offered "complete". In my opinion that is clearly
misguiding or even blatant fraud.
If I am buying all offers that are complete from the lower end of the prices,
I can guarantee you, that all will be missing the small black plume. So do I
have a case here, when I buy one of these low priced "complete" sets?
And can I demand afterwards to get the small black plume or a compensation as
I paid for a "complete" set? ...
"Used, complete" means all parts are included to build the model according
to the instructions. It does not mean that all parts from the regular items section
are included.
See https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=102
There are many sets especially from the 1980s and 1990s which came with additional
parts that are not shown in the instructions but are definitely not "extra
parts". Sometimes they are needed to build alternate models shown on the
box. Such parts are listed as regular parts in the set inventory on BrickLink
because they are usually included in the official piece count.
Again, see https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1562 for more information
about the regular items section.
I emphasize this again:
Definition of complete used set: "Complete - Set contains all parts necessary
to build all of the models (including alternate models) in the instructions but
does not have to contain the original box/packaging and/or extra parts."
So a complete used set do NOT need to have all the parts in the "regular"
section.
--- a set with all parts of 6035 extra the two plumes not used in the builds
of this set can be listed "complete" per the mere definition on Bricklink.
As a seller, I add a note that my set do not come with extra plumes to avoid
confusion.
As a side note to catalog admin: the definition can be more detailed, with an
example. For example:
Complete - Set contains all parts necessary to build all of the models (including
alternate models) in the instructions but does not have to contain the original
box/packaging and/or extra parts and/or all parts in the regular section. Example:
set 6035 with all parts in the regular section except the black plumes... can
be listed complete.
If the sets do not need to have the plumes to make the set complete, then any
non-used plumes need to be moved to the "extra" pieces section. This
will avoid all confusion here, I think.
This creates another problem: "inconsistency"
The plumes were on sprues:
And this sprue should be in the regular section. An extra part is in general
a part that sometimes appeared in some productions of a set, and not all of them.
The sprue should be in the regular section because at least one of its plumes
were used to build a minifig. The issue is that the minifigs appear or should
appear assembled --- one of the plumes from this sprue is used to build
a minifig and therefore if they also keep the sprue as complete, then there will
be two of one plumes in the inventory. One solution is how they are handling
it: one plume is used for a minifig and the other two in the regular section.
Creating an incomplete sprue missing one plume is not ideal neither. So this
is what we have got for now.
One of my favorite sets is an example of parts included in the inventory that
only appear on a back of the box build and therefore don't need to be included.
6075-2 (375) comes with 2 1x1 blue bricks that appear in an alternate box model,
but not in the instructions or pictures of alternate builds on the last page
of the instructions. Rather, only on the box. I think there may actually be
some missing gray plates from the inventory or else the back of the box build
cheats (since I've built it and it doesn't work without adding some).
Interestingly, it's nearly impossible to ever know what parts are needed
in these alternative instruction or box builds because they don't have real
instructions and you almost never see the entire build.
In General, Turez writes:
In General, Martin_MD writes:
Recently I started to take a look at old Forestmen & Castle sets. I recognized
that the small plumes from every colour always came within a set of three.
I have thought they always came together on a sprue. But the part above only
has seven sets appearances. But there are way more sets with all three plumes.
Is that an inventory error or did the plumes came already separated in some sets?
As has been mentioned in this thread, the classic plumes (used until ~2004) always
came on sprues, but the complete sprue cannot be listed in the set inventory
when one or more plumes are included in the minifigures.
See https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1562
Parts on Sprues - Complete sprues are included in this section unless
some parts from the sprues are used in minifigures. In that case, the parts from
the sprues that are not used in minifigures are included in this section.
"This section" refers to the regular items section of the inventory.
Anyway, let´s take a look at the most important plume, the small black one. This
part costs around 35 Euro.
In this set the small black one is not used in the build, but Bricklink categorize
this item not as an extra item. This is one of the sets were the inventory doesn´t
say "on a sprue". Is that also correct or an error from Bricklink meaning
that this plume should be considered as an extra irem?
See above.
If it is not an error: Take a look at the sellers for this set. Some dont state
they have something missing and their description says something like this: "Complete,
with instructions, no box" and with a price tag of 20 Euro.
You know where I am getting to. The small black plume alone has way more value
than some sets that are offered "complete". In my opinion that is clearly
misguiding or even blatant fraud.
If I am buying all offers that are complete from the lower end of the prices,
I can guarantee you, that all will be missing the small black plume. So do I
have a case here, when I buy one of these low priced "complete" sets?
And can I demand afterwards to get the small black plume or a compensation as
I paid for a "complete" set? ...
"Used, complete" means all parts are included to build the model according
to the instructions. It does not mean that all parts from the regular items section
are included.
See https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=102
There are many sets especially from the 1980s and 1990s which came with additional
parts that are not shown in the instructions but are definitely not "extra
parts". Sometimes they are needed to build alternate models shown on the
box. Such parts are listed as regular parts in the set inventory on BrickLink
because they are usually included in the official piece count.
Again, see https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1562 for more information
about the regular items section.
Recently I started to take a look at old Forestmen & Castle sets. I recognized
that the small plumes from every colour always came within a set of three.
I have thought they always came together on a sprue. But the part above only
has seven sets appearances. But there are way more sets with all three plumes.
Is that an inventory error or did the plumes came already separated in some sets?
Anyway, let´s take a look at the most important plume, the small black one. This
part costs around 35 Euro.
In this set the small black one is not used in the build, but Bricklink categorize
this item not as an extra item. This is one of the sets were the inventory doesn´t
say "on a sprue". Is that also correct or an error from Bricklink meaning
that this plume should be considered as an extra irem?
If it is not an error: Take a look at the sellers for this set. Some dont state
they have something missing and their description says something like this: "Complete,
with instructions, no box" and with a price tag of 20 Euro.
You know where I am getting to. The small black plume alone has way more value
than some sets that are offered "complete". In my opinion that is clearly
misguiding or even blatant fraud.
If I am buying all offers that are complete from the lower end of the prices,
I can guarantee you, that all will be missing the small black plume. So do I
have a case here, when I buy one of these low priced "complete" sets?
And can I demand afterwards to get the small black plume or a compensation as
I paid for a "complete" set? ...
So you know the part isn't included and you want to know if you can "demand
compensation".
I do see blatant fraud but not with the listings.
I wonder how many blocks this thread has added.
So you know the part isn't included and you want to know if you can "demand
compensation".
I do see blatant fraud but not with the listings.
I wonder how many blocks this thread has added.
Recently I started to take a look at old Forestmen & Castle sets. I recognized
that the small plumes from every colour always came within a set of three.
I have thought they always came together on a sprue. But the part above only
has seven sets appearances. But there are way more sets with all three plumes.
Is that an inventory error or did the plumes came already separated in some sets?
Anyway, let´s take a look at the most important plume, the small black one. This
part costs around 35 Euro.
In this set the small black one is not used in the build, but Bricklink categorize
this item not as an extra item. This is one of the sets were the inventory doesn´t
say "on a sprue". Is that also correct or an error from Bricklink meaning
that this plume should be considered as an extra irem?
If it is not an error: Take a look at the sellers for this set. Some dont state
they have something missing and their description says something like this: "Complete,
with instructions, no box" and with a price tag of 20 Euro.
You know where I am getting to. The small black plume alone has way more value
than some sets that are offered "complete". In my opinion that is clearly
misguiding or even blatant fraud.
If I am buying all offers that are complete from the lower end of the prices,
I can guarantee you, that all will be missing the small black plume. So do I
have a case here, when I buy one of these low priced "complete" sets?
And can I demand afterwards to get the small black plume or a compensation as
I paid for a "complete" set? ...
So you know the part isn't included and you want to know if you can "demand
compensation".
I do see blatant fraud but not with the listings.
I wonder how many blocks this thread has added.
Recently I started to take a look at old Forestmen & Castle sets. I recognized
that the small plumes from every colour always came within a set of three.
I have thought they always came together on a sprue. But the part above only
has seven sets appearances. But there are way more sets with all three plumes.
Is that an inventory error or did the plumes came already separated in some sets?
Anyway, let´s take a look at the most important plume, the small black one. This
part costs around 35 Euro.
In this set the small black one is not used in the build, but Bricklink categorize
this item not as an extra item. This is one of the sets were the inventory doesn´t
say "on a sprue". Is that also correct or an error from Bricklink meaning
that this plume should be considered as an extra irem?
If it is not an error: Take a look at the sellers for this set. Some dont state
they have something missing and their description says something like this: "Complete,
with instructions, no box" and with a price tag of 20 Euro.
You know where I am getting to. The small black plume alone has way more value
than some sets that are offered "complete". In my opinion that is clearly
misguiding or even blatant fraud.
If I am buying all offers that are complete from the lower end of the prices,
I can guarantee you, that all will be missing the small black plume. So do I
have a case here, when I buy one of these low priced "complete" sets?
And can I demand afterwards to get the small black plume or a compensation as
I paid for a "complete" set? ...
So you know the part isn't included and you want to know if you can "demand
compensation".
I do see blatant fraud but not with the listings.
I wonder how many blocks this thread has added.
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Really?!!
A user brought up his concern about a potential bad practice of listing things
and wanted to know what and how he would be backed up and you talk about blocking
him?!
Would you want this forum to appear a dangerous and risky place for newbies making
them feel unsecure to talk about anything for they may be blocked by some sellers?!
He is confused about a very confusing definition of a used complete set. I was
used to be confused about it too and I had asked myself the same exact question
a few years ago. I also asked myself what if I paid but seller didn't send
me anything, or I didn't receive any thing, or if seller didn't send
my complete order, then how I could get refunded. I guess you already discovered
my true color and this is way more than enough for you to block me.
P.S. I just sent a small coupon to the OP, Martin_MD. Sorry for this. Most sellers
are welcoming.
A user brought up his concern about a potential bad practice of listing things
and wanted to know what and how he would be backed up and you talk about blocking
him?!
Would you want this forum to appear a dangerous and risky place for newbies making
them feel unsecure to talk about anything for they may be blocked by some sellers?!
He is confused about a very confusing definition of a used complete set. I was
used to be confused about it too and I had asked myself the same exact question
a few years ago. I also asked myself what if I paid but seller didn't send
me anything, or I didn't receive any thing, or if seller didn't send
my complete order, then how I could get refunded. I guess you already discovered
my true color and this is way more than enough for you to block me.
P.S. I just sent a small coupon to the OP, Martin_MD. Sorry for this. Most sellers
are welcoming.
There is nothing wrong with their question but knowing something is listed wrong
(if it was or not) and buying it so you can demand anything at all, is what I
am talking about.
I should have posted the replies that were on another forum but I feel this thread
said plenty as it is.
And can I demand afterwards to get the small black plume or a compensation as
I paid for a "complete" set? ...
So you know the part isn't included and you want to know if you can "demand
compensation".
I do see blatant fraud but not with the listings.
I wonder how many blocks this thread has added.
See this other thread by the same user to illustrate:
What has a missing imprint (which is law here in the EU) to do with selling incomplete
sets?
In General, CanadaFirst writes:
(snip)
And can I demand afterwards to get the small black plume or a compensation as
I paid for a "complete" set? ...
So you know the part isn't included and you want to know if you can "demand
compensation".
I do see blatant fraud but not with the listings.
I wonder how many blocks this thread has added.
See this other thread by the same user to illustrate:
What has a missing imprint (which is law here in the EU) to do with selling incomplete
sets?
In General, CanadaFirst writes:
(snip)
And can I demand afterwards to get the small black plume or a compensation as
I paid for a "complete" set? ...
So you know the part isn't included and you want to know if you can "demand
compensation".
I do see blatant fraud but not with the listings.
I wonder how many blocks this thread has added.
See this other thread by the same user to illustrate:
Nothing. But it does look a bit like you are spending a lot of time trawling
the site looking for minor inconsistencies and making more of them than need
be.
You know where I am getting to. The small black plume alone has way more value
than some sets that are offered "complete". In my opinion that is clearly
misguiding or even blatant fraud.
If I am buying all offers that are complete from the lower end of the prices,
I can guarantee you, that all will be missing the small black plume. So do I
have a case here, when I buy one of these low priced "complete" sets?
And can I demand afterwards to get the small black plume or a compensation as
I paid for a "complete" set? ...
You were told what the rule was four months ago...
You know where I am getting to. The small black plume alone has way more value
than some sets that are offered "complete". In my opinion that is clearly
misguiding or even blatant fraud.
If I am buying all offers that are complete from the lower end of the prices,
I can guarantee you, that all will be missing the small black plume. So do I
have a case here, when I buy one of these low priced "complete" sets?
And can I demand afterwards to get the small black plume or a compensation as
I paid for a "complete" set? ...
You were told what the rule was four months ago...
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