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| | | Author: | jedvii  | | Posted: | Aug 16, 2022 16:54 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 71753-1 | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 6342745 (Not Applicable) Cardboard Sleeve 6342745 with Contents (Counterpart)
Comments from Submitter:
This is to add the Cardboard Sleeve 6342745 with the 2 wings as a counterpart to the set. Also the cardboard sleeve with wings does not have a set designation to it.
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| | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Aug 16, 2022 17:18 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 71753-1 | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, jedvii writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 6342745 (Not Applicable) Cardboard Sleeve 6342745 with Contents (Counterpart)
Comments from Submitter:
This is to add the Cardboard Sleeve 6342745 with the 2 wings as a counterpart to the set. Also the cardboard sleeve with wings does not have a set designation to it.
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These cardboard sleeves do not get added to inventories.
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | Author: | jedvii | | Posted: | Aug 16, 2022 20:27 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 71753-1 | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, jedvii writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 6342745 (Not Applicable) Cardboard Sleeve 6342745 with Contents (Counterpart)
Comments from Submitter:
This is to add the Cardboard Sleeve 6342745 with the 2 wings as a counterpart to the set. Also the cardboard sleeve with wings does not have a set designation to it.
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These cardboard sleeves do not get added to inventories.
Cheers,
Randy
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is there a reason why they don't? It comes in a set, so it should at least
be part of an inventory as a counterpart. If they aren't added to inventories,
why even have the entry as a part?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Aug 16, 2022 20:53 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 71753-1 | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, jedvii writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, jedvii writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 6342745 (Not Applicable) Cardboard Sleeve 6342745 with Contents (Counterpart)
Comments from Submitter:
This is to add the Cardboard Sleeve 6342745 with the 2 wings as a counterpart to the set. Also the cardboard sleeve with wings does not have a set designation to it.
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These cardboard sleeves do not get added to inventories.
Cheers,
Randy
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is there a reason why they don't? It comes in a set, so it should at least
be part of an inventory as a counterpart. If they aren't added to inventories,
why even have the entry as a part?
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It's a great reference for sellers to be able to look up a cardboard sleeve
by just the number on the box. 
I don't know the answer as to why they are not counterparts, but I would
guess it falls under a 'where do we draw the line' scenario.
Jen
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jedvii | | Posted: | Aug 16, 2022 21:35 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 71753-1 | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, jennnifer writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, jedvii writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, jedvii writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 6342745 (Not Applicable) Cardboard Sleeve 6342745 with Contents (Counterpart)
Comments from Submitter:
This is to add the Cardboard Sleeve 6342745 with the 2 wings as a counterpart to the set. Also the cardboard sleeve with wings does not have a set designation to it.
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These cardboard sleeves do not get added to inventories.
Cheers,
Randy
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is there a reason why they don't? It comes in a set, so it should at least
be part of an inventory as a counterpart. If they aren't added to inventories,
why even have the entry as a part?
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It's a great reference for sellers to be able to look up a cardboard sleeve
by just the number on the box.
I don't know the answer as to why they are not counterparts, but I would
guess it falls under a 'where do we draw the line' scenario.
Jen
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I get that, but for boxes that come with different parts in them, I'd rather
leave the parts in the boxes. For Rubber Bands, I leave the parts in the box,
but there's only one in the box. String that's wrapped around a piece
of cardboard doesn't get unwrapped, but I don't list it as being on cardboard,
it just is. With these two wing parts, I feel like there should be an entry
because there's two. Maybe that's where the line should be drawn, if
there's multiple items in 1 box.
If I'm buying parts, I would really like to know if parts in a set came in
a box, as I'd want to seek that out. I don't see why adding a counterpart
is a bad thing.
-jed
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Turez | | Posted: | Aug 17, 2022 04:07 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 71753-1 | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, jedvii writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, jennnifer writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, jedvii writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, jedvii writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 6342745 (Not Applicable) Cardboard Sleeve 6342745 with Contents (Counterpart)
Comments from Submitter:
This is to add the Cardboard Sleeve 6342745 with the 2 wings as a counterpart to the set. Also the cardboard sleeve with wings does not have a set designation to it.
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These cardboard sleeves do not get added to inventories.
Cheers,
Randy
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is there a reason why they don't? It comes in a set, so it should at least
be part of an inventory as a counterpart. If they aren't added to inventories,
why even have the entry as a part?
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It's a great reference for sellers to be able to look up a cardboard sleeve
by just the number on the box.
I don't know the answer as to why they are not counterparts, but I would
guess it falls under a 'where do we draw the line' scenario.
Jen
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I get that, but for boxes that come with different parts in them, I'd rather
leave the parts in the boxes. For Rubber Bands, I leave the parts in the box,
but there's only one in the box. String that's wrapped around a piece
of cardboard doesn't get unwrapped, but I don't list it as being on cardboard,
it just is. With these two wing parts, I feel like there should be an entry
because there's two. Maybe that's where the line should be drawn, if
there's multiple items in 1 box.
If I'm buying parts, I would really like to know if parts in a set came in
a box, as I'd want to seek that out. I don't see why adding a counterpart
is a bad thing.
-jed
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Cardboard sleeves don't meet the criteria for counterparts. See
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1562
Besides that, BrickLink (as a marketplace) doesn't want to encourage sellers
to list cardboard sleeves in their stores instead of the actual parts. Imagine
you'd go to a store and instead of parts like rubber bands, capes, flags
etc. you would just see a long list of cardboard sleeves with no indication about
the contents, and you would need to open all the inventories to find out what
parts are actually included.
The cardboard sleeve entries are here so you can check what they contain (without
opening them), but not for commercial activity or anything else.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Aug 17, 2022 07:54 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 71753-1 | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| I have shared Jedvii's frustration.
In Inventories Requests, Turez writes:
This is never a satisfying type of answer. Bricklink decides what the criteria
will be, so our hands are never tied by the criteria. They don't fit the
criteria because the criteria have not been allowed to include them.
| | Besides that, BrickLink (as a marketplace) doesn't want to encourage sellers
to list cardboard sleeves in their stores instead of the actual parts. Imagine
you'd go to a store and instead of parts like rubber bands, capes, flags
etc. you would just see a long list of cardboard sleeves with no indication about
the contents, and you would need to open all the inventories to find out what
parts are actually included.
The cardboard sleeve entries are here so you can check what they contain (without
opening them), but not for commercial activity or anything else.
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This answer is better, but I believe sellers who try to sell a bunch of sleeves
will find out for themselves whether it works for them. I think it is likely
that it wouldn't. And I don't think putting them in as counterparts
would really encourage sellers to list them that way. Counterparts disappear
in a partout. I wish they didn't, but they do. A seller would still have
to open the catalog page for the sleeve and list it manually.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | normann1974 | | Posted: | Aug 19, 2022 14:30 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 71753-1 | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, axaday writes:
| | I have shared Jedvii's frustration.
In Inventories Requests, Turez writes:
This is never a satisfying type of answer. Bricklink decides what the criteria
will be, so our hands are never tied by the criteria. They don't fit the
criteria because the criteria have not been allowed to include them.
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I had the exact same question and discussion a while ago, and the answer was
the same. IMHO, the criteria should be changed and cardboard sleeves added as
counterparts. The way it is now, notes must be updated every time a cardboard
sleeve is found in a newly released set.
/Jan
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Turez | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2022 16:14 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 71753-1 | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, normann1974 writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, axaday writes:
| | I have shared Jedvii's frustration.
In Inventories Requests, Turez writes:
This is never a satisfying type of answer. Bricklink decides what the criteria
will be, so our hands are never tied by the criteria. They don't fit the
criteria because the criteria have not been allowed to include them.
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I had the exact same question and discussion a while ago, and the answer was
the same. IMHO, the criteria should be changed and cardboard sleeves added as
counterparts. The way it is now, notes must be updated every time a cardboard
sleeve is found in a newly released set.
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The current situation is certainly not perfect (but then again, submitting a
request for a note change is not that much more time-consuming than submitting
an inventory change request, is it?) and I see there are good arguments why the
cardboard sleeves should be added to inventories.
However, the cardboard sleeves are not officially described as part of the set
anywhere. They basically just belong to the packaging, and adding them to set
inventories would likely lead to other discussions whether more parts of the
packaging (inner cardboard boxes, plastic trays, maybe even complete sealed polybags)
could be added as well. That would change the nature of the counterparts section
fundamentally.
The question if we want to allow such a change is not so much a question about
arguments, but more about personal preferences. When those sleeves were first
added to the catalog, the admin team was in agreement not to add them to inventories,
and (from what I know) this has not changed since then.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jedvii | | Posted: | Aug 25, 2022 12:49 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 71753-1 | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, Turez writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, normann1974 writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, axaday writes:
| | I have shared Jedvii's frustration.
In Inventories Requests, Turez writes:
This is never a satisfying type of answer. Bricklink decides what the criteria
will be, so our hands are never tied by the criteria. They don't fit the
criteria because the criteria have not been allowed to include them.
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I had the exact same question and discussion a while ago, and the answer was
the same. IMHO, the criteria should be changed and cardboard sleeves added as
counterparts. The way it is now, notes must be updated every time a cardboard
sleeve is found in a newly released set.
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The current situation is certainly not perfect (but then again, submitting a
request for a note change is not that much more time-consuming than submitting
an inventory change request, is it?) and I see there are good arguments why the
cardboard sleeves should be added to inventories.
However, the cardboard sleeves are not officially described as part of the set
anywhere. They basically just belong to the packaging, and adding them to set
inventories would likely lead to other discussions whether more parts of the
packaging (inner cardboard boxes, plastic trays, maybe even complete sealed polybags)
could be added as well. That would change the nature of the counterparts section
fundamentally.
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A cardboard sleeve with a unique number is not merely packaging. I can see where
there's a slippery slope on opening discussion of other types of pre-packaged
items should be included, but I would argue that there is an obvious difference
between a cardboard sleeve with a unique easily identifiable number containing
1 rubber band, or 2 dragon wings and a sealed polybag with a generic single digit
number on it containing many parts.
| | The question if we want to allow such a change is not so much a question about
arguments, but more about personal preferences. When those sleeves were first
added to the catalog, the admin team was in agreement not to add them to inventories,
and (from what I know) this has not changed since then.
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Just because it was done one way before doesn't mean it can't be done
a different way going forward. You guys set the rules. You guys can change
the rules. There's no reason it can't be done other than you don't
want to. You should just say that.
-jed
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Aug 25, 2022 14:25 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 71753-1 | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, jedvii writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, Turez writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, normann1974 writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, axaday writes:
| | I have shared Jedvii's frustration.
In Inventories Requests, Turez writes:
This is never a satisfying type of answer. Bricklink decides what the criteria
will be, so our hands are never tied by the criteria. They don't fit the
criteria because the criteria have not been allowed to include them.
|
I had the exact same question and discussion a while ago, and the answer was
the same. IMHO, the criteria should be changed and cardboard sleeves added as
counterparts. The way it is now, notes must be updated every time a cardboard
sleeve is found in a newly released set.
|
The current situation is certainly not perfect (but then again, submitting a
request for a note change is not that much more time-consuming than submitting
an inventory change request, is it?) and I see there are good arguments why the
cardboard sleeves should be added to inventories.
However, the cardboard sleeves are not officially described as part of the set
anywhere. They basically just belong to the packaging, and adding them to set
inventories would likely lead to other discussions whether more parts of the
packaging (inner cardboard boxes, plastic trays, maybe even complete sealed polybags)
could be added as well. That would change the nature of the counterparts section
fundamentally.
|
A cardboard sleeve with a unique number is not merely packaging. I can see where
there's a slippery slope on opening discussion of other types of pre-packaged
items should be included, but I would argue that there is an obvious difference
between a cardboard sleeve with a unique easily identifiable number containing
1 rubber band, or 2 dragon wings and a sealed polybag with a generic single digit
number on it containing many parts.
| | The question if we want to allow such a change is not so much a question about
arguments, but more about personal preferences. When those sleeves were first
added to the catalog, the admin team was in agreement not to add them to inventories,
and (from what I know) this has not changed since then.
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Just because it was done one way before doesn't mean it can't be done
a different way going forward. You guys set the rules. You guys can change
the rules. There's no reason it can't be done other than you don't
want to. You should just say that.
-jed
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We don't want to. 
Adding cardboard sleeves to the catalog was an idea originated and initiated
by me to alleviate sellers having to constantly ask in the forums over the years
what is in a specific cardboard sleeve. That was the intended purpose of the
entries, and the entries serve that purpose by having inventories.
The reason we have strict definitions for the inventory sections is because we
are trying to force the site into a certain direction, which is eventually having
two inventories for each set: what a new set contains, and what a used set contains.
We do not want the counterparts area to be a dumping ground for anything that
doesn't fit the other sections, because that would cause a bunch of rework
in the future if our vision comes to fruition. The counterparts section has a
specific purpose just like the others, and we are going to stick by our definitions
of the sections. This is why the cardboard sleeve entries all state what sets
the sleeves come in instead of being included in inventories. It may not be the
solution you would like, but it is the solution we have chosen.
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Aug 25, 2022 14:30 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 71753-1 | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | We don't want to.
Adding cardboard sleeves to the catalog was an idea originated and initiated
by me to alleviate sellers having to constantly ask in the forums over the years
what is in a specific cardboard sleeve. That was the intended purpose of the
entries, and the entries serve that purpose by having inventories.
The reason we have strict definitions for the inventory sections is because we
are trying to force the site into a certain direction, which is eventually having
two inventories for each set: what a new set contains, and what a used set contains.
We do not want the counterparts area to be a dumping ground for anything that
doesn't fit the other sections, because that would cause a bunch of rework
in the future if our vision comes to fruition. The counterparts section has a
specific purpose just like the others, and we are going to stick by our definitions
of the sections. This is why the cardboard sleeve entries all state what sets
the sleeves come in instead of being included in inventories. It may not be the
solution you would like, but it is the solution we have chosen.
Cheers,
Randy
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Ok, that's a pretty good answer.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jedvii | | Posted: | Aug 25, 2022 20:58 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 71753-1 | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, jedvii writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, Turez writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, normann1974 writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, axaday writes:
| | I have shared Jedvii's frustration.
In Inventories Requests, Turez writes:
This is never a satisfying type of answer. Bricklink decides what the criteria
will be, so our hands are never tied by the criteria. They don't fit the
criteria because the criteria have not been allowed to include them.
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I had the exact same question and discussion a while ago, and the answer was
the same. IMHO, the criteria should be changed and cardboard sleeves added as
counterparts. The way it is now, notes must be updated every time a cardboard
sleeve is found in a newly released set.
|
The current situation is certainly not perfect (but then again, submitting a
request for a note change is not that much more time-consuming than submitting
an inventory change request, is it?) and I see there are good arguments why the
cardboard sleeves should be added to inventories.
However, the cardboard sleeves are not officially described as part of the set
anywhere. They basically just belong to the packaging, and adding them to set
inventories would likely lead to other discussions whether more parts of the
packaging (inner cardboard boxes, plastic trays, maybe even complete sealed polybags)
could be added as well. That would change the nature of the counterparts section
fundamentally.
|
A cardboard sleeve with a unique number is not merely packaging. I can see where
there's a slippery slope on opening discussion of other types of pre-packaged
items should be included, but I would argue that there is an obvious difference
between a cardboard sleeve with a unique easily identifiable number containing
1 rubber band, or 2 dragon wings and a sealed polybag with a generic single digit
number on it containing many parts.
| | The question if we want to allow such a change is not so much a question about
arguments, but more about personal preferences. When those sleeves were first
added to the catalog, the admin team was in agreement not to add them to inventories,
and (from what I know) this has not changed since then.
|
Just because it was done one way before doesn't mean it can't be done
a different way going forward. You guys set the rules. You guys can change
the rules. There's no reason it can't be done other than you don't
want to. You should just say that.
-jed
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We don't want to.
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At least an honest response.
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Adding cardboard sleeves to the catalog was an idea originated and initiated
by me to alleviate sellers having to constantly ask in the forums over the years
what is in a specific cardboard sleeve. That was the intended purpose of the
entries, and the entries serve that purpose by having inventories.
The reason we have strict definitions for the inventory sections is because we
are trying to force the site into a certain direction, which is eventually having
two inventories for each set: what a new set contains, and what a used set contains.
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what does this even mean?
| | We do not want the counterparts area to be a dumping ground for anything that
doesn't fit the other sections, because that would cause a bunch of rework
in the future if our vision comes to fruition. The counterparts section has a
specific purpose just like the others, and we are going to stick by our definitions
of the sections. This is why the cardboard sleeve entries all state what sets
the sleeves come in instead of being included in inventories. It may not be the
solution you would like, but it is the solution we have chosen.
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Aug 25, 2022 15:27 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 71753-1 | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, jedvii writes:
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A cardboard sleeve with a unique number is not merely packaging. I can see where
there's a slippery slope on opening discussion of other types of pre-packaged
items should be included, but I would argue that there is an obvious difference
between a cardboard sleeve with a unique easily identifiable number containing
1 rubber band, or 2 dragon wings and a sealed polybag with a generic single digit
number on it containing many parts.
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I have been finding more and more parts are coming packaged with a box/envelope/polybag
clearly marked with unique number code. Instruction envelopes, electronics boxes,
the white cardboard boxes that separate parts in larger sets, etc. I don't
think we are only trying to differentiate small cardboard sleeves from the 1,2,3...
marked polybags you are referring to.
I would rather wait until our site can handle these types of parts/packaging
better.
Jen
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jedvii | | Posted: | Aug 25, 2022 21:04 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 71753-1 | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, jennnifer writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, jedvii writes:
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A cardboard sleeve with a unique number is not merely packaging. I can see where
there's a slippery slope on opening discussion of other types of pre-packaged
items should be included, but I would argue that there is an obvious difference
between a cardboard sleeve with a unique easily identifiable number containing
1 rubber band, or 2 dragon wings and a sealed polybag with a generic single digit
number on it containing many parts.
|
I have been finding more and more parts are coming packaged with a box/envelope/polybag
clearly marked with unique number code. Instruction envelopes, electronics boxes,
the white cardboard boxes that separate parts in larger sets, etc. I don't
think we are only trying to differentiate small cardboard sleeves from the 1,2,3...
marked polybags you are referring to.
I would rather wait until our site can handle these types of parts/packaging
better.
Jen
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Honestly, the only reason I care is because LEGO decided to pack the Left and
the Right wing in set 71753 in to 1 cardboard sleeve. I want to store and sell
them together (I made a super lot). I don't want to unpack them because
then I've got to work out which is left and which is right and keep them
flat and yada yada yada. It's 1000% easier to keep them in the box and if
the set inventory listed them as coming in a box together, then maybe people
would buy them that way instead of buying them separately.
I don't care if the x71 rubber band comes in a box because there's just
the one in the box and if someone orders it, I can send the box, or not send
the box and no one cares. String, I might care because I'd be super annoyed
if someone sold me the string and just balled it up and put it in a bag.
-jed
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jedvii | | Posted: | Aug 17, 2022 11:21 | | Subject: | sleeves vs special assembly vs sprue | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, Turez writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, jedvii writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, jennnifer writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, jedvii writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, jedvii writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 6342745 (Not Applicable) Cardboard Sleeve 6342745 with Contents (Counterpart)
Comments from Submitter:
This is to add the Cardboard Sleeve 6342745 with the 2 wings as a counterpart to the set. Also the cardboard sleeve with wings does not have a set designation to it.
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These cardboard sleeves do not get added to inventories.
Cheers,
Randy
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is there a reason why they don't? It comes in a set, so it should at least
be part of an inventory as a counterpart. If they aren't added to inventories,
why even have the entry as a part?
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It's a great reference for sellers to be able to look up a cardboard sleeve
by just the number on the box.
I don't know the answer as to why they are not counterparts, but I would
guess it falls under a 'where do we draw the line' scenario.
Jen
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I get that, but for boxes that come with different parts in them, I'd rather
leave the parts in the boxes. For Rubber Bands, I leave the parts in the box,
but there's only one in the box. String that's wrapped around a piece
of cardboard doesn't get unwrapped, but I don't list it as being on cardboard,
it just is. With these two wing parts, I feel like there should be an entry
because there's two. Maybe that's where the line should be drawn, if
there's multiple items in 1 box.
If I'm buying parts, I would really like to know if parts in a set came in
a box, as I'd want to seek that out. I don't see why adding a counterpart
is a bad thing.
-jed
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Cardboard sleeves don't meet the criteria for counterparts. See
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1562
Besides that, BrickLink (as a marketplace) doesn't want to encourage sellers
to list cardboard sleeves in their stores instead of the actual parts. Imagine
you'd go to a store and instead of parts like rubber bands, capes, flags
etc. you would just see a long list of cardboard sleeves with no indication about
the contents, and you would need to open all the inventories to find out what
parts are actually included.
The cardboard sleeve entries are here so you can check what they contain (without
opening them), but not for commercial activity or anything else.
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that would make sense if all the cardboard sleeves weren't unique to the
number Lego puts on the box. I don't know if that's the case. Looking
at it from a buyer's perspective, I would absolutely want to know if parts
originally came in a sleeve as I would want to try to get them that way. I don't
see how parts in a cardboard sleeve are in any way different than luggabeast
from set 75148. All the parts for Luggabeast are still listed in the main set
inventory. There's no stickers, so "Parts which are either assembled from
or permanently changed from parts in the Regular Items section" wouldn't
include that either, but here we are.
Set 6264 has
listed in the parts, but it only came with 1. One of the horns is part of the
set (and listed in the main part list), but the other two parts of the sprue
are used for the minifigures. That probably needs to be corrected, but I feel
like parts on a sprue are no different that cloth in a sleeve. At bare minimum
there should be some indication on the set page that the set originally came
that way.
The only situation I can understand not listing the sleeve is if the number on
the sleeve isn't unique to the parts and colors inside AND the parts inside
can't be determined by not opening the sleeve (like seeing through the holes
in the box).
-jed
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Turez | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2022 16:36 | | Subject: | Re: sleeves vs special assembly vs sprue | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, jedvii writes:
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see how parts in a cardboard sleeve are in any way different than luggabeast
from set 75148. All the parts for Luggabeast are still listed in the main set
inventory. There's no stickers, so "Parts which are either assembled from
or permanently changed from parts in the Regular Items section" wouldn't
include that either, but here we are.
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The luggabeast is an item assembled from parts in the regular items section,
i.e. it meets the current rules perfectly.
(However, those large assemblies were added as an experiment back in 2018. We
don't add similar assemblies anymore nowadays.)
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Set 6264 has
listed in the parts, but it only came with 1. One of the horns is part of the
set (and listed in the main part list), but the other two parts of the sprue
are used for the minifigures. That probably needs to be corrected,
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Yes, that's a flaw of the current inventory system. We wish we had an option
to list minifigures similar to counterparts. Then, all of the minifigure parts
would just be listed as single parts in the inventory along with the correct
number of sprues.
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like parts on a sprue are no different that cloth in a sleeve.
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See my other answer. A complete sprue is counted and listed in the official parts
lists as one part. That's not the case for cardboard sleeves - they are just
a packaging, and the parts that come in the sleeve are the actual parts that
are listed in official parts lists.
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there should be some indication on the set page that the set originally came
that way.
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Certain parts, like cloth parts, strings, and rubber bands, always come in cardboard
sleeves nowadays. I don't see why it would be necessary to indicate that
anywhere.
If you need to know which and how many cardboard sleeves are included in a certain
set, I'd suggest searching on Youtube for unboxing and building videos.
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The only situation I can understand not listing the sleeve is if the number on
the sleeve isn't unique to the parts and colors inside AND the parts inside
can't be determined by not opening the sleeve (like seeing through the holes
in the box).
-jed
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Aug 21, 2022 04:39 | | Subject: | Re: sleeves vs special assembly vs sprue | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, Turez writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, jedvii writes:
| | I don't
see how parts in a cardboard sleeve are in any way different than luggabeast
from set 75148. All the parts for Luggabeast are still listed in the main set
inventory. There's no stickers, so "Parts which are either assembled from
or permanently changed from parts in the Regular Items section" wouldn't
include that either, but here we are.
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The luggabeast is an item assembled from parts in the regular items section,
i.e. it meets the current rules perfectly.
(However, those large assemblies were added as an experiment back in 2018. We
don't add similar assemblies anymore nowadays.)
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Set 6264 has
listed in the parts, but it only came with 1. One of the horns is part of the
set (and listed in the main part list), but the other two parts of the sprue
are used for the minifigures. That probably needs to be corrected,
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Yes, that's a flaw of the current inventory system. We wish we had an option
to list minifigures similar to counterparts. Then, all of the minifigure parts
would just be listed as single parts in the inventory along with the correct
number of sprues.
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The option is there, it is possible to add minifigs to the counterpart section
and the parts to the main inventory. The problem is with the part out set option
and the minifig view page?
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| | but I feel
like parts on a sprue are no different that cloth in a sleeve.
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See my other answer. A complete sprue is counted and listed in the official parts
lists as one part. That's not the case for cardboard sleeves - they are just
a packaging, and the parts that come in the sleeve are the actual parts that
are listed in official parts lists.
| | At bare minimum
there should be some indication on the set page that the set originally came
that way.
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Certain parts, like cloth parts, strings, and rubber bands, always come in cardboard
sleeves nowadays. I don't see why it would be necessary to indicate that
anywhere.
If you need to know which and how many cardboard sleeves are included in a certain
set, I'd suggest searching on Youtube for unboxing and building videos.
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The only situation I can understand not listing the sleeve is if the number on
the sleeve isn't unique to the parts and colors inside AND the parts inside
can't be determined by not opening the sleeve (like seeing through the holes
in the box).
-jed
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Turez | | Posted: | Aug 21, 2022 05:00 | | Subject: | Re: sleeves vs special assembly vs sprue | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, Stellar writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, Turez writes:
| | Yes, that's a flaw of the current inventory system. We wish we had an option
to list minifigures similar to counterparts. Then, all of the minifigure parts
would just be listed as single parts in the inventory along with the correct
number of sprues.
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The option is there, it is possible to add minifigs to the counterpart section
and the parts to the main inventory. The problem is with the part out set option
and the minifig view page?
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Exactly.
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1356434
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jedvii | | Posted: | Aug 25, 2022 12:40 | | Subject: | cardboard sleeves: absolutely ridiculous | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, Turez writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, jedvii writes:
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The luggabeast is an item assembled from parts in the regular items section,
i.e. it meets the current rules perfectly.
(However, those large assemblies were added as an experiment back in 2018. We
don't add similar assemblies anymore nowadays.)
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Then why keep the old ones?
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Set 6264 has
listed in the parts, but it only came with 1. One of the horns is part of the
set (and listed in the main part list), but the other two parts of the sprue
are used for the minifigures. That probably needs to be corrected,
|
Yes, that's a flaw of the current inventory system. We wish we had an option
to list minifigures similar to counterparts. Then, all of the minifigure parts
would just be listed as single parts in the inventory along with the correct
number of sprues.
| | but I feel
like parts on a sprue are no different that cloth in a sleeve.
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See my other answer. A complete sprue is counted and listed in the official parts
lists as one part. That's not the case for cardboard sleeves - they are just
a packaging, and the parts that come in the sleeve are the actual parts that
are listed in official parts lists.
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That's my point. The sprue and the sleeve are both just packaging. There
is NO reason to include either one. You talk about official part lists, yet
on Bricklink, we include a variety of different things (stickered items, complete
turntables, luggabeasts) that are not on "official part lists", so why the exception
for sleeves? Why even have them listed at all? I feel like if they are going
to be listed as parts, they should at least be connected to the set inventory.
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| | At bare minimum
there should be some indication on the set page that the set originally came
that way.
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Certain parts, like cloth parts, strings, and rubber bands, always come in cardboard
sleeves nowadays. I don't see why it would be necessary to indicate that
anywhere.
If you need to know which and how many cardboard sleeves are included in a certain
set, I'd suggest searching on Youtube for unboxing and building videos.
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That seems pretty glib. I could probably just search up a lot of information
that is presently on Bricklink by searching YouTube for unboxing and building
videos. Come on.
Bricklink changes countless items on a regular basis. Handles become bar handles,
x169 becomes 30191, satin white becomes satin trans-clear, etc. I once complained
about part names being changed and was suggested to just use the numbers, those
don't change. Surprise, they do.
The catalog is what Bricklink makes it. So for Bricklink to say, "we bothered
to make this part designation for cardboard sleeves, but can't put it in
a set inventory because by the most absolute strictest definition of counterpart
(which we totally decided what the definition is) a cardboard sleeve is not a
counterpart."
Just change the definition of counterpart to include cardboard sleeves.
-jed
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