Close to when I started out on Bricklink I bought a large bulk lot of black capes
from another seller maybe 10 years ago as I saw good potential in them for minifig
use and re-sale and have been selling them here myself in small batches at a
time ever since, I also continued to list them under the exact same entry I bought
them, However for the first time in all those years a buyer has just pointed
out to me that I’ve sent them the wrong capes stating I’ve sent them 3.9cm instead
of 4.0cm however nobody has ever brought this to my attention before and so I
can only imagine all those other buyers are either not aware of the 1mm difference,
don't care enough or simply assume I've listed correctly without checking
for themselves?
Either way with them being the same material but just 1mm difference I would
question Bricklinks attempts to separate them like this especially since they
don't add any real noticeable difference when applied to a minifigure plus
any found differences from Legos perspective are almost certainly unintentional
ones so why is Bricklink entertaining such marginal differences like this within
its catalog?
To be clear and before anyone jumps up and down I am already taking full responsibility
for the issue and the buyer is already in the process of being reimbursed in
full however is it really wise to burden sellers with the headache of needing
to measure such fine details on potentially hundreds of capes when I have already
presented years of evidence selling these capes showing most don’t seem to care?
Personally I think there should be one 522 cape entry with a description stating
that dimensions can vary between 3.9-4.0cm
Collectors can still always ask the question if they want a specific variant
but in truth unlike other variants that have more obvious differences to look
for, if a buyer asked me about 1mm difference I’d probably politely just advise
them to buy elsewhere as there is just too much room for error
Either way with them being the same material but just 1mm difference I would
question Bricklinks attempts to separate them like this especially since they
don't add any real noticeable difference when applied to a minifigure plus
any found differences from Legos perspective are almost certainly unintentional
ones so why is Bricklink entertaining such marginal differences like this within
its catalog?
Hello,
My recollection is that the different capes were added as a response to a Loki
figure coming out with the new one (in a cheap set) and collectors and sellers
caring deeply that it wasn't the same as the old one (in an expensive set).
At the time, variants that weren't split were not well-documented. So, I
also thought it was important to add the new one to the Catalog so buyers couldn't
cry 'Fake!' when they came across one.
Lastly, the fabric IS different. It's just not discernible without direct
comparison. Since the Catalog can't ask sellers to be able to tell differences
like that, the 1mm attribute is the only one noted.
I am not invested in their being merged or not, just describing the scenario.
Either way with them being the same material but just 1mm difference I would
question Bricklinks attempts to separate them like this especially since they
don't add any real noticeable difference when applied to a minifigure plus
any found differences from Legos perspective are almost certainly unintentional
ones so why is Bricklink entertaining such marginal differences like this within
its catalog?
Hello,
My recollection is that the different capes were added as a response to a Loki
figure coming out with the new one (in a cheap set) and collectors and sellers
caring deeply that it wasn't the same as the old one (in an expensive set).
At the time, variants that weren't split were not well-documented. So, I
also thought it was important to add the new one to the Catalog so buyers couldn't
cry 'Fake!' when they came across one.
Lastly, the fabric IS different. It's just not discernible without direct
comparison. Since the Catalog can't ask sellers to be able to tell differences
like that, the 1mm attribute is the only one noted.
I am not invested in their being merged or not, just describing the scenario.
Thanks,
~Jen
Okay thanks (if that is indeed true for all those capes/colours) I didn’t realise
there is a very slight difference in material (Aside from the obvious spongy
ones etc…) so that is interesting to know however if the material is indeed as
similar as you say then I’d personally also go as far as saying that it may be
better to have notes under the one entry also stating “Material can vary very
slightly” since it doesn’t sound like the difference is significant and obvious
enough to warrant separation?
Whilst I get and understand why there may be a certain prerogative for some sellers/collectors
to want to keep the entries separated due to potentially creating a higher value
entry, we are already seeing many Lego mold variants being merged even though
they include much more obvious differences and yet these aren’t even actual Lego
bricks but rather simple textile capes that display no obvious differences when
applied to a minifig and ultimately I’m not even sure separating them actually
serves the community very well overall. For instance a buyer/seller looks up
which capes belong to which minifigs and ends up seeing a complete catalog split
of Darth Vaders using different capes even though the differences are so minor
that they’re almost certainly unintentional. I completely understand the need
for the obvious differences such as spongy variant etc.. but not so much here....
I think I’m in agreement here that it could be merged - given the challenge of
measuring a fabric item to 1mm accuracy and the recent catalogue philosophy.
Either way with them being the same material but just 1mm difference I would
question Bricklinks attempts to separate them like this especially since they
don't add any real noticeable difference when applied to a minifigure plus
any found differences from Legos perspective are almost certainly unintentional
ones so why is Bricklink entertaining such marginal differences like this within
its catalog?
Hello,
My recollection is that the different capes were added as a response to a Loki
figure coming out with the new one (in a cheap set) and collectors and sellers
caring deeply that it wasn't the same as the old one (in an expensive set).
At the time, variants that weren't split were not well-documented. So, I
also thought it was important to add the new one to the Catalog so buyers couldn't
cry 'Fake!' when they came across one.
Lastly, the fabric IS different. It's just not discernible without direct
comparison. Since the Catalog can't ask sellers to be able to tell differences
like that, the 1mm attribute is the only one noted.
I am not invested in their being merged or not, just describing the scenario.
Thanks,
~Jen
Okay thanks (if that is indeed true for all those capes/colours) I didn’t realise
there is a very slight difference in material (Aside from the obvious spongy
ones etc…) so that is interesting to know however if the material is indeed as
similar as you say then I’d personally also go as far as saying that it may be
better to have notes under the one entry also stating “Material can vary very
slightly” since it doesn’t sound like the difference is significant and obvious
enough to warrant separation?
Whilst I get and understand why there may be a certain prerogative for some sellers/collectors
to want to keep the entries separated due to potentially creating a higher value
entry, we are already seeing many Lego mold variants being merged even though
they include much more obvious differences and yet these aren’t even actual Lego
bricks but rather simple textile capes that display no obvious differences when
applied to a minifig and ultimately I’m not even sure separating them actually
serves the community very well overall. For instance a buyer/seller looks up
which capes belong to which minifigs and ends up seeing a complete catalog split
of Darth Vaders using different capes even though the differences are so minor
that they’re almost certainly unintentional. I completely understand the need
for the obvious differences such as spongy variant etc.. but not so much here....
On another note it should also be added that like most minor variants like this
I suspect that only maybe less than 1% of bricklink users would notice/miss such
a change being implemented yet at the same time almost all Bricklink users would
benefit from having a simplified distribution of those capes where it shows them
suitable/valid for a much wider range of minifigures. It is only when we/bricklink
stumble across certain unintentional/unnecessary minor variations like this that
we end up creating further complications for ourselves that become more and more
difficult to move away from with ever increasing time...
Incidentally whilst those Loki minifigs may have had different values at one
time it appears that they now share about equal value probably because the one
in the cheaper smaller set is now aging and only appeared in one 2016 set whilst
the older one from 2012 was more widely distributed between 3 larger sets so
as with many things like this its ‘Swings and Roundabouts’ and what bricklink
no longer shows to exist in the catalog people won't care to concern themselves
with, well at least in the long term
Close to when I started out on Bricklink I bought a large bulk lot of black capes
from another seller maybe 10 years ago as I saw good potential in them for minifig
use and re-sale and have been selling them here myself in small batches at a
time ever since, I also continued to list them under the exact same entry I bought
them, However for the first time in all those years a buyer has just pointed
out to me that I’ve sent them the wrong capes stating I’ve sent them 3.9cm instead
of 4.0cm however nobody has ever brought this to my attention before and so I
can only imagine all those other buyers are either not aware of the 1mm difference,
don't care enough or simply assume I've listed correctly without checking
for themselves?
Either way with them being the same material but just 1mm difference I would
question Bricklinks attempts to separate them like this especially since they
don't add any real noticeable difference when applied to a minifigure plus
any found differences from Legos perspective are almost certainly unintentional
ones so why is Bricklink entertaining such marginal differences like this within
its catalog?
To be clear and before anyone jumps up and down I am already taking full responsibility
for the issue and the buyer is already in the process of being reimbursed in
full however is it really wise to burden sellers with the headache of needing
to measure such fine details on potentially hundreds of capes when I have already
presented years of evidence selling these capes showing most don’t seem to care?
Personally I think there should be one 522 cape entry with a description stating
that dimensions can vary between 3.9-4.0cm
Collectors can still always ask the question if they want a specific variant
but in truth unlike other variants that have more obvious differences to look
for, if a buyer asked me about 1mm difference I’d probably politely just advise
them to buy elsewhere as there is just too much room for error
Close to when I started out on Bricklink I bought a large bulk lot of black capes
from another seller maybe 10 years ago as I saw good potential in them for minifig
use and re-sale and have been selling them here myself in small batches at a
time ever since, I also continued to list them under the exact same entry I bought
them, However for the first time in all those years a buyer has just pointed
out to me that I’ve sent them the wrong capes stating I’ve sent them 3.9cm instead
of 4.0cm however nobody has ever brought this to my attention before and so I
can only imagine all those other buyers are either not aware of the 1mm difference,
don't care enough or simply assume I've listed correctly without checking
for themselves?
Either way with them being the same material but just 1mm difference I would
question Bricklinks attempts to separate them like this especially since they
don't add any real noticeable difference when applied to a minifigure plus
any found differences from Legos perspective are almost certainly unintentional
ones so why is Bricklink entertaining such marginal differences like this within
its catalog?
To be clear and before anyone jumps up and down I am already taking full responsibility
for the issue and the buyer is already in the process of being reimbursed in
full however is it really wise to burden sellers with the headache of needing
to measure such fine details on potentially hundreds of capes when I have already
presented years of evidence selling these capes showing most don’t seem to care?
Personally I think there should be one 522 cape entry with a description stating
that dimensions can vary between 3.9-4.0cm
Collectors can still always ask the question if they want a specific variant
but in truth unlike other variants that have more obvious differences to look
for, if a buyer asked me about 1mm difference I’d probably politely just advise
them to buy elsewhere as there is just too much room for error
Makes sense to me. Only issue might be others who invested in the capes and it
would lower the value of one they might have 500+ of too.
I've bought them and had a problem telling the difference either way.
Close to when I started out on Bricklink I bought a large bulk lot of black capes
from another seller maybe 10 years ago as I saw good potential in them for minifig
use and re-sale and have been selling them here myself in small batches at a
time ever since, I also continued to list them under the exact same entry I bought
them, However for the first time in all those years a buyer has just pointed
out to me that I’ve sent them the wrong capes stating I’ve sent them 3.9cm instead
of 4.0cm however nobody has ever brought this to my attention before and so I
can only imagine all those other buyers are either not aware of the 1mm difference,
don't care enough or simply assume I've listed correctly without checking
for themselves?
Either way with them being the same material but just 1mm difference I would
question Bricklinks attempts to separate them like this especially since they
don't add any real noticeable difference when applied to a minifigure plus
any found differences from Legos perspective are almost certainly unintentional
ones so why is Bricklink entertaining such marginal differences like this within
its catalog?
To be clear and before anyone jumps up and down I am already taking full responsibility
for the issue and the buyer is already in the process of being reimbursed in
full however is it really wise to burden sellers with the headache of needing
to measure such fine details on potentially hundreds of capes when I have already
presented years of evidence selling these capes showing most don’t seem to care?
Personally I think there should be one 522 cape entry with a description stating
that dimensions can vary between 3.9-4.0cm
Collectors can still always ask the question if they want a specific variant
but in truth unlike other variants that have more obvious differences to look
for, if a buyer asked me about 1mm difference I’d probably politely just advise
them to buy elsewhere as there is just too much room for error
Makes sense to me. Only issue might be others who invested in the capes and it
would lower the value of one they might have 500+ of too.
I've bought them and had a problem telling the difference either way.
Yeah although that is the nature of the beast with anything you invest in on
Bricklink as you never know whether that desirable part or minifigure is going
to be re-released in a smaller much more widely distributed set and sometimes
it doesn't even need to be the same version either. People having better
access to a desirable character in a more accessible set can often affect the
more expensive version from a larger set
That said from what I can tell the capes seem to be selling for roughly similar
pricing and I expect most people are buying whichever version of the capes are
most accessible to them rather than variant being much of considered factor
Close to when I started out on Bricklink I bought a large bulk lot of black capes
from another seller maybe 10 years ago as I saw good potential in them for minifig
use and re-sale and have been selling them here myself in small batches at a
time ever since, I also continued to list them under the exact same entry I bought
them, However for the first time in all those years a buyer has just pointed
out to me that I’ve sent them the wrong capes stating I’ve sent them 3.9cm instead
of 4.0cm however nobody has ever brought this to my attention before and so I
can only imagine all those other buyers are either not aware of the 1mm difference,
don't care enough or simply assume I've listed correctly without checking
for themselves?
Either way with them being the same material but just 1mm difference I would
question Bricklinks attempts to separate them like this especially since they
don't add any real noticeable difference when applied to a minifigure plus
any found differences from Legos perspective are almost certainly unintentional
ones so why is Bricklink entertaining such marginal differences like this within
its catalog?
To be clear and before anyone jumps up and down I am already taking full responsibility
for the issue and the buyer is already in the process of being reimbursed in
full however is it really wise to burden sellers with the headache of needing
to measure such fine details on potentially hundreds of capes when I have already
presented years of evidence selling these capes showing most don’t seem to care?
Personally I think there should be one 522 cape entry with a description stating
that dimensions can vary between 3.9-4.0cm
Collectors can still always ask the question if they want a specific variant
but in truth unlike other variants that have more obvious differences to look
for, if a buyer asked me about 1mm difference I’d probably politely just advise
them to buy elsewhere as there is just too much room for error
I’m in—I agree with the merge. I used to measure these the capes with great
difficulty but don’t anymore so this would be good !!!!
Close to when I started out on Bricklink I bought a large bulk lot of black capes
from another seller maybe 10 years ago as I saw good potential in them for minifig
use and re-sale and have been selling them here myself in small batches at a
time ever since, I also continued to list them under the exact same entry I bought
them, However for the first time in all those years a buyer has just pointed
out to me that I’ve sent them the wrong capes stating I’ve sent them 3.9cm instead
of 4.0cm however nobody has ever brought this to my attention before and so I
can only imagine all those other buyers are either not aware of the 1mm difference,
don't care enough or simply assume I've listed correctly without checking
for themselves?
Either way with them being the same material but just 1mm difference I would
question Bricklinks attempts to separate them like this especially since they
don't add any real noticeable difference when applied to a minifigure plus
any found differences from Legos perspective are almost certainly unintentional
ones so why is Bricklink entertaining such marginal differences like this within
its catalog?
To be clear and before anyone jumps up and down I am already taking full responsibility
for the issue and the buyer is already in the process of being reimbursed in
full however is it really wise to burden sellers with the headache of needing
to measure such fine details on potentially hundreds of capes when I have already
presented years of evidence selling these capes showing most don’t seem to care?
Personally I think there should be one 522 cape entry with a description stating
that dimensions can vary between 3.9-4.0cm
Collectors can still always ask the question if they want a specific variant
but in truth unlike other variants that have more obvious differences to look
for, if a buyer asked me about 1mm difference I’d probably politely just advise
them to buy elsewhere as there is just too much room for error
I kind of like this idea. Even having them separated in the catalog, there is
a lot of confusion over the lengths used on certain cape item numbers. In other
words, I don't think TLG even stuck to any consistent use of cloth length
for a given design number.
Close to when I started out on Bricklink I bought a large bulk lot of black capes
from another seller maybe 10 years ago as I saw good potential in them for minifig
use and re-sale and have been selling them here myself in small batches at a
time ever since, I also continued to list them under the exact same entry I bought
them, However for the first time in all those years a buyer has just pointed
out to me that I’ve sent them the wrong capes stating I’ve sent them 3.9cm instead
of 4.0cm however nobody has ever brought this to my attention before and so I
can only imagine all those other buyers are either not aware of the 1mm difference,
don't care enough or simply assume I've listed correctly without checking
for themselves?
Either way with them being the same material but just 1mm difference I would
question Bricklinks attempts to separate them like this especially since they
don't add any real noticeable difference when applied to a minifigure plus
any found differences from Legos perspective are almost certainly unintentional
ones so why is Bricklink entertaining such marginal differences like this within
its catalog?
To be clear and before anyone jumps up and down I am already taking full responsibility
for the issue and the buyer is already in the process of being reimbursed in
full however is it really wise to burden sellers with the headache of needing
to measure such fine details on potentially hundreds of capes when I have already
presented years of evidence selling these capes showing most don’t seem to care?
Personally I think there should be one 522 cape entry with a description stating
that dimensions can vary between 3.9-4.0cm
Collectors can still always ask the question if they want a specific variant
but in truth unlike other variants that have more obvious differences to look
for, if a buyer asked me about 1mm difference I’d probably politely just advise
them to buy elsewhere as there is just too much room for error
I agree with this merge.
When listing used, I have to use a caliper to tell the difference, which seems
absurd considering recent catalog decisions.
Normally I’m against merges but this is one of the few that I do agree with.
Telling those 2 apart has always been something I strongly disliked. Tho I should
probably at least save its data for the archive later for those who would still
want to know
Close to when I started out on Bricklink I bought a large bulk lot of black capes
from another seller maybe 10 years ago as I saw good potential in them for minifig
use and re-sale and have been selling them here myself in small batches at a
time ever since, I also continued to list them under the exact same entry I bought
them, However for the first time in all those years a buyer has just pointed
out to me that I’ve sent them the wrong capes stating I’ve sent them 3.9cm instead
of 4.0cm however nobody has ever brought this to my attention before and so I
can only imagine all those other buyers are either not aware of the 1mm difference,
don't care enough or simply assume I've listed correctly without checking
for themselves?
Either way with them being the same material but just 1mm difference I would
question Bricklinks attempts to separate them like this especially since they
don't add any real noticeable difference when applied to a minifigure plus
any found differences from Legos perspective are almost certainly unintentional
ones so why is Bricklink entertaining such marginal differences like this within
its catalog?
To be clear and before anyone jumps up and down I am already taking full responsibility
for the issue and the buyer is already in the process of being reimbursed in
full however is it really wise to burden sellers with the headache of needing
to measure such fine details on potentially hundreds of capes when I have already
presented years of evidence selling these capes showing most don’t seem to care?
Personally I think there should be one 522 cape entry with a description stating
that dimensions can vary between 3.9-4.0cm
Collectors can still always ask the question if they want a specific variant
but in truth unlike other variants that have more obvious differences to look
for, if a buyer asked me about 1mm difference I’d probably politely just advise
them to buy elsewhere as there is just too much room for error
We recognise the support for this in this thread but will not be merging these
capes.
It is felt that the difference is distinguishable enough and keeping them separate
also future proofs things for the future - in case they also reduce the size
by another 1mm at some point for example.
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