As the next step in making sure that we are in compliance with the EU DAC-7 regulations,
we will start collecting additional information from BrickLink Sellers shortly.
To see if you qualify as a Business Seller, please check with Article 8ac of
the EU Council Directive: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A32021L0514
Information that we will be collecting includes the following:
- Name of business,
- Business registration number, including a supporting document. As different rules
apply for each EU member state, refer to your local authority for directions,
- Tax Identification Number (TIN), including a supporting document: https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/tin/#/check-tin
- OSS Number and/ or VAT ID for each country of registration: https://taxation-customs.ec.europa.eu/online-sellers_en
You may be aware that we already started requesting this from new Business Sellers
last year. For more details, go to our previous forum post regarding DAC-7: https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=332298.
We are now starting the process of collecting this information for all of our
existing Business Sellers.
Existing Business Sellers should add this information to their accounts by December
31, 2024. After submission, documents will be reviewed by BrickLink.
To ensure that everyone’s requests are handled in a consistent and timely manner,
we will be requesting account updates in waves, by country. We strongly advise
our members to add information to their accounts by the deadline for their corresponding
countries. We will be sending out emails with further details and instructions
for each country in accordance with a schedule. We recommend that you start collecting
the required documentation as soon as possible and await further instructions
for how to add this to your account.
Please kindly note I opened a ticket about this years ago (not resolved), so
we still do NOT receive e-mails sent though mailchimp or whoever you use to send
Announcements.
But if sent from @bricklink or @lego, no problem of course.
So, please inform sellers from bricklink and not through the mass e-mail
provider.
As the next step in making sure that we are in compliance with the EU DAC-7 regulations,
we will start collecting additional information from BrickLink Sellers shortly.
To see if you qualify as a Business Seller, please check with Article 8ac of
the EU Council Directive: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A32021L0514
Information that we will be collecting includes the following:
- Name of business,
- Business registration number, including a supporting document. As different rules
apply for each EU member state, refer to your local authority for directions,
- Tax Identification Number (TIN), including a supporting document: https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/tin/#/check-tin
- OSS Number and/ or VAT ID for each country of registration: https://taxation-customs.ec.europa.eu/online-sellers_en
You may be aware that we already started requesting this from new Business Sellers
last year. For more details, go to our previous forum post regarding DAC-7: https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=332298.
We are now starting the process of collecting this information for all of our
existing Business Sellers.
Existing Business Sellers should add this information to their accounts by December
31, 2024. After submission, documents will be reviewed by BrickLink.
To ensure that everyone’s requests are handled in a consistent and timely manner,
we will be requesting account updates in waves, by country. We strongly advise
our members to add information to their accounts by the deadline for their corresponding
countries. We will be sending out emails with further details and instructions
for each country in accordance with a schedule. We recommend that you start collecting
the required documentation as soon as possible and await further instructions
for how to add this to your account.
Kind Regards,
The BrickLink Team
All the information you are asking here, and supporting documentation, I've
already provided.
TIN, OSS number and VAT ID are the same for one-person companies in Portugal:
In the data that will be provided to the tax authorities, will the total of sales
be reduced by the total of bought items?
Hence the sold value -/- the bought value?
Asked it several times before in the last 18-20 months, but never got a reply
(AFAIK...).
Why? The regulation asks for what you sell, not what you buy.
Of course you need to buy before you sell, but buying here is no different from
buying elsewhere.
(Besides, there’s also no way to know if you sell here what you buy here. You
might buy elswhere to sell here and buy here to sell elsewhere, hopefully for
you at a higher price each time.)
As far as I know margin goods do not count towards the EU-marketplace rules.
But need to be done with your local tax office.
We informed BrickLink about those rules back in 2022 with a signed document by
our local taxation office confirming our statement.
Now in 2024 those rules still apply and as far as I`m aware it will still exist
in the same form after 2024.
In Administrative, SylvainLS writes:
In Administrative, StarBrick writes:
Maybe by asking here, I will get a reply :
In the data that will be provided to the tax authorities, will the total of sales
be reduced by the total of bought items?
Hence the sold value -/- the bought value?
Asked it several times before in the last 18-20 months, but never got a reply
(AFAIK...).
Why? The regulation asks for what you sell, not what you buy.
Of course you need to buy before you sell, but buying here is no different from
buying elsewhere.
(Besides, there’s also no way to know if you sell here what you buy here. You
might buy elswhere to sell here and buy here to sell elsewhere, hopefully for
you at a higher price each time.)
But this is about DAC-7, not about OSS & the €10k “Distance Selling” threshold.
AFAIK, DAC-7 wants to know for how much you sell, not what you buy.
And, again, there’s no proof that what you buy here, you sell here. At most,
if DAC-7 was interested in that, it would ask for your buying _separately_, not
“selling minus buying.”
It it oke for us. If BrickLink ask us for the required documents for DAC-7 we
will deliver them.
In Administrative, SylvainLS writes:
In Administrative, ZwarteMagica writes:
Because of margin goods
[…]
But this is about DAC-7, not about OSS & the €10k “Distance Selling” threshold.
AFAIK, DAC-7 wants to know for how much you sell, not what you buy.
And, again, there’s no proof that what you buy here, you sell here. At most,
if DAC-7 was interested in that, it would ask for your buying _separately_, not
“selling minus buying.”
As the next step in making sure that we are in compliance with the EU DAC-7 regulations,
we will start collecting additional information from BrickLink Sellers shortly.
To see if you qualify as a Business Seller, please check with Article 8ac of
the EU Council Directive: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A32021L0514
Information that we will be collecting includes the following:
- Name of business,
- Business registration number, including a supporting document. As different rules
apply for each EU member state, refer to your local authority for directions,
- Tax Identification Number (TIN), including a supporting document: https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/tin/#/check-tin
- OSS Number and/ or VAT ID for each country of registration: https://taxation-customs.ec.europa.eu/online-sellers_en
You may be aware that we already started requesting this from new Business Sellers
last year. For more details, go to our previous forum post regarding DAC-7: https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=332298.
We are now starting the process of collecting this information for all of our
existing Business Sellers.
Existing Business Sellers should add this information to their accounts by December
31, 2024. After submission, documents will be reviewed by BrickLink.
To ensure that everyone’s requests are handled in a consistent and timely manner,
we will be requesting account updates in waves, by country. We strongly advise
our members to add information to their accounts by the deadline for their corresponding
countries. We will be sending out emails with further details and instructions
for each country in accordance with a schedule. We recommend that you start collecting
the required documentation as soon as possible and await further instructions
for how to add this to your account.
Kind Regards,
The BrickLink Team
In Italy, the limit for transactions in a year has been set at 2000 euros, below
which nothing must be declared and it is therefore possible not to have a VAT
number but only a tax code.
I can then get a feedback on the documents to be sent to you and where to upload
them to Bricklink
tank you
As the next step in making sure that we are in compliance with the EU DAC-7 regulations,
we will start collecting additional information from BrickLink Sellers shortly.
To see if you qualify as a Business Seller, please check with Article 8ac of
the EU Council Directive: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A32021L0514
Information that we will be collecting includes the following:
- Name of business,
- Business registration number, including a supporting document. As different rules
apply for each EU member state, refer to your local authority for directions,
- Tax Identification Number (TIN), including a supporting document: https://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/tin/#/check-tin
- OSS Number and/ or VAT ID for each country of registration: https://taxation-customs.ec.europa.eu/online-sellers_en
You may be aware that we already started requesting this from new Business Sellers
last year. For more details, go to our previous forum post regarding DAC-7: https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=332298.
We are now starting the process of collecting this information for all of our
existing Business Sellers.
Existing Business Sellers should add this information to their accounts by December
31, 2024. After submission, documents will be reviewed by BrickLink.
To ensure that everyone’s requests are handled in a consistent and timely manner,
we will be requesting account updates in waves, by country. We strongly advise
our members to add information to their accounts by the deadline for their corresponding
countries. We will be sending out emails with further details and instructions
for each country in accordance with a schedule. We recommend that you start collecting
the required documentation as soon as possible and await further instructions
for how to add this to your account.
Kind Regards,
The BrickLink Team
In Italy, the limit for transactions in a year has been set at 2000 euros, below
which nothing must be declared and it is therefore possible not to have a VAT
number but only a tax code.
I can then get a feedback on the documents to be sent to you and where to upload
them to Bricklink
tank you
2000 euros or 30 orders in a year.
You have more than 30 orders in a year.
You have 71 orders in the last 14 months.
In Italy, the limit for transactions in a year has been set at 2000 euros, below
which nothing must be declared and it is therefore possible not to have a VAT
number but only a tax code.
I can then get a feedback on the documents to be sent to you and where to upload
them to Bricklink
tank you
2000 euros or 30 orders in a year.
Tecnically less than 2000€ AND 30 orders per year.
You have more than 30 orders in a year.
You have 71 orders in the last 14 months.
I read the page you sent us to about these new EU rules and it doesn't give
enough info. I would like to point out that I don't sell to EU after getting
scammed way back during the original Bricklink Owner's era. (While I admit
99% of buyers are great there, it is hard to fight scams there. Unlike a local
scammer I can involve the post office, Note: Scam here is extremely rare and
I take pictures to know if I make a mistake or it is truly a scam.)
My questions:
1st Question: I am a small store and might get 30 orders a year, but I certainly
do not make 2k a year.
What does this mean for me? I can't sell, or am I going to be penalized somehow?
2nd Question: I had a guy this year try to scam me, but he used a fake U.S. address
and had the mail forwarded overseas. How will this kind of sale affect us?
Also, why isn't there a rule against this since it is a way to cheat the
system, and the seller.
Honestly, wouldn't it have been easier to simply lock us out of selling to
the EU or even all other countries except our own if we don't sign?
After all, letting the EU dictate rules to foreign countries is a way of cheating
our democratic process. Since we don't vote the people that make these rules
into office.
This makes that type of leader in EU not care about us or what is fair to people
outside their voter base.
I read the page you sent us to about these new EU rules and it doesn't give
enough info. I would like to point out that I don't sell to EU after getting
scammed way back during the original Bricklink Owner's era. (While I admit
99% of buyers are great there, it is hard to fight scams there. Unlike a local
scammer I can involve the post office, Note: Scam here is extremely rare and
I take pictures to know if I make a mistake or it is truly a scam.)
My questions:
1st Question: I am a small store and might get 30 orders a year, but I certainly
do not make 2k a year.
What does this mean for me? I can't sell, or am I going to be penalized somehow?
2nd Question: I had a guy this year try to scam me, but he used a fake U.S. address
and had the mail forwarded overseas. How will this kind of sale affect us?
Also, why isn't there a rule against this since it is a way to cheat the
system, and the seller.
Honestly, wouldn't it have been easier to simply lock us out of selling to
the EU or even all other countries except our own if we don't sign?
After all, letting the EU dictate rules to foreign countries is a way of cheating
our democratic process. Since we don't vote the people that make these rules
into office.
This makes that type of leader in EU not care about us or what is fair to people
outside their voter base.
the DAC-7 rules only apply to European sellers. Since you are based in the USA
this does not apply to you.
After shortly researching this.... that is NOT TRUE.
While my sales are so low and not to EU I might be protected at present legislation
from taxes, OTHER U.S. and Canadian as well as other NON-EU sellers will be affected.
For U.S. this is equivalent to a 1099 tax form for income.
The goal of DAC-7 is to gather tax information from sellers GLOBALLY that sell
to EU. This will allow them to see if you should be taxed.
In my country we already had similar when states began taxing us for items not
even sold in their state, but sold to someone who lives in their state. Often
both states taxing us.
Now the EU wants their cut also. I recommend any larger U.S. sellers and sellers
not in EU do more research before signing. This could end up affecting seller
fees to us as buyers.
This could even cause larger sellers to exclude EU buyers if they don't live
there and don't wish to risk being unfairly taxed.
The biggest concern after researching for me is that my privacy data could be
collected including sensitive data like Social Security Number be given to EU.
This could lead to risk to my data, and again to people not responsible to me
in any way.
That all said, like many of you I feel forced into this not to lose my tiny store.
I truly wish Bricklink (LEGO) had not tried to lump in people who do not sell
to the EU.
After shortly researching this.... that is NOT TRUE.
While my sales are so low and not to EU I might be protected at present legislation
from taxes, OTHER U.S. and Canadian as well as other NON-EU sellers will be affected.
For U.S. this is equivalent to a 1099 tax form for income.
The goal of DAC-7 is to gather tax information from sellers GLOBALLY that sell
to EU. This will allow them to see if you should be taxed.
In my country we already had similar when states began taxing us for items not
even sold in their state, but sold to someone who lives in their state. Often
both states taxing us.
Now the EU wants their cut also. I recommend any larger U.S. sellers and sellers
not in EU do more research before signing. This could end up affecting seller
fees to us as buyers.
This could even cause larger sellers to exclude EU buyers if they don't live
there and don't wish to risk being unfairly taxed.
The biggest concern after researching for me is that my privacy data could be
collected including sensitive data like Social Security Number be given to EU.
This could lead to risk to my data, and again to people not responsible to me
in any way.
That all said, like many of you I feel forced into this not to lose my tiny store.
I truly wish Bricklink (LEGO) had not tried to lump in people who do not sell
to the EU.
The Dac-7 only wants information about the EUROPEAN sellers NOT sellers outside
the EU! If we as non-European sellers had to file the information for the DAC-7
Bricklink would have send out e-mails or made a forum post about it already.
A few weeks ago a banner popped up for European sellers that they needed to submit
the documents for the DAC-7 because the deadline is approaching, do you have
that banner? (The answer is no).
I think you are confusing the DSA pop up that is showing up for everybody since
today with DAC-7 (which only applies to EU sellers)
Would be nice to remove the notifications "EU Compliance Alert
Per DAC7, some EU sellers are required to submit additional documents to maintain
their online stores. Ignore this message if you have updated your dashboard earlier.
If you have not done so already, please update your information by November 30,
2024 to avoid account suspension"
Would be nice to remove the notifications "EU Compliance Alert
Per DAC7, some EU sellers are required to submit additional documents to maintain
their online stores. Ignore this message if you have updated your dashboard earlier.
If you have not done so already, please update your information by November 30,
2024 to avoid account suspension"
Would be nice to remove the notifications "EU Compliance Alert
Per DAC7, some EU sellers are required to submit additional documents to maintain
their online stores. Ignore this message if you have updated your dashboard earlier.
If you have not done so already, please update your information by November 30,
2024 to avoid account suspension"
If stores don't know it by now they never will.
Thanks for taking care.
I agree, but seeing as the 'my Bricklink' page still has the 'Prefer
My BrickLink Classic?' banner on from 5 years ago it might take a while.
USA, California
France, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur
Netherlands, Gelderland
.
Portugal
:
The regulation asks for what you sell, not what you buy.
Italy, Lombardia
Canada, Alberta
Belgium
Austria, Wien
United Kingdom, England