* Delete 1 Part 4502c Red Minifigure, Plume Feather Large
* Delete 1 Part 4502a Red Minifigure, Plume Feather Small
Comments from Submitter:
On the official notice these 2 pieces do not appear
Please see the note at the bottom of the inventory:
This set comes with one red 4502 Minifigure, Plume / Feather Wheel, 3 on Sprue,
which includes three different plumes / feathers. One of these plumes / feathers
is included in a minifigure. Therefore, the remaining two are listed separately
in the Regular Items section.
* Delete 1 Part 4502c Red Minifigure, Plume Feather Large
* Delete 1 Part 4502a Red Minifigure, Plume Feather Small
Comments from Submitter:
On the official notice these 2 pieces do not appear
Please see the note at the bottom of the inventory:
This set comes with one red 4502 Minifigure, Plume / Feather Wheel, 3 on Sprue,
which includes three different plumes / feathers. One of these plumes / feathers
is included in a minifigure. Therefore, the remaining two are listed separately
in the Regular Items section.
* Delete 1 Part 4502c Red Minifigure, Plume Feather Large
* Delete 1 Part 4502a Red Minifigure, Plume Feather Small
Comments from Submitter:
On the official notice these 2 pieces do not appear
Please see the note at the bottom of the inventory:
This set comes with one red 4502 Minifigure, Plume / Feather Wheel, 3 on Sprue,
which includes three different plumes / feathers. One of these plumes / feathers
is included in a minifigure. Therefore, the remaining two are listed separately
in the Regular Items section.
Thus, these requests will not be accepted.
Cheers,
Randy
Please explain this decision. These feathers are not in the building instructions,
so they are not part of the model. They should be categorized as 'extra pieces'.
This problem occurs in many castle sets.
If you want to include the feather wheel, add it as an alternate. These additional
feathers are not seen as part of the sets by bricklink members, but as extra
pieces. If you look at castle sets for sale, they are all marked complete with
comments that extra feathers are not included.
Please reconsider and correct all these castle sets inventories.
* Delete 1 Part 4502c Red Minifigure, Plume Feather Large
* Delete 1 Part 4502a Red Minifigure, Plume Feather Small
Comments from Submitter:
On the official notice these 2 pieces do not appear
Please see the note at the bottom of the inventory:
This set comes with one red 4502 Minifigure, Plume / Feather Wheel, 3 on Sprue,
which includes three different plumes / feathers. One of these plumes / feathers
is included in a minifigure. Therefore, the remaining two are listed separately
in the Regular Items section.
Thus, these requests will not be accepted.
Cheers,
Randy
Please explain this decision. These feathers are not in the building instructions,
so they are not part of the model. They should be categorized as 'extra pieces'.
This problem occurs in many castle sets.
If you want to include the feather wheel, add it as an alternate. These additional
feathers are not seen as part of the sets by bricklink members, but as extra
pieces. If you look at castle sets for sale, they are all marked complete with
comments that extra feathers are not included.
Please reconsider and correct all these castle sets inventories.
Cheers FJ
check the rules on this page
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1562
specifically "Complete sprues are included in this section unless some parts
from the sprues are used in minifigures. In that case, the parts from the sprues
that are not used in minifigures are included in this section." in the "Additional
Information About Regular Items" section
* Delete 1 Part 4502c Red Minifigure, Plume Feather Large
* Delete 1 Part 4502a Red Minifigure, Plume Feather Small
Comments from Submitter:
On the official notice these 2 pieces do not appear
Please see the note at the bottom of the inventory:
This set comes with one red 4502 Minifigure, Plume / Feather Wheel, 3 on Sprue,
which includes three different plumes / feathers. One of these plumes / feathers
is included in a minifigure. Therefore, the remaining two are listed separately
in the Regular Items section.
Thus, these requests will not be accepted.
Cheers,
Randy
Please explain this decision. These feathers are not in the building instructions,
so they are not part of the model. They should be categorized as 'extra pieces'.
This problem occurs in many castle sets.
There are definitions of complete set and regular/alternate/extra sectione on
bricklink. These definition are made by many members over many years, based on
all angles that should be considered. You here see only one angle of the situation.
The other angle is that they defined these concepts to work with in a way that
is generalized and can be applied to all sets in consistent way, otherwise we
would have a messed-up situation: one definition is used for one set while it
is not applied for the other set and it would not be clear what is applied for
what set/part and why.
Let's look at few facts:
- Bricklink wants the inventory to present the parts of a new set, as it would
be found in a new set. This means sticker sheet should be in new condition,
parts that are pre-assembled should appear in that way, like this:
The interesting thing is that TLG stopped producing round 1x1 plates with sprues
and since 1991, they are put in sets separately, i.e. without sprues. For example
this set:
So based on this goal, the sprues such as 4502 should be put in inventories complete
(and each sprue comes with three plume feathers) The only problem is that for
most sets, only one out of three sprues are used in a set, i.e. used in minifigs.
At the same time, minifigs are also supposed to come complete with all their
accessories as used for the main model of a set. If they also include one plume
feather for the complete minifig, they would be two plume feathers in the inventory
while only one came in a new copy of the set (with sprue). So the only available
decision was used: they add the other two plume feathers in the regular section.
This is the ONLY consistent solution available at this point. If they do anything
else, it would violate something else, making the whole situation inconsistent,
i.e. not following a rule.
As an example, lets look at the set
So we have four plume feathers (4502a and 4502c red and black) that are NOT used
in the main model of the set, but are placed in the regular section of the set,
including a red
but this part is different because it is used in one of the alternate model/presentation
printed on box arts . See photo attached, the image of the back of the box. So
this red plume feather should appear in the main model based on the definition
of a complete set, and the other three should not. Yet Bricklink is violating
its own rule considering these three plume feathers, because if they place these
three sprues in the extra section, they would violate the other rule that parts
of a set should be presented as they appeared in a new copy of the set, i.e.
in sprues,....
The ultimate solution would be to have multiple presentations of a set,
such as:
- parts as appeared in a new set:
Like complete new sprues 4502,....
- parts used only in the main model (this would be the one you are interested
in):
For the set 6073-1, the red 4502c should be place in this presentation, i.e.
only two plume feathers used for minifigs should appear here.
- parts used for the main model,
For set 6073-1, three plume feathers should be placed in the main section, and
the other three in the extra section.
- parts used only in one of the alternate models,
For the set 6073-1, perhaps the red 4502c should be placed in the section of
the parts ONLY used in one of the alternate section.
- parts after the main model was built (so the stickers applied and so, the stickered
assemblies should appear as such in this presentation)
If you want to include the feather wheel, add it as an alternate. These additional
feathers are not seen as part of the sets by bricklink members, but as extra
pieces. If you look at castle sets for sale, they are all marked complete with
comments that extra feathers are not included.
See the definition of a complete used set:
Complete - Set contains all parts necessary to build all of the models
(including alternate models) in the instructions but does not have to contain
the original box/packaging and/or extra parts.
It does not say that a complete set contains all parts in the regular section,
does it? So based on this definition that all BL members should follow, those
sellers CORRECTLY marked their sets complete. If they explain those other 4 plume
feathers are not present in what that is sold, then they are making it even more
clear.
Please reconsider and correct all these castle sets inventories.
* Delete 1 Part 4502c Red Minifigure, Plume Feather Large
* Delete 1 Part 4502a Red Minifigure, Plume Feather Small
Comments from Submitter:
On the official notice these 2 pieces do not appear
Please see the note at the bottom of the inventory:
This set comes with one red 4502 Minifigure, Plume / Feather Wheel, 3 on Sprue,
which includes three different plumes / feathers. One of these plumes / feathers
is included in a minifigure. Therefore, the remaining two are listed separately
in the Regular Items section.
Thus, these requests will not be accepted.
Cheers,
Randy
Please explain this decision. These feathers are not in the building instructions,
so they are not part of the model. They should be categorized as 'extra pieces'.
This problem occurs in many castle sets.
There are definitions of complete set and regular/alternate/extra sectione on
bricklink. These definition are made by many members over many years, based on
all angles that should be considered. You here see only one angle of the situation.
The other angle is that they defined these concepts to work with in a way that
is generalized and can be applied to all sets in consistent way, otherwise we
would have a messed-up situation: one definition is used for one set while it
is not applied for the other set and it would not be clear what is applied for
what set/part and why.
Let's look at few facts:
- Bricklink wants the inventory to present the parts of a new set, as it would
be found in a new set. This means sticker sheet should be in new condition,
parts that are pre-assembled should appear in that way, like this:
The interesting thing is that TLG stopped producing round 1x1 plates with sprues
and since 1991, they are put in sets separately, i.e. without sprues. For example
this set:
So based on this goal, the sprues such as 4502 should be put in inventories complete
(and each sprue comes with three plume feathers) The only problem is that for
most sets, only one out of three sprues are used in a set, i.e. used in minifigs.
At the same time, minifigs are also supposed to come complete with all their
accessories as used for the main model of a set. If they also include one plume
feather for the complete minifig, they would be two plume feathers in the inventory
while only one came in a new copy of the set (with sprue). So the only available
decision was used: they add the other two plume feathers in the regular section.
This is the ONLY consistent solution available at this point. If they do anything
else, it would violate something else, making the whole situation inconsistent,
i.e. not following a rule.
As an example, lets look at the set
So we have four plume feathers (4502a and 4502c red and black) that are NOT used
in the main model of the set, but are placed in the regular section of the set,
including a red
but this part is different because it is used in one of the alternate model/presentation
printed on box arts . See photo attached, the image of the back of the box. So
this red plume feather should appear in the main model based on the definition
of a complete set, and the other three should not. Yet Bricklink is violating
its own rule considering these three plume feathers, because if they place these
three sprues in the extra section, they would violate the other rule that parts
of a set should be presented as they appeared in a new copy of the set, i.e.
in sprues,....
The ultimate solution would be to have multiple presentations of a set,
such as:
- parts as appeared in a new set:
Like complete new sprues 4502,....
- parts used only in the main model (this would be the one you are interested
in):
For the set 6073-1, the red 4502c should be place in this presentation, i.e.
only two plume feathers used for minifigs should appear here.
- parts used for the main model,
For set 6073-1, three plume feathers should be placed in the main section, and
the other three in the extra section.
- parts used only in one of the alternate models,
For the set 6073-1, perhaps the red 4502c should be placed in the section of
the parts ONLY used in one of the alternate section.
- parts after the main model was built (so the stickers applied and so, the stickered
assemblies should appear as such in this presentation)
If you want to include the feather wheel, add it as an alternate. These additional
feathers are not seen as part of the sets by bricklink members, but as extra
pieces. If you look at castle sets for sale, they are all marked complete with
comments that extra feathers are not included.
See the definition of a complete used set:
Complete - Set contains all parts necessary to build all of the models
(including alternate models) in the instructions but does not have to contain
the original box/packaging and/or extra parts.
It does not say that a complete set contains all parts in the regular section,
does it? So based on this definition that all BL members should follow, those
sellers CORRECTLY marked their sets complete. If they explain those other 4 plume
feathers are not present in what that is sold, then they are making it even more
clear.
Please reconsider and correct all these castle sets inventories.
* Delete 1 Part 4502c Red Minifigure, Plume Feather Large
* Delete 1 Part 4502a Red Minifigure, Plume Feather Small
Comments from Submitter:
On the official notice these 2 pieces do not appear
Please see the note at the bottom of the inventory:
This set comes with one red 4502 Minifigure, Plume / Feather Wheel, 3 on Sprue,
which includes three different plumes / feathers. One of these plumes / feathers
is included in a minifigure. Therefore, the remaining two are listed separately
in the Regular Items section.
Thus, these requests will not be accepted.
Cheers,
Randy
Please explain this decision. These feathers are not in the building instructions,
so they are not part of the model. They should be categorized as 'extra pieces'.
This problem occurs in many castle sets.
There are definitions of complete set and regular/alternate/extra sectione on
bricklink. These definition are made by many members over many years, based on
all angles that should be considered. You here see only one angle of the situation.
The other angle is that they defined these concepts to work with in a way that
is generalized and can be applied to all sets in consistent way, otherwise we
would have a messed-up situation: one definition is used for one set while it
is not applied for the other set and it would not be clear what is applied for
what set/part and why.
Let's look at few facts:
- Bricklink wants the inventory to present the parts of a new set, as it would
be found in a new set. This means sticker sheet should be in new condition,
parts that are pre-assembled should appear in that way, like this:
The interesting thing is that TLG stopped producing round 1x1 plates with sprues
and since 1991, they are put in sets separately, i.e. without sprues. For example
this set:
So based on this goal, the sprues such as 4502 should be put in inventories complete
(and each sprue comes with three plume feathers) The only problem is that for
most sets, only one out of three sprues are used in a set, i.e. used in minifigs.
At the same time, minifigs are also supposed to come complete with all their
accessories as used for the main model of a set. If they also include one plume
feather for the complete minifig, they would be two plume feathers in the inventory
while only one came in a new copy of the set (with sprue). So the only available
decision was used: they add the other two plume feathers in the regular section.
This is the ONLY consistent solution available at this point. If they do anything
else, it would violate something else, making the whole situation inconsistent,
i.e. not following a rule.
As an example, lets look at the set
So we have four plume feathers (4502a and 4502c red and black) that are NOT used
in the main model of the set, but are placed in the regular section of the set,
including a red
but this part is different because it is used in one of the alternate model/presentation
printed on box arts . See photo attached, the image of the back of the box. So
this red plume feather should appear in the main model based on the definition
of a complete set, and the other three should not. Yet Bricklink is violating
its own rule considering these three plume feathers, because if they place these
three sprues in the extra section, they would violate the other rule that parts
of a set should be presented as they appeared in a new copy of the set, i.e.
in sprues,....
The ultimate solution would be to have multiple presentations of a set,
such as:
- parts as appeared in a new set:
Like complete new sprues 4502,....
- parts used only in the main model (this would be the one you are interested
in):
For the set 6073-1, the red 4502c should be place in this presentation, i.e.
only two plume feathers used for minifigs should appear here.
- parts used for the main model,
For set 6073-1, three plume feathers should be placed in the main section, and
the other three in the extra section.
- parts used only in one of the alternate models,
For the set 6073-1, perhaps the red 4502c should be placed in the section of
the parts ONLY used in one of the alternate section.
- parts after the main model was built (so the stickers applied and so, the stickered
assemblies should appear as such in this presentation)
If you want to include the feather wheel, add it as an alternate. These additional
feathers are not seen as part of the sets by bricklink members, but as extra
pieces. If you look at castle sets for sale, they are all marked complete with
comments that extra feathers are not included.
See the definition of a complete used set:
Complete - Set contains all parts necessary to build all of the models
(including alternate models) in the instructions but does not have to contain
the original box/packaging and/or extra parts.
It does not say that a complete set contains all parts in the regular section,
does it? So based on this definition that all BL members should follow, those
sellers CORRECTLY marked their sets complete. If they explain those other 4 plume
feathers are not present in what that is sold, then they are making it even more
clear.
Please reconsider and correct all these castle sets inventories.
* Delete 1 Part 4502c Red Minifigure, Plume Feather Large
* Delete 1 Part 4502a Red Minifigure, Plume Feather Small
Comments from Submitter:
On the official notice these 2 pieces do not appear
Please see the note at the bottom of the inventory:
This set comes with one red 4502 Minifigure, Plume / Feather Wheel, 3 on Sprue,
which includes three different plumes / feathers. One of these plumes / feathers
is included in a minifigure. Therefore, the remaining two are listed separately
in the Regular Items section.
Thus, these requests will not be accepted.
Cheers,
Randy
Please explain this decision. These feathers are not in the building instructions,
so they are not part of the model. They should be categorized as 'extra pieces'.
This problem occurs in many castle sets.
If you want to include the feather wheel, add it as an alternate. These additional
feathers are not seen as part of the sets by bricklink members, but as extra
pieces. If you look at castle sets for sale, they are all marked complete with
comments that extra feathers are not included.
Please reconsider and correct all these castle sets inventories.
Cheers FJ
We have definitions on BrickLink of each category of items in an inventory:
These definitions are applied consistently across all sets, no matter what theme
they appear in or the year of release.
The only way that we would alter these definitions in the future would be the
development by BrickLink of two separate views for inventories, one for a complete
new set and one for a complete used set. Until that happens, the inventories
on BrickLink are defined by what originally came in a complete new set.
France, Hauts-de-France
USA, Ohio
Netherlands, Gelderland
Canada, Ontario
