* Add 1 Part bb0007c01pb01 Black Electric, Motor 4.5V Type A 12 x 4 x 4 (Train) with Engraved '4,5 VOLT' Pattern (Alternate) (match ID 99)
* Add 6 Part 3023old Light Gray Plate 1 x 2 with Bottom Pin (match ID 99)
* Add 10 Part 3023old Black Plate 1 x 2 with Bottom Pin (match ID 99)
* Change 10 Part Black 3023 Plate 1 x 2 {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 99}
* Change 6 Part Light Gray 3023 Plate 1 x 2 {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 99}
* Add 1 Part bb0007c01pb01 Black Electric, Motor 4.5V Type A 12 x 4 x 4 (Train) with Engraved '4,5 VOLT' Pattern (Alternate) (match ID 99)
* Add 6 Part 3023old Light Gray Plate 1 x 2 with Bottom Pin (match ID 99)
* Add 10 Part 3023old Black Plate 1 x 2 with Bottom Pin (match ID 99)
* Change 10 Part Black 3023 Plate 1 x 2 {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 99}
* Change 6 Part Light Gray 3023 Plate 1 x 2 {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 99}
is rare in blue because it came as alternate for those few trains from 1966.
It is ultra rare in black because it came as alternate for 116 and 119.
This motor had a very short production and that was in 1967, most likely about
the second half of 1967, and before TLG produced the printed one
in 1968.
We can be sure it came before this motor because I and my friend in Belgium (who
collects 118, 138, 139, 139a) have not seen it at all with 138 or other trains/sets
produced in 1968.
By the way, since 1969 the motor
I bought one early-version of 116 from Germany with box and incomplete instructions
in very good condition. All parts are in amazing mint condition and they are
pat pend.
Only one part (black brick, Round 1 x 1) is not original and we can easily assume
it fell and was lost so it was replaced with
[p=3062b]
with this set.
I don't have much hope to find this motor soon again, even as a spare part
to be sold by a seller on BL. In the last 18 months or so, only one seller in
NL had it for sale in black and I bought that one but he did not know in which
set his copy came with.
So now, I have two black bb0007c01pb01.
* Add 1 Part bb0007c01pb01 Black Electric, Motor 4.5V Type A 12 x 4 x 4 (Train) with Engraved '4,5 VOLT' Pattern (Alternate) (match ID 99)
* Add 6 Part 3023old Light Gray Plate 1 x 2 with Bottom Pin (match ID 99)
* Add 10 Part 3023old Black Plate 1 x 2 with Bottom Pin (match ID 99)
* Change 10 Part Black 3023 Plate 1 x 2 {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 99}
* Change 6 Part Light Gray 3023 Plate 1 x 2 {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 99}
is rare in blue because it came as alternate for those few trains from 1966.
It is ultra rare in black because it came as alternate for 116 and 119.
This motor had a very short production and that was in 1967, most likely about
the second half of 1967, and before TLG produced the printed one
in 1968.
We can be sure it came before this motor because I and my friend in Belgium (who
collects 118, 138, 139, 139a) have not seen it at all with 138 or other trains/sets
produced in 1968.
By the way, since 1969 the motor
I bought one early-version of 116 from Germany with box and incomplete instructions
in very good condition. All parts are in amazing mint condition and they are
pat pend.
Only one part (black brick, Round 1 x 1) is not original and we can easily assume
it fell and was lost so it was replaced with
[p=3062b]
with this set.
I don't have much hope to find this motor soon again, even as a spare part
to be sold by a seller on BL. In the last 18 months or so, only one seller in
NL had it for sale in black and I bought that one but he did not know in which
set his copy came with.
So now, I have two black bb0007c01pb01.
* Add 1 Part bb0007c01pb01 Black Electric, Motor 4.5V Type A 12 x 4 x 4 (Train) with Engraved '4,5 VOLT' Pattern (Alternate) (match ID 99)
* Add 6 Part 3023old Light Gray Plate 1 x 2 with Bottom Pin (match ID 99)
* Add 10 Part 3023old Black Plate 1 x 2 with Bottom Pin (match ID 99)
* Change 10 Part Black 3023 Plate 1 x 2 {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 99}
* Change 6 Part Light Gray 3023 Plate 1 x 2 {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 99}
is rare in blue because it came as alternate for those few trains from 1966.
It is ultra rare in black because it came as alternate for 116 and 119.
This motor had a very short production and that was in 1967, most likely about
the second half of 1967, and before TLG produced the printed one
So far you only asked a seller of the motor in a set 100 was engraved.
This was an incomplete used set, without evidence from which year it was.
So we don't know the year this motor came and we also don't know yet
if it was an alternate.
in 1968.
We can be sure it came before this motor because I and my friend in Belgium (who
collects 118, 138, 139, 139a) have not seen it at all with 138 or other trains/sets
produced in 1968.
I bought one early-version of 116 from Germany with box and incomplete instructions
in very good condition. All parts are in amazing mint condition and they are
pat pend.
Only one part (black brick, Round 1 x 1) is not original and we can easily assume
it fell and was lost so it was replaced with
[p=3062b]
with this set.
I don't have much hope to find this motor soon again, even as a spare part
to be sold by a seller on BL. In the last 18 months or so, only one seller in
NL had it for sale in black and I bought that one but he did not know in which
set his copy came with.
So now, I have two black bb0007c01pb01.
Would you please be so kind to add an image with both black bb0007c01pb01 you
have side by side? And let me know from which year you think your set came, based
on the parts that are in it. It didn't have a catalogue. I really want to
know which motor came first, second, third.
* Add 1 Part bb0007c01pb01 Black Electric, Motor 4.5V Type A 12 x 4 x 4 (Train) with Engraved '4,5 VOLT' Pattern (Alternate) (match ID 99)
* Add 6 Part 3023old Light Gray Plate 1 x 2 with Bottom Pin (match ID 99)
* Add 10 Part 3023old Black Plate 1 x 2 with Bottom Pin (match ID 99)
* Change 10 Part Black 3023 Plate 1 x 2 {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 99}
* Change 6 Part Light Gray 3023 Plate 1 x 2 {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 99}
is rare in blue because it came as alternate for those few trains from 1966.
It is ultra rare in black because it came as alternate for 116 and 119.
This motor had a very short production and that was in 1967, most likely about
the second half of 1967, and before TLG produced the printed one
Disclaimer:
When it comes to trains in 80s, I can talk in certainly.
When it comes to trains in 70s, I can talk with some confidence.
When it comes to trains in 60s, I can just talk! So I give you all I know and
what I conclude.
So far you only asked a seller of the motor in a set 100 was engraved.
I think there was another set coming with blue one in one instance. It was 112
or 113. I have to dig into my emails.
My guess is that it came with both of them.
This was an incomplete used set, without evidence from which year it was.
Why incomplete? It is complete with original parts. Only one round 1x1 brick
was lost and replaced. The bricks are in amazing conditions.
I am angry with the seller and want to return it to Germany but the condition
of bricks are amazing and I am refrain from that decision.
So we don't know the year this motor came and we also don't know yet
if it was an alternate.
in 1968.
We can be sure it came before this motor because I and my friend in Belgium (who
collects 118, 138, 139, 139a) have not seen it at all with 138 or other trains/sets
produced in 1968.
I bought one early-version of 116 from Germany with box and incomplete instructions
in very good condition. All parts are in amazing mint condition and they are
pat pend.
Only one part (black brick, Round 1 x 1) is not original and we can easily assume
it fell and was lost so it was replaced with
[p=3062b]
with this set.
I don't have much hope to find this motor soon again, even as a spare part
to be sold by a seller on BL. In the last 18 months or so, only one seller in
NL had it for sale in black and I bought that one but he did not know in which
set his copy came with.
So now, I have two black bb0007c01pb01.
that we had seen have Hollow Pin (with 156-1, 157-2, 118-1, 139A). These connectors
were discontinued in the end of 1968. But my friend Johan in Belgium (wannes.)
bought two boxed copies of 113 form USA (sold since 1968 there) and noticed that
the connectors have Cross-Cut Pin.
because it is the earliest variant as shown on the instructions and it came with
trains from 1966 too.
As for 119, I found a collectors in Germany who has bought many copies of all
vintage trains from USA, Canada, UK,.... over the last few years and now selling
them on Ebay. He told me one copy of 119 that he bought from UK come wtih
[p=bb0007c02,11]
I could not get more information.
should be in the regular section because this is the most common early version.
The other motor is very rare and does not make sense if we put it in the regular
section.
I think it fits as "minor variant"
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1562#alternateItems
Would you please be so kind to add an image with both black bb0007c01pb01 you
have side by side?
Sure, soon.
And let me know from which year you think your set came, based
on the parts that are in it. It didn't have a catalogue.
Based on the parts and what I know about them, I have no idea and I don't
have a guess!
The best course of action is to find more copies of 116 wit early variations
of parts but I don't think we will find this motor again any time soon.
I really want to
know which motor came first, second, third.
* Add 1 Part bb0007c01pb01 Black Electric, Motor 4.5V Type A 12 x 4 x 4 (Train) with Engraved '4,5 VOLT' Pattern (Alternate) (match ID 99)
* Add 6 Part 3023old Light Gray Plate 1 x 2 with Bottom Pin (match ID 99)
* Add 10 Part 3023old Black Plate 1 x 2 with Bottom Pin (match ID 99)
* Change 10 Part Black 3023 Plate 1 x 2 {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 99}
* Change 6 Part Light Gray 3023 Plate 1 x 2 {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 99}
is rare in blue because it came as alternate for those few trains from 1966.
It is ultra rare in black because it came as alternate for 116 and 119.
This motor had a very short production and that was in 1967, most likely about
the second half of 1967, and before TLG produced the printed one
Disclaimer:
When it comes to trains in 80s, I can talk in certainly.
When it comes to trains in 70s, I can talk with some confidence.
When it comes to trains in 60s, I can just talk! So I give you all I know and
what I conclude.
So far you only asked a seller of the motor in a set 100 was engraved.
I think there was another set coming with blue one in one instance. It was 112
or 113. I have to dig into my emails.
My guess is that it came with both of them.
This was an incomplete used set, without evidence from which year it was.
Why incomplete? It is complete with original parts. Only one round 1x1 brick
was lost and replaced. The bricks are in amazing conditions.
I am angry with the seller and want to return it to Germany but the condition
of bricks are amazing and I am refrain from that decision.
So we don't know the year this motor came and we also don't know yet
if it was an alternate.
in 1968.
We can be sure it came before this motor because I and my friend in Belgium (who
collects 118, 138, 139, 139a) have not seen it at all with 138 or other trains/sets
produced in 1968.
I bought one early-version of 116 from Germany with box and incomplete instructions
in very good condition. All parts are in amazing mint condition and they are
pat pend.
Only one part (black brick, Round 1 x 1) is not original and we can easily assume
it fell and was lost so it was replaced with
[p=3062b]
with this set.
I don't have much hope to find this motor soon again, even as a spare part
to be sold by a seller on BL. In the last 18 months or so, only one seller in
NL had it for sale in black and I bought that one but he did not know in which
set his copy came with.
So now, I have two black bb0007c01pb01.
that we had seen have Hollow Pin (with 156-1, 157-2, 118-1, 139A). These connectors
were discontinued in the end of 1968. But my friend Johan in Belgium (wannes.)
bought two boxed copies of 113 form USA (sold since 1968 there) and noticed that
the connectors have Cross-Cut Pin.
because it is the earliest variant as shown on the instructions and it came with
trains from 1966 too.
As for 119, I found a collectors in Germany who has bought many copies of all
vintage trains from USA, Canada, UK,.... over the last few years and now selling
them on Ebay. He told me one copy of 119 that he bought from UK come wtih
[p=bb0007c02,11]
I could not get more information.
should be in the regular section because this is the most common early version.
The other motor is very rare and does not make sense if we put it in the regular
section.
I think it fits as "minor variant"
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1562#alternateItems
Would you please be so kind to add an image with both black bb0007c01pb01 you
have side by side?
Sure, soon.
And let me know from which year you think your set came, based
on the parts that are in it. It didn't have a catalogue.
Based on the parts and what I know about them, I have no idea and I don't
have a guess!
The best course of action is to find more copies of 116 wit early variations
of parts but I don't think we will find this motor again any time soon.
I really want to
know which motor came first, second, third.
Diana
These requests will stay on hold untill further proof.
* Add 1 Part bb0007c01pb01 Black Electric, Motor 4.5V Type A 12 x 4 x 4 (Train) with Engraved '4,5 VOLT' Pattern (Alternate) (match ID 99)
* Add 6 Part 3023old Light Gray Plate 1 x 2 with Bottom Pin (match ID 99)
* Add 10 Part 3023old Black Plate 1 x 2 with Bottom Pin (match ID 99)
* Change 10 Part Black 3023 Plate 1 x 2 {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 99}
* Change 6 Part Light Gray 3023 Plate 1 x 2 {Regular to Alternate} {match ID 0 to 99}
is rare in blue because it came as alternate for those few trains from 1966.
It is ultra rare in black because it came as alternate for 116 and 119.
This motor had a very short production and that was in 1967, most likely about
the second half of 1967, and before TLG produced the printed one
Disclaimer:
When it comes to trains in 80s, I can talk in certainly.
When it comes to trains in 70s, I can talk with some confidence.
When it comes to trains in 60s, I can just talk! So I give you all I know and
what I conclude.
So far you only asked a seller of the motor in a set 100 was engraved.
I think there was another set coming with blue one in one instance. It was 112
or 113. I have to dig into my emails.
My guess is that it came with both of them.
This was an incomplete used set, without evidence from which year it was.
Why incomplete? It is complete with original parts. Only one round 1x1 brick
was lost and replaced. The bricks are in amazing conditions.
I am angry with the seller and want to return it to Germany but the condition
of bricks are amazing and I am refrain from that decision.
So we don't know the year this motor came and we also don't know yet
if it was an alternate.
in 1968.
We can be sure it came before this motor because I and my friend in Belgium (who
collects 118, 138, 139, 139a) have not seen it at all with 138 or other trains/sets
produced in 1968.
I bought one early-version of 116 from Germany with box and incomplete instructions
in very good condition. All parts are in amazing mint condition and they are
pat pend.
Only one part (black brick, Round 1 x 1) is not original and we can easily assume
it fell and was lost so it was replaced with
[p=3062b]
with this set.
I don't have much hope to find this motor soon again, even as a spare part
to be sold by a seller on BL. In the last 18 months or so, only one seller in
NL had it for sale in black and I bought that one but he did not know in which
set his copy came with.
So now, I have two black bb0007c01pb01.
that we had seen have Hollow Pin (with 156-1, 157-2, 118-1, 139A). These connectors
were discontinued in the end of 1968. But my friend Johan in Belgium (wannes.)
bought two boxed copies of 113 form USA (sold since 1968 there) and noticed that
the connectors have Cross-Cut Pin.
because it is the earliest variant as shown on the instructions and it came with
trains from 1966 too.
As for 119, I found a collectors in Germany who has bought many copies of all
vintage trains from USA, Canada, UK,.... over the last few years and now selling
them on Ebay. He told me one copy of 119 that he bought from UK come wtih
[p=bb0007c02,11]
I could not get more information.
should be in the regular section because this is the most common early version.
The other motor is very rare and does not make sense if we put it in the regular
section.
I think it fits as "minor variant"
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1562#alternateItems
Would you please be so kind to add an image with both black bb0007c01pb01 you
have side by side?
Sure, soon.
And let me know from which year you think your set came, based
on the parts that are in it. It didn't have a catalogue.
Based on the parts and what I know about them, I have no idea and I don't
have a guess!
The best course of action is to find more copies of 116 wit early variations
of parts but I don't think we will find this motor again any time soon.
I really want to
know which motor came first, second, third.
Diana
These requests will stay on hold untill further proof.
Diana
Over 8 months have passed and no additional proof has been added.
I can't approve this request based on this used set alone, especially because
items are from different periods and if that motor indeed is from 1967, it doesn't
match the battery box from 1968. Besides the round brick, either the motor
or the battery box could be replaced also and so could other items, like the
1x2 plates.
About these 1 x 2 plates. You claim set 118-1 from 1968 has red 3023old (I can't
find any proof for that btw) and black 3023 plates, while in this set it's
the other way around, both from Europe. It just doesn't make any sense.
Canada, British Columbia
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Netherlands, Gelderland
USA, Washington
