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 Author: Miro78 View Messages Posted By Miro78
 Posted: May 21, 2020 13:06
 Subject: Is dual color mold really decorated?
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Miro78 (2000)

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Should dual molded legs or arms in their respective assemblies really be considered
as decorated?
To me BL considered the decorated as by means of printing or applying decoration
using stickers.

example
 
Part No: 970c00pb0970  Name: Hips and Legs with Dark Orange Boots Pattern
* 
970c00pb0970 Hips and Legs with Dark Orange Boots Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Legs Assembly, Decor. {Blue}

the reasoning is, how is that any different from legs assembly with single color
legs but different color hips or mismatched leg colors?
 
Part No: 970d46  Name: Hips and 1 Medium Azure Left Leg, 1 Bright Light Orange Right Leg
* 
970d46 Hips and 1 Medium Azure Left Leg, 1 Bright Light Orange Right Leg
Parts: Minifigure, Legs Assembly {Coral}

I feel the same way about dual molded arms
 
Part No: 973c83  Name: Torso Plain / Yellow Arms with Green Short Sleeves Pattern / Yellow Hands
* 
973c83 (Inv) Torso Plain / Yellow Arms with Green Short Sleeves Pattern / Yellow Hands
Parts: Minifigure, Torso Assembly, Decor. {Green}

There are reasons for not separating them, mainly for new buyers not knowing
or caring about the difference or just the general way of looking at it, but
I feel like there is no real definition for the term decorated that should be
defined. As far I am concerned, dual color molding is not really decorating.

Any thoughts?

Miro
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
 Posted: May 21, 2020 13:28
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In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
  I feel like there is no real definition for the term decorated that should be
defined. As far I am concerned, dual color molding is not really decorating.

There are no real definitions for a number of things and we're working right
now to change that.

As for dual-molded parts, I would say that the appearance of the part
is what is important. If a part appears to have a pattern, then BrickLink should
probably treat it as a patterned part regardless of the production method.

This is because when anyone is looking for an item, I imagine they would want
a clean distinction between plain parts and multicolored or patterned parts.
That's not to say we couldn't distinguish dual-molded parts in some
way, either with titles or item numbers. For example, we already distinguish
patterned parts that have stickers using the part title.

Oddly enough, at least for some patterned parts where the production is with
molding, we don't identify the part as a patterned part:

 
Part No: 30566  Name: Tile, Modified 6 x 6 x 2/3 with 4 Studs and Embossed 'STAR WARS'
* 
30566 Tile, Modified 6 x 6 x 2/3 with 4 Studs and Embossed 'STAR WARS'
Parts: Tile, Modified {Dark Gray}

But sometimes we do:

 
Part No: bb0007c01pb01  Name: Electric, Motor 4.5V Type A 12 x 4 x 4 with Glued Black Plate 2 x 4 with Holes for Cable Connectors with '4,5 VOLT' (4.5 Volt) Pattern Embossed
* 
bb0007c01pb01 Electric, Motor 4.5V Type A 12 x 4 x 4 with Glued Black Plate 2 x 4 with Holes for Cable Connectors with '4,5 VOLT' (4.5 Volt) Pattern Embossed
Parts: Electric, Motor {Blue}

Which makes me wonder what the catalog means when it uses the word "embossed:"

 
Part No: 3010pb036e  Name: Brick 1 x 4 with Car Grille Black Pattern (Embossed Print)
* 
3010pb036e Brick 1 x 4 with Car Grille Black Pattern (Embossed Print)
Parts: Brick, Decorated {White}

Anyway, there's still a lot to clean up all across the catalog. The first
step is enacting solid guidelines. Right now we're working on these two
pages and would greatly appreciate input before they become official in 11 (or
fewer) days:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2487

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2479

The dual-molding issue will have to wait until we get to a catalog page that
would address it.
 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
 Posted: May 21, 2020 14:03
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  […]
Which makes me wonder what the catalog means when it uses the word "embossed:"

 
Part No: 3010pb036e  Name: Brick 1 x 4 with Car Grille Black Pattern (Embossed Print)
* 
3010pb036e Brick 1 x 4 with Car Grille Black Pattern (Embossed Print)
Parts: Brick, Decorated {White}


If you actually are wondering about this part, the pattern is both embossed and
painted, while on
 
Part No: 3010pb036s  Name: Brick 1 x 4 with Car Grille Black Pattern (Surface Print)
* 
3010pb036s Brick 1 x 4 with Car Grille Black Pattern (Surface Print)
Parts: Brick, Decorated {White}
it’s only painted.

I’ll try to make a comparison picture….
 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
 Posted: May 21, 2020 14:16
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I’ll try to make a comparison picture….

Dang. I can’t: I only have the surface paint in black.

I have both versions of the chrome ones but there already is a comparison picture.

I note
 
Part No: 3010p31  Name: Brick 1 x 4 with White Legoland Logo Pattern
* 
3010p31 Brick 1 x 4 with White Legoland Logo Pattern
Parts: Brick, Decorated {Black}
exists in both versions: there’s a comparison picture but
only one part in the catalogue….
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: May 21, 2020 15:11
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  As for dual-molded parts, I would say that the appearance of the part
is what is important. If a part appears to have a pattern, then BrickLink should
probably treat it as a patterned part regardless of the production method.

This is because when anyone is looking for an item, I imagine they would want
a clean distinction between plain parts and multicolored or patterned parts.
That's not to say we couldn't distinguish dual-molded parts in some
way, either with titles or item numbers. For example, we already distinguish
patterned parts that have stickers using the part title.


  The dual-molding issue will have to wait until we get to a catalog page that
would address it.

I don't care either way, but it would be very useful to know which legs are
dual molded (and so have the correct colours on the back of the legs) vs those
that are printed (and so have a single colour on the backs).
 Author: Miro78 View Messages Posted By Miro78
 Posted: May 21, 2020 15:35
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In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
  
  As for dual-molded parts, I would say that the appearance of the part
is what is important. If a part appears to have a pattern, then BrickLink should
probably treat it as a patterned part regardless of the production method.

This is because when anyone is looking for an item, I imagine they would want
a clean distinction between plain parts and multicolored or patterned parts.
That's not to say we couldn't distinguish dual-molded parts in some
way, either with titles or item numbers. For example, we already distinguish
patterned parts that have stickers using the part title.


  The dual-molding issue will have to wait until we get to a catalog page that
would address it.

I don't care either way, but it would be very useful to know which legs are
dual molded (and so have the correct colours on the back of the legs) vs those
that are printed (and so have a single colour on the backs).

I agree. Not to mention those that want to remove the decoration for their customization
or whatever purpose will not be able to do so with the dual-molded version.

Miro
 Author: Miro78 View Messages Posted By Miro78
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
  I feel like there is no real definition for the term decorated that should be
defined. As far I am concerned, dual color molding is not really decorating.

There are no real definitions for a number of things and we're working right
now to change that.

As for dual-molded parts, I would say that the appearance of the part
is what is important. If a part appears to have a pattern, then BrickLink should
probably treat it as a patterned part regardless of the production method.

This is because when anyone is looking for an item, I imagine they would want
a clean distinction between plain parts and multicolored or patterned parts.
That's not to say we couldn't distinguish dual-molded parts in some
way, either with titles or item numbers. For example, we already distinguish
patterned parts that have stickers using the part title.

Oddly enough, at least for some patterned parts where the production is with
molding, we don't identify the part as a patterned part:

 
Part No: 30566  Name: Tile, Modified 6 x 6 x 2/3 with 4 Studs and Embossed 'STAR WARS'
* 
30566 Tile, Modified 6 x 6 x 2/3 with 4 Studs and Embossed 'STAR WARS'
Parts: Tile, Modified {Dark Gray}

But sometimes we do:

 
Part No: bb0007c01pb01  Name: Electric, Motor 4.5V Type A 12 x 4 x 4 with Glued Black Plate 2 x 4 with Holes for Cable Connectors with '4,5 VOLT' (4.5 Volt) Pattern Embossed
* 
bb0007c01pb01 Electric, Motor 4.5V Type A 12 x 4 x 4 with Glued Black Plate 2 x 4 with Holes for Cable Connectors with '4,5 VOLT' (4.5 Volt) Pattern Embossed
Parts: Electric, Motor {Blue}

Which makes me wonder what the catalog means when it uses the word "embossed:"

 
Part No: 3010pb036e  Name: Brick 1 x 4 with Car Grille Black Pattern (Embossed Print)
* 
3010pb036e Brick 1 x 4 with Car Grille Black Pattern (Embossed Print)
Parts: Brick, Decorated {White}

Anyway, there's still a lot to clean up all across the catalog. The first
step is enacting solid guidelines. Right now we're working on these two
pages and would greatly appreciate input before they become official in 11 (or
fewer) days:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2487

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2479

The dual-molding issue will have to wait until we get to a catalog page that
would address it.

I would certainly like dual-molded differentiated from printed or stickered.
The additional wrinkle is there is no way of knowing when a part is dual-molded
or not.

For example these legs
 
Part No: 92253c00pb01  Name: Mini Doll Friends Hips and Trousers with Back Pockets with Dark Tan Shoes Pattern
* 
92253c00pb01 Mini Doll Friends Hips and Trousers with Back Pockets with Dark Tan Shoes Pattern
Parts: Mini Doll, Legs Assembly {Dark Blue}
come in dual molded and printed version of the shoes, but BL did not implement
the differentiation even though I brought it up in the past. The quality is vastly
different and hence why Lego decided to start doing dual molding of minifig/minidoll
parts

Miro
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In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
  In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
  I feel like there is no real definition for the term decorated that should be
defined. As far I am concerned, dual color molding is not really decorating.

There are no real definitions for a number of things and we're working right
now to change that.

As for dual-molded parts, I would say that the appearance of the part
is what is important. If a part appears to have a pattern, then BrickLink should
probably treat it as a patterned part regardless of the production method.

This is because when anyone is looking for an item, I imagine they would want
a clean distinction between plain parts and multicolored or patterned parts.
That's not to say we couldn't distinguish dual-molded parts in some
way, either with titles or item numbers. For example, we already distinguish
patterned parts that have stickers using the part title.

Oddly enough, at least for some patterned parts where the production is with
molding, we don't identify the part as a patterned part:

 
Part No: 30566  Name: Tile, Modified 6 x 6 x 2/3 with 4 Studs and Embossed 'STAR WARS'
* 
30566 Tile, Modified 6 x 6 x 2/3 with 4 Studs and Embossed 'STAR WARS'
Parts: Tile, Modified {Dark Gray}

But sometimes we do:

 
Part No: bb0007c01pb01  Name: Electric, Motor 4.5V Type A 12 x 4 x 4 with Glued Black Plate 2 x 4 with Holes for Cable Connectors with '4,5 VOLT' (4.5 Volt) Pattern Embossed
* 
bb0007c01pb01 Electric, Motor 4.5V Type A 12 x 4 x 4 with Glued Black Plate 2 x 4 with Holes for Cable Connectors with '4,5 VOLT' (4.5 Volt) Pattern Embossed
Parts: Electric, Motor {Blue}

Which makes me wonder what the catalog means when it uses the word "embossed:"

 
Part No: 3010pb036e  Name: Brick 1 x 4 with Car Grille Black Pattern (Embossed Print)
* 
3010pb036e Brick 1 x 4 with Car Grille Black Pattern (Embossed Print)
Parts: Brick, Decorated {White}

Anyway, there's still a lot to clean up all across the catalog. The first
step is enacting solid guidelines. Right now we're working on these two
pages and would greatly appreciate input before they become official in 11 (or
fewer) days:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2487

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2479

The dual-molding issue will have to wait until we get to a catalog page that
would address it.

I would certainly like dual-molded differentiated from printed or stickered.
The additional wrinkle is there is no way of knowing when a part is dual-molded
or not.

For example these legs
 
Part No: 92253c00pb01  Name: Mini Doll Friends Hips and Trousers with Back Pockets with Dark Tan Shoes Pattern
* 
92253c00pb01 Mini Doll Friends Hips and Trousers with Back Pockets with Dark Tan Shoes Pattern
Parts: Mini Doll, Legs Assembly {Dark Blue}
come in dual molded and printed version of the shoes, but BL did not implement
the differentiation even though I brought it up in the past. The quality is vastly
different and hence why Lego decided to start doing dual molding of minifig/minidoll
parts

Miro

I would like to see dual-molded parts differentiated too, maybe a new suffix
needs to be created... Maybe Stormchaser has already thought about some options?
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In Catalog, Stellar writes:
  I would like to see dual-molded parts differentiated too, maybe a new suffix
needs to be created... Maybe Stormchaser has already thought about some options?

I would say it needs to be something in the titles, not in the part number.
We would need something very short because torso assemblies where some parts
occur already have crammed titles. So a code, of sorts, like BAM. It will need
to be something not used in any other part titles or numbers.

Having all that in mind, what do you think about adding the letters DMO
(standing for Dual MOlded) to the titles of dual-molded parts?
This would include those parts that come in similar printed/molded patterns
that are not currently distinguished with separate catalog entries.

This will allow two things: finding all dual molded parts in the catalog by search
and excluding dual molded parts from searches.
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, Stellar writes:
  I would like to see dual-molded parts differentiated too, maybe a new suffix
needs to be created... Maybe Stormchaser has already thought about some options?

I would say it needs to be something in the titles, not in the part number.
We would need something very short because torso assemblies where some parts
occur already have crammed titles. So a code, of sorts, like BAM. It will need
to be something not used in any other part titles or numbers.

Having all that in mind, what do you think about adding the letters DMO
(standing for Dual MOlded) to the titles of dual-molded parts?
This would include those parts that come in similar printed/molded patterns
that are not currently distinguished with separate catalog entries.

This will allow two things: finding all dual molded parts in the catalog by search
and excluding dual molded parts from searches.

Anything to distinguish the Dual MOlded (DMO) from Non-Dual Molded would help.
Although I am not sure people would know what DMO stands for outside of this
thread. I understand the need for a unique acronym.

DCM could be another acronym for Dual Color Mold if you want a 3 letter acronym,
since the O in DMO is not that fitting. This way if they ever do a Triple Color
Mold (TCM) you could distinguish it easily.

Miro
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In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
  In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, Stellar writes:
  I would like to see dual-molded parts differentiated too, maybe a new suffix
needs to be created... Maybe Stormchaser has already thought about some options?

I would say it needs to be something in the titles, not in the part number.
We would need something very short because torso assemblies where some parts
occur already have crammed titles. So a code, of sorts, like BAM. It will need
to be something not used in any other part titles or numbers.

Having all that in mind, what do you think about adding the letters DMO
(standing for Dual MOlded) to the titles of dual-molded parts?
This would include those parts that come in similar printed/molded patterns
that are not currently distinguished with separate catalog entries.

This will allow two things: finding all dual molded parts in the catalog by search
and excluding dual molded parts from searches.

Anything to distinguish the Dual MOlded (DMO) from Non-Dual Molded would help.
Although I am not sure people would know what DMO stands for outside of this
thread. I understand the need for a unique acronym.

DCM could be another acronym for Dual Color Mold if you want a 3 letter acronym,
since the O in DMO is not that fitting. This way if they ever do a Triple Color
Mold (TCM) you could distinguish it easily.

Miro

or MCM for Multi Color Mould to cover any future eventuality.

I changed them when I changed the legs and torsos around based on the theory
Robert mentioned up the thread but I'm glad it was brought up and is being
discussed
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In Catalog, BricksThatStick writes:
  In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
  In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, Stellar writes:
  I would like to see dual-molded parts differentiated too, maybe a new suffix
needs to be created... Maybe Stormchaser has already thought about some options?

I would say it needs to be something in the titles, not in the part number.
We would need something very short because torso assemblies where some parts
occur already have crammed titles. So a code, of sorts, like BAM. It will need
to be something not used in any other part titles or numbers.

Having all that in mind, what do you think about adding the letters DMO
(standing for Dual MOlded) to the titles of dual-molded parts?
This would include those parts that come in similar printed/molded patterns
that are not currently distinguished with separate catalog entries.

This will allow two things: finding all dual molded parts in the catalog by search
and excluding dual molded parts from searches.

Anything to distinguish the Dual MOlded (DMO) from Non-Dual Molded would help.
Although I am not sure people would know what DMO stands for outside of this
thread. I understand the need for a unique acronym.

DCM could be another acronym for Dual Color Mold if you want a 3 letter acronym,
since the O in DMO is not that fitting. This way if they ever do a Triple Color
Mold (TCM) you could distinguish it easily.

Miro

or MCM for Multi Color Mould to cover any future eventuality.

I changed them when I changed the legs and torsos around based on the theory
Robert mentioned up the thread but I'm glad it was brought up and is being
discussed

I think we should decide a term that fits more than Dual moulded too, so MCM
is a good option. But we never know if in the future Lego might do hundreds of
dual and triple and future selfs would like to distinguish them

But as things are, this is not likely the case haha
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  I think we should decide a term that fits more than Dual moulded too, so MCM
is a good option. But we never know if in the future Lego might do hundreds of
dual and triple and future selfs would like to distinguish them

But as things are, this is not likely the case haha

Yes, multi-color molded is probably a good idea rather than dual. If for example
there is a piece with A-B-A colouring (like Bart Simpson legs) is that dual or
triple molding? It might be triple molded but dual colored.
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In Catalog, BricksThatStick writes:
  In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
  In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, Stellar writes:
  I would like to see dual-molded parts differentiated too, maybe a new suffix
needs to be created... Maybe Stormchaser has already thought about some options?

I would say it needs to be something in the titles, not in the part number.
We would need something very short because torso assemblies where some parts
occur already have crammed titles. So a code, of sorts, like BAM. It will need
to be something not used in any other part titles or numbers.

Having all that in mind, what do you think about adding the letters DMO
(standing for Dual MOlded) to the titles of dual-molded parts?
This would include those parts that come in similar printed/molded patterns
that are not currently distinguished with separate catalog entries.

This will allow two things: finding all dual molded parts in the catalog by search
and excluding dual molded parts from searches.

Anything to distinguish the Dual MOlded (DMO) from Non-Dual Molded would help.
Although I am not sure people would know what DMO stands for outside of this
thread. I understand the need for a unique acronym.

DCM could be another acronym for Dual Color Mold if you want a 3 letter acronym,
since the O in DMO is not that fitting. This way if they ever do a Triple Color
Mold (TCM) you could distinguish it easily.

Miro

or MCM for Multi Color Mould to cover any future eventuality.

I changed them when I changed the legs and torsos around based on the theory
Robert mentioned up the thread but I'm glad it was brought up and is being
discussed

I like the MCM (Multi Color Mould) acronym. It future proofs things and certainly
distinguishes from SCM (Single Color Mould) parts. Thanks for the suggestion.
This should had been addressed when these parts started to appear first back
in 2014. Problem with many images is that it's hard to tell if they are MCM
or SCM, especially with the digital images replacing actual images. That being
said, this needs to happen sooner than later. It's an important classification
that affects those that need to know or care.

Miro
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In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
  This should had been addressed when these parts started to appear first back
in 2014. Problem with many images is that it's hard to tell if they are MCM
or SCM, especially with the digital images replacing actual images. That being
said, this needs to happen sooner than later. It's an important classification
that affects those that need to know or care.

I've added this to the roadmap because there is more involved here than just
identifying and retitling MCM parts. It's the most recent project added
(end of the list):

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2476

Our goal is to get through one project every month. This is not an overly complicated
project, so hopefully it will happen relatively soon. I would suggest this to
anyone reading: begin working on compiling a list of MCM parts so that when we
begin the project we can breeze through it quickly.
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
  This should had been addressed when these parts started to appear first back
in 2014. Problem with many images is that it's hard to tell if they are MCM
or SCM, especially with the digital images replacing actual images. That being
said, this needs to happen sooner than later. It's an important classification
that affects those that need to know or care.

I've added this to the roadmap because there is more involved here than just
identifying and retitling MCM parts. It's the most recent project added
(end of the list):

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2476

Our goal is to get through one project every month. This is not an overly complicated
project, so hopefully it will happen relatively soon. I would suggest this to
anyone reading: begin working on compiling a list of MCM parts so that when we
begin the project we can breeze through it quickly.

Don't forget about the choice of which of the colors is variable and which
is fixed. See https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=267557 that I brought
up two weeks ago. There is more to it than just the item descriptions.
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In Catalog, hpoort writes:
  Don't forget about the choice of which of the colors is variable and which
is fixed. See https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=267557 that I brought
up two weeks ago. There is more to it than just the item descriptions.

We haven't forgotten those. They're the main reason why that project
in progress is still in progress. We're just focusing more on the other
two in-progress projects at the moment. They'll all three be finished before
the end of this year (and hopefully, for the project you mention, within the
next three months or so).
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In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
  This should had been addressed when these parts started to appear first back
in 2014. Problem with many images is that it's hard to tell if they are MCM
or SCM, especially with the digital images replacing actual images. That being
said, this needs to happen sooner than later. It's an important classification
that affects those that need to know or care.

I've added this to the roadmap because there is more involved here than just
identifying and retitling MCM parts. It's the most recent project added
(end of the list):

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2476

Our goal is to get through one project every month. This is not an overly complicated
project, so hopefully it will happen relatively soon. I would suggest this to
anyone reading: begin working on compiling a list of MCM parts so that when we
begin the project we can breeze through it quickly.

Thank you for adding this to the roadmap. It will be a great asset in the catalogue
and sounds the like MCM acronym is sticking. As some of the parts get identified,
I imagine some entries will need to be changed to "a" and "b" during the transition
that happened in 2014, like the Friends legs that I identified. I also see the
dark blue legs with tan and dark shoes has probably more to do with the original
intent being tan, which looks tan with MCM, but look dark tan when tan color
is applied to dark blue mold, as you can see in my photo here: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=851619

 
Minifig No: frnd043  Name: Friends Matthew, Dark Blue Trousers, Bright Green Polo Shirt
* 
frnd043 (Inv) Friends Matthew, Dark Blue Trousers, Bright Green Polo Shirt
Minifigs: Friends
with printed color

 
Minifig No: frnd066  Name: Friends Andrew, Dark Blue Trousers, Medium Blue Polo Shirt, Blue Cap
* 
frnd066 (Inv) Friends Andrew, Dark Blue Trousers, Medium Blue Polo Shirt, Blue Cap
Minifigs: Friends
with MCM

Miro
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In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
  In Catalog, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
  I feel like there is no real definition for the term decorated that should be
defined. As far I am concerned, dual color molding is not really decorating.

There are no real definitions for a number of things and we're working right
now to change that.

As for dual-molded parts, I would say that the appearance of the part
is what is important. If a part appears to have a pattern, then BrickLink should
probably treat it as a patterned part regardless of the production method.

This is because when anyone is looking for an item, I imagine they would want
a clean distinction between plain parts and multicolored or patterned parts.
That's not to say we couldn't distinguish dual-molded parts in some
way, either with titles or item numbers. For example, we already distinguish
patterned parts that have stickers using the part title.

Oddly enough, at least for some patterned parts where the production is with
molding, we don't identify the part as a patterned part:

 
Part No: 30566  Name: Tile, Modified 6 x 6 x 2/3 with 4 Studs and Embossed 'STAR WARS'
* 
30566 Tile, Modified 6 x 6 x 2/3 with 4 Studs and Embossed 'STAR WARS'
Parts: Tile, Modified {Dark Gray}

But sometimes we do:

 
Part No: bb0007c01pb01  Name: Electric, Motor 4.5V Type A 12 x 4 x 4 with Glued Black Plate 2 x 4 with Holes for Cable Connectors with '4,5 VOLT' (4.5 Volt) Pattern Embossed
* 
bb0007c01pb01 Electric, Motor 4.5V Type A 12 x 4 x 4 with Glued Black Plate 2 x 4 with Holes for Cable Connectors with '4,5 VOLT' (4.5 Volt) Pattern Embossed
Parts: Electric, Motor {Blue}

Which makes me wonder what the catalog means when it uses the word "embossed:"

 
Part No: 3010pb036e  Name: Brick 1 x 4 with Car Grille Black Pattern (Embossed Print)
* 
3010pb036e Brick 1 x 4 with Car Grille Black Pattern (Embossed Print)
Parts: Brick, Decorated {White}

Anyway, there's still a lot to clean up all across the catalog. The first
step is enacting solid guidelines. Right now we're working on these two
pages and would greatly appreciate input before they become official in 11 (or
fewer) days:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2487

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2479

The dual-molding issue will have to wait until we get to a catalog page that
would address it.

I would certainly like dual-molded differentiated from printed or stickered.
The additional wrinkle is there is no way of knowing when a part is dual-molded
or not.

For example these legs
 
Part No: 92253c00pb01  Name: Mini Doll Friends Hips and Trousers with Back Pockets with Dark Tan Shoes Pattern
* 
92253c00pb01 Mini Doll Friends Hips and Trousers with Back Pockets with Dark Tan Shoes Pattern
Parts: Mini Doll, Legs Assembly {Dark Blue}
come in dual molded and printed version of the shoes, but BL did not implement
the differentiation even though I brought it up in the past. The quality is vastly
different and hence why Lego decided to start doing dual molding of minifig/minidoll
parts

Miro

Hey look at that. I found my post about this from 70 months ago.
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=851619

Miro
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In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
  Hey look at that. I found my post about this from 70 months ago.
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=851619

I found a thread from November, 2018 that bears some relevance to the topic at
hand:

https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=245060&nID=1117413
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In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
  Should dual molded legs or arms in their respective assemblies really be considered
as decorated?
To me BL considered the decorated as by means of printing or applying decoration
using stickers.

example
 
Part No: 970c00pb0970  Name: Hips and Legs with Dark Orange Boots Pattern
* 
970c00pb0970 Hips and Legs with Dark Orange Boots Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Legs Assembly, Decor. {Blue}

the reasoning is, how is that any different from legs assembly with single color
legs but different color hips or mismatched leg colors?
 
Part No: 970d46  Name: Hips and 1 Medium Azure Left Leg, 1 Bright Light Orange Right Leg
* 
970d46 Hips and 1 Medium Azure Left Leg, 1 Bright Light Orange Right Leg
Parts: Minifigure, Legs Assembly {Coral}

I feel the same way about dual molded arms
 
Part No: 973c83  Name: Torso Plain / Yellow Arms with Green Short Sleeves Pattern / Yellow Hands
* 
973c83 (Inv) Torso Plain / Yellow Arms with Green Short Sleeves Pattern / Yellow Hands
Parts: Minifigure, Torso Assembly, Decor. {Green}

There are reasons for not separating them, mainly for new buyers not knowing
or caring about the difference or just the general way of looking at it, but
I feel like there is no real definition for the term decorated that should be
defined. As far I am concerned, dual color molding is not really decorating.

Any thoughts?

Miro

I support the change. Also the pics you posted are lovely.
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In Catalog, axaday writes:
  In Catalog, Miro78 writes:
  Should dual molded legs or arms in their respective assemblies really be considered
as decorated?
To me BL considered the decorated as by means of printing or applying decoration
using stickers.

example
 
Part No: 970c00pb0970  Name: Hips and Legs with Dark Orange Boots Pattern
* 
970c00pb0970 Hips and Legs with Dark Orange Boots Pattern
Parts: Minifigure, Legs Assembly, Decor. {Blue}

the reasoning is, how is that any different from legs assembly with single color
legs but different color hips or mismatched leg colors?
 
Part No: 970d46  Name: Hips and 1 Medium Azure Left Leg, 1 Bright Light Orange Right Leg
* 
970d46 Hips and 1 Medium Azure Left Leg, 1 Bright Light Orange Right Leg
Parts: Minifigure, Legs Assembly {Coral}

I feel the same way about dual molded arms
 
Part No: 973c83  Name: Torso Plain / Yellow Arms with Green Short Sleeves Pattern / Yellow Hands
* 
973c83 (Inv) Torso Plain / Yellow Arms with Green Short Sleeves Pattern / Yellow Hands
Parts: Minifigure, Torso Assembly, Decor. {Green}

There are reasons for not separating them, mainly for new buyers not knowing
or caring about the difference or just the general way of looking at it, but
I feel like there is no real definition for the term decorated that should be
defined. As far I am concerned, dual color molding is not really decorating.

Any thoughts?

Miro

I support the change. Also the pics you posted are lovely.

LOL