Discussion Forum: Thread 357575

 Author: AppleMacJack View Messages Posted By AppleMacJack
 Posted: May 9, 2024 16:36
 Subject: Buyer hasn't received item, I have POP
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AppleMacJack (168)

Location:  United Kingdom, England
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Store: Nubrix
Hopefully this is the right space to ask this:

My buyer has messaged stating they haven't received their item - I have proof
of posting but no tracking info and have already submitted a missing letter claim
with Royal Mail.

I'm wondering what I should do:

1. refund the buyer and hope Royal Mail don't tell me they've already
delivered the item?;
2. wait for Royal Mail to respond which could take another few days, and my buyer
has already sent several messages as they want their items?

Any advice would be appreciated!
 Author: SezaR View Messages Posted By SezaR
 Posted: May 9, 2024 16:51
 Subject: Re: Buyer hasn't received item, I have POP
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SezaR (1395)

Location:  Canada, British Columbia
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Store: Sezar's trains
In Selling, AppleMacJack writes:
  Hopefully this is the right space to ask this:

My buyer has messaged stating they haven't received their item - I have proof
of posting but no tracking info and have already submitted a missing letter claim
with Royal Mail.

I'm wondering what I should do:

1. refund the buyer and hope Royal Mail don't tell me they've already
delivered the item?;
2. wait for Royal Mail to respond which could take another few days, and my buyer
has already sent several messages as they want their items?

Any advice would be appreciated!

Is it 100% your responsibility! If he does not receive it or even if he is lying,
you should refund.

I don't know about prices of Royal mail, in Canada, I can send a letter without
tracking for just $2.35 but with tracking for $14. For small orders, I don't
charge tracking but add like $0.5 to each order. If a buyer claims he did not
receive his order, I refund, i.e. those extra $0.5 I have been charging would
be covering the cost of such missing letter.

But delays happen. I had a buyer that didn't receive it. I finally re-sent
his order (two small classic space sets that I had) but after 2.5 months, he
messaged me that the first order had just arrived! Another recent case: buyer
claimed he did not receive anything. I messaged back twice and requested him
to be patient. This is what I wrote:

May 1st
Hi XXXX,

So far, among those I sent or received (about 500), no mailer has gone lost.
It is possible the mailer is accidentally sent to a different province or post
warehouse than yours. I had one package with tracking to be delivered within
my province but sent to Ontario and then they returned it back to BC. Last year,
I sent a mailer to Quebec on about 10h Jan. and was finally received on 20th
March, about 2.5 month later, when I had already resolved.
As a buyer, if i don't mind to receive the part later, I would just wait
up to 3 months (which is indeed too long), otherwise if I need the parts earlier
I would ask a refund but if later, the mailer turns up in my mailbox, I would
return it to the seller.

I think 6 weeks is expected when a delay happens and beyond that, it is an exceptional
case.

So please let me know, what you would prefer.


I guess because of my message, I felt reassured and preferred to wait and on
May 6th, he wrote me:
Hey XXX,

Guess what? I got it today!

Cheers,


So far, all my letters without tracking are delivered (about 300-500?).

I hope this helps.
 Author: v100Bricks View Messages Posted By v100Bricks
 Posted: May 9, 2024 17:03
 Subject: Re: Buyer hasn't received item, I have POP
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v100Bricks (145)

Location:  United Kingdom, Scotland
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I’ve had quite a few delays recently with Royal Mail, both as a buyer and a seller,
but they have got there eventually.
I would ask the buyer to be patient for a week to 10 days before actioning the
refund.
I would raise the case with RM as soon as they allow as sometime that magically
causes the package to appear.

That said if the buyer does not agree, you are obliged to refund within a reasonable
time.but what’s is reasonable…
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: May 9, 2024 17:04
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yorbrick (1185)

Location:  United Kingdom, England
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In Selling, AppleMacJack writes:
  Hopefully this is the right space to ask this:

My buyer has messaged stating they haven't received their item - I have proof
of posting but no tracking info and have already submitted a missing letter claim
with Royal Mail.

I'm wondering what I should do:

1. refund the buyer and hope Royal Mail don't tell me they've already
delivered the item?;
2. wait for Royal Mail to respond which could take another few days, and my buyer
has already sent several messages as they want their items?

Any advice would be appreciated!

If you only have proof of posting, Royal Mail won't know if it has been delivered.
They will likely refund you anyway, so refund the buyer.
 Author: Nubs_Select View Messages Posted By Nubs_Select
 Posted: May 9, 2024 17:15
 Subject: Re: Buyer hasn't received item, I have POP
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Nubs_Select (3783)

Location:  Canada, Ontario
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Store: Nub's Select
In Selling, AppleMacJack writes:
  Hopefully this is the right space to ask this:

My buyer has messaged stating they haven't received their item - I have proof
of posting but no tracking info and have already submitted a missing letter claim
with Royal Mail.

I'm wondering what I should do:

1. refund the buyer and hope Royal Mail don't tell me they've already
delivered the item?;
2. wait for Royal Mail to respond which could take another few days, and my buyer
has already sent several messages as they want their items?

Any advice would be appreciated!

wait until you get a reply from Royal Mail then if they find it let the customer
know and if they dont then refund them.
 Author: 1001bricks View Messages Posted By 1001bricks
 Posted: May 9, 2024 17:35
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1001bricks (52399)

Location:  France, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur
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Store: 1001bricks
In Selling, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Selling, AppleMacJack writes:
  Hopefully this is the right space to ask this:

My buyer has messaged stating they haven't received their item - I have proof
of posting but no tracking info and have already submitted a missing letter claim
with Royal Mail.

I'm wondering what I should do:

1. refund the buyer and hope Royal Mail don't tell me they've already
delivered the item?;
2. wait for Royal Mail to respond which could take another few days, and my buyer
has already sent several messages as they want their items?

Any advice would be appreciated!

wait until you get a reply from Royal Mail then if they find it let the customer
know and if they dont then refund them.


Yes/no - I wouldn't wait if the delay's already clearly abnormal, like
2x or 3x the normal delay (seller to decide what's "normal".

It may still arrive, and sometimes the buyer will wrote you back and repay the
order again when refunded!

Or they won't tell you, but they know you're truthy and reliable and
maybe they'll be your buyer for life - which has no price

All in all, making buyers happy has a positive effect on the whole community;
it's not only your shop
 Author: Familybuild View Messages Posted By Familybuild
 Posted: May 10, 2024 07:04
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Familybuild (105)

Location:  Netherlands, Zuid-Holland
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Store: FamilyBuilds
Hi,

Thus far i've had two letter post orders gone missing.

One domestic: although this one felt honestly sketchy , due to the fact the buyer
did receive a update in their postal app that the letter (including picture of
it) would arrive the next day.

- i have asked this buyer to check in with their neighbours because it might
had been posted in the wrong mailbox; no avail.

- after that i've agreed with the buyer to wait for delivery for a maximum
of 2 weeks.

- on agreed upon date still no package arrived? Instant 100% refund including
shipping.

The other letter was an international order from NL to France:

Here also nicely communicated with the buyer, with the only big difference being
the waiting time was much longer due to international post can sometimes take
forever where it normally takes a week or so..

This buyer also got refunded.

After this order i've stopped international orders to take place with Letters
as their delivery method.

International postal rules state : goods/producte cant be sent with the letter
method.
This greatly increases the chance for a letter to get lost/seized/destroyed.
Alot of sellers here and elsewhere are not yet fully aware of this.
That combined with their harsh stance in their (illegal) ToS statements,
Can cause some problems for shops in the (near) future.

Aliexpress flooded this into exinstance.