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| | | Author: | TakeAbricK  | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2022 05:08 | | Subject: | BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 226 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| I have two orders from France (June 30), 21% Netherlands VAT is calculated instead
of France VAT 20%. It was still correct with June 28 orders.
Please correct asap!
Diana
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| | | | | Author: | TakeAbricK | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2022 05:14 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| In Technical Issues, TakeAbricK writes:
| | I have two orders from France (June 30), 21% Netherlands VAT is calculated instead
of France VAT 20%. It was still correct with June 28 orders.
Please correct asap!
Diana
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wrong at June 29 - June 30
correct at June 28
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| | | | | | | Author: | TakeAbricK | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2022 07:34 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| In Technical Issues, TakeAbricK writes:
| | In Technical Issues, TakeAbricK writes:
| | I have two orders from France (June 30), 21% Netherlands VAT is calculated instead
of France VAT 20%. It was still correct with June 28 orders.
Please correct asap!
Diana
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wrong at June 29 - June 30
correct at June 28
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Am I the only seller having these problems, or did I miss something?
I really hope it will be set back the way it was, otherwise I have to work nights
as well.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2022 07:41 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| In Technical Issues, TakeAbricK writes:
| | | | | | I have two orders from France (June 30), 21% Netherlands VAT is calculated instead
of France VAT 20%. It was still correct with June 28 orders.
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[…]
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Stupid question but is your EU distance selling setting correctly set? (I mean,
check it wasn’t somehow unset.)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | TakeAbricK | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2022 07:46 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| In Technical Issues, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Technical Issues, TakeAbricK writes:
| | | | | | I have two orders from France (June 30), 21% Netherlands VAT is calculated instead
of France VAT 20%. It was still correct with June 28 orders.
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[…]
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Stupid question but is your EU distance selling setting correctly set? (I mean,
check it wasn’t somehow unset.)
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Nothing has been changed in my settings.
I also noticed that a lot of German Sellers show 19% VAT in their store, while
I know some of them had 21% for Dutch Buyers.
If you go to my store, do you see 20% or 21% on the top of the page?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | rankster | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2022 07:50 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| In Technical Issues, TakeAbricK writes:
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If you go to my store, do you see 20% or 21% on the top of the page?
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It's definitely messed up. I see 21% in your store which should be 20% since
I'm from Austria.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | miskox | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2022 08:16 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| | | If you go to my store, do you see 20% or 21% on the top of the page?
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I see 21% (should be 22% Slovenian VAT).
Saso
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| | | | | Author: | rankster | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2022 07:56 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 64 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| In Technical Issues, TakeAbricK writes:
| | I have two orders from France (June 30), 21% Netherlands VAT is calculated instead
of France VAT 20%. It was still correct with June 28 orders.
Please correct asap!
Diana
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I can confirm this error too, I also received an order from a Polish customer
(23% VAT) on Jun 30 which had no VAT included.
When I click on Edit Order there is no option to turn on/off VAT like usual.
My distance selling option is also turned on, I haven't touched it since
the beginning.
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| | | | | | | Author: | TakeAbricK | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2022 07:59 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| In Technical Issues, rankster writes:
| | In Technical Issues, TakeAbricK writes:
| | I have two orders from France (June 30), 21% Netherlands VAT is calculated instead
of France VAT 20%. It was still correct with June 28 orders.
Please correct asap!
Diana
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I can confirm this error too, I also received an order from a Polish customer
(23% VAT) on Jun 30 which had no VAT included.
When I click on Edit Order there is no option to turn on/off VAT like usual.
My distance selling option is also turned on, I haven't touched it since
the beginning.
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I don't see any VAT in your store!
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Alico64 | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2022 08:04 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| In Technical Issues, TakeAbricK writes:
| | In Technical Issues, rankster writes:
| | In Technical Issues, TakeAbricK writes:
| | I have two orders from France (June 30), 21% Netherlands VAT is calculated instead
of France VAT 20%. It was still correct with June 28 orders.
Please correct asap!
Diana
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I can confirm this error too, I also received an order from a Polish customer
(23% VAT) on Jun 30 which had no VAT included.
When I click on Edit Order there is no option to turn on/off VAT like usual.
My distance selling option is also turned on, I haven't touched it since
the beginning.
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I don't see any VAT in your store!
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I can see 21% in your store (I'm from the Netherlands)
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2022 08:10 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| In Technical Issues, TakeAbricK writes:
| | In Technical Issues, rankster writes:
| | In Technical Issues, TakeAbricK writes:
| | I have two orders from France (June 30), 21% Netherlands VAT is calculated instead
of France VAT 20%. It was still correct with June 28 orders.
Please correct asap!
Diana
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I can confirm this error too, I also received an order from a Polish customer
(23% VAT) on Jun 30 which had no VAT included.
When I click on Edit Order there is no option to turn on/off VAT like usual.
My distance selling option is also turned on, I haven't touched it since
the beginning.
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I don't see any VAT in your store!
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Same: 21% instead of 20% for you, TakeAbricK, & no VAT at all for rankster.
I wonder if this is related to the implementation of marketplace laws for Canada
that should have started today (1. if I’m not mistaken; 2. I’m talking about
the laws: I don’t know about the implementation as I’m not in Canada and there’s
been no detailled announcement).
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | rankster | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2022 08:13 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| In Technical Issues, TakeAbricK writes:
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I don't see any VAT in your store!
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That makes it even stranger. The reason could be that my domestic VAT is not
enabled (I'm VAT-exempt locally) but distance selling (OSS) is enabled.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2022 08:03 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| In Technical Issues, rankster writes:
| | In Technical Issues, TakeAbricK writes:
| | I have two orders from France (June 30), 21% Netherlands VAT is calculated instead
of France VAT 20%. It was still correct with June 28 orders.
Please correct asap!
Diana
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I can confirm this error too, I also received an order from a Polish customer
(23% VAT) on Jun 30 which had no VAT included.
When I click on Edit Order there is no option to turn on/off VAT like usual.
My distance selling option is also turned on, I haven't touched it since
the beginning.
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What % vat do you see in my store fornt?
My last order from EU from a country with different VAT rate is from Italy:
Order Date: Jun 28, 2022 10:04
Vat there is 22% and displayed correctly.
In your store I don't see that you have VAT activated, I think you couldn't
use OSS if you don't put your VAT number and activate it firsty
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | rankster | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2022 08:08 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| In Technical Issues, Stellar writes:
| | In Technical Issues, rankster writes:
| | I can confirm this error too, I also received an order from a Polish customer
(23% VAT) on Jun 30 which had no VAT included.
When I click on Edit Order there is no option to turn on/off VAT like usual.
My distance selling option is also turned on, I haven't touched it since
the beginning.
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What % vat do you see in my store fornt?
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I see 21% in your store instead of 20% so it's broken.
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My last order from EU from a country with different VAT rate is from Italy:
Order Date: Jun 28, 2022 10:04
Vat there is 22% and displayed correctly.
In your store I don't see that you have VAT activated, I think you couldn't
use OSS if you don't put your VAT number and activate it firsty
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I added my VAT (OSS) number for the distance selling option months ago, it worked
fine until yesterday.
My VAT ID is not shown since I'm VAT-exempt in Austria so I haven't activated
domestic VAT yet but that's a different story.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | TakeAbricK | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2022 08:18 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| In Technical Issues, Stellar writes:
| | In Technical Issues, rankster writes:
| | In Technical Issues, TakeAbricK writes:
| | I have two orders from France (June 30), 21% Netherlands VAT is calculated instead
of France VAT 20%. It was still correct with June 28 orders.
Please correct asap!
Diana
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I can confirm this error too, I also received an order from a Polish customer
(23% VAT) on Jun 30 which had no VAT included.
When I click on Edit Order there is no option to turn on/off VAT like usual.
My distance selling option is also turned on, I haven't touched it since
the beginning.
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What % vat do you see in my store fornt?
My last order from EU from a country with different VAT rate is from Italy:
Order Date: Jun 28, 2022 10:04
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problem started June 29
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Vat there is 22% and displayed correctly.
In your store I don't see that you have VAT activated, I think you couldn't
use OSS if you don't put your VAT number and activate it firsty
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | TakeAbricK | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2022 09:00 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| In Technical Issues, TakeAbricK writes:
| | In Technical Issues, Stellar writes:
| | In Technical Issues, rankster writes:
| | In Technical Issues, TakeAbricK writes:
| | I have two orders from France (June 30), 21% Netherlands VAT is calculated instead
of France VAT 20%. It was still correct with June 28 orders.
Please correct asap!
Diana
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I can confirm this error too, I also received an order from a Polish customer
(23% VAT) on Jun 30 which had no VAT included.
When I click on Edit Order there is no option to turn on/off VAT like usual.
My distance selling option is also turned on, I haven't touched it since
the beginning.
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What % vat do you see in my store fornt?
My last order from EU from a country with different VAT rate is from Italy:
Order Date: Jun 28, 2022 10:04
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Problem started June 29
you can also see the problem if you have orders from the Netherlands with 21%
VAT
The order data should show Netherlands VAT (21%), but it probably shows Spain
now.
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Vat there is 22% and displayed correctly.
In your store I don't see that you have VAT activated, I think you couldn't
use OSS if you don't put your VAT number and activate it firsty
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| | | | | | | Author: | TakeAbricK | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2022 09:27 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| In Technical Issues, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Technical Issues, TakeAbricK writes:
| | I have two orders from France (June 30), 21% Netherlands VAT is calculated instead
of France VAT 20%. It was still correct with June 28 orders.
Please correct asap!
Diana
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Thank you for reporting this issue. We have received messages about this and
I have alerted our Marketplace team. Please continue to report any VAT discrepancies
in this thread.
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Thanks Russell.
As far as I can see, it's only the EU distance selling VAT.
No problems so far with orders from outside EU or domestic orders.
Also received UK VAT Invoice.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | TakeAbricK | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2022 09:34 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| In Technical Issues, TakeAbricK writes:
| | In Technical Issues, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Technical Issues, TakeAbricK writes:
| | I have two orders from France (June 30), 21% Netherlands VAT is calculated instead
of France VAT 20%. It was still correct with June 28 orders.
Please correct asap!
Diana
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Thank you for reporting this issue. We have received messages about this and
I have alerted our Marketplace team. Please continue to report any VAT discrepancies
in this thread.
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Thanks Russell.
As far as I can see, it's only the EU distance selling VAT.
No problems so far with orders from outside EU or domestic orders.
Also received UK VAT Invoice.
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Hope it wasn't caused by a treshold check, because once a seller is registered
for OSS, they're stuck for years. And you can always register, also when
you don't pass the treshold. So I hope Bricklink will never change this,
unless it's seller's choice.
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| | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2022 09:30 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| In Technical Issues, Admin_Russell writes:
| | […]
Thank you for reporting this issue. We have received messages about this and
I have alerted our Marketplace team. Please continue to report any VAT discrepancies
in this thread.
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My! Isn’t it 4:30 AM in Irvine now?!
Are you on a night shift? 
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2022 09:37 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| In Technical Issues, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Technical Issues, Admin_Russell writes:
| | […]
Thank you for reporting this issue. We have received messages about this and
I have alerted our Marketplace team. Please continue to report any VAT discrepancies
in this thread.
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My! Isn’t it 4:30 AM in Irvine now?!
Are you on a night shift?
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Or maybe just a morning, morning person.  It's 8:30am here in Chicago which
makes it 6:30am in California unless I am wrong.
Jen
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | TakeAbricK | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2022 09:42 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| In Technical Issues, jennnifer writes:
| | In Technical Issues, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Technical Issues, Admin_Russell writes:
| | […]
Thank you for reporting this issue. We have received messages about this and
I have alerted our Marketplace team. Please continue to report any VAT discrepancies
in this thread.
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My! Isn’t it 4:30 AM in Irvine now?!
Are you on a night shift?
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Or maybe just a morning, morning person. It's 8:30am here in Chicago which
makes it 6:30am in California unless I am wrong.
Jen
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3.42 PM over here and half asleep already
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2022 09:55 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| In Technical Issues, TakeAbricK writes:
| | In Technical Issues, jennnifer writes:
| | In Technical Issues, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Technical Issues, Admin_Russell writes:
| | […]
Thank you for reporting this issue. We have received messages about this and
I have alerted our Marketplace team. Please continue to report any VAT discrepancies
in this thread.
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My! Isn’t it 4:30 AM in Irvine now?!
Are you on a night shift?
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Or maybe just a morning, morning person. It's 8:30am here in Chicago which
makes it 6:30am in California unless I am wrong.
Jen
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3.42 PM over here and half asleep already
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Ha, ha, yes... there are hazards to being a morning person. Like desperately
needing an afternoon nap most days.
Jen
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2022 11:52 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| In Technical Issues, jennnifer writes:
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| | My! Isn’t it 4:30 AM in Irvine now?!
Are you on a night shift?
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Or maybe just a morning, morning person. It's 8:30am here in Chicago which
makes it 6:30am in California unless I am wrong.
Jen
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Just my maths skills that are still asleep: 15:30 minus 9h = 6:30, not
4:30, obviously
You know, there’s three kinds of people: those who can’t count
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| | | | | | | Author: | coloredbricks | | Posted: | Jul 8, 2022 08:24 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| In Technical Issues, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Technical Issues, TakeAbricK writes:
| | I have two orders from France (June 30), 21% Netherlands VAT is calculated instead
of France VAT 20%. It was still correct with June 28 orders.
Please correct asap!
Diana
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Thank you for reporting this issue. We have received messages about this and
I have alerted our Marketplace team. Please continue to report any VAT discrepancies
in this thread.
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Hi,
today I have got an order from Italy, but BL calculates 22% VAT on goods, but
19% (German) VAT on shipping. This is wrong! Shipping must have the same VAT
rate!
In my shipping settings I have net amount EUR 7.00, BL says it is EUR 8.33 incl.
Italian VAT, but it should be EUR 8.54.
Please correct this too!
- André
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Jul 8, 2022 08:35 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| In Technical Issues, legobasar writes:
| | In Technical Issues, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Technical Issues, TakeAbricK writes:
| | I have two orders from France (June 30), 21% Netherlands VAT is calculated instead
of France VAT 20%. It was still correct with June 28 orders.
Please correct asap!
Diana
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Thank you for reporting this issue. We have received messages about this and
I have alerted our Marketplace team. Please continue to report any VAT discrepancies
in this thread.
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Hi,
today I have got an order from Italy, but BL calculates 22% VAT on goods, but
19% (German) VAT on shipping. This is wrong! Shipping must have the same VAT
rate!
In my shipping settings I have net amount EUR 7.00, BL says it is EUR 8.33 incl.
Italian VAT, but it should be EUR 8.54.
Please correct this too!
- André
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This is not new it is how BL implemented the system.
It takes your store prices that include your local VAT 19% and shows the same
for your buyers even if they are VAT 22%.
In the case of shipping it is the same, it gets your shipping price and adds
your store VAT 19% but if a buyer from another country purchases it just uses
your store price as if it was inclusive of the 22% VAT.
To prevent this you could make different shipping methods for each group of countries
with the same VAT rate and put your base shipping price making this calculation
in reverse. And additionally you can add a % fee of the total order from -2 to
+8 to adjust the final price of the order to correlate with the VAT rate difference.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Jul 8, 2022 08:51 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| | | This is not new it is how BL implemented the system.
It takes your store prices that include your local VAT 19% and shows the same
for your buyers even if they are VAT 22%.
In the case of shipping it is the same, it gets your shipping price and adds
your store VAT 19% but if a buyer from another country purchases it just uses
your store price as if it was inclusive of the 22% VAT.
To prevent this you could make different shipping methods for each group of countries
with the same VAT rate and put your base shipping price making this calculation
in reverse. And additionally you can add a % fee of the total order from -2 to
+8 to adjust the final price of the order to correlate with the VAT rate difference.
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WHAT? WHAT?
I already have 110 shipping methods!?
I don't understand the logic: Shipping Prices (contrary to lots for sale)
are set up Net, without VAT.
BrickLink simply doesn't apply the proper (buyer) VAT rate in case of OSS???
I can't believe it's done differently and I should have to create say
500 shipping methods!?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Jul 8, 2022 09:30 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| In Technical Issues, 1001bricks writes:
| | […]
WHAT? WHAT?
I already have 110 shipping methods!?
I don't understand the logic: Shipping Prices (contrary to lots for sale)
are set up Net, without VAT.
BrickLink simply doesn't apply the proper (buyer) VAT rate in case of OSS???
I can't believe it's done differently and I should have to create say
500 shipping methods!?
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Hmm, how BL does it reminds me of rule 3: When you’ve something to do, arrange
for someone else to do it.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Jul 8, 2022 09:43 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| In Technical Issues, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Technical Issues, 1001bricks writes:
| | […]
WHAT? WHAT?
I already have 110 shipping methods!?
I don't understand the logic: Shipping Prices (contrary to lots for sale)
are set up Net, without VAT.
BrickLink simply doesn't apply the proper (buyer) VAT rate in case of OSS???
I can't believe it's done differently and I should have to create say
500 shipping methods!?
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Hmm, how BL does it reminds me of rule 3: When you’ve something to do, arrange
for someone else to do it.
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It's not funny.
I'm not sure BrickLink can handle 600 shipping methods.
As those are entirely displayed in the Terms AND for every order at the checkout,
I'm not sure it's even possible!
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Jul 8, 2022 10:00 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| In Technical Issues, 1001bricks writes:
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It's not funny.
I'm not sure BrickLink can handle 600 shipping methods.
As those are entirely displayed in the Terms AND for every order at the checkout,
I'm not sure it's even possible!
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IIR&UC, they said they do it that way because they can’t do it the other way
now with the old site, so they may change how it works in the new version.
Taxes are patches over patches over patches… because no one ever thought BL would
have to handle complicated tax rules and certainly not that BL would have to
collect them.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Jul 8, 2022 10:05 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| In Technical Issues, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Technical Issues, 1001bricks writes:
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It's not funny.
I'm not sure BrickLink can handle 600 shipping methods.
As those are entirely displayed in the Terms AND for every order at the checkout,
I'm not sure it's even possible!
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IIR&UC, they said they do it that way because they can’t do it the other way
now with the old site, so they may change how it works in the new version.
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I understand this but taxes are NOW and the new version is... whenever.
So in short, that means if I can't manage 600 Shipping Methods, or BrickLink
cannot manage to have a Settings page or Terms page with 600 Shipping Methods,
the prices will be kind of random, what's displayed on the Order will be
inexact (shipping price), etc?
You do *know* French IRS and Laws, Sylvain - do you think we can just "approximate"
this?
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| In Technical Issues, 1001bricks writes:
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You do *know* French IRS and Laws, Sylvain - do you think we can just "approximate"
this?
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BL says its expert advisors say BL can do it this way and sellers can do it this
way: same tax-included price for everyone (in EU) & different net prices.
Making new shipping methods to compensate the differences in net prices is just
that, a compensation. Not an obligation.
I get that it doesn’t simplify your accounting….
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| In Technical Issues, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Technical Issues, 1001bricks writes:
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You do *know* French IRS and Laws, Sylvain - do you think we can just "approximate"
this?
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BL says its expert advisors say BL can do it this way and sellers can do it this
way: same tax-included price for everyone (in EU) & different net prices.
Making new shipping methods to compensate the differences in net prices is just
that, a compensation. Not an obligation.
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Fine - So, not to loose money, I put everyone at 25% Danish VAT?
It's a 5% increase in our shipping price
And then what's about the displayed shipping price in Order AND e-mail?
If people calculate they won't understand
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Jul 8, 2022 10:57 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| In Technical Issues, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Technical Issues, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Technical Issues, 1001bricks writes:
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You do *know* French IRS and Laws, Sylvain - do you think we can just "approximate"
this?
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BL says its expert advisors say BL can do it this way and sellers can do it this
way: same tax-included price for everyone (in EU) & different net prices.
Making new shipping methods to compensate the differences in net prices is just
that, a compensation. Not an obligation.
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Fine - So, not to loose money, I put everyone at 25% Danish VAT?
It's a 5% increase in our shipping price
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Not only shipping prices, all your inventory item prices are now VAT inclusive
for whatever country in the EU someone buys from with OSS activated.
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And then what's about the displayed shipping price in Order AND e-mail?
If people calculate they won't understand
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Jul 8, 2022 11:04 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| In Technical Issues, Stellar writes:
| | In Technical Issues, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Technical Issues, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Technical Issues, 1001bricks writes:
| | […]
You do *know* French IRS and Laws, Sylvain - do you think we can just "approximate"
this?
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BL says its expert advisors say BL can do it this way and sellers can do it this
way: same tax-included price for everyone (in EU) & different net prices.
Making new shipping methods to compensate the differences in net prices is just
that, a compensation. Not an obligation.
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Fine - So, not to loose money, I put everyone at 25% Danish VAT?
It's a 5% increase in our shipping price
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Not only shipping prices, all your inventory item prices are now VAT inclusive
for whatever country in the EU someone buys from with OSS activated.
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Heuuuu
Inventory prices have already 20% VAT.
BrickLink is supposed to remove the included VAT and apply the buyer VAT.
Don't tell me it's not!??????
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Jul 8, 2022 11:22 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| In Technical Issues, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Technical Issues, Stellar writes:
| | In Technical Issues, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Technical Issues, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Technical Issues, 1001bricks writes:
| | […]
You do *know* French IRS and Laws, Sylvain - do you think we can just "approximate"
this?
|
BL says its expert advisors say BL can do it this way and sellers can do it this
way: same tax-included price for everyone (in EU) & different net prices.
Making new shipping methods to compensate the differences in net prices is just
that, a compensation. Not an obligation.
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Fine - So, not to loose money, I put everyone at 25% Danish VAT?
It's a 5% increase in our shipping price
|
Not only shipping prices, all your inventory item prices are now VAT inclusive
for whatever country in the EU someone buys from with OSS activated.
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Heuuuu
Inventory prices have already 20% VAT.
BrickLink is supposed to remove the included VAT and apply the buyer VAT.
Don't tell me it's not!??????
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Sylvian, it is not...
They told us that with the current system that BL has, there was no other way
for now. So inventory prices are final prices for whoever buys in the EU, inclusive
of their VAT rate.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Jul 8, 2022 11:37 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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BrickLink is supposed to remove the included VAT and apply the buyer VAT.
Don't tell me it's not!??????
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Sylvian, it is not...
They told us that with the current system that BL has, there was no other way
for now. So inventory prices are final prices for whoever buys in the EU, inclusive
of their VAT rate.
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BL is showing a 10€ part at 20% VAT (12€) then after checkout, the part price
is 12 - 25% Danish VAT for example = 9.6€ instead of 10€ ?
I have to increase all my prices of 5%?
What about B2B, he'll see an even different price? The Danish buyer above
will see then 10€ instead of 9.6€)?
This is just unbelievable, I won't post anymore for some time I guess.
I need time to understand what this all means
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Jul 8, 2022 12:05 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| In Technical Issues, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | | | Inventory prices have already 20% VAT.
BrickLink is supposed to remove the included VAT and apply the buyer VAT.
Don't tell me it's not!??????
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Sylvian, it is not...
They told us that with the current system that BL has, there was no other way
for now. So inventory prices are final prices for whoever buys in the EU, inclusive
of their VAT rate.
|
BL is showing a 10€ part at 20% VAT (12€) then after checkout, the part price
is 12 - 25% Danish VAT for example = 9.6€ instead of 10€ ?
I have to increase all my prices of 5%?
What about B2B, he'll see an even different price? The Danish buyer above
will see then 10€ instead of 9.6€)?
This is just unbelievable, I won't post anymore for some time I guess.
I need time to understand what this all means
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You have an item in your inventory for 10€, as you have VAT enabled it means
for you 20% VAT in France is included (8,33 + 1,66).
A Danish buyer goes to your store and buys that item, in the order it says 10€,
but it is VAT 25% inclusive (8 + 2).
If that Danish buyer is a business and asks you to disable the VAT on their order
the amount will change to just 8€.
So you lost 4% of your revenue. (On top of other fees, Bricklink 3%, PayPal 2,9%
to 4,9% +0,35 / Stripe 1,4 to 2,9 + 0,25%, Shipping carries combustible/covid
surcharges... 12%)
And that VAT is to be paid quarterly not deductible with national purchases,
so you probably end requesting VAT returns if you sell more outside than inside
your country, and that may inquire audits... So much fun
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Jul 8, 2022 12:13 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| In Technical Issues, Stellar writes:
| | In Technical Issues, 1001bricks writes:
| | | | | | Inventory prices have already 20% VAT.
BrickLink is supposed to remove the included VAT and apply the buyer VAT.
Don't tell me it's not!??????
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Sylvian, it is not...
They told us that with the current system that BL has, there was no other way
for now. So inventory prices are final prices for whoever buys in the EU, inclusive
of their VAT rate.
|
BL is showing a 10€ part at 20% VAT (12€) then after checkout, the part price
is 12 - 25% Danish VAT for example = 9.6€ instead of 10€ ?
I have to increase all my prices of 5%?
What about B2B, he'll see an even different price? The Danish buyer above
will see then 10€ instead of 9.6€)?
This is just unbelievable, I won't post anymore for some time I guess.
I need time to understand what this all means
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You have an item in your inventory for 10€, as you have VAT enabled it means
for you 20% VAT in France is included (8,33 + 1,66).
A Danish buyer goes to your store and buys that item, in the order it says 10€,
but it is VAT 25% inclusive (8 + 2).
If that Danish buyer is a business and asks you to disable the VAT on their order
the amount will change to just 8€.
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As I understood, yes, thank you for confirming.
| | So you lost 4% of your revenue. (On top of other fees, Bricklink 3%, PayPal 2,9%
to 4,9% +0,35 / Stripe 1,4 to 2,9 + 0,25%, Shipping carries combustible/covid
surcharges... 12%)
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Problem is: how can this even be legal, sincerely?
As a Seller, I cannot set a price.
Because the price depends the VAT that'll be applied, and I cannot know.
It's like a black box, it's illegal in accounting.
So BrickLink will say "Just don't sell to Europe".
Faire enough - but this is ULTRA ENORMOUSLY deceiving from BrickLink and LEGO.
I'm 11110000% upset right now.
| | And that VAT is to be paid quarterly not deductible with national purchases,
so you probably end requesting VAT returns if you sell more outside than inside
your country, and that may inquire audits... So much fun
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Oh God
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Jul 8, 2022 12:23 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| In Technical Issues, 1001bricks writes:
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Problem is: how can this even be legal, sincerely?
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The legality problem was raised and it was said it’s legal.
You can (re-)read this thread https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=315290&nID=1321122
and (re-)watch the associated video and (re-)read the associated FAQ PDF 
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| In Technical Issues, SylvainLS writes:
So, it's a "Forum announcement"?
What about people who don't read forum, or miss so messages, like this
one?
Nothing in TOS, no Help page on BrickLink itself?
Sincerely, thank you Sylvain, but this isn't pro.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Jul 8, 2022 13:19 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| In Technical Issues, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Technical Issues, SylvainLS writes:
So, it's a "Forum announcement"?
What about people who don't read forum, or miss so messages, like this
one?
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I believe there were e-mails too….
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Hmm, I don’t see why it should be in the ToS, but let’s look at the Help pages:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2517
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2518
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2137
Yeah, a lot of stuff in the new pages… but nothing really clear on how this is
all calculated .
On the other hand, the old VAT page (2137) is simple:
“If you turned on the VAT setting, your base prices must include VAT.”
The new pages say the VAT rate depends on the situation (locations, VAT-registration,
amount).
They indeed don’t say that it’s the net price that varies… but they also never
say the mechanism has changed and that, when needed, the seller’s VAT is now
removed so that the buyer’s VAT can be used instead.
I just mean that, technically, the pages are correct. But it’s indeed not really
well explained.
| | Sincerely, thank you Sylvain, but this isn't pro.
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Well, it’s not my profession.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | coloredbricks | | Posted: | Jul 8, 2022 11:10 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| | | I don't understand the logic: Shipping Prices (contrary to lots for sale)
are set up Net, without VAT.
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But this it not the case for GERMAN sellers:
In GERMANY shipping costs are also including VAT by law (USTG).
I don't know, how it is in other EU countries. But if not, one may use Order
Edit (orderEdit.asp) to REMOVE VAT from shipping costs and additional charges
as well (deselect the checkbox!).
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Jul 8, 2022 11:15 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| In Technical Issues, legobasar writes:
| | | | I don't understand the logic: Shipping Prices (contrary to lots for sale)
are set up Net, without VAT.
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But this it not the case for GERMAN sellers:
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No no - I meant that when you set up the shipping prices in Shipping Method,
it's WITHOUT VAT.
Then BL adds the VAT.
It's the same for all shops/countries with VAT I guess.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | coloredbricks | | Posted: | Jul 8, 2022 11:38 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| In Technical Issues, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Technical Issues, legobasar writes:
| | | | I don't understand the logic: Shipping Prices (contrary to lots for sale)
are set up Net, without VAT.
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But this it not the case for GERMAN sellers:
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No no - I meant that when you set up the shipping prices in Shipping Method,
it's WITHOUT VAT.
Then BL adds the VAT.
It's the same for all shops/countries with VAT I guess.
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Yes, I think too - and BL adds the domestic VAT rate to shipping
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| | | | | Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Jul 1, 2022 18:22 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 109 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| In Technical Issues, TakeAbricK writes:
| | I have two orders from France (June 30), 21% Netherlands VAT is calculated instead
of France VAT 20%. It was still correct with June 28 orders.
Please correct asap!
Diana
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An update on this issue:
- We released a backend update this Wednesday which affected the EU Distant Selling
logic.
- Before the update, if a seller registered their OSS number in their store settings,
it was applied right away. But with the new logic, it required approval from
our admin team.
- This caused different behavior for EU distant selling for the sellers who had
previously registered their OSS number.
- We will handle the admin approval process ASAP.
- Meanwhile, we will update all orders affected by this behavior change to the
correct VAT rate (buyer rate).
- The system is currently updating to the correct VAT rate. The total order value
should not be affected by this behavior change and should remain same.
- Please let us know if you have a case where the total order value should change.
- Once updated by the system, you can see the correct VAT rate in the order detail
page.
Thank you!
The BrickLink Team
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| | | | | | | Author: | TakeAbricK | | Posted: | Jul 2, 2022 04:28 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| In Technical Issues, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Technical Issues, TakeAbricK writes:
| | I have two orders from France (June 30), 21% Netherlands VAT is calculated instead
of France VAT 20%. It was still correct with June 28 orders.
Please correct asap!
Diana
|
An update on this issue:
- We released a backend update this Wednesday which affected the EU Distant Selling
logic.
- Before the update, if a seller registered their OSS number in their store settings,
it was applied right away. But with the new logic, it required approval from
our admin team.
- This caused different behavior for EU distant selling for the sellers who had
previously registered their OSS number.
- We will handle the admin approval process ASAP.
- Meanwhile, we will update all orders affected by this behavior change to the
correct VAT rate (buyer rate).
- The system is currently updating to the correct VAT rate. The total order value
should not be affected by this behavior change and should remain same.
- Please let us know if you have a case where the total order value should change.
- Once updated by the system, you can see the correct VAT rate in the order detail
page.
Thank you!
The BrickLink Team
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It looks great!
Although I can't see if my own store shows buyer's VAT rate now, I see
some German stores with 21% Netherlands VAT. My previous EU orders are changed
(have buyer's VAT % now and total order value is not changed).
Thanks for solving this so fast!
Diana
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Jul 2, 2022 07:44 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| In Technical Issues, TakeAbricK writes:
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It looks great!
Although I can't see if my own store shows buyer's VAT rate now,
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I see 20% (= France VAT) in your store. All is okay
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | TakeAbricK | | Posted: | Jul 2, 2022 08:19 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| In Technical Issues, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Technical Issues, TakeAbricK writes:
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It looks great!
Although I can't see if my own store shows buyer's VAT rate now,
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I see 20% (= France VAT) in your store. All is okay
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Great, thanks for checking. Now I only have to wait for new EU orders
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| | | | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Jul 2, 2022 05:23 | | Subject: | Re: BL is calculating incorrect VAT within EU | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Technical Issues | |
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| In Technical Issues, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Technical Issues, TakeAbricK writes:
| | I have two orders from France (June 30), 21% Netherlands VAT is calculated instead
of France VAT 20%. It was still correct with June 28 orders.
Please correct asap!
Diana
|
An update on this issue:
- We released a backend update this Wednesday which affected the EU Distant Selling
logic.
- Before the update, if a seller registered their OSS number in their store settings,
it was applied right away. But with the new logic, it required approval from
our admin team.
- This caused different behavior for EU distant selling for the sellers who had
previously registered their OSS number.
- We will handle the admin approval process ASAP.
- Meanwhile, we will update all orders affected by this behavior change to the
correct VAT rate (buyer rate).
- The system is currently updating to the correct VAT rate. The total order value
should not be affected by this behavior change and should remain same.
- Please let us know if you have a case where the total order value should change.
- Once updated by the system, you can see the correct VAT rate in the order detail
page.
Thank you!
The BrickLink Team
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EU order received and all looks correct here.
Thanks for the detailed explanation of the problem and quick solution.
Sergio
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