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 Author: calsbricks View Messages Posted By calsbricks
 Posted: Sep 1, 2015 11:59
 Subject: Inventory Change Request for Set 75030-1
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Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 75030  Name: Millennium Falcon
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75030-1 (Inv) Millennium Falcon
90 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 2014
Sets: Star Wars: Microfighters Series 1: Star Wars Episode 4/5/6

* Add 4 Part 3794b Light Bluish Gray Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud with Groove (Jumper) (Alternate)

Comments from Submitter:
5 Sets parted out - all 3794b - no 15573's
 Author: graphite37 View Messages Posted By graphite37
 Posted: Sep 1, 2015 10:08
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In Suggestions, tEoS writes:
  The current issue with sales is that a buyer could essentially get the sale price
for as long as the cart is still active.



That really should be fixed as well. Can't see any reason why it couldn't
be. When the buyer finally goes to checkout, the lots could be checked against
the current state of the lots in the store and if there is a difference (including
price/qty) it could bring up an error page stating what changed and refresh the
cart.
 Author: happygolucky View Messages Posted By happygolucky
 Posted: Sep 1, 2015 10:01
 Subject: Inventory Change Request for Set 75917-1
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Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 75917  Name: Raptor Rampage
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75917-1 (Inv) Raptor Rampage
311 Parts, 3 Minifigures, 2015
Sets: Jurassic World

* Add 1 Part 6111pb024R White Brick 1 x 10 with Red and White Danger Stripes and Rivets Pattern Model Right Side (Stickers) - Set 75917 (Counterpart)
 Author: tEoS View Messages Posted By tEoS
 Posted: Sep 1, 2015 09:03
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The current issue with sales is that a buyer could essentially get the sale price
for as long as the cart is still active.

In Suggestions, kzinti writes:
  I'd like to be able to set timers. Hear me out. I want to be able to automatically
set a sale for 24-48 hours. Whether it's the whole store, or selected groups
or lots, this would be handy. I wouldn't have to remember to begin or end
a sale with this option. Scheduling could be setup, if I'm out of town for
a weekend and returning Sunday night, I could schedule a sale starting Sunday
afternoon, automatically.

Also, I'd like to be able to set a timer if, say, a Buyer wants to cut a
deal on a certain lot of parts. I could set this up to reserve the items in question
for a certain time period, say 24 hours at whatever price we've discussed.
Take it or leave it, price goes back to original after X amount of time.

Let me know what you think. Thanks!
 Author: happygolucky View Messages Posted By happygolucky
 Posted: Sep 1, 2015 03:36
 Subject: Inventory Change Request for Set 75917-1
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Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 75917  Name: Raptor Rampage
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75917-1 (Inv) Raptor Rampage
311 Parts, 3 Minifigures, 2015
Sets: Jurassic World

* Add 1 Part 3009pb194L White Brick 1 x 6 with Red and White Danger Stripes Cutout Pattern Left (Sticker) - Set 75917 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 3009pb194R White Brick 1 x 6 with Red and White Danger Stripes Cutout Pattern Right (Sticker) - Set 75917 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 6111pb024 White Brick 1 x 10 with Red and White Danger Stripes and Rivets Pattern (Stickers) - Set 75917 (Counterpart)
* Add 2 Part 6111pb025 White Brick 1 x 10 with 'VET UNIT' and Danger Signs with Exclamation Mark Pattern (Stickers) - Set 75917 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 4181pb044 White Door 1 x 4 x 5 Train Left with Rivets, Red and White Danger Stripes and Claw Scratch Marks Pattern (Sticker) - Set 75917 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 4182pb044 White Door 1 x 4 x 5 Train Right with Rivets, Red and White Danger Stripes and Claw Scratch Mark Pattern (Sticker) - Set 75917 (Counterpart)
 Author: kzinti View Messages Posted By kzinti
 Posted: Aug 31, 2015 22:31
 Subject: Timers...
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I'd like to be able to set timers. Hear me out. I want to be able to automatically
set a sale for 24-48 hours. Whether it's the whole store, or selected groups
or lots, this would be handy. I wouldn't have to remember to begin or end
a sale with this option. Scheduling could be setup, if I'm out of town for
a weekend and returning Sunday night, I could schedule a sale starting Sunday
afternoon, automatically.

Also, I'd like to be able to set a timer if, say, a Buyer wants to cut a
deal on a certain lot of parts. I could set this up to reserve the items in question
for a certain time period, say 24 hours at whatever price we've discussed.
Take it or leave it, price goes back to original after X amount of time.

Let me know what you think. Thanks!
 Author: jennnifer View Messages Posted By jennnifer
 Posted: Aug 31, 2015 22:26
 Subject: Inventory Change Request for Set 70734-1
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Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 70734  Name: Master Wu Dragon
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70734-1 (Inv) Master Wu Dragon
549 Parts, 5 Minifigures, 2015
Sets: NINJAGO: Possession

* Add 2 Part 2958pb059 Black Technic, Disk 3 x 3 with Dark Purple and Yellowish Green Ghost Heads Pattern (Sticker) - Set 70734 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 2431pb394 Trans-Neon Green Tile 1 x 4 with License Plate 'ARJ3200', Spiderweb, Cracks and Rivets Pattern (Sticker) - Set 70734 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 14769pb072 Yellowish Green Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Bottom Stud Holder with Target Screen and Skreemer Pattern (Sticker) - Set 70734 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 6179pb094 White Tile, Modified 4 x 4 with Studs on Edges with Gold Round Sensei Wu Emblem and Geometric Designs Pattern (Sticker) - Set 70734 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 44676pb020 Sand Blue Flag 2 x 2 Trapezoid with Gold Dragons (Perpendicular Orientation) Pattern on Both Sides (Stickers) - Set 70734 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 44676pb021 Sand Blue Flag 2 x 2 Trapezoid with Gold Dragons (Angled Orientation) Pattern on Both Sides (Stickers) - Set 70734 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 30150pb02 Reddish Brown Container, Crate with Handholds with White License Plate and 'WU 53N531' Pattern (Sticker) - Set 70734 (Counterpart)
 Author: jennnifer View Messages Posted By jennnifer
 Posted: Aug 31, 2015 09:24
 Subject: Inventory Change Request for Set col14-7
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Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: col14  Name: Specter, Series 14 (Complete Set with Stand and Accessories)
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col14-7 (Inv) Specter, Series 14 (Complete Set with Stand and Accessories)
2 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 2015
Sets: Collectible Minifigures: Series 14 Minifigures

* Change 1 Part {Pearl Dark Gray to Flat Silver} 92338 Chain, 5 Links
 Author: j7r7o7c7k7 View Messages Posted By j7r7o7c7k7
 Posted: Aug 30, 2015 23:36
 Subject: Re: Allow Sellers to auto-close store
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In Suggestions, tEoS writes:
  I'd be an ornery zombie on 3-4 hrs.

  Unless your on the 3-4 hour sleep thing sadly I know someone
on this pattern. Today was a nice full about 3 hours. And bla bla bla lol.

Some day I am lol. Plus I normally sleep when the sun is up which makes it hard
to get in a deep sleep. I do get lucky from time to time and get 5-6 hours in
and its pretty rare to get over 7. Most days though its about 4 hours avg. One
day I will just fall over. But then again when im working full time that 70-80
hours a week 5 days. lol I always get cracked up when someone say "glad my 5
days is up, was a long week" and I ask them how many hours they worked and they
say 41. I am like I do that in about 3 days and then I tell them I work almost
double what most people do avg. It does kill me sometimes though, up all night,
sleep in the day, super long hours. Anyway.
 Author: tEoS View Messages Posted By tEoS
 Posted: Aug 30, 2015 22:52
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I'd be an ornery zombie on 3-4 hrs.

  Unless your on the 3-4 hour sleep thing sadly I know someone
on this pattern. Today was a nice full about 3 hours. And bla bla bla lol.
 Author: j7r7o7c7k7 View Messages Posted By j7r7o7c7k7
 Posted: Aug 30, 2015 22:47
 Subject: Re: Allow Sellers to auto-close store
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In Suggestions, tEoS writes:
  http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=899417

In Suggestions, Grego writes:
  Seller after seller falls into difficult times and finds they really need to
close their store to stem the tide of new orders.

If sellers have 20/20 foresight and can tell the future, they know when to shutdown
their store *before* they become sick, before that car accident that leaves them
in a coma in the hospital, before the massive power outage that shuts down their
city.

How many sellers on BL are great at predicting the future?

I know I'm not. Otherwise I would have shut my store down BEFORE the massive
power outage that is currently affecting my area.


My suggestion is this: Change the current lower minimum time on auto-shutdown
of av store from 3 days to something more realistic like 1 day ....or even 12
hours.

Technically, I can't see BL having a problem with that ... they auto-disconnect
users after 15 - 30 minutes of browser inactivity and preform daily site maintenance.
Surely doing a daily check on stores that have not been active in the last 24
hours (only for those sellers who actively select that time frame), is possible.

BL may have some philosophical or ethical reason for this 3 day limit, but I
can not see what it could be.

The current 3 day limit only exacerbates the situation and does not make for
happy buyers or sellers. Buyers are unhappy because their sellers are ignoring
them; Sellers are unhappy as is soon as they are back on their feet physically
or electronically, they may have to go into over-drive to process the backlog
of orders that occurred before they could shutdown their store

Who knows more about when and how often a given seller logs into his/her store?
The store owner or BrickLink?

Grumpy seller still without power after 1.5 days ...and 3 new orders to process
when I do get power back

I say yes to both post! lol

1 day is fine. Basically 1,2,3,4,5 days max. If you haven't logged in in
5 days something is most likely wrong or you are on a beach and could care a
less lol. I don't think less then 1 day is needed. Cause if you sleep and
then get up and eat maybe run the kids to school stop by the store boom 12 hours
is long past. Unless your on the 3-4 hour sleep thing sadly I know someone
on this pattern. Today was a nice full about 3 hours. And bla bla bla lol.
 Author: tEoS View Messages Posted By tEoS
 Posted: Aug 30, 2015 22:31
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http://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=899417

In Suggestions, Grego writes:
  Seller after seller falls into difficult times and finds they really need to
close their store to stem the tide of new orders.

If sellers have 20/20 foresight and can tell the future, they know when to shutdown
their store *before* they become sick, before that car accident that leaves them
in a coma in the hospital, before the massive power outage that shuts down their
city.

How many sellers on BL are great at predicting the future?

I know I'm not. Otherwise I would have shut my store down BEFORE the massive
power outage that is currently affecting my area.


My suggestion is this: Change the current lower minimum time on auto-shutdown
of av store from 3 days to something more realistic like 1 day ....or even 12
hours.

Technically, I can't see BL having a problem with that ... they auto-disconnect
users after 15 - 30 minutes of browser inactivity and preform daily site maintenance.
Surely doing a daily check on stores that have not been active in the last 24
hours (only for those sellers who actively select that time frame), is possible.

BL may have some philosophical or ethical reason for this 3 day limit, but I
can not see what it could be.

The current 3 day limit only exacerbates the situation and does not make for
happy buyers or sellers. Buyers are unhappy because their sellers are ignoring
them; Sellers are unhappy as is soon as they are back on their feet physically
or electronically, they may have to go into over-drive to process the backlog
of orders that occurred before they could shutdown their store

Who knows more about when and how often a given seller logs into his/her store?
The store owner or BrickLink?

Grumpy seller still without power after 1.5 days ...and 3 new orders to process
when I do get power back
 Author: Grego View Messages Posted By Grego
 Posted: Aug 30, 2015 22:24
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Seller after seller falls into difficult times and finds they really need to
close their store to stem the tide of new orders.

If sellers have 20/20 foresight and can tell the future, they know when to shutdown
their store *before* they become sick, before that car accident that leaves them
in a coma in the hospital, before the massive power outage that shuts down their
city.

How many sellers on BL are great at predicting the future?

I know I'm not. Otherwise I would have shut my store down BEFORE the massive
power outage that is currently affecting my area.


My suggestion is this: Change the current lower minimum time on auto-shutdown
of av store from 3 days to something more realistic like 1 day ....or even 12
hours.

Technically, I can't see BL having a problem with that ... they auto-disconnect
users after 15 - 30 minutes of browser inactivity and preform daily site maintenance.
Surely doing a daily check on stores that have not been active in the last 24
hours (only for those sellers who actively select that time frame), is possible.

BL may have some philosophical or ethical reason for this 3 day limit, but I
can not see what it could be.

The current 3 day limit only exacerbates the situation and does not make for
happy buyers or sellers. Buyers are unhappy because their sellers are ignoring
them; Sellers are unhappy as is soon as they are back on their feet physically
or electronically, they may have to go into over-drive to process the backlog
of orders that occurred before they could shutdown their store

Who knows more about when and how often a given seller logs into his/her store?
The store owner or BrickLink?

Grumpy seller still without power after 1.5 days ...and 3 new orders to process
when I do get power back
 Author: BLUSER_27068 View Messages Posted By BLUSER_27068
 Posted: Aug 29, 2015 23:28
 Subject: Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders
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In Suggestions, legoman77 writes:
  In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
  In Suggestions, legoman77 writes:
  In Suggestions, TexMexSu writes:
  In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
  claims about me getting too personal. They are,
in every essence of the word, the epitome of hypocrisy.

Thor


....and with that you have just redefined the definition of "the epitome of hypocrisy"!


As someone suggested you really need to step back and take another look at your
posts.

IF there was an award for "too personal" you surely would be in the running.

You do remember that you brought your own personal life to this LEGO forum on
more than one occasion.

In all seriousness take the advice of your 'friends' here and try looking
at your own actions and responses to them.

I do not claim to be an expert at anything but we have been here for some 12
years now and I have seen the best best and worst of things.

I have to admit you know exactly what you are doing when you post so as to get
a long and heated discussion going while slowly digressing onto other agendas.

A talent probably best suited for a discussion board, not so much of any real
value to a toy (Lego) forum.

Perfect insight. Well said and thank you for your observations. We all need
to be calmer about this.
John P

Are you and Sue seriously equating seeking forum advice on a personal matter
with personally attacking someone because of a suggestion they make? Wow! That
has got to be the most ludicrously irrational and nonsensically desperate gotta
hate on Thor comment I have ever read in this Forum. I know some of you do this
for sport. But you and Sue need to go back to being fourth string benchwarmers
in the minors.

I am very grateful that more than a dozen Forum readers were gracious enough
to share with me their own personal experiences and kind helpful advice when
I reached out here for some help. Shortly after doing so, however, I was also
warned that my haters would use this against me. And sure enough, here they are
perverting a sincere reaching out to the community.

Be careful everyone. Don't dare share anything personal about your life.
Don't dare reach out for help or a kind word of support if life gets tough.
Because some here might use it to justify personally attacking you on any other
matter.

Thor

That is so true. The forum is not the place to do that. See Foster, we agree
on something. And I did not say anything about your personal life as you did
when you questioned my memory problems a few years ago, but that is another story.
Personally I do not care what family or personal problems you have and I said
nothing about them. I will say I hope you are doing better.
John P


John it was your post to which I was referring.


"Foster:

Have you ever stopped to consider why so many threads that you post to become
personal and lead to acrimony and name calling and degenerate into you against
the others? You should stop and ask yourself why. What you say you started
as a hope to a discussion is now off track with several people being denigrated
by you."

You too have been here since 2003 and I would hope that he would at least take
some advise from you and back off just a bit as to not encourage the responses
that are so common.

I agree this toy forum is not a place to air personal issues but that I guess
is up to the individual. I would never post on a public forum for any sort of
personal advise but to each their own.

Our posts were not attacks, they were responses to comments made previously by
the OP.
Taken out of context (or twisted around) they may appear that way however that
was certainly not the intent.


However this looks like it was directed rather firmly at a couple people.....
  In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
"you and Sue need to go back to being fourth string benchwarmers in the minors."

If you see a fire common sense tells you to call for help or try to put it out.

I guess once in a while things just burn to the ground regardless.

What a shame.
 Author: Rick_S. View Messages Posted By Rick_S.
 Posted: Aug 29, 2015 20:32
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In Suggestions, Rick_S. writes:
  In Suggestions, Leftoverbricks writes:
  +1

I notice by myself that I'm getting more and more irritated by lengthy posts
from 'sellers' who have nothing to sell, yet they have very strong opinions
on everything going on here on BL. Not only Thor, but Rick_S as well.
To those people I would say: go on with your life and have fun with LEGO - but
not in this forum...

Best wishes,
Martin


seriously you just said that? lets look at your feedback, hmm smaller then mine,
hmm lets see your start date, wow a recent date, maybe BL should ban all members
with less then 5 or 10 years from posting? and lets see I've sold a lot here
before, did rather well, helped with other things on this site, your comment
would be akin to say ignore the old or those over 40 years of age or 50 or 60
since they do nothing, congrats you made my stoplist for being insulting.

my bad your already on it for stoplisting me
 Author: Rick_S. View Messages Posted By Rick_S.
 Posted: Aug 29, 2015 20:31
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In Suggestions, Leftoverbricks writes:
  +1

I notice by myself that I'm getting more and more irritated by lengthy posts
from 'sellers' who have nothing to sell, yet they have very strong opinions
on everything going on here on BL. Not only Thor, but Rick_S as well.
To those people I would say: go on with your life and have fun with LEGO - but
not in this forum...

Best wishes,
Martin


seriously you just said that? lets look at your feedback, hmm smaller then mine,
hmm lets see your start date, wow a recent date, maybe BL should ban all members
with less then 5 or 10 years from posting? and lets see I've sold a lot here
before, did rather well, helped with other things on this site, your comment
would be akin to say ignore the old or those over 40 years of age or 50 or 60
since they do nothing, congrats you made my stoplist for being insulting.
 Author: legoman77 View Messages Posted By legoman77
 Posted: Aug 29, 2015 19:52
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In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
  In Suggestions, Leftoverbricks writes:
  +1

I notice by myself that I'm getting more and more irritated by lengthy posts
from 'sellers' who have nothing to sell, yet they have very strong opinions
on everything going on here on BL. Not only Thor, but Rick_S as well.

You are absolutely right. We all know the Forum is only for sellers. If you are
not selling anything, you have no business posting here or expressing any opinions
about what goes on here on BL. LOL! It keeps getting absurder and absurder.

Thor

Then lets drop this and neither of us answer any more posts on the subject.
John P
 Author: legoman77 View Messages Posted By legoman77
 Posted: Aug 29, 2015 19:51
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In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
  In Suggestions, legoman77 writes:
  In Suggestions, TexMexSu writes:
  In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
  claims about me getting too personal. They are,
in every essence of the word, the epitome of hypocrisy.

Thor


....and with that you have just redefined the definition of "the epitome of hypocrisy"!


As someone suggested you really need to step back and take another look at your
posts.

IF there was an award for "too personal" you surely would be in the running.

You do remember that you brought your own personal life to this LEGO forum on
more than one occasion.

In all seriousness take the advice of your 'friends' here and try looking
at your own actions and responses to them.

I do not claim to be an expert at anything but we have been here for some 12
years now and I have seen the best best and worst of things.

I have to admit you know exactly what you are doing when you post so as to get
a long and heated discussion going while slowly digressing onto other agendas.

A talent probably best suited for a discussion board, not so much of any real
value to a toy (Lego) forum.

Perfect insight. Well said and thank you for your observations. We all need
to be calmer about this.
John P

Are you and Sue seriously equating seeking forum advice on a personal matter
with personally attacking someone because of a suggestion they make? Wow! That
has got to be the most ludicrously irrational and nonsensically desperate gotta
hate on Thor comment I have ever read in this Forum. I know some of you do this
for sport. But you and Sue need to go back to being fourth string benchwarmers
in the minors.

I am very grateful that more than a dozen Forum readers were gracious enough
to share with me their own personal experiences and kind helpful advice when
I reached out here for some help. Shortly after doing so, however, I was also
warned that my haters would use this against me. And sure enough, here they are
perverting a sincere reaching out to the community.

Be careful everyone. Don't dare share anything personal about your life.
Don't dare reach out for help or a kind word of support if life gets tough.
Because some here might use it to justify personally attacking you on any other
matter.

Thor

That is so true. The forum is not the place to do that. See Foster, we agree
on something. And I did not say anything about your personal life as you did
when you questioned my memory problems a few years ago, but that is another story.
Personally I do not care what family or personal problems you have and I said
nothing about them. I will say I hope you are doing better.
John P
 Author: WhiteVanMan View Messages Posted By WhiteVanMan
 Posted: Aug 29, 2015 17:37
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In Suggestions, WhiteVanMan writes:
  I'm not sure if this would be implemented or it can be done already, but
as a seller, I like to add stock to my inventory via the catalogue tab.

When the colour guide comes up, it shows the available parts in the colours,
Wanted lists, Price guide and Known colours, and the ones in my inventory underneath
the first column.

I would like to have 'my inventory' above the 'lots for sale'
section as it will save me having to scroll down every time I want to list a
part that I have 'retained when sold out'

I'm sure alot of sellers would agree with me on this?

Paul

(If these can be swapped already, please show me how!)

Has anyone even seen what I am asking?

Paul
 Author: LordSkylark View Messages Posted By LordSkylark
 Posted: Aug 29, 2015 17:01
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In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
  BrickLink should prohibit vigilante orders like the one noted in this thread:

http://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=193629

Vigilante orders are bogus orders members place with a store they believe to
be a scammer with the intent to protect other members from being scammed before
BrickLink has time to act on any complaints about such a store. While vigilantes
may claim their intentions are good, I believe there are too many risks and potential
problems with self-appointing oneself as cop, prosecutor, judge and jury in such
a manner.

For one thing, the vigilante may turn out to be incorrect in believing a new
seller to be a scammer. By placing his bogus order, the vigilante harms the new
seller, buyers who might otherwise order from such seller, and the vigilante
himself who now risks an NPB or legal action for breach of contract.

Second, these vigilante orders mess up the Price Guide by validating the bogus
prices to the detriment of others who rely on the Price Guide later.

As others said, two wrongs don't make a right. Placing an order is a binding
contract and, regardless of your reasons, it is just plain wrong to place an
order without any intent of following through with it.

Allowing these vigilante orders will create further problems down the road. If
you justify vigilante orders for new sellers who are thought to be scammers,
someone later on will justify them for not-so-new sellers whose terms they subjectively
believe are invalid, or for seller they think take too long to ship, or for sellers
they believe don't honor PayPal's terms, etc., etc. Once you allow these
vigilante orders, where do you draw the line?

BrickLink should never delegate to any member the power to shut down a store.
Allowing these vigilante orders would effectively make every member an Admin
with the ability to shut down any store they want if they subjectively feel they
are helping other members by doing so. This is a dangerous slippery slope that
should stay exclusively within BrickLink's power.

As such, any member caught making a vigilante order should receive an automatic
NPB.

Thor


As long as the individual is willing to take the consequences for placing such
an order, I don't see what the problem is. I would have more of a problem
if someone who placed such as order so was trying to get out of the consequences
than actually making such an order.
There are some things that are worth doing for the sake of the community which
are well worth the consequences. I think that it should be left up to the conscience
and discretion of the individual and if he is willing to accept the consequences
for doing so (without trying to make excuses for getting out of the consequences).
They should confess what they did to those in authority over them, and tell them
that they are willing to accept whatever consequence the authorities thinks fit.
If it is a just cause, then the consequences are irrelevant to the person who
broke such rules to place such an order.
However, some authorites are more lenient, and may drop the charges against the
offender -- but the one who broke the rules should never assume that this
will be the case, and should humbly and respectfully understand that they are
under the sole mercy of the authorities.

If this is the attitude of the indivdual who places such orders for what they
believe is the protection and betterment of the community, then I will let the
authorities determine the penalty, and not myself.

Andy
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In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
  In Suggestions, Zixx writes:
  In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
  In Suggestions, Leftoverbricks writes:
  +1

I notice by myself that I'm getting more and more irritated by lengthy posts
from 'sellers' who have nothing to sell, yet they have very strong opinions
on everything going on here on BL. Not only Thor, but Rick_S as well.

You are absolutely right. We all know the Forum is only for sellers. If you are
not selling anything, you have no business posting here or expressing any opinions
about what goes on here on BL. LOL! It keeps getting absurder and absurder.

Thor


Yes, Leftie IS absolutely right. And I'm pretty sure (without checking) that
he hasn't posted his opinion in 1/3 of the posts in this entire thread. He
posted his opinion, so why the sarcastic reply? And no, I really don't want
or need 2-3 more posts for a reply. . .

I *DID* say he was right, didn't I? Of course, non-sellers have nothing important
to say. They should not be allowed to post in the forum or have any opinions
about BrickLink lest they "irritate" you big important sellers. That includes
me, Rick_S, PurpleDave, randyf and tens of thousands of other BL members who
don't sell anything at this particular point in time.

http://www.bricklink.com/messageStats.asp

Thor

Why do you think that non-sellers have nothing important to say? Many frequently
post and have meaningful things to say--but they don't take over threads
or post constantly. I know . . . sarcasm again. Long threads where it just goes
back and forth between a few individuals just turns into gunking up the forums.

Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
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In Suggestions, Zixx writes:
  In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
  In Suggestions, Leftoverbricks writes:
  +1

I notice by myself that I'm getting more and more irritated by lengthy posts
from 'sellers' who have nothing to sell, yet they have very strong opinions
on everything going on here on BL. Not only Thor, but Rick_S as well.

You are absolutely right. We all know the Forum is only for sellers. If you are
not selling anything, you have no business posting here or expressing any opinions
about what goes on here on BL. LOL! It keeps getting absurder and absurder.

Thor


Yes, Leftie IS absolutely right. And I'm pretty sure (without checking) that
he hasn't posted his opinion in 1/3 of the posts in this entire thread. He
posted his opinion, so why the sarcastic reply? And no, I really don't want
or need 2-3 more posts for a reply. . .

I *DID* say he was right, didn't I? Of course, non-sellers have nothing important
to say. They should not be allowed to post in the forum or have any opinions
about BrickLink lest they "irritate" you big important sellers. That includes
me, Rick_S, PurpleDave, randyf and tens of thousands of other BL members who
don't sell anything at this particular point in time.

http://www.bricklink.com/messageStats.asp

Thor
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In Inventories Requests, tom_linclau writes:
  Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 205  Name: Small Basic Set
* 
205-3 (Inv) Small Basic Set
211 Parts, 1966
Sets: Samsonite: Basic Set

* Add 2 Part 3023old Black Plate 1 x 2 with old style bottom

Comments from Submitter:
found in the 2 opened sets I have.

I'm thinking these may be better listed as extras, but I need to do a little
bit more research before coming to a conclusion.
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In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
  In Suggestions, Leftoverbricks writes:
  +1

I notice by myself that I'm getting more and more irritated by lengthy posts
from 'sellers' who have nothing to sell, yet they have very strong opinions
on everything going on here on BL. Not only Thor, but Rick_S as well.

You are absolutely right. We all know the Forum is only for sellers. If you are
not selling anything, you have no business posting here or expressing any opinions
about what goes on here on BL. LOL! It keeps getting absurder and absurder.

Thor


Yes, Leftie IS absolutely right. And I'm pretty sure (without checking) that
he hasn't posted his opinion in 1/3 of the posts in this entire thread. He
posted his opinion, so why the sarcastic reply? And no, I really don't want
or need 2-3 more posts for a reply. . .
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Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 205  Name: Small Basic Set
* 
205-3 (Inv) Small Basic Set
211 Parts, 1966
Sets: Samsonite: Basic Set

* Change 2 Part White {3023 Plate 1 x 2 to 3023old Plate 1 x 2 with old style bottom}
 Author: Leftoverbricks View Messages Posted By Leftoverbricks
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+1

I notice by myself that I'm getting more and more irritated by lengthy posts
from 'sellers' who have nothing to sell, yet they have very strong opinions
on everything going on here on BL. Not only Thor, but Rick_S as well.
To those people I would say: go on with your life and have fun with LEGO - but
not in this forum...

Best wishes,
Martin

In Suggestions, legoman77 writes:
  In Suggestions, TexMexSu writes:
  In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
  claims about me getting too personal. They are,
in every essence of the word, the epitome of hypocrisy.

Thor


....and with that you have just redefined the definition of "the epitome of hypocrisy"!


As someone suggested you really need to step back and take another look at your
posts.

IF there was an award for "too personal" you surely would be in the running.

You do remember that you brought your own personal life to this LEGO forum on
more than one occasion.

In all seriousness take the advice of your 'friends' here and try looking
at your own actions and responses to them.

I do not claim to be an expert at anything but we have been here for some 12
years now and I have seen the best best and worst of things.

I have to admit you know exactly what you are doing when you post so as to get
a long and heated discussion going while slowly digressing onto other agendas.

A talent probably best suited for a discussion board, not so much of any real
value to a toy (Lego) forum.

Perfect insight. Well said and thank you for your observations. We all need
to be calmer about this.
John P
 
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In Suggestions, TexMexSu writes:
  In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
  claims about me getting too personal. They are,
in every essence of the word, the epitome of hypocrisy.

Thor


....and with that you have just redefined the definition of "the epitome of hypocrisy"!


As someone suggested you really need to step back and take another look at your
posts.

IF there was an award for "too personal" you surely would be in the running.

You do remember that you brought your own personal life to this LEGO forum on
more than one occasion.

In all seriousness take the advice of your 'friends' here and try looking
at your own actions and responses to them.

I do not claim to be an expert at anything but we have been here for some 12
years now and I have seen the best best and worst of things.

I have to admit you know exactly what you are doing when you post so as to get
a long and heated discussion going while slowly digressing onto other agendas.

A talent probably best suited for a discussion board, not so much of any real
value to a toy (Lego) forum.

Perfect insight. Well said and thank you for your observations. We all need
to be calmer about this.
John P
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In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
  claims about me getting too personal. They are,
in every essence of the word, the epitome of hypocrisy.

Thor


....and with that you have just redefined the definition of "the epitome of hypocrisy"!


As someone suggested you really need to step back and take another look at your
posts.

IF there was an award for "too personal" you surely would be in the running.

You do remember that you brought your own personal life to this LEGO forum on
more than one occasion.

In all seriousness take the advice of your 'friends' here and try looking
at your own actions and responses to them.

I do not claim to be an expert at anything but we have been here for some 12
years now and I have seen the best best and worst of things.

I have to admit you know exactly what you are doing when you post so as to get
a long and heated discussion going while slowly digressing onto other agendas.

A talent probably best suited for a discussion board, not so much of any real
value to a toy (Lego) forum.
 
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In Inventories, TakeAbricK writes:
  In Inventories, sebastianlego writes:
  Hi

I think it would be a good idea to add also inventory for original boxes. Especially
in the past, boxes in more complexed sets contained unique cardboard trays, cardboard
support elemnts for plastic inserts, another separate mini boxes (like in 6285
set) or 1 or 2 plastic transparent or coloured inserts/trays. I have many sets
with original boxes and I discovered, that many parts of boxes have also separate
numbers!
For many lego collectors it would be nice to know, if in a box they want to buy
there is everything or what part of box is missing.
I can help to take a pictures of box contents I have, to measure their dimensions
and define colours.
Adding to inventory original catalouges and posters would be nice too, but in
many countries there ware different type of catalouges inside the same box, so
it would be hard to define all catalouges to every box.

Please take my request into consideration, let's make Bricklink the best
lego inventory site!

You should change Topic to Suggestion.

As far as I know, you already can add Posters to an Inventory.

Adding Catalogues to an Inventory is 'impossible' in my opinion.
- the sets indeed had a different catalogue in each country at least
- you can only be sure about what catalogue is in a set, when opening a sealed
set from that time

Diana
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In Inventories, sebastianlego writes:
  Hi

I think it would be a good idea to add also inventory for original boxes. Especially
in the past, boxes in more complexed sets contained unique cardboard trays, cardboard
support elemnts for plastic inserts, another separate mini boxes (like in 6285
set) or 1 or 2 plastic transparent or coloured inserts/trays. I have many sets
with original boxes and I discovered, that many parts of boxes have also separate
numbers!
For many lego collectors it would be nice to know, if in a box they want to buy
there is everything or what part of box is missing.
I can help to take a pictures of box contents I have, to measure their dimensions
and define colours.
Adding to inventory original catalouges and posters would be nice too, but in
many countries there ware different type of catalouges inside the same box, so
it would be hard to define all catalouges to every box.

Please take my request into consideration, let's make Bricklink the best
lego inventory site!

You should change Topic to Suggestion.

As far as I know, you already can add Posters to an Inventory.

Adding Catalogues to an Inventory is 'impossible' in my opinion.
- the sets indeed had a different catalogue in each country at least
- you can only be sure about what catalogue is in a set, when opening a sealed
set from that time

Diana
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Hi

I think it would be a good idea to add also inventory for original boxes. Especially
in the past, boxes in more complexed sets contained unique cardboard trays, cardboard
support elemnts for plastic inserts, another separate mini boxes (like in 6285
set) or 1 or 2 plastic transparent or coloured inserts/trays. I have many sets
with original boxes and I discovered, that many parts of boxes have also separate
numbers!
For many lego collectors it would be nice to know, if in a box they want to buy
there is everything or what part of box is missing.
I can help to take a pictures of box contents I have, to measure their dimensions
and define colours.
Adding to inventory original catalouges and posters would be nice too, but in
many countries there ware different type of catalouges inside the same box, so
it would be hard to define all catalouges to every box.

Please take my request into consideration, let's make Bricklink the best
lego inventory site!
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Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 3370  Name: Music Builder Extra 1
* 
3370-1 (Inv) Music Builder Extra 1
6 Parts, 2002
Sets: Explore: Explore Imagination

* Change 1 Part {Green to Bright Green} plug023 Music Builder Sound Plug with Cow pattern
* Change 1 Part {Green to Bright Green} plug024 Music Builder Sound Plug with Sheep pattern

Comments from Submitter:
These are bright green, not green. The small images that are present in BL for bright green are the same colour as these for the green versions; these ONLY exist in bright green.
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Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 3364  Name: Music Builder Composer
* 
3364-1 (Inv) Music Builder Composer
7 Parts, 2002
Sets: Explore: Explore Imagination

* Change 1 Part {Green to Bright Green} plug005 Music Builder Sound Plug with Bell pattern

Comments from Submitter:
All sets I've seen have this plug in bright green, not green.
 Author: legoman77 View Messages Posted By legoman77
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In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:
  In Suggestions, Biglesdug writes:
  Give it a rest man.

Step away from the computer, have a drink or something.

You are not going to win a trophy for proving your point on the internet.

https://xkcd.com/386/

(For those who don’t know XKCD: don’t miss the mouseover texts.)

I really do like that one. Made my day. I needed it after spending 6 hours
ticketing people for parking in the handicapped spaces that should not (and they
too, yell at me. Life is so good when you are old with nothing to do.
John P
 
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In Suggestions, Biglesdug writes:
  Give it a rest man.

Step away from the computer, have a drink or something.

You are not going to win a trophy for proving your point on the internet.

https://xkcd.com/386/

(For those who don’t know XKCD: don’t miss the mouseover texts.)
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Give it a rest man.

Step away from the computer, have a drink or something.

You are not going to win a trophy for proving your point on the internet.
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In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
  In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
  In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
  
The solution is simple Marc. Ignore me if you can't handle me or control
yourself.

  I can. I don't have a problem with insulting you.

And there we have it folks. Thanks for the admission Marc.

Thor



No problem. That's the difference between you and I. I am an honest person
who is able to accurately describe my actions. You are a dishonest person who
constantly attacks and insults people but you are too much of a coward to admit
it.


You are welcome.

--
Marc.
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In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
  In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
  
The solution is simple Marc. Ignore me if you can't handle me or control
yourself.

  I can. I don't have a problem with insulting you.

And there we have it folks. Thanks for the admission Marc.

Thor
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In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
  In Suggestions, FigBits writes:

  Yes. I think the are a bad idea. But no special rules are needed for them.

Thank you for finally addressing the ISSUE at hand.

  And CERTAINLY there is no need for you to insult people who disagree with you, as
you have done (and continue to do) over and over and over again in this thread
and others.

But then you resort to your usual personal diversion. Sigh... Like I said Marc,
I give what I am given.

  We are getting very tired of your behaviour, Foster.

The solution is simple Marc. Ignore me if you can't handle me or control
yourself.

Thor


I can. I don't have a problem with insulting you. I am simply pointing out
your hypocrisy.


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In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
  In Suggestions, FigBits writes:
  In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
  In Suggestions, TexMexSu writes:
  In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
  In Suggestions, enig writes his usual nonsense:
  
Yes. The topic is about preventing a scam to happen. While you're talking
about someone playing a joke on you.

As usual, your hostility blinds you to reason and reality. This topic is not
about preventing scams. It is about stopping members from appointing themselves
as police, prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner. I am talking about vigilantism.
And, unlike you, I don't consider it a joke at all.

Thor


Are you serious?

"members from appointing themselves as police, prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner"

This is the pot calling the kettle black.


Yes Sue, I am serious. Unlike you it seems. And no, I have never appointed myself
as police, prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner. I have reported problems
and expressed my approval or disapproval about certain things in the forum
- just like you and many others have done. But how does that make anyone a self-appointed
cop, prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner? How exactly did that give anyone
the power to take any specific action on BrickLink such as effectively shutting
down a store? Please use facts and logic rather than exaggerated hyperbole and
emotion.

Thor


Referring to people as executioners is hyperbole and emotion. Nobody is executing
anyone. If you want to tell others how they should behave, it would make sense
to be consistent and follow your own advice.


LOL. More attempts by you to divert the discussion?

Do you understand what a metaphor is Marc? The expression "self-appointed
cop, prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner" is a metaphor and was obviously
intended by me to be a metaphor. Furthermore, take each word separately and each
of them is, indeed, hyperbole. Not just the executioner part.

And no Marc, I am not "telling anyone how to behave". I am expressing my opinion
that vigilante orders should not be encouraged here and inviting discussion on
this issue. An opinion several others have posted their agreement with. And a
discussion many have managed to keep quite civil and productive, even some of
those who disagree with me.

Now instead of discussing ME Marc, do you have anything constructive to say about
the issue of vigilante orders?

Thor


Yes. I think the are a bad idea. But no special rules are needed for them. And
CERTAINLY there is no need for you to insult people who disagree with you, as
you have done (and continue to do) over and over and over again in this thread
and others. We are getting very tired of your behaviour, Foster.


--
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In Suggestions, popsicle writes:
  In Suggestions, legoman77 writes:
  In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
  In Suggestions, ToddMyers writes:
  In Suggestions, j7r7o7c7k7 writes:
  Anyone who places a order with 100% no intent to pay and it is provin should
be banned. They are just as bad as the people they are calling a "scam" when
they do turn out to be a scam. I fully get that people are just trying to help
out, but they are doing the wrong way. You don't hold up a bank to get the
cops to show up so you can say "look here is one of the FBI top 10, I seen him
in here and thought I would rob the bank so you show up and catch him".

And how, exactly, will this be proven?

Several ways... A member admits it in the forum. A member develops a history
of buying out the entire inventory of suspect new sellers. Or a member buys out
all 1000 or 2000+ lots of a new suspected seller for their full asking price.
Seriously, how often does the latter occur? Has it ever occurred?

  Also, much of this thread is, IMO, a mob with pitchforks going after the wrong
guy. The goal here is to prevent scammer stores, and the primary party at fault
here is BrickLink -- they have the power and the tools to take significant
steps to curb the prevalence of scammer stores, and yet they have done nothing
and, often, a store will remain open for many many hours after being reported.
The anger in this thread towards the so-called vigilante is misplaced and should
be directed at the party who is in the best position to do something about scammer
stores: BrickLink.

I am not angry at the person who did this. I know they thought they were doing
the right thing. I just don't approve of vigilante orders for all the reasons
noted in my first post in this thread.

I agree BrickLink needs to do more to better and more quickly handle these problems.
But that is precisely it - BRICKLINK needs to do more. Not vigilantes.

As for that "mob" you mention, it isn't against the vigilante buyer. It is
against me once again. My posts in this thread and all the posts by others supporting
my suggestion or expressing disapproval of such vigilante orders have not personally
attacked the member who placed that vigilante order. In fact, he and I have no
problems with one another and have been able to respond to each others' posts
and opinions on this matter quite civilly.

Lastly, I don't know if BL will implement this or any Admin will post in
this thread. They probably won't. But it isn't about winning or losing
this suggestion or argument. It is simply about getting a discussion going about
what has finally happened. For years I have read posts from members suggesting
that members buy out the listings of new suspected sellers. And for years many
people said that should NOT be done. Well now someone has actually done this
and publicly admitted to it in the forum. And he is being patted on the back
by many for doing so. I think it is wrong to encourage this sort of thing and,
by starting this thread, I was hoping to get a discussion started about this
separate from one specific new seller.

Thor

Foster:

Have you ever stopped to consider why so many threads that you post to become
personal and lead to acrimony and name calling and degenerate into you against
the others? You should stop and ask yourself why. What you say you started
as a hope to a discussion is now off track with several people being denigrated
by you.
"Aaahhh... At last... Some common sense! "
"Did you actually read the entire post and thread before latching on to this
one
part? Because if you did you might realize..."
"Now you may, in your ignorance,..."
"you really don't know what you are talking about here."
"As usual, your hostility blinds you to reason and reality."
"Yes Sue, I am serious. Unlike you it seems."
"Please use facts and logic rather than exaggerated hyperbole and
emotion."
From you in just this thread. Perhaps if you would not make personal comments
about the poster, regardless of what the poster writes a real discussion could
take place. As soon as someone disagrees with you, the about happens.
I have always been a supporter of you being on the forum, throughout your bans
and other problems you got yourself into.

  I lobbied for a long time to end your
permanent ban. I am starting to think I might have been wrong in my support.

John,

You and Thor both have strong opinions, that you both don't shy from expressing.

Bringing-up Thor's ban, and your supposed aid towards lifting it, is very
un-JohnP like.

I personally enjoy both yours and Thor's inputs here in the forum. You both
are a big part of the BL forum's character.

-Cory

Cory, there comes a time that too much is too much. Many of the people bring
the wrath of Thor, by just responding to his posts. I am glad you enjoy our
posts, that is the purpose of most of my posts. I had been a strong supporter
of Foster's right to be here. I only brought that up because the forum degenerates
into wars and I think that is not good. Some one, some how should show him that
there is more to the forum than 100% positive feedback to his posts. We all
are wrong at times and we are all right at times. No one is beyond this. I
do stand by his quotes I listed in the forum. They do not lead to productive
conversations.

John P
  

  John P
 Author: legoman77 View Messages Posted By legoman77
 Posted: Aug 28, 2015 10:49
 Subject: Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders
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In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
, nothing you say
  about this has any credence to me.

Thor

That was expected. You would be so valuable if you would just tone down your
responses Foster. It is not necessary to go line by line trying to tear apart
another persons posts. I still say take a good look at yourself. It is immaterial
what you believe the others do, it is how you respond that creates tension. I
know of no other poster on this forum that creates such acrimony. No slight
is left that you do not commentated on. No disagreement is left without you always
sticking totally to your opinion. Remember Foster, no one learns who is totally
convinced of their own infallibility.
John P
 Author: tom_linclau View Messages Posted By tom_linclau
 Posted: Aug 28, 2015 10:10
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Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 205  Name: Small Basic Set
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205-3 (Inv) Small Basic Set
211 Parts, 1966
Sets: Samsonite: Basic Set

* Add 2 Part 3023old Black Plate 1 x 2 with old style bottom

Comments from Submitter:
found in the 2 opened sets I have.
 Author: ToriHada View Messages Posted By ToriHada
 Posted: Aug 28, 2015 10:04
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In Suggestions, AntsScurrying writes:
  Have you ever thought about doing something useful with your time?

Have you ever thought that others may honestly disagree about things and how
to productively use their time? I believe this thread to be useful mainly because
it is serving my purpose of having a discussion on whether vigilante orders should
be encouraged or discouraged here on BrickLink. I listed multiple reasons why
these sort of orders could harm BrickLink and its members. But rather than responding
to any of those, you choose to be personally hostile, rude and confrontational.
Your post and condescending dismissiveness about this issue is insulting not
only to me but to everyone else who shared their opinions on this ISSUE in a
civil and constructive manner. Next time, you might want to follow their example.

  Your posts only purpose if to create negativity, and you never have anything
to add Lego related.

You mean like this post of yours? Your bias and hostility clearly make you blind.
Apparently, you haven't read most of my posts where I often answered questions
from members seeking help, offered advice on how to amicably resolve feedback
and other problems, discussed PaB and other "Lego-related" matters, gave tips
on selling bulk inventory and how to package orders more safely, argued for the
fairness of letting other members know if they are being called a scammer in
the forum, suggested that sellers check their inventory for color listing mistakes,
and listing the top ten most controversial events in Lego's history. Oh my!
So negative and totally unrelated to Lego. LOL.

Yes, I am sure you can find some posts where I was more negative or contentious.
I admit those happen sometimes, just like they happen to many others when they
are provoked or respond to others who are less than friendly (such as yourself).
But you made the bogus claim that my "posts ONLY purpose is to create negativity"
and that I "NEVER have anything to add Lego-related". Clearly, you are not only
wrong but blind or incapable of reading comprehension.

  Please go somewhere you are needed, or at least wanted.

If you don't want to read my posts, you don't have to. Better yet, ignore
me if you can't control yourself, handle what I say, or are incapable of
civilly or constructively addressing the ISSUE at hand.

Have a nice day!

Thor
 Author: legoman77 View Messages Posted By legoman77
 Posted: Aug 28, 2015 09:53
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In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
  In Suggestions, ToddMyers writes:
  In Suggestions, j7r7o7c7k7 writes:
  Anyone who places a order with 100% no intent to pay and it is provin should
be banned. They are just as bad as the people they are calling a "scam" when
they do turn out to be a scam. I fully get that people are just trying to help
out, but they are doing the wrong way. You don't hold up a bank to get the
cops to show up so you can say "look here is one of the FBI top 10, I seen him
in here and thought I would rob the bank so you show up and catch him".

And how, exactly, will this be proven?

Several ways... A member admits it in the forum. A member develops a history
of buying out the entire inventory of suspect new sellers. Or a member buys out
all 1000 or 2000+ lots of a new suspected seller for their full asking price.
Seriously, how often does the latter occur? Has it ever occurred?

  Also, much of this thread is, IMO, a mob with pitchforks going after the wrong
guy. The goal here is to prevent scammer stores, and the primary party at fault
here is BrickLink -- they have the power and the tools to take significant
steps to curb the prevalence of scammer stores, and yet they have done nothing
and, often, a store will remain open for many many hours after being reported.
The anger in this thread towards the so-called vigilante is misplaced and should
be directed at the party who is in the best position to do something about scammer
stores: BrickLink.

I am not angry at the person who did this. I know they thought they were doing
the right thing. I just don't approve of vigilante orders for all the reasons
noted in my first post in this thread.

I agree BrickLink needs to do more to better and more quickly handle these problems.
But that is precisely it - BRICKLINK needs to do more. Not vigilantes.

As for that "mob" you mention, it isn't against the vigilante buyer. It is
against me once again. My posts in this thread and all the posts by others supporting
my suggestion or expressing disapproval of such vigilante orders have not personally
attacked the member who placed that vigilante order. In fact, he and I have no
problems with one another and have been able to respond to each others' posts
and opinions on this matter quite civilly.

Lastly, I don't know if BL will implement this or any Admin will post in
this thread. They probably won't. But it isn't about winning or losing
this suggestion or argument. It is simply about getting a discussion going about
what has finally happened. For years I have read posts from members suggesting
that members buy out the listings of new suspected sellers. And for years many
people said that should NOT be done. Well now someone has actually done this
and publicly admitted to it in the forum. And he is being patted on the back
by many for doing so. I think it is wrong to encourage this sort of thing and,
by starting this thread, I was hoping to get a discussion started about this
separate from one specific new seller.

Thor

Foster:

Have you ever stopped to consider why so many threads that you post to become
personal and lead to acrimony and name calling and degenerate into you against
the others? You should stop and ask yourself why. What you say you started
as a hope to a discussion is now off track with several people being denigrated
by you.
"Aaahhh... At last... Some common sense! "
"Did you actually read the entire post and thread before latching on to this
one
part? Because if you did you might realize..."
"Now you may, in your ignorance,..."
"you really don't know what you are talking about here."
"As usual, your hostility blinds you to reason and reality."
"Yes Sue, I am serious. Unlike you it seems."
"Please use facts and logic rather than exaggerated hyperbole and
emotion."
From you in just this thread. Perhaps if you would not make personal comments
about the poster, regardless of what the poster writes a real discussion could
take place. As soon as someone disagrees with you, the about happens.
I have always been a supporter of you being on the forum, throughout your bans
and other problems you got yourself into. I lobbied for a long time to end your
permanent ban. I am starting to think I might have been wrong in my support.
John P
 Author: viejos View Messages Posted By viejos
 Posted: Aug 28, 2015 09:27
 Subject: Inventory Change Request for Set 4999-1
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Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 4999  Name: Wind Turbine - Vestas Promotional
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4999-1 (Inv) Wind Turbine - Vestas Promotional
795 Parts, 3 Minifigures, 2008
Sets: Town

* Change 1 Part Black {x39c02 Door 1 x 4 x 6 with 3 Panes with Trans-Black Glass to 60797c02 Door 1 x 4 x 6 with 3 Panes and Stud Handle with Trans-Black Glass}

Comments from Submitter:
As found by member 1974 in an early copy of this set.
 Author: FigBits View Messages Posted By FigBits
 Posted: Aug 28, 2015 09:13
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In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
  In Suggestions, TexMexSu writes:
  In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
  In Suggestions, enig writes his usual nonsense:
  
Yes. The topic is about preventing a scam to happen. While you're talking
about someone playing a joke on you.

As usual, your hostility blinds you to reason and reality. This topic is not
about preventing scams. It is about stopping members from appointing themselves
as police, prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner. I am talking about vigilantism.
And, unlike you, I don't consider it a joke at all.

Thor


Are you serious?

"members from appointing themselves as police, prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner"

This is the pot calling the kettle black.


Yes Sue, I am serious. Unlike you it seems. And no, I have never appointed myself
as police, prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner. I have reported problems
and expressed my approval or disapproval about certain things in the forum
- just like you and many others have done. But how does that make anyone a self-appointed
cop, prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner? How exactly did that give anyone
the power to take any specific action on BrickLink such as effectively shutting
down a store? Please use facts and logic rather than exaggerated hyperbole and
emotion.

Thor


Referring to people as executioners is hyperbole and emotion. Nobody is executing
anyone. If you want to tell others how they should behave, it would make sense
to be consistent and follow your own advice.


--
Marc.
 Author: ToriHada View Messages Posted By ToriHada
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In Suggestions, ToddMyers writes:
  In Suggestions, j7r7o7c7k7 writes:
  Anyone who places a order with 100% no intent to pay and it is provin should
be banned. They are just as bad as the people they are calling a "scam" when
they do turn out to be a scam. I fully get that people are just trying to help
out, but they are doing the wrong way. You don't hold up a bank to get the
cops to show up so you can say "look here is one of the FBI top 10, I seen him
in here and thought I would rob the bank so you show up and catch him".

And how, exactly, will this be proven?

Several ways... A member admits it in the forum. A member develops a history
of buying out the entire inventory of suspect new sellers. Or a member buys out
all 1000 or 2000+ lots of a new suspected seller for their full asking price.
Seriously, how often does the latter occur? Has it ever occurred?

  Also, much of this thread is, IMO, a mob with pitchforks going after the wrong
guy. The goal here is to prevent scammer stores, and the primary party at fault
here is BrickLink -- they have the power and the tools to take significant
steps to curb the prevalence of scammer stores, and yet they have done nothing
and, often, a store will remain open for many many hours after being reported.
The anger in this thread towards the so-called vigilante is misplaced and should
be directed at the party who is in the best position to do something about scammer
stores: BrickLink.

I am not angry at the person who did this. I know they thought they were doing
the right thing. I just don't approve of vigilante orders for all the reasons
noted in my first post in this thread.

I agree BrickLink needs to do more to better and more quickly handle these problems.
But that is precisely it - BRICKLINK needs to do more. Not vigilantes.

As for that "mob" you mention, it isn't against the vigilante buyer. It is
against me once again. My posts in this thread and all the posts by others supporting
my suggestion or expressing disapproval of such vigilante orders have not personally
attacked the member who placed that vigilante order. In fact, he and I have no
problems with one another and have been able to respond to each others' posts
and opinions on this matter quite civilly.

Lastly, I don't know if BL will implement this or any Admin will post in
this thread. They probably won't. But it isn't about winning or losing
this suggestion or argument. It is simply about getting a discussion going about
what has finally happened. For years I have read posts from members suggesting
that members buy out the listings of new suspected sellers. And for years many
people said that should NOT be done. Well now someone has actually done this
and publicly admitted to it in the forum. And he is being patted on the back
by many for doing so. I think it is wrong to encourage this sort of thing and,
by starting this thread, I was hoping to get a discussion started about this
separate from one specific new seller.

Thor
 Author: happygolucky View Messages Posted By happygolucky
 Posted: Aug 28, 2015 08:49
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Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 75920  Name: Raptor Escape
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75920-1 (Inv) Raptor Escape
387 Parts, 2 Minifigures, 2015
Sets: Jurassic World

* Add 1 Part 3069bpb409 White Tile 1 x 2 with Jurassic World Logo on White Background and '93' on Dark Blue Background Pattern (Sticker) - Set 75920 (Counterpart)

Comments from Submitter:
Adding stickered counterpart to inventory. Thank you.

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