Redisplay Messages: Compact | Brief | All | Full Show Messages: All | Without Replies| Author: | RobErNat  | | Posted: | Apr 23, 2014 12:15 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 8877-1 | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, mandr writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 4 Part {Dark Bluish Gray to Pearl Dark Gray} 32140 Technic, Liftarm 2 x 4 L-Shape Thick
Comments from Submitter:
Hello, my set 8877 clearly has 4 dark pearl-like Technic lift-arms which I think are Dark Pearl Gray, definitely not Dark Bluish-Gray. Also, on page 27 of my instruction book, the pictures shows that they are not Dark Bluish-Gray. I don't know how to figure out if this is an alternate version of the same set or a mistake in the existing inventory (a newbie).
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My set has dark bluish gray, TLG's part replacement also indicates dark bluish
(dark stone) gray...
Pictures in buildinginstructions are not always represenative...
What is the number on the instruction?
Did you buy the set sealed or second hand?
Eric
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| Author: | mandr | | Posted: | Apr 23, 2014 09:11 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 8877-1 | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 4 Part {Dark Bluish Gray to Pearl Dark Gray} 32140 Technic, Liftarm 2 x 4 L-Shape Thick
Comments from Submitter:
Hello, my set 8877 clearly has 4 dark pearl-like Technic lift-arms which I think are Dark Pearl Gray, definitely not Dark Bluish-Gray. Also, on page 27 of my instruction book, the pictures shows that they are not Dark Bluish-Gray. I don't know how to figure out if this is an alternate version of the same set or a mistake in the existing inventory (a newbie).
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| Author: | happygolucky | | Posted: | Apr 23, 2014 06:23 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 79118-1 | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 14769pb008 Light Bluish Gray Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Bottom Stud Holder with 'N.Y.C.' and Manhole Cover Pattern (Sticker) - Set 79118 (Counterpart)
Comments from Submitter:
Adding stickered counterpart to inventory. Thank you.
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Apr 22, 2014 23:17 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 10674-1 | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 1 Part 96874 Orange Human Tool, Brick and Axle Separator
Comments from Submitter:
Part is already listed in the extras.
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Apr 22, 2014 23:15 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 79122-1 | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 1 Part Orange 96874 Human Tool, Brick and Axle Separator {Regular to Extra}
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| Author: | pikachu3 | | Posted: | Apr 22, 2014 22:20 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 31019-1 | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, viejos writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, pikachu3 writes:
| | I agree that it cannot be built with the X-bottom. Nevertheless, it is a fact
that my copy of the set really did include one of each. I thought it was odd
too, but as it was the only copy I had the inventory was accurate.
It's Lego's mistake, not mine. As far as I knew at the time, all copies
of the set were unbuildable.
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I really never questioned whether your set had one of each or not. I totally
believe you. I am just saying that the model *cannot* be built with one of the
current listed parts in the inventory. LEGO made a mistake packing your set,
and it was unfortunate. However, the official inventory here should show the
correct part and not the incorrect one. We do not want buyers in the future thinking
they can use either part for the build when one of them will obviously not work
and was not intended by LEGO to ever be in the set. I hope that makes a little
more sense in my submitting this as a change request.
Cheers,
Randy
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The question of TLG intention is an important one, and it is one of the factors
often overlooked when BL inventories are being compiled, approved, and adjusted.
This is why good inventory work should involve checking multiple sources, such
as box inventory, instructions inventory, actual pieces on hand, and of course
the build itself. Where sources do not agree, a practical solution must be found.
In this case, it is impractical to include a variant that will not work.
Also I agree that the way inventories are perceived by the average user should
be factored into the process. There are some "wild" extras I have found in sealed
sets over the years that I would not include even as extras because they would
only cause confusion. They were never part of the original set inventory as conceived
by TLG, and were included either just to use up random parts or in error.
The most space I would give to this "variant" is an inventory note to the effect
of: some sets have been found with x variant, but this variant cannot be used
to build the set.
Russell
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I agree, for the most part. But I would definitely want any unusual extra parts
left in, for the sake of accuracy and parting-out.
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Apr 22, 2014 22:15 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 31019-1 | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, viejos writes:
| | The most space I would give to this "variant" is an inventory note to the effect
of: some sets have been found with x variant, but this variant cannot be used
to build the set.
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I like this solution that you propose, Russell. Maybe the Inventory Admins can
comment on this suggestion?
Cheers,
Randy
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| Author: | viejos | | Posted: | Apr 22, 2014 22:11 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 31019-1 | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, pikachu3 writes:
| | I agree that it cannot be built with the X-bottom. Nevertheless, it is a fact
that my copy of the set really did include one of each. I thought it was odd
too, but as it was the only copy I had the inventory was accurate.
It's Lego's mistake, not mine. As far as I knew at the time, all copies
of the set were unbuildable.
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I really never questioned whether your set had one of each or not. I totally
believe you. I am just saying that the model *cannot* be built with one of the
current listed parts in the inventory. LEGO made a mistake packing your set,
and it was unfortunate. However, the official inventory here should show the
correct part and not the incorrect one. We do not want buyers in the future thinking
they can use either part for the build when one of them will obviously not work
and was not intended by LEGO to ever be in the set. I hope that makes a little
more sense in my submitting this as a change request.
Cheers,
Randy
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The question of TLG intention is an important one, and it is one of the factors
often overlooked when BL inventories are being compiled, approved, and adjusted.
This is why good inventory work should involve checking multiple sources, such
as box inventory, instructions inventory, actual pieces on hand, and of course
the build itself. Where sources do not agree, a practical solution must be found.
In this case, it is impractical to include a variant that will not work.
Also I agree that the way inventories are perceived by the average user should
be factored into the process. There are some "wild" extras I have found in sealed
sets over the years that I would not include even as extras because they would
only cause confusion. They were never part of the original set inventory as conceived
by TLG, and were included either just to use up random parts or in error.
The most space I would give to this "variant" is an inventory note to the effect
of: some sets have been found with x variant, but this variant cannot be used
to build the set.
Russell
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| Author: | pikachu3 | | Posted: | Apr 22, 2014 21:58 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 31019-1 | | Viewed: | 19 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, pikachu3 writes:
| | I agree that it cannot be built with the X-bottom. Nevertheless, it is a fact
that my copy of the set really did include one of each. I thought it was odd
too, but as it was the only copy I had the inventory was accurate.
It's Lego's mistake, not mine. As far as I knew at the time, all copies
of the set were unbuildable.
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I really never questioned whether your set had one of each or not. I totally
believe you. I am just saying that the model *cannot* be built with one of the
current listed parts in the inventory. LEGO made a mistake packing your set,
and it was unfortunate. However, the official inventory here should show the
correct part and not the incorrect one. We do not want buyers in the future thinking
they can use either part for the build when one of them will obviously not work
and was not intended by LEGO to ever be in the set. I hope that makes a little
more sense in my submitting this as a change request.
Cheers,
Randy
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Yeah, I see that now, thanks 
Which brings up the question (at least for me): Should the BL inventory show
what a set actually includes, or what it should include in order to
build the set properly? (In the hypothetical that all copies were like mine --
I'm assuming this isn't the case).
Cheers,
Ryan
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Apr 22, 2014 21:43 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 31019-1 | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, pikachu3 writes:
| | I agree that it cannot be built with the X-bottom. Nevertheless, it is a fact
that my copy of the set really did include one of each. I thought it was odd
too, but as it was the only copy I had the inventory was accurate.
It's Lego's mistake, not mine. As far as I knew at the time, all copies
of the set were unbuildable.
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I really never questioned whether your set had one of each or not. I totally
believe you. I am just saying that the model *cannot* be built with one of the
current listed parts in the inventory. LEGO made a mistake packing your set,
and it was unfortunate. However, the official inventory here should show the
correct part and not the incorrect one. We do not want buyers in the future thinking
they can use either part for the build when one of them will obviously not work
and was not intended by LEGO to ever be in the set. I hope that makes a little
more sense in my submitting this as a change request.
Cheers,
Randy
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| Author: | pikachu3 | | Posted: | Apr 22, 2014 21:11 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 31019-1 | | Viewed: | 18 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, hazelsden writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 2 Part 4150pb148 White Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Eye Pattern (Alternate) (match ID 1)
* Change 2 Part White 14769pb004 Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Bottom Stud Holder with Eye Pattern {match ID 1 to 0}
Comments from Submitter:
This set CANNOT be built with part 4150pb148, so it is highly unlikely that this part was ever included. The center, bottom stud holder on 14769pb004 is essential to the build. A prior inventory change request moved part 4150pb148 to the alternate, but it just needs to be removed.
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I agree that it cannot be built with the X-bottom. Nevertheless, it is a fact
that my copy of the set really did include one of each. I thought it was odd
too, but as it was the only copy I had the inventory was accurate.
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I have been in touch with the original submitter of the inventory and he had
one of each and in his set. I tried with both parts
and the build can be made successfully. I did not encounter any problem with
either part.
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The monkey and squirrel builds CANNOT be made with
as the two builds require the center stud opening on the bottom of
to fit over the single stud on
as the connection point. That doesn't work with the other part.
Please let me know how you can make those builds successfully using
because I have the set sitting right in front of me and it does not work. I can
take pictures if you would like.
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It's Lego's mistake, not mine. As far as I knew at the time, all copies
of the set were unbuildable.
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| | If you take another look at the Inventory Change Request that exists you will
see that the submitter was merely changing the regular part and the alternate
part quantity from 1 to 2 in order to correct the inventory.
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If you take another look at the Inventory Change Request that exists, you will
see that the submitter *not only* changed the quantities from one to two but
*also* moved
to the alternate part from the regular part when
was added as the new regular part. That is telling, as the submitter of that
request obviously confirmed that the set contained
as I have also confirmed.
Randy
| | In view of the above reply I will not be removing part 4140pb148 from the set
and your inventory change request has been denied.
Hazel
Inv. Admin.
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Apr 22, 2014 20:49 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 31019-1 | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, hazelsden writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 2 Part 4150pb148 White Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Eye Pattern (Alternate) (match ID 1)
* Change 2 Part White 14769pb004 Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Bottom Stud Holder with Eye Pattern {match ID 1 to 0}
Comments from Submitter:
This set CANNOT be built with part 4150pb148, so it is highly unlikely that this part was ever included. The center, bottom stud holder on 14769pb004 is essential to the build. A prior inventory change request moved part 4150pb148 to the alternate, but it just needs to be removed.
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I have been in touch with the original submitter of the inventory and he had
one of each and in his set. I tried with both parts
and the build can be made successfully. I did not encounter any problem with
either part.
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The monkey and squirrel builds CANNOT be made with
as the two builds require the center stud opening on the bottom of
to fit over the single stud on
as the connection point. That doesn't work with the other part.
Please let me know how you can make those builds successfully using
because I have the set sitting right in front of me and it does not work. I can
take pictures if you would like.
| | If you take another look at the Inventory Change Request that exists you will
see that the submitter was merely changing the regular part and the alternate
part quantity from 1 to 2 in order to correct the inventory.
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If you take another look at the Inventory Change Request that exists, you will
see that the submitter *not only* changed the quantities from one to two but
*also* moved
to the alternate part from the regular part when
was added as the new regular part. That is telling, as the submitter of that
request obviously confirmed that the set contained
as I have also confirmed.
Randy
| | In view of the above reply I will not be removing part 4140pb148 from the set
and your inventory change request has been denied.
Hazel
Inv. Admin.
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| Author: | hazelsden | | Posted: | Apr 22, 2014 20:37 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 10675-1 | | Viewed: | 19 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, TakeAbricK writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 1 Part White {52035c01 Motorcycle City, Complete Assembly with Black Chassis (Short Fairing Mounts) and Light Bluish Gray Wheels to 52035c02 Motorcycle City, Complete Assembly with Black Chassis (Long Fairing Mounts) and Light Bluish Gray Wheels} (Counterpart)
Comments from Submitter:
It's the one with the Long Fairing Mounts.
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Good Catch - my error. I must have had finger problems.
Hazel
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| Author: | hazelsden | | Posted: | Apr 22, 2014 20:22 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 31019-1 | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 2 Part 4150pb148 White Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Eye Pattern (Alternate) (match ID 1)
* Change 2 Part White 14769pb004 Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Bottom Stud Holder with Eye Pattern {match ID 1 to 0}
Comments from Submitter:
This set CANNOT be built with part 4150pb148, so it is highly unlikely that this part was ever included. The center, bottom stud holder on 14769pb004 is essential to the build. A prior inventory change request moved part 4150pb148 to the alternate, but it just needs to be removed.
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I have been in touch with the original submitter of the inventory and he had
one of each and in his set. I tried with both parts
and the build can be made successfully. I did not encounter any problem with
either part.
If you take another look at the Inventory Change Request that exists you will
see that the submitter was merely changing the regular part and the alternate
part quantity from 1 to 2 in order to correct the inventory.
In view of the above reply I will not be removing part 4140pb148 from the set
and your inventory change request has been denied.
Hazel
Inv. Admin.
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| Author: | hazelsden | | Posted: | Apr 22, 2014 16:23 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 31019-1 | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
| In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Delete 2 Part 4150pb148 White Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Eye Pattern (Alternate) (match ID 1)
* Change 2 Part White 14769pb004 Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Bottom Stud Holder with Eye Pattern {match ID 1 to 0}
Comments from Submitter:
This set CANNOT be built with part 4150pb148, so it is highly unlikely that this part was ever included. The center, bottom stud holder on 14769pb004 is essential to the build. A prior inventory change request moved part 4150pb148 to the alternate, but it just needs to be removed.
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Fact is it can be built with regardless of the pb suffix.
However in my opinion 4150 probably never came with a printed eye pattern but
I will check further.
Hazel
Inv. Admin
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| Author: | zux | | Posted: | Apr 22, 2014 14:34 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 8858-1 | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 3005 Light Gray Brick 1 x 1
* Add 1 Part 3460 Light Gray Plate 1 x 8
* Delete 2 Part 2420 Light Gray Plate 2 x 2 Corner
* Change {11 to 15} Part Light Gray 4274 Technic, Pin 1/2
* Change 1 Part Light Gray {3069b Tile 1 x 2 with Groove to 4162 Tile 1 x 8}
* Change {28 to 27} Part Black 2780 Technic, Pin with Friction Ridges Lengthwise WITH Center Slots
* Change {16 to 12} Part Light Gray 3749 Technic, Axle Pin without Friction Ridges Lengthwise
* Change {33 to 29} Part Light Gray 4265b Technic Bush 1/2 Toothed Type II
* Change {5 to 1} Part Light Gray 3022 Plate 2 x 2
* Change {3 to 2} Part Light Gray 3666 Plate 1 x 6
* Change {4 to 3} Part Light Gray 3700 Technic, Brick 1 x 2 with Hole
Comments from Submitter:
Verified with build model and Building instructions. Previous submitter for changes on this set was quite a sabotager. Like some deleted parts appear on first steps on BI. Some parts too many, some don't event exist in A or B models.
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| Author: | BLUSER_478021 | | Posted: | Apr 22, 2014 14:19 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 3606-1 | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 6426 Orange Duplo Hose 11L with over-the-stud-size & stud-size ends
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| Author: | eileenkeeney | | Posted: | Apr 22, 2014 11:21 | | Subject: | Re: Inter Brick Link Money system | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, Brettj666 writes:
| | In Suggestions, eileenkeeney writes:
| | In Suggestions, LegoXman writes:
| | Hi,
I think it would be cool/helpful to have a system in Brick Link where you keep
your money, so Person A could buy something from person B, send him money, it
goes in Person B's BL Account, and BAM!
What do YOU think?
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I think it is extremely high risk, and if I owned BL I would not touch this.
As a user of BL I would not choose to use this if it were offered.
Also,
No one is dependent on BL for this type of system.
IF someone wants to manage such a currency pool, set one up, and get sellers
and buyers to agree to use it.
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I honestly don't think Bricklink would be interested in it anyway.
If they wanted to do the work for it, they would have to set up an entire infrastructure
to support it and it wouldn't be free, it would need to be a money generator..
So if the goal was to get around paypal fees, that won't happen
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This is an really old thread, and even the person who started it no longer agrees.
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| Author: | Loremonger | | Posted: | Apr 22, 2014 11:17 | | Subject: | Re: Inter Brick Link Money system | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, LegoXman writes:
| | Hi,
I think it would be cool/helpful to have a system in Brick Link where you keep
your money, so Person A could buy something from person B, send him money, it
goes in Person B's BL Account, and BAM!
What do YOU think?
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That's a lot more complex than it sounds, legally and programmatically. There's
a reason that almost everyone outsources payments.
Enoch
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| Author: | Brettj666 | | Posted: | Apr 22, 2014 11:09 | | Subject: | Re: Inter Brick Link Money system | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, eileenkeeney writes:
| | In Suggestions, LegoXman writes:
| | Hi,
I think it would be cool/helpful to have a system in Brick Link where you keep
your money, so Person A could buy something from person B, send him money, it
goes in Person B's BL Account, and BAM!
What do YOU think?
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I think it is extremely high risk, and if I owned BL I would not touch this.
As a user of BL I would not choose to use this if it were offered.
Also,
No one is dependent on BL for this type of system.
IF someone wants to manage such a currency pool, set one up, and get sellers
and buyers to agree to use it.
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I honestly don't think Bricklink would be interested in it anyway.
If they wanted to do the work for it, they would have to set up an entire infrastructure
to support it and it wouldn't be free, it would need to be a money generator..
So if the goal was to get around paypal fees, that won't happen
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| Author: | tkkemp | | Posted: | Apr 22, 2014 11:06 | | Subject: | Re: Inter Brick Link Money system | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, bljesprop writes:
| | In Suggestions, Daave writes:
| | Do bitcoins have a license?
In Suggestions, mabccc writes:
| | In Suggestions, kanownik writes:
| | I think he was thinking of BL having it's own Paypal like system.
Users could send money to and from an assigned bank account and then make payments
internally.
However, given the past problems of hacking and the site's security at this
point this is probably a miserable idea at the time.
let's call it BrickPal and see how long it takes for the Ebay conglomerate
to attack.
Ken
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There is also the little manner of banking licenses.
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Bitcoins is a currency. (At least according to recent testimony before the US
Congressional Banking Committees!) There is nothing in the laws of our land preventing
someone from starting an alternative currency. Provided, of course, that its
primary use is as a currency and not as the basis for fraud.
Brickpal would be a bank-like entity. Chances of Brickpal being approved are
virtually nil.
I like the idea of people submitting catalog items, acting as admins, and helping
newbie's as a way to earn brickcoins. Someone would need to allow others
to purchase goods or services with them. I seem to recall a similar set of features
on some other site.
jes
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must. not. comment. on. how. terrible. bitcoins. are......
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| Author: | eileenkeeney | | Posted: | Apr 22, 2014 10:57 | | Subject: | Re: Inter Brick Link Money system | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, LegoXman writes:
| | Hi,
I think it would be cool/helpful to have a system in Brick Link where you keep
your money, so Person A could buy something from person B, send him money, it
goes in Person B's BL Account, and BAM!
What do YOU think?
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I think it is extremely high risk, and if I owned BL I would not touch this.
As a user of BL I would not choose to use this if it were offered.
Also,
No one is dependent on BL for this type of system.
IF someone wants to manage such a currency pool, set one up, and get sellers
and buyers to agree to use it.
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Apr 22, 2014 09:47 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 44020-1 | | Viewed: | 19 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 1 Part White 98138pb018 Tile, Round 1 x 1 with Hero Factory H Pattern {Regular to Extra}
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| Author: | LegoXman | | Posted: | Apr 22, 2014 09:17 | | Subject: | Re: Inter Brick Link Money system | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| In Suggestions, LegoXman writes:
| | Hi,
I think it would be cool/helpful to have a system in Brick Link where you keep
your money, so Person A could buy something from person B, send him money, it
goes in Person B's BL Account, and BAM!
What do YOU think?
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Yeah, nvm, I changed my mind, paypal is good.
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| Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | Apr 22, 2014 05:41 | | Subject: | Re: Weekly Fix Idea. | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
| I think they are fixing things. They just do not announce all of them.
A recent update made enter my address in "standardized" manner. My address was
correct, but there seems to have been an update to the form. At fist sight, this
seems to be a good idea. This website depends on reliable addresses so buyers
can buy and sellers can sell. That is until you realise that every country sets
its own standard. Now my address is no longer standardised for the Dutch mail
Later, I found a suggestion asking for this change (including comments explaining
why this is not a good idea).
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