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 Author: SezaR View Messages Posted By SezaR
 Posted: Jan 22, 2025 18:06
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SezaR (1782)

Location:  Canada, British Columbia
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Store: Sezar's trains
Is offering this method of payment against TOS of Bricklink?
I have seen and found 10 members offering payment via PayPal f&f and reported
them but no action has been taken against them, as far as I can see, after a
week.
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: Jan 22, 2025 18:08
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randyf (451)

Location:  USA, Ohio
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In General, SezaR writes:
  Is offering this method of payment against TOS of Bricklink?
I have seen and found 10 members offering payment via PayPal f&f and reported
them but no action has been taken against them, as far as I can see, after a
week.


I don't know if it is against BL's ToS, but it should be against PayPal's
ToS.
 Author: Nubs_Select View Messages Posted By Nubs_Select
 Posted: Jan 22, 2025 18:12
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Nubs_Select (4916)

Location:  Canada, Ontario
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Store: Nub's Select
BrickLink Inventories Administrator (?)
In Terms and Policies, randyf writes:
  In General, SezaR writes:
  Is offering this method of payment against TOS of Bricklink?
I have seen and found 10 members offering payment via PayPal f&f and reported
them but no action has been taken against them, as far as I can see, after a
week.


I don't know if it is against BL's ToS, but it should be against PayPal's
ToS.

I'm almost 100% certain that stores have been shut down specifically for
that reason
 Author: SezaR View Messages Posted By SezaR
 Posted: Jan 22, 2025 18:42
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SezaR (1782)

Location:  Canada, British Columbia
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Jan 15, 2015 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: Sezar's trains
In Terms and Policies, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Terms and Policies, randyf writes:
  In General, SezaR writes:
  Is offering this method of payment against TOS of Bricklink?
I have seen and found 10 members offering payment via PayPal f&f and reported
them but no action has been taken against them, as far as I can see, after a
week.


I don't know if it is against BL's ToS, but it should be against PayPal's
ToS.

I'm almost 100% certain that stores have been shut down specifically for
that reason

Good to hear that. So the helpdesk will review my reports sometime in the future?

Just google bricklink + PayPal friends and family (or friends&family) and land
into a dozen stores offering this safe and lawful method of payment
 Author: Nubs_Select View Messages Posted By Nubs_Select
 Posted: Jan 22, 2025 18:48
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Nubs_Select (4916)

Location:  Canada, Ontario
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Store: Nub's Select
BrickLink Inventories Administrator (?)
In Terms and Policies, SezaR writes:
  In Terms and Policies, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Terms and Policies, randyf writes:
  In General, SezaR writes:
  Is offering this method of payment against TOS of Bricklink?
I have seen and found 10 members offering payment via PayPal f&f and reported
them but no action has been taken against them, as far as I can see, after a
week.


I don't know if it is against BL's ToS, but it should be against PayPal's
ToS.

I'm almost 100% certain that stores have been shut down specifically for
that reason

Good to hear that. So the helpdesk will review my reports sometime in the future?


hopefully

  Just google bricklink + PayPal friends and family (or friends&family) and land



  into a dozen stores offering this safe and lawful method of payment
 Author: diasbrikz View Messages Posted By diasbrikz
 Posted: Jan 29, 2025 15:10
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diasbrikz (751)

Location:  Romania, Bucureşti
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The only issue with this is that the buyer has no protection as per goods and
services.The stores that you see accepting paymeny via friends method probably
are stores not located in the US.

It is very common for people(in EU buyers most of the time ask for this method)
to try getting cheaper products this way cause at the end of the day 6% you have
in fees for G&S - so by using friends method (like direct money transfer) you
can buy a bit more Lego.



In Terms and Policies, SezaR writes:
  In Terms and Policies, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Terms and Policies, randyf writes:
  In General, SezaR writes:
  Is offering this method of payment against TOS of Bricklink?
I have seen and found 10 members offering payment via PayPal f&f and reported
them but no action has been taken against them, as far as I can see, after a
week.


I don't know if it is against BL's ToS, but it should be against PayPal's
ToS.

I'm almost 100% certain that stores have been shut down specifically for
that reason

Good to hear that. So the helpdesk will review my reports sometime in the future?

Just google bricklink + PayPal friends and family (or friends&family) and land
into a dozen stores offering this safe and lawful method of payment
 Author: Nubs_Select View Messages Posted By Nubs_Select
 Posted: Jan 29, 2025 15:17
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Nubs_Select (4916)

Location:  Canada, Ontario
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Mar 15, 2016 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: Nub's Select
BrickLink Inventories Administrator (?)
In Terms and Policies, diasbrikz writes:
  The only issue with this is that the buyer has no protection as per goods and
services.The stores that you see accepting paymeny via friends method probably
are stores not located in the US.

It violates Paypal tos and will likely get your bricklink and Paypal account
suspended

  
It is very common for people(in EU buyers most of the time ask for this method)
to try getting cheaper products this way cause at the end of the day 6% you have
in fees for G&S - so by using friends method (like direct money transfer) you
can buy a bit more Lego.


sellers should simply raise their prices by 6% and charge no fees, a win win
for everyone, we here in north America pay the same fees and its very rare to
see someone offer it

  

In Terms and Policies, SezaR writes:
  In Terms and Policies, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Terms and Policies, randyf writes:
  In General, SezaR writes:
  Is offering this method of payment against TOS of Bricklink?
I have seen and found 10 members offering payment via PayPal f&f and reported
them but no action has been taken against them, as far as I can see, after a
week.


I don't know if it is against BL's ToS, but it should be against PayPal's
ToS.

I'm almost 100% certain that stores have been shut down specifically for
that reason

Good to hear that. So the helpdesk will review my reports sometime in the future?

Just google bricklink + PayPal friends and family (or friends&family) and land
into a dozen stores offering this safe and lawful method of payment
 Author: SezaR View Messages Posted By SezaR
 Posted: Jan 29, 2025 20:10
 Subject: Not banned yet, so smart choice: PayPal friends
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SezaR (1782)

Location:  Canada, British Columbia
Member Since Contact Type Status
Jan 15, 2015 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: Sezar's trains
In Terms and Policies, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Terms and Policies, diasbrikz writes:
  The only issue with this is that the buyer has no protection as per goods and
services.The stores that you see accepting paymeny via friends method probably
are stores not located in the US.

It violates Paypal tos and will likely get your bricklink and Paypal account
suspended

  
It is very common for people(in EU buyers most of the time ask for this method)
to try getting cheaper products this way cause at the end of the day 6% you have
in fees for G&S - so by using friends method (like direct money transfer) you
can buy a bit more Lego.


sellers should simply raise their prices by 6% and charge no fees, a win win
for everyone, we here in north America pay the same fees and its very rare to
see someone offer it

I found and reported 10 stores offering PayPal friends & family.
One of them is in Canada and one in the USA.
After about 2-3 weeks, BL did not ban them so I get these 10 sellers made a smart
choice.

  
  

In Terms and Policies, SezaR writes:
  In Terms and Policies, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Terms and Policies, randyf writes:
  In General, SezaR writes:
  Is offering this method of payment against TOS of Bricklink?
I have seen and found 10 members offering payment via PayPal f&f and reported
them but no action has been taken against them, as far as I can see, after a
week.


I don't know if it is against BL's ToS, but it should be against PayPal's
ToS.

I'm almost 100% certain that stores have been shut down specifically for
that reason

Good to hear that. So the helpdesk will review my reports sometime in the future?

Just google bricklink + PayPal friends and family (or friends&family) and land
into a dozen stores offering this safe and lawful method of payment
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Jan 30, 2025 02:25
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yorbrick (1209)

Location:  United Kingdom, England
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Store Closed Store: Yorbricks
In Terms and Policies, diasbrikz writes:
  The only issue with this is that the buyer has no protection as per goods and
services.The stores that you see accepting paymeny via friends method probably
are stores not located in the US.


This depends on what you mean by buyer protection. If a buyer pays by credit
card, then it is the seller has that has no protection if the buyer claims through
their card company. There was no sale, so nothing to be protected.
 Author: Nubs_Select View Messages Posted By Nubs_Select
 Posted: Jan 30, 2025 02:51
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Nubs_Select (4916)

Location:  Canada, Ontario
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Store: Nub's Select
BrickLink Inventories Administrator (?)
In Terms and Policies, yorbrick writes:
  In Terms and Policies, diasbrikz writes:
  The only issue with this is that the buyer has no protection as per goods and
services.The stores that you see accepting paymeny via friends method probably
are stores not located in the US.


This depends on what you mean by buyer protection. If a buyer pays by credit
card, then it is the seller has that has no protection if the buyer claims through
their card company. There was no sale, so nothing to be protected.

I’m not sure if you can pay with credit card via friends and family
 Author: SezaR View Messages Posted By SezaR
 Posted: Jan 30, 2025 03:01
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SezaR (1782)

Location:  Canada, British Columbia
Member Since Contact Type Status
Jan 15, 2015 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: Sezar's trains
In Terms and Policies, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Terms and Policies, yorbrick writes:
  In Terms and Policies, diasbrikz writes:
  The only issue with this is that the buyer has no protection as per goods and
services.The stores that you see accepting paymeny via friends method probably
are stores not located in the US.


This depends on what you mean by buyer protection. If a buyer pays by credit
card, then it is the seller has that has no protection if the buyer claims through
their card company. There was no sale, so nothing to be protected.

I’m not sure if you can pay with credit card via friends and family

Yes if you pay via friends and family
And it came to my mind to buy from each of these sellers like $100-200 and then
file a charge back. Then they would certainly remove paypal f&f from their terms
😀😀 missions achieved with no effort 😀
 Author: Nubs_Select View Messages Posted By Nubs_Select
 Posted: Jan 30, 2025 03:15
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Location:  Canada, Ontario
Member Since Contact Type Status
Mar 15, 2016 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: Nub's Select
BrickLink Inventories Administrator (?)
In Terms and Policies, SezaR writes:
  In Terms and Policies, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Terms and Policies, yorbrick writes:
  In Terms and Policies, diasbrikz writes:
  The only issue with this is that the buyer has no protection as per goods and
services.The stores that you see accepting paymeny via friends method probably
are stores not located in the US.


This depends on what you mean by buyer protection. If a buyer pays by credit
card, then it is the seller has that has no protection if the buyer claims through
their card company. There was no sale, so nothing to be protected.

I’m not sure if you can pay with credit card via friends and family

Yes if you pay via friends and family
And it came to my mind to buy from each of these sellers like $100-200 and then
file a charge back. Then they would certainly remove paypal f&f from their terms
😀😀 missions achieved with no effort 😀

😅😅
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Jan 30, 2025 03:24
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yorbrick (1209)

Location:  United Kingdom, England
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Store Closed Store: Yorbricks
In Terms and Policies, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Terms and Policies, yorbrick writes:
  In Terms and Policies, diasbrikz writes:
  The only issue with this is that the buyer has no protection as per goods and
services.The stores that you see accepting paymeny via friends method probably
are stores not located in the US.


This depends on what you mean by buyer protection. If a buyer pays by credit
card, then it is the seller has that has no protection if the buyer claims through
their card company. There was no sale, so nothing to be protected.

I’m not sure if you can pay with credit card via friends and family

You can here, or at least could. I noted a scam with it a while ago...

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1444840

I only know this as my PayPal account received a £400 transaction from an unknown
person, followed by another one, then a third in quick succession. Then an email
saying it was for a sofa and that they had accidentally made three payments instead
of one and would I bank transfer the money back as F&F cannot be reversed and
that I would be able to tell it is F&F as tgere would be no fees. Then finally
another email saying that they meant to send payment to someone else and they
hope I am an honest person and will refund them all the payments by bank transfer
as their PayPal account has been blocked, again pointing out that F&F is guaranteed
and cannot be refunded.

I just reported it to PayPal and they cancelled all the payments.
 Author: Nubs_Select View Messages Posted By Nubs_Select
 Posted: Jan 30, 2025 03:40
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Location:  Canada, Ontario
Member Since Contact Type Status
Mar 15, 2016 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: Nub's Select
BrickLink Inventories Administrator (?)
In Terms and Policies, yorbrick writes:
  In Terms and Policies, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Terms and Policies, yorbrick writes:
  In Terms and Policies, diasbrikz writes:
  The only issue with this is that the buyer has no protection as per goods and
services.The stores that you see accepting paymeny via friends method probably
are stores not located in the US.


This depends on what you mean by buyer protection. If a buyer pays by credit
card, then it is the seller has that has no protection if the buyer claims through
their card company. There was no sale, so nothing to be protected.

I’m not sure if you can pay with credit card via friends and family

You can here, or at least could. I noted a scam with it a while ago...

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1444840

I only know this as my PayPal account received a £400 transaction from an unknown
person, followed by another one, then a third in quick succession. Then an email
saying it was for a sofa and that they had accidentally made three payments instead
of one and would I bank transfer the money back as F&F cannot be reversed and
that I would be able to tell it is F&F as tgere would be no fees. Then finally
another email saying that they meant to send payment to someone else and they
hope I am an honest person and will refund them all the payments by bank transfer
as their PayPal account has been blocked, again pointing out that F&F is guaranteed
and cannot be refunded.

I just reported it to PayPal and they cancelled all the payments.

Good to know!
 Author: peregrinator View Messages Posted By peregrinator
 Posted: Jan 30, 2025 06:10
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Location:  USA, New Jersey
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Store: Faber Family Bricks
In Terms and Policies, yorbrick writes:
  In Terms and Policies, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Terms and Policies, yorbrick writes:
  In Terms and Policies, diasbrikz writes:
  The only issue with this is that the buyer has no protection as per goods and
services.The stores that you see accepting paymeny via friends method probably
are stores not located in the US.


This depends on what you mean by buyer protection. If a buyer pays by credit
card, then it is the seller has that has no protection if the buyer claims through
their card company. There was no sale, so nothing to be protected.

I’m not sure if you can pay with credit card via friends and family

You can here, or at least could.

IIRC you could at one point in the USA but there were still credit card processing
fees associated with it.
 Author: peregrinator View Messages Posted By peregrinator
 Posted: Jan 22, 2025 20:52
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Location:  USA, New Jersey
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Store: Faber Family Bricks
In Terms and Policies, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Terms and Policies, randyf writes:
  In General, SezaR writes:
  Is offering this method of payment against TOS of Bricklink?
I have seen and found 10 members offering payment via PayPal f&f and reported
them but no action has been taken against them, as far as I can see, after a
week.


I don't know if it is against BL's ToS, but it should be against PayPal's
ToS.

I'm almost 100% certain that stores have been shut down specifically for
that reason

Guy who charges extra for PayPal but only accepts PayPal F&F type of guy
 Author: Nubs_Select View Messages Posted By Nubs_Select
 Posted: Jan 22, 2025 20:54
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Location:  Canada, Ontario
Member Since Contact Type Status
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Store: Nub's Select
BrickLink Inventories Administrator (?)
In Terms and Policies, peregrinator writes:
  In Terms and Policies, Nubs_Select writes:
  In Terms and Policies, randyf writes:
  In General, SezaR writes:
  Is offering this method of payment against TOS of Bricklink?
I have seen and found 10 members offering payment via PayPal f&f and reported
them but no action has been taken against them, as far as I can see, after a
week.


I don't know if it is against BL's ToS, but it should be against PayPal's
ToS.

I'm almost 100% certain that stores have been shut down specifically for
that reason

Guy who charges extra for PayPal but only accepts PayPal F&F type of guy

that would be comedy gold