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| | | Author: | CE_Anastasia  | | Posted: | Nov 15, 2024 19:47 | | Subject: | Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 612 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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BrickLink
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| Dear members,
Because LEGO BrickLink is required to comply with the EU Digital Services Act
(DSA), we are introducing seller account self-certification. The DSA requires
that all sellers must certify that they are providing products and services that
are in compliance with European Union law by February 16, 2025. This requirement
applies to all BrickLink sellers, regardless of whether they ship to the European
Union or not.
We will be sharing more details shortly. Keep an eye out for updates through
the BrickLink Team emails, the BrickLink Forum, or our DSA Help page:https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2655
The EU Digital Services Act regulates, among other things, online marketplaces
such as BrickLink. Its goal is to provide a transparent and safe online environment
by establishing a unified set of rules and regulations for illegal online content.
We appreciate your understanding.
The BrickLink Team
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| | | | | Author: | Saitobricks.ca | | Posted: | Nov 15, 2024 19:55 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 113 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| I am so thankful I don't live in the EU
In Administrative, CE_Anastasia writes:
| | Dear members,
Because LEGO BrickLink is required to comply with the EU Digital Services Act
(DSA), we are introducing seller account self-certification. The DSA requires
that all sellers must certify that they are providing products and services that
are in compliance with European Union law by February 16, 2025. This requirement
applies to all BrickLink sellers, regardless of whether they ship to the European
Union or not.
We will be sharing more details shortly. Keep an eye out for updates through
the BrickLink Team emails, the BrickLink Forum, or our DSA Help page:https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2655
The EU Digital Services Act regulates, among other things, online marketplaces
such as BrickLink. Its goal is to provide a transparent and safe online environment
by establishing a unified set of rules and regulations for illegal online content.
We appreciate your understanding.
The BrickLink Team
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| | | | | | | Author: | Zor | | Posted: | Nov 15, 2024 19:58 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 86 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| Your reading compression skills need work, it still applies to you even being
outside the EU
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Nov 15, 2024 19:59 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 74 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Zor writes:
| | Your reading compression skills need work, it still applies to you even being
outside the EU
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you beat me to it! 
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Zor | | Posted: | Nov 15, 2024 20:06 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| | Lol |
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Nov 15, 2024 20:49 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 71 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Zor writes:
| | Your reading compression skills...
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Is that like speed reading? 
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Nov 15, 2024 20:51 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, randyf writes:
| | In Administrative, Zor writes:
| | Your reading compression skills...
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Is that like speed reading?
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| | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Nov 15, 2024 19:58 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| | | | | This requirement applies to all BrickLink sellers, regardless of whether they ship to the European
Union or not.
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| | In Administrative, Saitobricks.ca writes:
I am so thankful I don't live in the EU
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looks like it doesn't make a different in this case
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Saitobricks.ca | | Posted: | Nov 15, 2024 20:08 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Nubs_Select writes:
| | | | | | This requirement applies to all BrickLink sellers, regardless of whether they ship to the European
Union or not.
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| | In Administrative, Saitobricks.ca writes:
I am so thankful I don't live in the EU
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looks like it doesn't make a different in this case
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Aww, ya rained on my party
Your right the line of doom states that even sellers not selling to the EU must
pay tribute
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| | | | | Author: | PlanetEarthToys | | Posted: | Nov 15, 2024 20:34 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 105 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, CE_Anastasia writes:
| | Dear members,
Because LEGO BrickLink is required to comply with the EU Digital Services Act
(DSA), we are introducing seller account self-certification. The DSA requires
that all sellers must certify that they are providing products and services that
are in compliance with European Union law by February 16, 2025. This requirement
applies to all BrickLink sellers, regardless of whether they ship to the European
Union or not.
We will be sharing more details shortly. Keep an eye out for updates through
the BrickLink Team emails, the BrickLink Forum, or our DSA Help page:https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2655
The EU Digital Services Act regulates, among other things, online marketplaces
such as BrickLink. Its goal is to provide a transparent and safe online environment
by establishing a unified set of rules and regulations for illegal online content.
We appreciate your understanding.
The BrickLink Team
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I'll break my silence once for this post
this should be interesting ....
considering how the EU views Hate-Speech & Digital Online Bullying & Online Digital
Content, i wonder how this will pertain to this very Forum........
if you Break an EU Law by harassing someone or commenting the wrong thing that
offends someone in the Forum, will the EU issue an arrest warrant, whether you
sell to the EU or not?
or do you just get permanently banned from BL ?
dangerous territory feller's.... maybe someone can explain what part of Lego
selling would be considered "Illegal Online Content"... outside of the
scope of .. bricks
uh-oh.. wait. this means
the Redcoats are coming...
you know who we need???
yes!!!
YEs!!!!!!!!!
YESSSSSSS!!!!
where.. is Mr. Yankee Doodle...??? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| | | | | | | Author: | Saitobricks.ca | | Posted: | Nov 15, 2024 20:40 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| My thought exactly, although they lean a little more towards the dark side of
things, such as world domination, but I don’t want to get banned again so I will
keep my peace on this matter.
In Administrative, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | In Administrative, CE_Anastasia writes:
| | Dear members,
Because LEGO BrickLink is required to comply with the EU Digital Services Act
(DSA), we are introducing seller account self-certification. The DSA requires
that all sellers must certify that they are providing products and services that
are in compliance with European Union law by February 16, 2025. This requirement
applies to all BrickLink sellers, regardless of whether they ship to the European
Union or not.
We will be sharing more details shortly. Keep an eye out for updates through
the BrickLink Team emails, the BrickLink Forum, or our DSA Help page:https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2655
The EU Digital Services Act regulates, among other things, online marketplaces
such as BrickLink. Its goal is to provide a transparent and safe online environment
by establishing a unified set of rules and regulations for illegal online content.
We appreciate your understanding.
The BrickLink Team
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I'll break my silence once for this post
this should be interesting ....
considering how the EU views Hate-Speech & Digital Online Bullying & Online Digital
Content, i wonder how this will pertain to this very Forum........
if you Break an EU Law by harassing someone or commenting the wrong thing that
offends someone in the Forum, will the EU issue an arrest warrant, whether you
sell to the EU or not?
or do you just get permanently banned from BL ?
dangerous territory feller's.... maybe someone can explain what part of Lego
selling would be considered "Illegal Online Content"... outside of the
scope of .. bricks
uh-oh.. wait. this means
the Redcoats are coming...
you know who we need???
yes!!!
YEs!!!!!!!!!
YESSSSSSS!!!!
where.. is Mr. Yankee Doodle...??? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | PlanetEarthToys | | Posted: | Nov 15, 2024 20:43 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Saitobricks.ca writes:
| | My thought exactly, although they lean a little more towards the dark side of
things, such as world domination, but I don’t want to get banned again so I will
keep my peace on this matter.
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Again...?
were you previously Banned ?
slippage of tongue , hope did not happen Saito...
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Saitobricks.ca | | Posted: | Nov 15, 2024 20:47 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | In Administrative, Saitobricks.ca writes:
| | My thought exactly, although they lean a little more towards the dark side of
things, such as world domination, but I don’t want to get banned again so I will
keep my peace on this matter.
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Again...?
were you previously Banned ?
slippage of tongue , hope did not happen Saito...
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Yep, I was banned.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | ScubaSteve | | Posted: | Nov 15, 2024 22:09 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Saitobricks.ca writes:
| | My thought exactly, although they lean a little more towards the dark side of
things, such as world domination, but I don’t want to get banned again so I will
keep my peace on this matter.
In Administrative, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | In Administrative, CE_Anastasia writes:
| | Dear members,
Because LEGO BrickLink is required to comply with the EU Digital Services Act
(DSA), we are introducing seller account self-certification. The DSA requires
that all sellers must certify that they are providing products and services that
are in compliance with European Union law by February 16, 2025. This requirement
applies to all BrickLink sellers, regardless of whether they ship to the European
Union or not.
We will be sharing more details shortly. Keep an eye out for updates through
the BrickLink Team emails, the BrickLink Forum, or our DSA Help page:https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2655
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Again? Are you the Bricklink mafia?
| | | | | | The EU Digital Services Act regulates, among other things, online marketplaces
such as BrickLink. Its goal is to provide a transparent and safe online environment
by establishing a unified set of rules and regulations for illegal online content.
We appreciate your understanding.
The BrickLink Team
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I'll break my silence once for this post
this should be interesting ....
considering how the EU views Hate-Speech & Digital Online Bullying & Online Digital
Content, i wonder how this will pertain to this very Forum........
if you Break an EU Law by harassing someone or commenting the wrong thing that
offends someone in the Forum, will the EU issue an arrest warrant, whether you
sell to the EU or not?
or do you just get permanently banned from BL ?
dangerous territory feller's.... maybe someone can explain what part of Lego
selling would be considered "Illegal Online Content"... outside of the
scope of .. bricks
uh-oh.. wait. this means
the Redcoats are coming...
you know who we need???
yes!!!
YEs!!!!!!!!!
YESSSSSSS!!!!
where.. is Mr. Yankee Doodle...??? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Saitobricks.ca | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 11:45 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, ScubaSteve writes:
| | In Administrative, Saitobricks.ca writes:
| | My thought exactly, although they lean a little more towards the dark side of
things, such as world domination, but I don’t want to get banned again so I will
keep my peace on this matter.
In Administrative, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | In Administrative, CE_Anastasia writes:
| | Dear members,
Because LEGO BrickLink is required to comply with the EU Digital Services Act
(DSA), we are introducing seller account self-certification. The DSA requires
that all sellers must certify that they are providing products and services that
are in compliance with European Union law by February 16, 2025. This requirement
applies to all BrickLink sellers, regardless of whether they ship to the European
Union or not.
We will be sharing more details shortly. Keep an eye out for updates through
the BrickLink Team emails, the BrickLink Forum, or our DSA Help page:https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2655
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Again? Are you the Bricklink mafia?
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Are you interested in joining?
| | | | | | | | The EU Digital Services Act regulates, among other things, online marketplaces
such as BrickLink. Its goal is to provide a transparent and safe online environment
by establishing a unified set of rules and regulations for illegal online content.
We appreciate your understanding.
The BrickLink Team
|
I'll break my silence once for this post
this should be interesting ....
considering how the EU views Hate-Speech & Digital Online Bullying & Online Digital
Content, i wonder how this will pertain to this very Forum........
if you Break an EU Law by harassing someone or commenting the wrong thing that
offends someone in the Forum, will the EU issue an arrest warrant, whether you
sell to the EU or not?
or do you just get permanently banned from BL ?
dangerous territory feller's.... maybe someone can explain what part of Lego
selling would be considered "Illegal Online Content"... outside of the
scope of .. bricks
uh-oh.. wait. this means
the Redcoats are coming...
you know who we need???
yes!!!
YEs!!!!!!!!!
YESSSSSSS!!!!
where.. is Mr. Yankee Doodle...??? !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Nov 15, 2024 20:43 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 75 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | I'll break my silence once for this post
this should be interesting ....
considering how the EU views Hate-Speech & Digital Online Bullying & Online Digital
Content, i wonder how this will pertain to this very Forum........
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What you say on the forum is not a product or a service for sale.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | PlanetEarthToys | | Posted: | Nov 15, 2024 20:46 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, axaday writes:
| | In Administrative, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | I'll break my silence once for this post
this should be interesting ....
considering how the EU views Hate-Speech & Digital Online Bullying & Online Digital
Content, i wonder how this will pertain to this very Forum........
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What you say on the forum is not a product or a service for sale.
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read it all
"DSA focuses on illegal and harmful online content."
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Saitobricks.ca | | Posted: | Nov 15, 2024 20:48 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | In Administrative, axaday writes:
| | In Administrative, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | I'll break my silence once for this post
this should be interesting ....
considering how the EU views Hate-Speech & Digital Online Bullying & Online Digital
Content, i wonder how this will pertain to this very Forum........
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What you say on the forum is not a product or a service for sale.
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read it all
"DSA focuses on illegal and harmful online content."
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Censorship has set sail for North America
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Nov 15, 2024 20:57 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Saitobricks.ca writes:
| | In Administrative, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | In Administrative, axaday writes:
| | In Administrative, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | I'll break my silence once for this post
this should be interesting ....
considering how the EU views Hate-Speech & Digital Online Bullying & Online Digital
Content, i wonder how this will pertain to this very Forum........
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What you say on the forum is not a product or a service for sale.
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read it all
"DSA focuses on illegal and harmful online content."
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Censorship has set sail for North America
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Censorship has been alive and well here for my entire life. Do you live in a
different North America?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Saitobricks.ca | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 11:36 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, randyf writes:
| | In Administrative, Saitobricks.ca writes:
| | In Administrative, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | In Administrative, axaday writes:
| | In Administrative, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | I'll break my silence once for this post
this should be interesting ....
considering how the EU views Hate-Speech & Digital Online Bullying & Online Digital
Content, i wonder how this will pertain to this very Forum........
|
What you say on the forum is not a product or a service for sale.
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read it all
"DSA focuses on illegal and harmful online content."
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Censorship has set sail for North America
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Censorship has been alive and well here for my entire life. Do you live in a
different North America?
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I'm talkin' Euro style ship buildin'
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Brickman4you | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 19:42 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| Most in the US are trying to move away from censorship and dissolve ourself from
the EU, Globalization and the UN, WHO, Etc. Some other smart European sovereign
nations are trying to do the same as US.
In Administrative, randyf writes:
| | In Administrative, Saitobricks.ca writes:
| | In Administrative, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | In Administrative, axaday writes:
| | In Administrative, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | I'll break my silence once for this post
this should be interesting ....
considering how the EU views Hate-Speech & Digital Online Bullying & Online Digital
Content, i wonder how this will pertain to this very Forum........
|
What you say on the forum is not a product or a service for sale.
|
read it all
"DSA focuses on illegal and harmful online content."
|
Censorship has set sail for North America
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Censorship has been alive and well here for my entire life. Do you live in a
different North America?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Nov 17, 2024 01:12 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 76 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Brickman4you writes:
| | Most in the US are trying to move away from censorship and dissolve ourself from
the EU, Globalization and the UN, WHO, Etc. Some other smart European sovereign
nations are trying to do the same as US.
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Really now? You either believe in completely free speech or you don't. And
the vast majority of people anywhere on the planet don't because most societies
have cultural limits in which things are deemed acceptable or not. For example,
many things are deemed unacceptable in society to protect children. I think most
people around the globe probably support that, but it _is_ a limit on free speech.
Basically, unless you live on your own island in the middle of the ocean without
any jurisdiction, you are not completely free and never have been.
| | In Administrative, randyf writes:
| | In Administrative, Saitobricks.ca writes:
| | In Administrative, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | In Administrative, axaday writes:
| | In Administrative, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | I'll break my silence once for this post
this should be interesting ....
considering how the EU views Hate-Speech & Digital Online Bullying & Online Digital
Content, i wonder how this will pertain to this very Forum........
|
What you say on the forum is not a product or a service for sale.
|
read it all
"DSA focuses on illegal and harmful online content."
|
Censorship has set sail for North America
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Censorship has been alive and well here for my entire life. Do you live in a
different North America?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | PlanetEarthToys | | Posted: | Nov 17, 2024 04:59 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 84 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, randyf writes:
| | In Administrative, Brickman4you writes:
| | Most in the US are trying to move away from censorship and dissolve ourself from
the EU, Globalization and the UN, WHO, Etc. Some other smart European sovereign
nations are trying to do the same as US.
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Really now? You either believe in completely free speech or you don't. And
the vast majority of people anywhere on the planet don't because most societies
have cultural limits in which things are deemed acceptable or not. For example,
many things are deemed unacceptable in society to protect children. I think most
people around the globe probably support that, but it _is_ a limit on free speech.
Basically, unless you live on your own island in the middle of the ocean without
any jurisdiction, you are not completely free and never have been.
| | In Administrative, randyf writes:
| | In Administrative, Saitobricks.ca writes:
| | In Administrative, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | In Administrative, axaday writes:
| | In Administrative, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | I'll break my silence once for this post
this should be interesting ....
considering how the EU views Hate-Speech & Digital Online Bullying & Online Digital
Content, i wonder how this will pertain to this very Forum........
|
What you say on the forum is not a product or a service for sale.
|
read it all
"DSA focuses on illegal and harmful online content."
|
Censorship has set sail for North America
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Censorship has been alive and well here for my entire life. Do you live in a
different North America?
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you seem fluent on world things...
what is Colonization?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | PlanetEarthToys | | Posted: | Nov 15, 2024 20:59 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Saitobricks.ca writes:
| | In Administrative, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | In Administrative, axaday writes:
| | In Administrative, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | I'll break my silence once for this post
this should be interesting ....
considering how the EU views Hate-Speech & Digital Online Bullying & Online Digital
Content, i wonder how this will pertain to this very Forum........
|
What you say on the forum is not a product or a service for sale.
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read it all
"DSA focuses on illegal and harmful online content."
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Censorship has set sail for North America
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let's drop a Nuke then..
what if... let's say, the Eu backlog's the BL forum back to it's
beginning & applies this new standard to .. EVERYTHING ever written
in the Forum...
did anyone display 'Harmful Online Content" from ... 2007ish-forward..???
since everything in the forum is still publicly accessible.............
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | PlanetEarthToys | | Posted: | Nov 15, 2024 21:07 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Saitobricks.ca | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 11:39 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | In Administrative, Saitobricks.ca writes:
| | In Administrative, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | In Administrative, axaday writes:
| | In Administrative, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | I'll break my silence once for this post
this should be interesting ....
considering how the EU views Hate-Speech & Digital Online Bullying & Online Digital
Content, i wonder how this will pertain to this very Forum........
|
What you say on the forum is not a product or a service for sale.
|
read it all
"DSA focuses on illegal and harmful online content."
|
Censorship has set sail for North America
|
let's drop a Nuke then..
what if... let's say, the Eu backlog's the BL forum back to it's
beginning & applies this new standard to .. EVERYTHING ever written
in the Forum...
did anyone display 'Harmful Online Content" from ... 2007ish-forward..???
since everything in the forum is still publicly accessible.............
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It's called we need to break free from the motherland, you with a revolt
and us with paper
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Nov 15, 2024 22:45 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | In Administrative, axaday writes:
| | In Administrative, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | I'll break my silence once for this post
this should be interesting ....
considering how the EU views Hate-Speech & Digital Online Bullying & Online Digital
Content, i wonder how this will pertain to this very Forum........
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What you say on the forum is not a product or a service for sale.
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read it all
"DSA focuses on illegal and harmful online content."
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The only step they are announcing is that we'll have to certify that we are
not selling goods or services that are illegal in Europe.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | cosmicray | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 10:47 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, axaday writes:
| | In Administrative, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | In Administrative, axaday writes:
| | In Administrative, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | I'll break my silence once for this post
this should be interesting ....
considering how the EU views Hate-Speech & Digital Online Bullying & Online Digital
Content, i wonder how this will pertain to this very Forum........
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What you say on the forum is not a product or a service for sale.
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read it all
"DSA focuses on illegal and harmful online content."
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The only step they are announcing is that we'll have to certify that we are
not selling goods or services that are illegal in Europe.
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Which, if I am following this correctly, would almost put The LEGO Group out
of business if we were.
Problem area No 1 ... Even if someone does not intentionally (or explicitly)
sell to the EU, we all know how freight forwarders operate. We also know how
certain payment services allow almost any address to put in the shipping fields.
Even if I do not ship outside the USA, it's possible that it might happen
against my wishes (see No 2).
Problem area No 2 ... I am aware, that a few US sellers on BL, are operating
as intermediaries for buyers elsewhere, and very likely listing some items they
do not have inventory of. One such seller placed a small number of orders with
me, every time going to a different address in a different state. I do not know
if those orders originated on BL or elsewhere on the internet. One of those addresses
appeared to be a freight forwarder in Florida. It is possible that something
out of my inventory ended up outside the USA. This happened, despite the fact
that I do not accept cross border payments. So it is entirely possible that it
ended up in the EU. I no longer accept orders from that BL seller.
My primary concern, and likely others here feel similarly, is what exposure does
this have to me with the European Union government ? Up until now they did not
know that I existed. This rule is likely going to affect every online seller,
planet wide, unless their only shipping method is local pickup.
NR
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 11:09 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, cosmicray writes:
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My primary concern, and likely others here feel similarly, is what exposure does
this have to me with the European Union government ?
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None, even if you replace “EU gouvernment” with “EU gouvernments” (which
are the ones with borders and customs & tax agencies that could be interested
in you if you exported to them).
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know that I existed. This rule is likely going to affect every online seller,
planet wide, unless their only shipping method is local pickup.
NR
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 11:22 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, cosmicray writes:
| | My primary concern, and likely others here feel similarly, is what exposure does
this have to me with the European Union government ? Up until now they did not
know that I existed. This rule is likely going to affect every online seller,
planet wide, unless their only shipping method is local pickup.
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My impression is that they will stay unaware of you. If Bricklink has to reveal
you at all, it would only be when you sold something to Europe. I think it is
just an official record-keeping that allows Bricklink to say, "Yes, all of
our sellers have self-certified". This might prevent them from having to
reveal any specifics about ANYONE.
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| | | | | | | Author: | calebfishn | | Posted: | Nov 15, 2024 20:55 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| How could anyone certify that he is complying with EU law unless he knows EU
laws. Am I going to have to hire a lawyer from France?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | coevorden01 | | Posted: | Nov 15, 2024 21:45 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, calebfishn writes:
| | How could anyone certify that he is complying with EU law unless he knows EU
laws. Am I going to have to hire a lawyer from France?
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Yes you have to . lol
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Nov 15, 2024 22:46 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, calebfishn writes:
| | How could anyone certify that he is complying with EU law unless he knows EU
laws. Am I going to have to hire a lawyer from France?
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If you are only selling LEGO Products, LEGO has already made you safe.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | watch505 | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 07:52 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 78 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| This isn't true, we had a Bricklink order seized by US Customs. They requested
safety testing data, LEGO® and Bricklink refused to provide it and refused to
even say the parts where authentic. Parts went into and incinerator.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Nov 18, 2024 06:26 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, watch505 writes:
| | This isn't true, we had a Bricklink order seized by US Customs. They requested
safety testing data, LEGO® and Bricklink refused to provide it and refused to
even say the parts where authentic. Parts went into and incinerator.
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I'm having the same problem with an order I bought from UK, it's been
3 months of emails and calls, I provided all documentation available online except
Toy Test reports that LEGO said only share directly with customs when they import
products themselves.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Nov 18, 2024 06:47 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Stellar writes:
| | In Administrative, watch505 writes:
| | This isn't true, we had a Bricklink order seized by US Customs. They requested
safety testing data, LEGO® and Bricklink refused to provide it and refused to
even say the parts where authentic. Parts went into and incinerator.
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I'm having the same problem with an order I bought from UK, it's been
3 months of emails and calls, I provided all documentation available online except
Toy Test reports that LEGO said only share directly with customs when they import
products themselves.
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I wonder whether this new deal will smooth issues like this out. If Bricklink
can attest straight across the board that all of its sellers are selling things
covered by LEGO's own documentation, they might be able to get all Bricklink
orders greenlit.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | watch505 | | Posted: | Nov 18, 2024 07:19 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| When LEGO acquired BrickLink, many of us hoped it would mean joining the LEGO
family—accepting the trade-off of compliance, taxes, and stricter rules, like
the banning of custom and chrome parts. The reality is, their corporate structure
and legal team will always keep us at arm's length.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | watch505 | | Posted: | Nov 18, 2024 07:22 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| Sorry to hear you're dealing with this as well. I ended up having to do my
own safety testing, insanity.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Nov 18, 2024 08:24 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, watch505 writes:
| | Sorry to hear you're dealing with this as well. I ended up having to do my
own safety testing, insanity.
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And do officials like those at customs believe your own safety tests?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Nov 18, 2024 08:28 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, yorbrick writes:
| | In Administrative, watch505 writes:
| | Sorry to hear you're dealing with this as well. I ended up having to do my
own safety testing, insanity.
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And do officials like those at customs believe your own safety tests?
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Sure, you just need to carve a potato to stamp your paperwork
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | watch505 | | Posted: | Nov 18, 2024 10:17 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| When I say "my own safety testing" I mean I had to pay for my own safety
testing at a CPSC-Accepted Testing Laboratory.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Nov 18, 2024 10:28 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, watch505 writes:
| | When I say "my own safety testing" I mean I had to pay for my own safety
testing at a CPSC-Accepted Testing Laboratory.
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So they are the ones who carved a potato?
More seriously: ouch 
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | cosmicray | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 10:52 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, axaday writes:
| | In Administrative, calebfishn writes:
| | How could anyone certify that he is complying with EU law unless he knows EU
laws. Am I going to have to hire a lawyer from France?
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If you are only selling LEGO Products, LEGO has already made you safe.
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In theory you are correct, the devil in the details is provenance. Unless you
irrefutably prove and document provenance you may not be safe. In the case of
upstream chain of provenance, several of my older sources (e.g. K-Mart and TRU)
have ceased doing business. The chain of provenance ends with me in those situations.
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| | | | | Author: | RebelliousBrick | | Posted: | Nov 15, 2024 21:59 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 73 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, CE_Anastasia writes:
| | Dear members,
Because LEGO BrickLink is required to comply with the EU Digital Services Act
(DSA), we are introducing seller account self-certification. The DSA requires
that all sellers must certify that they are providing products and services that
are in compliance with European Union law by February 16, 2025. This requirement
applies to all BrickLink sellers, regardless of whether they ship to the European
Union or not.
We will be sharing more details shortly. Keep an eye out for updates through
the BrickLink Team emails, the BrickLink Forum, or our DSA Help page:https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2655
The EU Digital Services Act regulates, among other things, online marketplaces
such as BrickLink. Its goal is to provide a transparent and safe online environment
by establishing a unified set of rules and regulations for illegal online content.
We appreciate your understanding.
The BrickLink Team
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How can the EU force laws on people that do not live nor sell to the EU? And
how will they actually monitor or enforce it?
As a Canadian resident I do not need to follow any European laws if I do not
sell to the EU or am I wrong?
What's next? The whole world needs to follow the European Dac7 rules?
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| | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Nov 15, 2024 22:08 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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How can the EU force laws on people that do not live nor sell to the EU? And
how will they actually monitor or enforce it?
As a Canadian resident I do not need to follow any European laws if I do not
sell to the EU or am I wrong?
What's next? The whole world needs to follow the European Dac7 rules?
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I may be incorrect (in which case someone will probably correct me soon) but
I dont think they are saying we are "legally bound" by it if we are outside
the EU. rather, those laws (at least in the eyes of bricklink, tho I have not
read them so I cannot say if they are "good" or "bad" ) are something
that a normal person should have no reason to say no to. but if they did then
bricklink would probably see that as a red flag and wouldn't want to do business
with them.
That's probably confusing so I'll try this example to help explain how
I understand it. for example, let's say 1001bricks in France becomes president.
then let's say he passes a law which says you can only sell Lego bricks if
they have never been in contact with mustard. Then Bricklink which has to make
sure sellers in France abide by those laws thinks, that's reasonable, rather
than touching the spaghetti code to target just France let's make sure everyone
agrees to this and if they dont then we would rather not have them as a seller
in which case we will not allow them to sell on the platform.
(as mentioned this is just a fictional example and any names, locations, or roles
are purely coincidental )
I know I'm probably missing something but this is how i understood it when
I first read it.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Saitobricks.ca | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 11:44 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Nubs_Select writes:
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How can the EU force laws on people that do not live nor sell to the EU? And
how will they actually monitor or enforce it?
As a Canadian resident I do not need to follow any European laws if I do not
sell to the EU or am I wrong?
What's next? The whole world needs to follow the European Dac7 rules?
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I may be incorrect (in which case someone will probably correct me soon) but
I dont think they are saying we are "legally bound" by it if we are outside
the EU. rather, those laws (at least in the eyes of bricklink, tho I have not
read them so I cannot say if they are "good" or "bad" ) are something
that a normal person should have no reason to say no to. but if they did then
bricklink would probably see that as a red flag and wouldn't want to do business
with them.
That's probably confusing so I'll try this example to help explain how
I understand it. for example, let's say 1001bricks in France becomes president.
then let's say he passes a law which says you can only sell Lego bricks if
they have never been in contact with mustard. Then Bricklink which has to make
sure sellers in France abide by those laws thinks, that's reasonable, rather
than touching the spaghetti code to target just France let's make sure everyone
agrees to this and if they dont then we would rather not have them as a seller
in which case we will not allow them to sell on the platform.
(as mentioned this is just a fictional example and any names, locations, or roles
are purely coincidental )
I know I'm probably missing something but this is how i understood it when
I first read it.
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I'm also having a hard time understanding this, but if BL did something like
eBay with seprate website for each country then they wouldn't have to comply.
I think.
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| | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Nov 15, 2024 22:51 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, RebelliousBrick writes:
| | In Administrative, CE_Anastasia writes:
| | Dear members,
Because LEGO BrickLink is required to comply with the EU Digital Services Act
(DSA), we are introducing seller account self-certification. The DSA requires
that all sellers must certify that they are providing products and services that
are in compliance with European Union law by February 16, 2025. This requirement
applies to all BrickLink sellers, regardless of whether they ship to the European
Union or not.
We will be sharing more details shortly. Keep an eye out for updates through
the BrickLink Team emails, the BrickLink Forum, or our DSA Help page:https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2655
The EU Digital Services Act regulates, among other things, online marketplaces
such as BrickLink. Its goal is to provide a transparent and safe online environment
by establishing a unified set of rules and regulations for illegal online content.
We appreciate your understanding.
The BrickLink Team
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How can the EU force laws on people that do not live nor sell to the EU? And
how will they actually monitor or enforce it?
As a Canadian resident I do not need to follow any European laws if I do not
sell to the EU or am I wrong?
What's next? The whole world needs to follow the European Dac7 rules?
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The law doesn't apply to you. It applies to Bricklink, who does business
in the EU. In order for THEM to be in compliance, they are requiring all their
sellers to certify. It will be a checkbox and the rules that you can only sell
LEGO products is going to have you covered.
Bricklink could probably have set a smaller policy, but it is probably simplest
for them to connect it to selling. I mainly only sell to USA and Canada, but
I have shipping methods for international shipping that I sometimes open up for
a customer. That's how easy it is for someone who doesn't sell to the
EU to suddenly sell to the EU. Instead of coding up something to watch or bar
that, they are taking care of all registered sellers at once and making it a
part of becoming a seller going forward.
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| | | | | Author: | ExplodingFruit | | Posted: | Nov 15, 2024 22:03 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| | | | | Author: | LordSkylark | | Posted: | Nov 15, 2024 22:06 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 70 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, CE_Anastasia writes:
| | Dear members,
Because LEGO BrickLink is required to comply with the EU Digital Services Act
(DSA), we are introducing seller account self-certification. The DSA requires
that all sellers must certify that they are providing products and services that
are in compliance with European Union law by February 16, 2025. This requirement
applies to all BrickLink sellers, regardless of whether they ship to the European
Union or not.
We will be sharing more details shortly. Keep an eye out for updates through
the BrickLink Team emails, the BrickLink Forum, or our DSA Help page:https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2655
The EU Digital Services Act regulates, among other things, online marketplaces
such as BrickLink. Its goal is to provide a transparent and safe online environment
by establishing a unified set of rules and regulations for illegal online content.
We appreciate your understanding.
The BrickLink Team
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One question I don't see answered anywhere is... How do I determine if the
products and services I am selling are in compliance with European Union law
by February 16, 2025? I can't find this information at any of the links prodvided
in the email or in this post.
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| | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Nov 15, 2024 22:53 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, LordSkylark writes:
| | In Administrative, CE_Anastasia writes:
| | Dear members,
Because LEGO BrickLink is required to comply with the EU Digital Services Act
(DSA), we are introducing seller account self-certification. The DSA requires
that all sellers must certify that they are providing products and services that
are in compliance with European Union law by February 16, 2025. This requirement
applies to all BrickLink sellers, regardless of whether they ship to the European
Union or not.
We will be sharing more details shortly. Keep an eye out for updates through
the BrickLink Team emails, the BrickLink Forum, or our DSA Help page:https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2655
The EU Digital Services Act regulates, among other things, online marketplaces
such as BrickLink. Its goal is to provide a transparent and safe online environment
by establishing a unified set of rules and regulations for illegal online content.
We appreciate your understanding.
The BrickLink Team
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One question I don't see answered anywhere is... How do I determine if the
products and services I am selling are in compliance with European Union law
by February 16, 2025? I can't find this information at any of the links prodvided
in the email or in this post.
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LEGO sells their stuff in the EU. If you are selling only LEGO products, LEGO
is making sure for you.
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| | | | | Author: | ScubaSteve | | Posted: | Nov 15, 2024 22:11 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, CE_Anastasia writes:
| | Dear members,
Because LEGO BrickLink is required to comply with the EU Digital Services Act
(DSA), we are introducing seller account self-certification. The DSA requires
that all sellers must certify that they are providing products and services that
are in compliance with European Union law by February 16, 2025. This requirement
applies to all BrickLink sellers, regardless of whether they ship to the European
Union or not.
We will be sharing more details shortly. Keep an eye out for updates through
the BrickLink Team emails, the BrickLink Forum, or our DSA Help page:https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2655
The EU Digital Services Act regulates, among other things, online marketplaces
such as BrickLink. Its goal is to provide a transparent and safe online environment
by establishing a unified set of rules and regulations for illegal online content.
We appreciate your understanding.
The BrickLink Team
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Ok so if the EU is focusing on offensive or harmful content..... I promise to
never display a photo of my face and I should be good moving forward.
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| | | | | Author: | Zor | | Posted: | Nov 15, 2024 22:18 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| Does this mean invoices are no longer obligated to purchase. As EU law doesn't
require obligation until actual cost is shown to the customer
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| | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Nov 15, 2024 22:54 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Zor writes:
| | Does this mean invoices are no longer obligated to purchase. As EU law doesn't
require obligation until actual cost is shown to the customer
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No. This doesn't imply that you've switched over to EU law. This is
one isolated policy.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Zor | | Posted: | Nov 15, 2024 23:02 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, axaday writes:
| | In Administrative, Zor writes:
| | Does this mean invoices are no longer obligated to purchase. As EU law doesn't
require obligation until actual cost is shown to the customer
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No. This doesn't imply that you've switched over to EU law. This is
one isolated policy.
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It states products and services in compliance to EU law. It doesn't sound
like one policy.
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| In Administrative, Zor writes:
| | In Administrative, axaday writes:
| | In Administrative, Zor writes:
| | Does this mean invoices are no longer obligated to purchase. As EU law doesn't
require obligation until actual cost is shown to the customer
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No. This doesn't imply that you've switched over to EU law. This is
one isolated policy.
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It states products and services in compliance to EU law. It doesn't sound
like one policy.
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It is one Bricklink policy that all users will have to check a box saying that
they will not sell anything to the EU that is illegal in the EU. The EU has
not gained jurisdiction over you. The EU already had jurisdiction over Bricklink
and made a new law that Bricklink has to comply with to continue business in
the EU. You may recall that recently China made a new law and Bricklink decided
complying would be too difficult so they shut down business in China. But this
one they've decided they can comply with and his is how they will do it.
It doesn't imply that any EU law applies to you.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Zor | | Posted: | Nov 15, 2024 23:13 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, axaday writes:
| | In Administrative, Zor writes:
| | In Administrative, axaday writes:
| | In Administrative, Zor writes:
| | Does this mean invoices are no longer obligated to purchase. As EU law doesn't
require obligation until actual cost is shown to the customer
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No. This doesn't imply that you've switched over to EU law. This is
one isolated policy.
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It states products and services in compliance to EU law. It doesn't sound
like one policy.
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It is one Bricklink policy that all users will have to check a box saying that
they will not sell anything to the EU that is illegal in the EU. The EU has
not gained jurisdiction over you. The EU already had jurisdiction over Bricklink
and made a new law that Bricklink has to comply with to continue business in
the EU. You may recall that recently China made a new law and Bricklink decided
complying would be too difficult so they shut down business in China. But this
one they've decided they can comply with and his is how they will do it.
It doesn't imply that any EU law applies to you.
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What is the relevance of the Regulation of intermediaries at global level?
The DSA is an important step in defending European values in the online space.
It respects international human rights norms, and helps better protect democracy,
equality and the rule of law.
The DSA sets high standards for effective intervention, for due process and the
protection of fundamental rights online; it preserves a balanced approach to
the liability of intermediaries, and establishes effective measures for tackling
illegal content and societal risks online. In doing so, the DSA aims at setting
a benchmark for a regulatory approach to online intermediaries also at the global
level.
Do these rules apply to companies outside of the EU?
They apply in the EU single market, without discrimination, including to those
online intermediaries established outside of the European Union that offer their
services in the single market. When not established in the EU, they have to appoint
a legal representative, as many companies already do as part of their obligations
in other legal instruments. At the same time, online intermediaries also benefit
from the legal clarity of the liability exemptions and from a single set of rules
when providing their services in the EU.
https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/qanda_20_2348
Looks alot more complicated then that
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Nov 15, 2024 23:27 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Zor writes:
Why are you reading the EU law? They don't have jurisdiction over you.
Read the Bricklink policy. That's what applies to you.
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2655
"What is the Digital Services Act (DSA)?
EU Digital Services Act is a law aimed at creating a safe online environment
across online platforms, such as BrickLink. More specifically, DSA focuses on
illegal and harmful online content. A required step we are taking is enabling
self-certification for BrickLink sellers. The DSA requires that all sellers must
certify that they are providing products and services that are in compliance
with European Union law by February 16, 2025.
What does the self-certification procedure look like?
Sellers must select the checkbox that confirms that they commit to only offer
products and/or services that comply with the applicable rules of European Union
law. No further action is required after that.
If I am not selling to the EU, can I opt out of the DSA self-certification requirement?
No. DSA seller self-certification is required for all sellers. Even though many
of our transactions fall out of the regional scope for DSA, we are committed
to keeping our community safe on a global scale.
This means that all sellers must self-certify if they wish to continue selling
on BrickLink.
I’m a buyer, not a seller. How does DSA affect my account or BrickLink user privileges?
As a buyer you do not need to complete any type of self-certification. However,
if you decide to upgrade to a seller account, you will have to self-certify then.
We will explain this in more detail in our coming updates.
What happens if I have not self-certified my store by February 16, 2025?
If you do not self-certify by February 16, 2025, your store will be suspended.
You will be able to re-open your store if you choose to self-certify at any point
after that. The self-certification requirement applies to all sellers who wish
to continue selling on BrickLink.
When will this change be introduced?
The change is coming into effect shortly. We will notify all members as soon
as it happens."
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Zor | | Posted: | Nov 15, 2024 23:33 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, axaday writes:
| | In Administrative, Zor writes:
Why are you reading the EU law? They don't have jurisdiction over you.
Read the Bricklink policy. That's what applies to you.
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2655
"What is the Digital Services Act (DSA)?
EU Digital Services Act is a law aimed at creating a safe online environment
across online platforms, such as BrickLink. More specifically, DSA focuses on
illegal and harmful online content. A required step we are taking is enabling
self-certification for BrickLink sellers. The DSA requires that all sellers must
certify that they are providing products and services that are in compliance
with European Union law by February 16, 2025.
What does the self-certification procedure look like?
Sellers must select the checkbox that confirms that they commit to only offer
products and/or services that comply with the applicable rules of European Union
law. No further action is required after that.
If I am not selling to the EU, can I opt out of the DSA self-certification requirement?
No. DSA seller self-certification is required for all sellers. Even though many
of our transactions fall out of the regional scope for DSA, we are committed
to keeping our community safe on a global scale.
This means that all sellers must self-certify if they wish to continue selling
on BrickLink.
I’m a buyer, not a seller. How does DSA affect my account or BrickLink user privileges?
As a buyer you do not need to complete any type of self-certification. However,
if you decide to upgrade to a seller account, you will have to self-certify then.
We will explain this in more detail in our coming updates.
What happens if I have not self-certified my store by February 16, 2025?
If you do not self-certify by February 16, 2025, your store will be suspended.
You will be able to re-open your store if you choose to self-certify at any point
after that. The self-certification requirement applies to all sellers who wish
to continue selling on BrickLink.
When will this change be introduced?
The change is coming into effect shortly. We will notify all members as soon
as it happens."
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It says the same exact thing, it says services, this implies laws. The EU has
very strong protections for consumers. Do you represent bricklink legal services
or a lawyer for bricklink?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 07:49 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Zor writes:
| | It says the same exact thing, it says services, this implies laws. The EU has
very strong protections for consumers. Do you represent bricklink legal services
or a lawyer for bricklink?
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No, I don't.
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| | | | | Author: | BrickDeals | | Posted: | Nov 15, 2024 22:43 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 81 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, CE_Anastasia writes:
| | Dear members,
Because LEGO BrickLink is required to comply with the EU Digital Services Act
(DSA), we are introducing seller account self-certification. The DSA requires
that all sellers must certify that they are providing products and services that
are in compliance with European Union law by February 16, 2025. This requirement
applies to all BrickLink sellers, regardless of whether they ship to the European
Union or not.
We will be sharing more details shortly. Keep an eye out for updates through
the BrickLink Team emails, the BrickLink Forum, or our DSA Help page:https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2655
The EU Digital Services Act regulates, among other things, online marketplaces
such as BrickLink. Its goal is to provide a transparent and safe online environment
by establishing a unified set of rules and regulations for illegal online content.
We appreciate your understanding.
The BrickLink Team
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That a US seller only selling goods and services to US buyers would have to comply
with the EU Digital Services Act is absurd.
A much better way would be to allow US sellers to opt out if they are not engaged
in international sales.
The DSA covers a whole can of worms, including issues like hate speech, which
contradict fundamental rights that US citizens have such as freedom of speech.
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| | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Nov 15, 2024 22:55 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, BrickDeals writes:
| | The DSA covers a whole can of worms, including issues like hate speech, which
contradict fundamental rights that US citizens have such as freedom of speech.
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They are only announcing one thing they will require of all their sellers in
order for Bricklink itself to comply with EU law. That one thing does not involve
hate speech or worms, except kraata.
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| | | | | | | Author: | RebelliousBrick | | Posted: | Nov 15, 2024 23:06 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, BrickDeals writes:
| | In Administrative, CE_Anastasia writes:
| | Dear members,
Because LEGO BrickLink is required to comply with the EU Digital Services Act
(DSA), we are introducing seller account self-certification. The DSA requires
that all sellers must certify that they are providing products and services that
are in compliance with European Union law by February 16, 2025. This requirement
applies to all BrickLink sellers, regardless of whether they ship to the European
Union or not.
We will be sharing more details shortly. Keep an eye out for updates through
the BrickLink Team emails, the BrickLink Forum, or our DSA Help page:https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2655
The EU Digital Services Act regulates, among other things, online marketplaces
such as BrickLink. Its goal is to provide a transparent and safe online environment
by establishing a unified set of rules and regulations for illegal online content.
We appreciate your understanding.
The BrickLink Team
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That a US seller only selling goods and services to US buyers would have to comply
with the EU Digital Services Act is absurd.
A much better way would be to allow US sellers to opt out if they are not engaged
in international sales.
The DSA covers a whole can of worms, including issues like hate speech, which
contradict fundamental rights that US citizens have such as freedom of speech.
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freedom of speech and hate speech are 2 very different things...
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Saitobricks.ca | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 11:58 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, RebelliousBrick writes:
| | In Administrative, BrickDeals writes:
| | In Administrative, CE_Anastasia writes:
| | Dear members,
Because LEGO BrickLink is required to comply with the EU Digital Services Act
(DSA), we are introducing seller account self-certification. The DSA requires
that all sellers must certify that they are providing products and services that
are in compliance with European Union law by February 16, 2025. This requirement
applies to all BrickLink sellers, regardless of whether they ship to the European
Union or not.
We will be sharing more details shortly. Keep an eye out for updates through
the BrickLink Team emails, the BrickLink Forum, or our DSA Help page:https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2655
The EU Digital Services Act regulates, among other things, online marketplaces
such as BrickLink. Its goal is to provide a transparent and safe online environment
by establishing a unified set of rules and regulations for illegal online content.
We appreciate your understanding.
The BrickLink Team
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That a US seller only selling goods and services to US buyers would have to comply
with the EU Digital Services Act is absurd.
A much better way would be to allow US sellers to opt out if they are not engaged
in international sales.
The DSA covers a whole can of worms, including issues like hate speech, which
contradict fundamental rights that US citizens have such as freedom of speech.
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freedom of speech and hate speech are 2 very different things...
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True, but some people like to label truth as hate....
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| | | | | | | Author: | ScubaSteve | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 01:37 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, BrickDeals writes:
| | In Administrative, CE_Anastasia writes:
| | Dear members,
Because LEGO BrickLink is required to comply with the EU Digital Services Act
(DSA), we are introducing seller account self-certification. The DSA requires
that all sellers must certify that they are providing products and services that
are in compliance with European Union law by February 16, 2025. This requirement
applies to all BrickLink sellers, regardless of whether they ship to the European
Union or not.
We will be sharing more details shortly. Keep an eye out for updates through
the BrickLink Team emails, the BrickLink Forum, or our DSA Help page:https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2655
The EU Digital Services Act regulates, among other things, online marketplaces
such as BrickLink. Its goal is to provide a transparent and safe online environment
by establishing a unified set of rules and regulations for illegal online content.
We appreciate your understanding.
The BrickLink Team
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That a US seller only selling goods and services to US buyers would have to comply
with the EU Digital Services Act is absurd.
A much better way would be to allow US sellers to opt out if they are not engaged
in international sales.
The DSA covers a whole can of worms, including issues like hate speech, which
contradict fundamental rights that US citizens have such as freedom of speech.
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That's not true. Various platforms have a ToS, that may be facebook, snap,
instagram, we all know that list is endless. They all refuse to allow hate speech
and so forth, those freedoms you refer to are confined to the USA. I have a similar
Bill of Rights.
The reasons all these platforms have to comply this way is a basis set in international
law called "treatment". Never forget there is no obligation for you to
remain on Bricklink, did you pay annuals fees? Nope I didn't either. So you
have made the conscious choice to be a part of Bricklink and therefore should
comply with the privileges Bricklink has provided you.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Saitobricks.ca | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 11:52 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, BrickDeals writes:
| | In Administrative, CE_Anastasia writes:
| | Dear members,
Because LEGO BrickLink is required to comply with the EU Digital Services Act
(DSA), we are introducing seller account self-certification. The DSA requires
that all sellers must certify that they are providing products and services that
are in compliance with European Union law by February 16, 2025. This requirement
applies to all BrickLink sellers, regardless of whether they ship to the European
Union or not.
We will be sharing more details shortly. Keep an eye out for updates through
the BrickLink Team emails, the BrickLink Forum, or our DSA Help page:https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2655
The EU Digital Services Act regulates, among other things, online marketplaces
such as BrickLink. Its goal is to provide a transparent and safe online environment
by establishing a unified set of rules and regulations for illegal online content.
We appreciate your understanding.
The BrickLink Team
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That a US seller only selling goods and services to US buyers would have to comply
with the EU Digital Services Act is absurd.
A much better way would be to allow US sellers to opt out if they are not engaged
in international sales.
The DSA covers a whole can of worms, including issues like hate speech, which
contradict fundamental rights that US citizens have such as freedom of speech.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Brickman4you | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 19:55 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| | That a US seller only selling goods and services to US buyers would have to comply
with the EU Digital Services Act is absurd.
A much better way would be to allow US sellers to opt out if they are not engaged
in international sales.
The DSA covers a whole can of worms, including issues like hate speech, which
contradict fundamental rights that US citizens have such as freedom of speech.
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| | | | | Author: | Retrofire | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 00:13 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 82 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, CE_Anastasia writes:
| | Dear members,
Because LEGO BrickLink is required to comply with the EU Digital Services Act
(DSA), we are introducing seller account self-certification. The DSA requires
that all sellers must certify that they are providing products and services that
are in compliance with European Union law by February 16, 2025. This requirement
applies to all BrickLink sellers, regardless of whether they ship to the European
Union or not.
We will be sharing more details shortly. Keep an eye out for updates through
the BrickLink Team emails, the BrickLink Forum, or our DSA Help page:https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2655
The EU Digital Services Act regulates, among other things, online marketplaces
such as BrickLink. Its goal is to provide a transparent and safe online environment
by establishing a unified set of rules and regulations for illegal online content.
We appreciate your understanding.
The BrickLink Team
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The EU tramples on peoples rights and freedom of speech regularly so how can
they be taken seriously? Glad I live in North America. To think that BL can force
this on ALL sellers whether they ship to the EU or not is a violation of peoples
fundamental rights granted by their individual countries. This is a serious mistake
on the part of BL to force on all. I get that LEGO is HQ'd in an EU country
but shame on them for forcing it on all.
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| | | | | | | Author: | ScubaSteve | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 01:28 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Retrofire writes:
| | In Administrative, CE_Anastasia writes:
| | Dear members,
Because LEGO BrickLink is required to comply with the EU Digital Services Act
(DSA), we are introducing seller account self-certification. The DSA requires
that all sellers must certify that they are providing products and services that
are in compliance with European Union law by February 16, 2025. This requirement
applies to all BrickLink sellers, regardless of whether they ship to the European
Union or not.
We will be sharing more details shortly. Keep an eye out for updates through
the BrickLink Team emails, the BrickLink Forum, or our DSA Help page:https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2655
The EU Digital Services Act regulates, among other things, online marketplaces
such as BrickLink. Its goal is to provide a transparent and safe online environment
by establishing a unified set of rules and regulations for illegal online content.
We appreciate your understanding.
The BrickLink Team
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The EU tramples on peoples rights and freedom of speech regularly so how can
they be taken seriously? Glad I live in North America. To think that BL can force
this on ALL sellers whether they ship to the EU or not is a violation of peoples
fundamental rights granted by their individual countries. This is a serious mistake
on the part of BL to force on all. I get that LEGO is HQ'd in an EU country
but shame on them for forcing it on all.
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Yes but no! Being a part of Bricklink is a privilege not a right. So nothing
is getting "trampled" on is it.
The fact we pays fees is irrelevant, because we are compensating BL retrospectively
to a sale, you dont pay as a buyer and there are not "annual fees" etc.
Fundamental rights are based on a legal premise of "treatment". BL does
not force you to be in the group, so the treatment element is not engaged.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Retrofire | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 03:06 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | ScubaSteve | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 03:21 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Retrofire writes:
| | In Administrative, ScubaSteve writes:
| | In Administrative, Retrofire writes:
| | In Administrative, CE_Anastasia writes:
| | Dear members,
Because LEGO BrickLink is required to comply with the EU Digital Services Act
(DSA), we are introducing seller account self-certification. The DSA requires
that all sellers must certify that they are providing products and services that
are in compliance with European Union law by February 16, 2025. This requirement
applies to all BrickLink sellers, regardless of whether they ship to the European
Union or not.
We will be sharing more details shortly. Keep an eye out for updates through
the BrickLink Team emails, the BrickLink Forum, or our DSA Help page:https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2655
The EU Digital Services Act regulates, among other things, online marketplaces
such as BrickLink. Its goal is to provide a transparent and safe online environment
by establishing a unified set of rules and regulations for illegal online content.
We appreciate your understanding.
The BrickLink Team
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The EU tramples on peoples rights and freedom of speech regularly so how can
they be taken seriously? Glad I live in North America. To think that BL can force
this on ALL sellers whether they ship to the EU or not is a violation of peoples
fundamental rights granted by their individual countries. This is a serious mistake
on the part of BL to force on all. I get that LEGO is HQ'd in an EU country
but shame on them for forcing it on all.
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Yes but no! Being a part of Bricklink is a privilege not a right. So nothing
is getting "trampled" on is it.
The fact we pays fees is irrelevant, because we are compensating BL retrospectively
to a sale, you dont pay as a buyer and there are not "annual fees" etc.
Fundamental rights are based on a legal premise of "treatment". BL does
not force you to be in the group, so the treatment element is not engaged.
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I think you miss the point. It doesn't matter that I'm a buyer. It's
a fact that BL forces EU requirements on the whole of the BL users. I respect
your views but I disagree with the premise that the EU can enforce their view/laws
on those outside of the EU. BL is not a privilege it's a business I never
considered it as a right.
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I never said I agreed with it either. but there are 2 pertinent questions here
(1) who is Bricklink, it is an operating subsidiary of TLG (2)Where is the TLG
located. Nothing more needs to be said.
Owning a business is a right I agree. Using a platform to promote that business
like Bricklink is a privilege not a right. You chose the marketing platform it
did not choose you.
I am sure that Bricklink and Anatasia did not take these views lightly and we
must not consider the administrator you know as Anatasia as some desk monkey.
She has over a decades experience in several countries in regards sales/markets/digital
creation/licensing and negotiations.
But the fact remains if we don't sign it then we can't operate. Nothing
more needs to be said and it will have nil effect on us anyways. I am just going
to ban shipping to the entirety of europe from my store.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 04:07 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| | | But the fact remains if we don't sign it then we can't operate. Nothing
more needs to be said and it will have nil effect on us anyways. I am just going
to ban shipping to the entirety of europe from my store.
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Why would you ban the whole of Europe over an EU matter? That is like banning
the whole of North America over something due to the United States of Amerca.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 04:13 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, yorbrick writes:
| | | | But the fact remains if we don't sign it then we can't operate. Nothing
more needs to be said and it will have nil effect on us anyways. I am just going
to ban shipping to the entirety of europe from my store.
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Why would you ban the whole of Europe over an EU matter? That is like banning
the whole of North America over something due to the United States of Amerca.
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And that doesn’t change anything on BL: you’ll still need to tick the box….
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 04:20 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Administrative, yorbrick writes:
| | | | But the fact remains if we don't sign it then we can't operate. Nothing
more needs to be said and it will have nil effect on us anyways. I am just going
to ban shipping to the entirety of europe from my store.
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Why would you ban the whole of Europe over an EU matter? That is like banning
the whole of North America over something due to the United States of Amerca.
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And that doesn’t change anything on BL: you’ll still need to tick the box….
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Indeed. But maybe this could have been handled better. The BL policy could have
been that you have to tick a box saying you only sell genuine LEGO items. With
a second sentence that, if applicable to the seller, by ticking this box this
complies with EU blah blah blah that few people bother to read. Of course that
might mean self designed instructions cannot be sold as they are not genuine
LEGO.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 04:52 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 75 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, yorbrick writes:
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Indeed. But maybe this could have been handled better. The BL policy could have
been that you have to tick a box saying you only sell genuine LEGO items. With
a second sentence that, if applicable to the seller, by ticking this box this
complies with EU blah blah blah that few people bother to read. Of course that
might mean self designed instructions cannot be sold as they are not genuine
LEGO.
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Well, we don’t know yet what the checkbox will say. But, sure, BL chose to say
“EU blah blah,” and that always trigger some epidermic reactions 🤷♂️
OTOH, if they didn’t say “DSA” somewhere, some would have dug it out and whined
even more….
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Saitobricks.ca | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 12:07 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Administrative, yorbrick writes:
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Indeed. But maybe this could have been handled better. The BL policy could have
been that you have to tick a box saying you only sell genuine LEGO items. With
a second sentence that, if applicable to the seller, by ticking this box this
complies with EU blah blah blah that few people bother to read. Of course that
might mean self designed instructions cannot be sold as they are not genuine
LEGO.
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Well, we don’t know yet what the checkbox will say. But, sure, BL chose to say
“EU blah blah,” and that always trigger some epidermic reactions
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I happen to be highly allergic to EU blather, makes me angry
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | calebfishn | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 15:53 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Administrative, yorbrick writes:
| | | | But the fact remains if we don't sign it then we can't operate. Nothing
more needs to be said and it will have nil effect on us anyways. I am just going
to ban shipping to the entirety of europe from my store.
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Why would you ban the whole of Europe over an EU matter? That is like banning
the whole of North America over something due to the United States of Amerca.
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And that doesn’t change anything on BL: you’ll still need to tick the box….
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But where is the box I have to tick?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 15:55 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, calebfishn writes:
| | In Administrative, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Administrative, yorbrick writes:
| | | | But the fact remains if we don't sign it then we can't operate. Nothing
more needs to be said and it will have nil effect on us anyways. I am just going
to ban shipping to the entirety of europe from my store.
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Why would you ban the whole of Europe over an EU matter? That is like banning
the whole of North America over something due to the United States of Amerca.
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And that doesn’t change anything on BL: you’ll still need to tick the box….
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But where is the box I have to tick?
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Read the message.
When will this change be introduced?
We will be sharing more details shortly. Keep an eye out for updates through
our emails, the BrickLink Forum...
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | calebfishn | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 15:55 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 69 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, ScubaSteve writes:
| | In Administrative, Retrofire writes:
| | In Administrative, CE_Anastasia writes:
| | Dear members,
Because LEGO BrickLink is required to comply with the EU Digital Services Act
(DSA), we are introducing seller account self-certification. The DSA requires
that all sellers must certify that they are providing products and services that
are in compliance with European Union law by February 16, 2025. This requirement
applies to all BrickLink sellers, regardless of whether they ship to the European
Union or not.
We will be sharing more details shortly. Keep an eye out for updates through
the BrickLink Team emails, the BrickLink Forum, or our DSA Help page:https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2655
The EU Digital Services Act regulates, among other things, online marketplaces
such as BrickLink. Its goal is to provide a transparent and safe online environment
by establishing a unified set of rules and regulations for illegal online content.
We appreciate your understanding.
The BrickLink Team
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The EU tramples on peoples rights and freedom of speech regularly so how can
they be taken seriously? Glad I live in North America. To think that BL can force
this on ALL sellers whether they ship to the EU or not is a violation of peoples
fundamental rights granted by their individual countries. This is a serious mistake
on the part of BL to force on all. I get that LEGO is HQ'd in an EU country
but shame on them for forcing it on all.
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Yes but no! Being a part of Bricklink is a privilege not a right. So nothing
is getting "trampled" on is it.
The fact we pays fees is irrelevant, because we are compensating BL retrospectively
to a sale, you dont pay as a buyer and there are not "annual fees" etc.
Fundamental rights are based on a legal premise of "treatment". BL does
not force you to be in the group, so the treatment element is not engaged.
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It is a fundamental right not to be subject to the laws of another country if
you have nothing to do with that country.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 15:57 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 90 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, calebfishn writes:
| | In Administrative, ScubaSteve writes:
| | In Administrative, Retrofire writes:
| | In Administrative, CE_Anastasia writes:
| | Dear members,
Because LEGO BrickLink is required to comply with the EU Digital Services Act
(DSA), we are introducing seller account self-certification. The DSA requires
that all sellers must certify that they are providing products and services that
are in compliance with European Union law by February 16, 2025. This requirement
applies to all BrickLink sellers, regardless of whether they ship to the European
Union or not.
We will be sharing more details shortly. Keep an eye out for updates through
the BrickLink Team emails, the BrickLink Forum, or our DSA Help page:https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2655
The EU Digital Services Act regulates, among other things, online marketplaces
such as BrickLink. Its goal is to provide a transparent and safe online environment
by establishing a unified set of rules and regulations for illegal online content.
We appreciate your understanding.
The BrickLink Team
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The EU tramples on peoples rights and freedom of speech regularly so how can
they be taken seriously? Glad I live in North America. To think that BL can force
this on ALL sellers whether they ship to the EU or not is a violation of peoples
fundamental rights granted by their individual countries. This is a serious mistake
on the part of BL to force on all. I get that LEGO is HQ'd in an EU country
but shame on them for forcing it on all.
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Yes but no! Being a part of Bricklink is a privilege not a right. So nothing
is getting "trampled" on is it.
The fact we pays fees is irrelevant, because we are compensating BL retrospectively
to a sale, you dont pay as a buyer and there are not "annual fees" etc.
Fundamental rights are based on a legal premise of "treatment". BL does
not force you to be in the group, so the treatment element is not engaged.
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It is a fundamental right not to be subject to the laws of another country if
you have nothing to do with that country.
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I tried a decoding here:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1494558
HTH?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | calebfishn | | Posted: | Nov 17, 2024 21:34 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| "The DSA requires that all sellers must certify that they are providing
products and services that are in compliance with European Union law"
Does anyone have this quote from the DSA? Does the DSA in fact require that
a platform such as Bricklink require each individual seller to certify? Or, is
the individual certification something Bricklink is introducing in order to meet
their obligations under the DSA?
If Lego, and Lego products are acceptable under the DSA, then why isn't the
Bricklink TOS, that requires that sellers only sell genuine Lego and Lego products
enough?
I am happy to comply with Bricklink TOS, however, I am not happy that people
in Europe have decided to create such a useless bureaucratic leviathan, that
not content to oppress its own people, now tries to extend its tentacles to other
parts of the world that are still free.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Nov 17, 2024 22:10 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 79 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, calebfishn writes:
| | "The DSA requires that all sellers must certify that they are providing
products and services that are in compliance with European Union law"
Does anyone have this quote from the DSA? Does the DSA in fact require that
a platform such as Bricklink require each individual seller to certify? Or, is
the individual certification something Bricklink is introducing in order to meet
their obligations under the DSA?
If Lego, and Lego products are acceptable under the DSA, then why isn't the
Bricklink TOS, that requires that sellers only sell genuine Lego and Lego products
enough?
I am happy to comply with Bricklink TOS, however, I am not happy that people
in Europe have decided to create such a useless bureaucratic leviathan, that
not content to oppress its own people, now tries to extend its tentacles to other
parts of the world that are still free.
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You do follow your countries laws, no? I am guessing that you probably do, since
most people that I have met in the LEGO world seem like good people who follow
laws. I don't like the idea of this stuff either, but Canada isn't an
anarchy. You may be _freer_ in your little niche of the planet than some other
parts, but you aren't "free" in the true definition of the word.
I would guess that a vast majority of the people on the planet are under the
control of some institution or another, so talking in absolutes is not helpful
in arguments.
Having said all of that, there are definitely other ways that this could have
been handled. I wonder how much feedback was collected around this and how it
would change the demographics of the userbase here. We already lost the Chinese
LEGO community, so how much of the community will be lost because of this?
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Saitobricks.ca | | Posted: | Nov 18, 2024 12:16 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, randyf writes:
| | In Administrative, calebfishn writes:
| | "The DSA requires that all sellers must certify that they are providing
products and services that are in compliance with European Union law"
Does anyone have this quote from the DSA? Does the DSA in fact require that
a platform such as Bricklink require each individual seller to certify? Or, is
the individual certification something Bricklink is introducing in order to meet
their obligations under the DSA?
If Lego, and Lego products are acceptable under the DSA, then why isn't the
Bricklink TOS, that requires that sellers only sell genuine Lego and Lego products
enough?
I am happy to comply with Bricklink TOS, however, I am not happy that people
in Europe have decided to create such a useless bureaucratic leviathan, that
not content to oppress its own people, now tries to extend its tentacles to other
parts of the world that are still free.
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You do follow your countries laws, no? I am guessing that you probably do, since
most people that I have met in the LEGO world seem like good people who follow
laws. I don't like the idea of this stuff either, but Canada isn't an
anarchy. You may be _freer_ in your little niche of the planet than some other
parts, but you aren't "free" in the true definition of the word.
I would guess that a vast majority of the people on the planet are under the
control of some institution or another, so talking in absolutes is not helpful
in arguments.
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I'm sorry, I can't hear you over my free health care, tax free reservations
with free housing, sale tax rebates, and free money.
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Having said all of that, there are definitely other ways that this could have
been handled. I wonder how much feedback was collected around this and how it
would change the demographics of the userbase here. We already lost the Chinese
LEGO community, so how much of the community will be lost because of this?
Cheers,
Randy
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Sadly I fear, this will be a source of division, even tho all we are doing is
clicking a box that says IF we do sell to the EU we will obay their rules, and
it effects us in NO way.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | PlanetEarthToys | | Posted: | Nov 18, 2024 13:14 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Saitobricks.ca writes:
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Sadly I fear, this will be a source of division, even tho all we are doing is
clicking a box that says IF we do sell to the EU we will obay their rules, and
it effects us in NO way.
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we recently had an order going to this USA Address:
FPO
AE 09627
USA
(a US Navy Base somewhere)
it just departed Rome Italy, enroute to the address, according to tracking.
so regardless of if your shipment is addressed USA (or your own home country),
this is an example of how you can get tangled up in 'foreign affairs'.
we do not ship to Europe nor anywhere International period, yet apparently, our
package is going through the EU systems via USPS.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Saitobricks.ca | | Posted: | Nov 18, 2024 13:23 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | In Administrative, Saitobricks.ca writes:
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Sadly I fear, this will be a source of division, even tho all we are doing is
clicking a box that says IF we do sell to the EU we will obay their rules, and
it effects us in NO way.
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we recently had an order going to this USA Address:
FPO
AE 09627
USA
(a US Navy Base somewhere)
it just departed Rome Italy, enroute to the address, according to tracking.
so regardless of if your shipment is addressed USA (or your own home country),
this is an example of how you can get tangled up in 'foreign affairs'.
we do not ship to Europe nor anywhere International period, yet apparently, our
package is going through the EU systems via USPS.
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Hmm, intresting, never thought about that.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Nov 18, 2024 13:50 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | […]
(a US Navy Base somewhere)
it just departed Rome Italy, enroute to the address, according to tracking.
so regardless of if your shipment is addressed USA (or your own home country),
this is an example of how you can get tangled up in 'foreign affairs'.
we do not ship to Europe nor anywhere International period, yet apparently, our
package is going through the EU systems via USPS.
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If I’m not mistaken:
1. The mail is handled by USPS and the military postal service, never by foreign
postal services.
2. You’re filling a customs declaration when you’re sending goods that cross
borders. You’re then aware that you’re exporting something and should then respect
the laws of the country you’re exporting to.
And even then, as it’s a military address and you don’t know which country you’re
exporting to, that must mean that the package may leave the USA (hence why it
needs a custom declaration) but only to go in international zones and go back
in the USA (the military base or vessel or the US ambassy). So you’re not exporting
anything, it’s the military personel who receives it who may be importing it
in the country they are based in if they move the contents out of base.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | cosmicray | | Posted: | Nov 19, 2024 11:16 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, SylvainLS writes:
There are a small number of USPS Zip Codes (in Virginia, IIRC) which have fake
street names, and actually are for mail being sent to US Diplomatic missions
overseas (embassies, consulates, etc).
I've only encountered it once or twice, and it has been so long ago that
I don't recall if there was a customs form involved. Why I even noticed them
was some oddity in how the postage was generated. There may be a list of them
buried somewhere in the USPS DMM.
The elderly lady (Ann, may she rest in peace) at the local post office counter
was well aware of them and helped me understand what was happening there.
NR
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Nov 19, 2024 12:27 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, cosmicray writes:
| | In Administrative, SylvainLS writes:
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(Oops, ambassador but embassy. Is Nubs writing the dictionary
now? )
| | There are a small number of USPS Zip Codes (in Virginia, IIRC) which have fake
street names, and actually are for mail being sent to US Diplomatic missions
overseas (embassies, consulates, etc).
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I’ve no idea if there’s a similar “trick” in France.
If I search for the address of an embassy, I get the physical address: obviously,
the main reason for such a search is to go there 😅
| | I've only encountered it once or twice, and it has been so long ago that
I don't recall if there was a customs form involved. Why I even noticed them
was some oddity in how the postage was generated. There may be a list of them
buried somewhere in the USPS DMM.
The elderly lady (Ann, may she rest in peace) at the local post office counter
was well aware of them and helped me understand what was happening there.
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It shouldn’t but it doesn’t fail to surprise me all the knowledge there’s in
some places/jobs.
Fascinating.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Nov 19, 2024 12:41 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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(Oops, ambassador but embassy. Is Nubs writing the dictionary
now? )
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Nov 17, 2024 03:12 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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It is a fundamental right not to be subject to the laws of another country if
you have nothing to do with that country.
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This is why it shouldn't be framed in this way. Just make it that all sellers
must tick a box agreeing only to sell genuine LEGO parts or whatever wording
they want. That is then a site regulation. A regulation that allows some users
to comply with EU regulations where necessary.
Similarly, they could ban all sellers from adding on fees for PayPal. Even if
local laws allow it, they could make it a site regulation that you cannot do
it, standardised for all.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Brickman4you | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 19:55 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 69 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| +1
| | The EU tramples on peoples rights and freedom of speech regularly so how can
they be taken seriously? Glad I live in North America. To think that BL can force
this on ALL sellers whether they ship to the EU or not is a violation of peoples
fundamental rights granted by their individual countries. This is a serious mistake
on the part of BL to force on all. I get that LEGO is HQ'd in an EU country
but shame on them for forcing it on all.
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| | | | | Author: | Nerdura | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 03:43 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 78 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, CE_Anastasia writes:
| | Dear members,
Because LEGO BrickLink is required to comply with the EU Digital Services Act
(DSA), we are introducing seller account self-certification. The DSA requires
that all sellers must certify that they are providing products and services that
are in compliance with European Union law by February 16, 2025. This requirement
applies to all BrickLink sellers, regardless of whether they ship to the European
Union or not.
We will be sharing more details shortly. Keep an eye out for updates through
the BrickLink Team emails, the BrickLink Forum, or our DSA Help page:https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2655
The EU Digital Services Act regulates, among other things, online marketplaces
such as BrickLink. Its goal is to provide a transparent and safe online environment
by establishing a unified set of rules and regulations for illegal online content.
We appreciate your understanding.
The BrickLink Team
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Hi BrickLink team,
You engage in legal overreach as I have no intention to sell anything overseas
other than NZ. Consequently can you please close my store permanently as I have
no intention as a company to comply with laws and regulations, where my company
is not subject to.
As it currently stands I sell more anyway through other channels.
Thank you.
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| | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 04:14 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 75 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| | | You engage in legal overreach as I have no intention to sell anything overseas
other than NZ. Consequently can you please close my store permanently as I have
no intention as a company to comply with laws and regulations, where my company
is not subject to.
As it currently stands I sell more anyway through other channels.
Thank you.
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Your store is currently closed. If YOU don't open it, it will remain closed.
If you want it permanently closed you can request this here ...
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=364
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Nerdura | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 16:46 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 79 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, yorbrick writes:
| | | | You engage in legal overreach as I have no intention to sell anything overseas
other than NZ. Consequently can you please close my store permanently as I have
no intention as a company to comply with laws and regulations, where my company
is not subject to.
As it currently stands I sell more anyway through other channels.
Thank you.
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Your store is currently closed. If YOU don't open it, it will remain closed.
If you want it permanently closed you can request this here ...
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=364
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Thanks for the advice. It is now permanent closed.
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| | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 08:20 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 111 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| | | In Administrative, CE_Anastasia writes:
Dear members,
This requirement applies to all BrickLink sellers, regardless of whether they ship to the European Union or not.
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Sigh...
I am sorry BrickLink, but if you are going to ask a bunch of non-EU people who
don't sell to EU countries to promise to comply with an EU law, then you
are going to have to explain yourself better than this.
Of course it is not reasonable to ask a non-citizen or stakeholder to agree to
an EU law.
If you are turning this on for all sellers globally because you aren't prepared
to build the infrastructure to do so at an individual store level, then please,
just say so. It's understandable as long as you are transparent about it.
Clear communication will help things along.
"We can't check if you change or update your shipping settings in the
future, so we need you to do this now."
Thank you,
~Jen
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| | | | | | | Author: | knxguy11340 | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 10:37 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 77 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, jennnifer writes:
| | | | In Administrative, CE_Anastasia writes:
Dear members,
This requirement applies to all BrickLink sellers, regardless of whether they ship to the European Union or not.
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Sigh...
I am sorry BrickLink, but if you are going to ask a bunch of non-EU people who
don't sell to EU countries to promise to comply with an EU law, then you
are going to have to explain yourself better than this.
Of course it is not reasonable to ask a non-citizen or stakeholder to agree to
an EU law.
If you are turning this on for all sellers globally because you aren't prepared
to build the infrastructure to do so at an individual store level, then please,
just say so. It's understandable as long as you are transparent about it.
Clear communication will help things along.
"We can't check if you change or update your shipping settings in the
future, so we need you to do this now."
Thank you,
~Jen
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May I suggest you contact the FBI and voice your displeasure about a single country
enforcing their laws on the entire world.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 10:49 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, knxguy11340 writes:
| | In Administrative, jennnifer writes:
| | | | In Administrative, CE_Anastasia writes:
Dear members,
This requirement applies to all BrickLink sellers, regardless of whether they ship to the European Union or not.
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Sigh...
I am sorry BrickLink, but if you are going to ask a bunch of non-EU people who
don't sell to EU countries to promise to comply with an EU law, then you
are going to have to explain yourself better than this.
Of course it is not reasonable to ask a non-citizen or stakeholder to agree to
an EU law.
If you are turning this on for all sellers globally because you aren't prepared
to build the infrastructure to do so at an individual store level, then please,
just say so. It's understandable as long as you are transparent about it.
Clear communication will help things along.
"We can't check if you change or update your shipping settings in the
future, so we need you to do this now."
Thank you,
~Jen
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May I suggest you contact the FBI and voice your displeasure about a single country
enforcing their laws on the entire world.
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Yeah, no thanks. For one thing, I don't care that much. It's a check
box. And for another, the EU is not a single country. They just have a heavy-handed
approach to fixing things.
~Jen
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Brickman4you | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 19:34 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| | | | | | | Author: | cosmicray | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 11:07 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, jennnifer writes:
| | | | In Administrative, CE_Anastasia writes:
Dear members,
This requirement applies to all BrickLink sellers, regardless of whether they ship to the European Union or not.
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Sigh...
I am sorry BrickLink, but if you are going to ask a bunch of non-EU people who
don't sell to EU countries to promise to comply with an EU law, then you
are going to have to explain yourself better than this.
Of course it is not reasonable to ask a non-citizen or stakeholder to agree to
an EU law.
If you are turning this on for all sellers globally because you aren't prepared
to build the infrastructure to do so at an individual store level, then please,
just say so. It's understandable as long as you are transparent about it.
Clear communication will help things along.
"We can't check if you change or update your shipping settings in the
future, so we need you to do this now."
Thank you,
~Jen
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Wearing my devil's advocate avatar for a moment ... The fly in the ointment
is freight forwarders, that combined with BL having a large presence in the EU.
Freight forwarders will likely not have to complete this, as they are not selling
anything, only acting as common carriers. BL is indeed taking an approach which
their legal department is telling them has to be done this way. I also disagree
with this approach. Pls see my other comment (up-thread) concerning freight forwarders
and stealth selling/shipping of products.
NR
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| | | | | Author: | CPgolfaddict | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 15:12 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 78 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| Looking at my BL orders, I have shipped one order to an EU address in the last
6 months. I have one another with an EU flag on the order page, but that was
shipped to a US address.
It isn't even remotely worth my time and effort to even begin to read & comprehend
EU laws and then think about certifying my compliance with those laws.
1. Will BrickLink share the self-certification information with the EU or anyone
else?
2. It is technologically lazy to not offer an opt-out of EU self-certification.
This is what I want.
I see other platforms offering a more nuanced approach. e.g. "If you’re
a registered business seller who has listings available for purchase to buyers
in the European Union, your listings will reflect the rules established by the
Digital Services Act. "
When I get some time in the next few days, I'll disable shipping to EU countries.
It is a pain to have to review every shipping method, a country or region yes/no
override would help. If BL had an override that simply blocked a country (or
region) that would help.
As of now, I'll either form an LLC or stop selling.
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| | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 15:54 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 118 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, CE_Anastasia writes:
I don't know the others, but I *hate* when BrickLink sends such "News"
to everyone a Friday night - when people at BrickLink admins / help desk is weekending.
Let me try to decode for the others...
"DSA focuses on illegal and harmful online content."
Illegal would be copyrighted materials (Licences...) or fabrication and resale
of patented parts or elements (like Minifigures afaik).
It's exactly what many here come and shout in forum about "fake legos"
(with the s, the more often).
Harmful would be items made with no internatioal or authorized certifications,
like a plastic that could contain some harmful chemicals.
Who wants to give their children toxic parts?
All in all, this is to say "We don't want BrickLink to be known as selling
servile copies and crappy items".
And sellers will have to clearly say "I don't (knowingly at least) sell
those".
I don't see this as a problem.
"The DSA requires that all sellers must certify that they are providing
products and services that are in compliance with European Union law"
That means that BrickLink, as a marketplace HAS - by law - to specify it passes
this.
And for ALL sellers, including those American rebels who say "What the heck
this EU rule!"
BrickLink have to respect this, while forcing people to agree - because they
don't have any other choice.
Or the other one being the whole BrickLink being closed.
I don't wish BrickLink to being closed.
And about US people complaining to follow EU regulations, come on...
You seriously think EU and other Countries don't already follow various rules/laws
enforced - one way or another - by USA? LOL
Apart this, I hate this new introduction / intrusion of regulations and laws.
More control, less freedom to exchange, reducing the worldwide market to simple
zones and countries fighthing or ignoring the others - and il all cases more
taxes to come (later on, of course).
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| | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Nov 17, 2024 03:06 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| | | BrickLink have to respect this, while forcing people to agree - because they
don't have any other choice.
Or the other one being the whole BrickLink being closed.
I don't wish BrickLink to being closed.
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Isn't there the option of not operating in the EU, and banning EU residents
from accessing BL services? I'm not saying that us a good option but that
was the direction taken with China.
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| | | | | | | Author: | MyTwoPence | | Posted: | Dec 3, 2024 06:51 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| +1
+2
+3
......
+ 1001bricks.
Took 10 mins skimming over the rants and misinterpretations until I found your
clear and concise overview
Thanks for the post!!
... just MyTwoPence
In Administrative, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Administrative, CE_Anastasia writes:
I don't know the others, but I *hate* when BrickLink sends such "News"
to everyone a Friday night - when people at BrickLink admins / help desk is weekending.
Let me try to decode for the others...
"DSA focuses on illegal and harmful online content."
Illegal would be copyrighted materials (Licences...) or fabrication and resale
of patented parts or elements (like Minifigures afaik).
It's exactly what many here come and shout in forum about "fake legos"
(with the s, the more often).
Harmful would be items made with no internatioal or authorized certifications,
like a plastic that could contain some harmful chemicals.
Who wants to give their children toxic parts?
All in all, this is to say "We don't want BrickLink to be known as selling
servile copies and crappy items".
And sellers will have to clearly say "I don't (knowingly at least) sell
those".
I don't see this as a problem.
"The DSA requires that all sellers must certify that they are providing
products and services that are in compliance with European Union law"
That means that BrickLink, as a marketplace HAS - by law - to specify it passes
this.
And for ALL sellers, including those American rebels who say "What the heck
this EU rule!"
BrickLink have to respect this, while forcing people to agree - because they
don't have any other choice.
Or the other one being the whole BrickLink being closed.
I don't wish BrickLink to being closed.
And about US people complaining to follow EU regulations, come on...
You seriously think EU and other Countries don't already follow various rules/laws
enforced - one way or another - by USA? LOL
Apart this, I hate this new introduction / intrusion of regulations and laws.
More control, less freedom to exchange, reducing the worldwide market to simple
zones and countries fighthing or ignoring the others - and il all cases more
taxes to come (later on, of course).
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| | | | | Author: | runner.caller | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 17:39 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 86 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, CE_Anastasia writes:
| | Dear members,
Because LEGO BrickLink is required to comply with the EU Digital Services Act
(DSA), we are introducing seller account self-certification. The DSA requires
that all sellers must certify that they are providing products and services that
are in compliance with European Union law by February 16, 2025. This requirement
applies to all BrickLink sellers, regardless of whether they ship to the European
Union or not.
We will be sharing more details shortly. Keep an eye out for updates through
the BrickLink Team emails, the BrickLink Forum, or our DSA Help page:https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2655
The EU Digital Services Act regulates, among other things, online marketplaces
such as BrickLink. Its goal is to provide a transparent and safe online environment
by establishing a unified set of rules and regulations for illegal online content.
We appreciate your understanding.
The BrickLink Team
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So for a US based seller that only sells to the US, the newsletter says I have
to check a box.
“What does the self-certification procedure look like?
Sellers must select the checkbox that confirms that they commit to only offer
products and/or services that comply with the applicable rules of European Union
law. No further action is required after that.”
No further action is required after I check the box is how I read it. Doesn’t
say I have to actually read or understand the EU law, just follow it if I were
to ship to the EU at some point in the future. And since the only thing we sell
on here is LEGO, then that should guarantee compliance.
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| | | | | | | Author: | cosmicray | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 18:59 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, runner.caller writes:
| | In Administrative, CE_Anastasia writes:
| | Dear members,
Because LEGO BrickLink is required to comply with the EU Digital Services Act
(DSA), we are introducing seller account self-certification. The DSA requires
that all sellers must certify that they are providing products and services that
are in compliance with European Union law by February 16, 2025. This requirement
applies to all BrickLink sellers, regardless of whether they ship to the European
Union or not.
We will be sharing more details shortly. Keep an eye out for updates through
the BrickLink Team emails, the BrickLink Forum, or our DSA Help page:https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2655
The EU Digital Services Act regulates, among other things, online marketplaces
such as BrickLink. Its goal is to provide a transparent and safe online environment
by establishing a unified set of rules and regulations for illegal online content.
We appreciate your understanding.
The BrickLink Team
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So for a US based seller that only sells to the US, the newsletter says I have
to check a box.
“What does the self-certification procedure look like?
Sellers must select the checkbox that confirms that they commit to only offer
products and/or services that comply with the applicable rules of European Union
law. No further action is required after that.”
No further action is required after I check the box is how I read it. Doesn’t
say I have to actually read or understand the EU law, just follow it if I were
to ship to the EU at some point in the future. And since the only thing we sell
on here is LEGO, then that should guarantee compliance.
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The problem is the freight forwarders. They in no way are affected by this law,
but they do enable someone in the EU to buy from you, with delivery (via the
FF in USA) to the EU.
As to compliance, there is a presumption that everyone is only selling official
LEGO parts. I get that, and I agree with that, but there is the issue with used
parts that much of that (as acquired by sellers from whatever source) has no
provenance. If you buy a bag of used LEGO parts off eBay, to sort and list into
your store, you can pick out the obvious ones that are clone parts, but a few
parts (e.g. 3062) may be very hard to determine if authentic. Which is why this
law, and the path BL is choosing to take, leaves many of us in a precarious situation.
NR
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | runner.caller | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 19:51 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, cosmicray writes:
| | In Administrative, runner.caller writes:
| | In Administrative, CE_Anastasia writes:
| | Dear members,
Because LEGO BrickLink is required to comply with the EU Digital Services Act
(DSA), we are introducing seller account self-certification. The DSA requires
that all sellers must certify that they are providing products and services that
are in compliance with European Union law by February 16, 2025. This requirement
applies to all BrickLink sellers, regardless of whether they ship to the European
Union or not.
We will be sharing more details shortly. Keep an eye out for updates through
the BrickLink Team emails, the BrickLink Forum, or our DSA Help page:https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2655
The EU Digital Services Act regulates, among other things, online marketplaces
such as BrickLink. Its goal is to provide a transparent and safe online environment
by establishing a unified set of rules and regulations for illegal online content.
We appreciate your understanding.
The BrickLink Team
|
So for a US based seller that only sells to the US, the newsletter says I have
to check a box.
“What does the self-certification procedure look like?
Sellers must select the checkbox that confirms that they commit to only offer
products and/or services that comply with the applicable rules of European Union
law. No further action is required after that.”
No further action is required after I check the box is how I read it. Doesn’t
say I have to actually read or understand the EU law, just follow it if I were
to ship to the EU at some point in the future. And since the only thing we sell
on here is LEGO, then that should guarantee compliance.
|
The problem is the freight forwarders. They in no way are affected by this law,
but they do enable someone in the EU to buy from you, with delivery (via the
FF in USA) to the EU.
As to compliance, there is a presumption that everyone is only selling official
LEGO parts. I get that, and I agree with that, but there is the issue with used
parts that much of that (as acquired by sellers from whatever source) has no
provenance. If you buy a bag of used LEGO parts off eBay, to sort and list into
your store, you can pick out the obvious ones that are clone parts, but a few
parts (e.g. 3062) may be very hard to determine if authentic. Which is why this
law, and the path BL is choosing to take, leaves many of us in a precarious situation.
NR
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When it comes to freight forwarders, I’m still only selling to the US address.
As far as this law goes, my obligation ends once it reaches the usually Portland
address.
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| | | | | Author: | Brickman4you | | Posted: | Nov 16, 2024 19:04 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 154 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| How about NO...
In Administrative, CE_Anastasia writes:
| | Dear members,
Because LEGO BrickLink is required to comply with the EU Digital Services Act
(DSA), we are introducing seller account self-certification. The DSA requires
that all sellers must certify that they are providing products and services that
are in compliance with European Union law by February 16, 2025. This requirement
applies to all BrickLink sellers, regardless of whether they ship to the European
Union or not.
We will be sharing more details shortly. Keep an eye out for updates through
the BrickLink Team emails, the BrickLink Forum, or our DSA Help page:https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2655
The EU Digital Services Act regulates, among other things, online marketplaces
such as BrickLink. Its goal is to provide a transparent and safe online environment
by establishing a unified set of rules and regulations for illegal online content.
We appreciate your understanding.
The BrickLink Team
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| | | | | | | Author: | Brickman4you | | Posted: | Nov 17, 2024 14:54 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| | (Cancelled) |
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Brickman4you | | Posted: | Nov 17, 2024 15:25 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 88 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| | (Cancelled) |
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Adjour | | Posted: | Nov 17, 2024 21:05 | | Subject: | Re: (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, Brickman4you writes:
| | In Administrative, Brickman4you writes:
I DID NOT CACEL THIS MESSAGE, BRICKLINK DID, STORE IS NOW CLOSED, GOODBYE!
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remindme! two weeks
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| | | | | | | Author: | TravelBound | | Posted: | Nov 17, 2024 18:38 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 84 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| I may certainly be wrong but if a store has been closed by Bricklink it usually
is a suspension which is indicated as such when you call up the store????
In Administrative, Brickman4you writes:
| | How about NO...
In Administrative, CE_Anastasia writes:
| | Dear members,
Because LEGO BrickLink is required to comply with the EU Digital Services Act
(DSA), we are introducing seller account self-certification. The DSA requires
that all sellers must certify that they are providing products and services that
are in compliance with European Union law by February 16, 2025. This requirement
applies to all BrickLink sellers, regardless of whether they ship to the European
Union or not.
We will be sharing more details shortly. Keep an eye out for updates through
the BrickLink Team emails, the BrickLink Forum, or our DSA Help page:https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2655
The EU Digital Services Act regulates, among other things, online marketplaces
such as BrickLink. Its goal is to provide a transparent and safe online environment
by establishing a unified set of rules and regulations for illegal online content.
We appreciate your understanding.
The BrickLink Team
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | macebobo | | Posted: | Nov 17, 2024 19:16 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | macebobo | | Posted: | Nov 17, 2024 19:23 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, TravelBound writes:
| | I may certainly be wrong but if a store has been closed by Bricklink it usually
is a suspension which is indicated as such when you call up the store????
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It feels to me like they have closed their store voluntarily since as you point
out, when Bricklink does it, they post why on the store landing page. Also, they
have deleted their terms, shipping info, and removed all of their inventory.
It is ironic their feedback is 1984 considering the mood of this thread.
I wonder what they posted in the forum that the mods removed.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Nov 17, 2024 19:35 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 85 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, macebobo writes:
| | In Administrative, TravelBound writes:
| | I may certainly be wrong but if a store has been closed by Bricklink it usually
is a suspension which is indicated as such when you call up the store????
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It feels to me like they have closed their store voluntarily since as you point
out, when Bricklink does it, they post why on the store landing page. Also, they
have deleted their terms, shipping info, and removed all of their inventory.
It is ironic their feedback is 1984 considering the mood of this thread.
I wonder what they posted in the forum that the mods removed.
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What a saw was a post that included a link to a youtube video, clarifying how
DSA applies or is being broadly enacted, and the obvious challenges therein.
Just how far it can be pushed
If you pm them, I'm sure they will send the link to you.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | macebobo | | Posted: | Nov 17, 2024 19:45 | | Subject: | Re: Digital Services Act Announcement | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Administrative | |
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| In Administrative, popsicle writes:
| | In Administrative, macebobo writes:
| | In Administrative, TravelBound writes:
| | I may certainly be wrong but if a store has been closed by Bricklink it usually
is a suspension which is indicated as such when you call up the store????
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It feels to me like they have closed their store voluntarily since as you point
out, when Bricklink does it, they post why on the store landing page. Also, they
have deleted their terms, shipping info, and removed all of their inventory.
It is ironic their feedback is 1984 considering the mood of this thread.
I wonder what they posted in the forum that the mods removed.
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What a saw was a post that included a link to a youtube video, clarifying how
DSA applies or is being broadly enacted, and the obvious challenges therein.
Just how far it can be pushed
If you pm them, I'm sure they will send the link to you.
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They had a similar link in their store closure message.
Did the mods take this as political?
Ironic, because it is in a policy thread.
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