1. I discovered that this store has been adding fraudulent fees of 20% to their
orders.
2. According to their terms, they only charge a 5% PayPal fee.
3. They refused to cancel the order despite our request.
4. They won't abide by EU's right to cancel law
5. Bricklink initially suspended their store for a few days.
6. Although Bricklink canceled our order and later reinstated their selling account,
we have not received a refund.
7. Several Bricklink members have messaged me that this seller is notorious for
causing issues.
1. I discovered that this store has been adding fraudulent fees of 20% to their
orders.
2. According to their terms, they only charge a 5% PayPal fee.
3. They refused to cancel the order despite our request.
4. They won't abide by EU's right to cancel law
5. Bricklink initially suspended their store for a few days.
6. Although Bricklink canceled our order and later reinstated their selling account,
we have not received a refund.
7. Several Bricklink members have messaged me that this seller is notorious for
causing issues.
This nonsense shoulnd't be allowed.
just read through his terms and this is a big red flag for me and against bricklink
TOS
"In any option you do not want a certificate, you must pay by bank transfer
or Paypal friend. (The rates are cheaper)"
1. I discovered that this store has been adding fraudulent fees of 20% to their
orders.
2. According to their terms, they only charge a 5% PayPal fee.
3. They refused to cancel the order despite our request.
4. They won't abide by EU's right to cancel law
5. Bricklink initially suspended their store for a few days.
6. Although Bricklink canceled our order and later reinstated their selling account,
we have not received a refund.
7. Several Bricklink members have messaged me that this seller is notorious for
causing issues.
This nonsense shoulnd't be allowed.
You as a buyer from outside the EU have no right of withdrawal like a buyer from
the EU.
1. I discovered that this store has been adding fraudulent fees of 20% to their
orders.
2. According to their terms, they only charge a 5% PayPal fee.
3. They refused to cancel the order despite our request.
4. They won't abide by EU's right to cancel law
5. Bricklink initially suspended their store for a few days.
6. Although Bricklink canceled our order and later reinstated their selling account,
we have not received a refund.
7. Several Bricklink members have messaged me that this seller is notorious for
causing issues.
This nonsense shoulnd't be allowed.
You as a buyer from outside the EU have no right of withdrawal like a buyer from
the EU.
And the seller has no right to charge a buyer outside of the EU for VAT.
1. I discovered that this store has been adding fraudulent fees of 20% to their
orders.
2. According to their terms, they only charge a 5% PayPal fee.
3. They refused to cancel the order despite our request.
4. They won't abide by EU's right to cancel law
5. Bricklink initially suspended their store for a few days.
6. Although Bricklink canceled our order and later reinstated their selling account,
we have not received a refund.
7. Several Bricklink members have messaged me that this seller is notorious for
causing issues.
This nonsense shoulnd't be allowed.
You as a buyer from outside the EU have no right of withdrawal like a buyer from
the EU.
And the seller has no right to charge a buyer outside of the EU for VAT.
Did he? I haven't read his terms all the way through, but if I remember correctly,
he even listed the percentages for each EU country. Did it include countries
outside the EU?
1. I discovered that this store has been adding fraudulent fees of 20% to their
orders.
2. According to their terms, they only charge a 5% PayPal fee.
3. They refused to cancel the order despite our request.
4. They won't abide by EU's right to cancel law
5. Bricklink initially suspended their store for a few days.
6. Although Bricklink canceled our order and later reinstated their selling account,
we have not received a refund.
7. Several Bricklink members have messaged me that this seller is notorious for
causing issues.
This nonsense shoulnd't be allowed.
You as a buyer from outside the EU have no right of withdrawal like a buyer from
the EU.
And the seller has no right to charge a buyer outside of the EU for VAT.
Did he? I haven't read his terms all the way through, but if I remember correctly,
he even listed the percentages for each EU country. Did it include countries
outside the EU?
From what I saw, he said anyone outside of the EU would still have to be charged
VAT because Spain made them and if they didn't they would be committing tax
fraud...
1. I discovered that this store has been adding fraudulent fees of 20% to their
orders.
2. According to their terms, they only charge a 5% PayPal fee.
3. They refused to cancel the order despite our request.
4. They won't abide by EU's right to cancel law
5. Bricklink initially suspended their store for a few days.
6. Although Bricklink canceled our order and later reinstated their selling account,
we have not received a refund.
7. Several Bricklink members have messaged me that this seller is notorious for
causing issues.
This nonsense shoulnd't be allowed.
You as a buyer from outside the EU have no right of withdrawal like a buyer from
the EU.
And the seller has no right to charge a buyer outside of the EU for VAT.
Did he? I haven't read his terms all the way through, but if I remember correctly,
he even listed the percentages for each EU country. Did it include countries
outside the EU?
From what I saw, he said anyone outside of the EU would still have to be charged
VAT because Spain made them and if they didn't they would be committing tax
fraud...
Some people don't realize that playing with taxes is a ticket to jail here
at least.
One must be aware of legalities regarding those, ain't no joke!
1. I discovered that this store has been adding fraudulent fees of 20% to their
orders.
2. According to their terms, they only charge a 5% PayPal fee.
3. They refused to cancel the order despite our request.
4. They won't abide by EU's right to cancel law
5. Bricklink initially suspended their store for a few days.
6. Although Bricklink canceled our order and later reinstated their selling account,
we have not received a refund.
7. Several Bricklink members have messaged me that this seller is notorious for
causing issues.
This nonsense shoulnd't be allowed.
You as a buyer from outside the EU have no right of withdrawal like a buyer from
the EU.
And the seller has no right to charge a buyer outside of the EU for VAT.
Did he? I haven't read his terms all the way through, but if I remember correctly,
he even listed the percentages for each EU country. Did it include countries
outside the EU?
From what I saw, he said anyone outside of the EU would still have to be charged
VAT because Spain made them and if they didn't they would be committing tax
fraud...
Some people don't realize that playing with taxes is a ticket to jail here
at least.
One must be aware of legalities regarding those, ain't no joke!
Based on what Rebelliousbrick said, what they are doing is not the correct way
to do it.
Here is a copy of what they said.
yes the sellers terms state that he must charge 21% for any order outside the
EU.
VAT isn't charged on exports of goods to countries outside the EU. In these
cases, VAT is charged and due in the country of import and you don't need
to declare any VAT as an exporter. However, when exporting goods you will need
to provide documentation as proof that the goods were transported outside the
EU. Such proof could be provided by presenting a copy of an invoice, a transportation
document or an import customs record to your tax authorities.
You will need to provide this proof to be able to fully deduct any receivable
VAT that you have paid in a previous related transaction leading up to the export.
Insufficient documentation may mean you won't have the right to a VAT reimbursement
when exporting goods."
Going a bit deeper into the VAT Rules of Spain I found this (https://www.tas-consultoria.com/blog-en/who-is-exempt-from-vat-on-exports/):
VAT levied on exports to non-EU countries
A similar situation occurs for exports to countries outside the European Union.
They are also called extra-EU operations and it is not necessary to include VAT
in the sales invoices.
According to the Law, transactions with non-EU countries are considered exports.
Consequently, those exporting services and goods are exempt from VAT. This exemption
applies to sales to other companies as well as to individuals.
However, professionals and businessmen must inform the tax authorities of these
extra-Community transactions by means of form 303.
1. I discovered that this store has been adding fraudulent fees of 20% to their
orders.
2. According to their terms, they only charge a 5% PayPal fee.
3. They refused to cancel the order despite our request.
4. They won't abide by EU's right to cancel law
5. Bricklink initially suspended their store for a few days.
6. Although Bricklink canceled our order and later reinstated their selling account,
we have not received a refund.
7. Several Bricklink members have messaged me that this seller is notorious for
causing issues.
This nonsense shoulnd't be allowed.
You as a buyer from outside the EU have no right of withdrawal like a buyer from
the EU.
And the seller has no right to charge a buyer outside of the EU for VAT.
Did he? I haven't read his terms all the way through, but if I remember correctly,
he even listed the percentages for each EU country. Did it include countries
outside the EU?
From what I saw, he said anyone outside of the EU would still have to be charged
VAT because Spain made them and if they didn't they would be committing tax
fraud...
Some people don't realize that playing with taxes is a ticket to jail here
at least.
One must be aware of legalities regarding those, ain't no joke!
Based on what Rebelliousbrick said, what they are doing is not the correct way
to do it.
Thank you but ahem - don't you think here we perfectly know the rules?
1. I discovered that this store has been adding fraudulent fees of 20% to their
orders.
2. According to their terms, they only charge a 5% PayPal fee.
3. They refused to cancel the order despite our request.
4. They won't abide by EU's right to cancel law
5. Bricklink initially suspended their store for a few days.
6. Although Bricklink canceled our order and later reinstated their selling account,
we have not received a refund.
7. Several Bricklink members have messaged me that this seller is notorious for
causing issues.
This nonsense shoulnd't be allowed.
You as a buyer from outside the EU have no right of withdrawal like a buyer from
the EU.
And the seller has no right to charge a buyer outside of the EU for VAT.
Did he? I haven't read his terms all the way through, but if I remember correctly,
he even listed the percentages for each EU country. Did it include countries
outside the EU?
From what I saw, he said anyone outside of the EU would still have to be charged
VAT because Spain made them and if they didn't they would be committing tax
fraud...
Some people don't realize that playing with taxes is a ticket to jail here
at least.
One must be aware of legalities regarding those, ain't no joke!
Based on what Rebelliousbrick said, what they are doing is not the correct way
to do it.
Thank you but ahem - don't you think here we perfectly know the rules?
No but I have bought from a store from spain that did not charge me a VAT.
Some people don't realize that playing with taxes is a ticket to jail here
at least.
One must be aware of legalities regarding those, ain't no joke!
Collecting VAT from buyers outside the EU is neither a criminal offence nor an
administrative offence as long as the tax collected is paid to the tax office.
Some people don't realize that playing with taxes is a ticket to jail here
at least.
One must be aware of legalities regarding those, ain't no joke!
Collecting VAT from buyers outside the EU is neither a criminal offence nor an
administrative offence as long as the tax collected is paid to the tax office.
Me thinks this is completely / dangerously untrue.
Some people don't realize that playing with taxes is a ticket to jail here
at least.
One must be aware of legalities regarding those, ain't no joke!
Collecting VAT from buyers outside the EU is neither a criminal offence nor an
administrative offence as long as the tax collected is paid to the tax office.
Me thinks this is completely / dangerously untrue.
Some people don't realize that playing with taxes is a ticket to jail here
at least.
One must be aware of legalities regarding those, ain't no joke!
Collecting VAT from buyers outside the EU is neither a criminal offence nor an
administrative offence as long as the tax collected is paid to the tax office.
Me thinks this is completely / dangerously untrue.
Whatever you say...
You can't "randomly" collect taxes "as long as it's paid
back to the tax office".
That's completely false.
Some people don't realize that playing with taxes is a ticket to jail here
at least.
One must be aware of legalities regarding those, ain't no joke!
Collecting VAT from buyers outside the EU is neither a criminal offence nor an
administrative offence as long as the tax collected is paid to the tax office.
Me thinks this is completely / dangerously untrue.
Whatever you say...
You can't "randomly" collect taxes "as long as it's paid
back to the tax office".
That's completely false.
Did he? I haven't read his terms all the way through, but if I remember correctly,
he even listed the percentages for each EU country. Did it include countries
outside the EU?
Yes, he added additional fees of 20% or so to the OP's order for VAT.
1. I discovered that this store has been adding fraudulent fees of 20% to their
orders.
2. According to their terms, they only charge a 5% PayPal fee.
3. They refused to cancel the order despite our request.
4. They won't abide by EU's right to cancel law
5. Bricklink initially suspended their store for a few days.
6. Although Bricklink canceled our order and later reinstated their selling account,
we have not received a refund.
7. Several Bricklink members have messaged me that this seller is notorious for
causing issues.
This nonsense shoulnd't be allowed.
You as a buyer from outside the EU have no right of withdrawal like a buyer from
the EU.
And the seller has no right to charge a buyer outside of the EU for VAT.
Did he? I haven't read his terms all the way through, but if I remember correctly,
he even listed the percentages for each EU country. Did it include countries
outside the EU?
yes the sellers terms state that he must charge 21% for any order outside the
EU.
VAT isn't charged on exports of goods to countries outside the EU. In these
cases, VAT is charged and due in the country of import and you don't need
to declare any VAT as an exporter. However, when exporting goods you will need
to provide documentation as proof that the goods were transported outside the
EU. Such proof could be provided by presenting a copy of an invoice, a transportation
document or an import customs record to your tax authorities.
You will need to provide this proof to be able to fully deduct any receivable
VAT that you have paid in a previous related transaction leading up to the export.
Insufficient documentation may mean you won't have the right to a VAT reimbursement
when exporting goods."
Going a bit deeper into the VAT Rules of Spain I found this (https://www.tas-consultoria.com/blog-en/who-is-exempt-from-vat-on-exports/): VAT levied on exports to non-EU countries
A similar situation occurs for exports to countries outside the European Union.
They are also called extra-EU operations and it is not necessary to include VAT
in the sales invoices.
According to the Law, transactions with non-EU countries are considered exports.
Consequently, those exporting services and goods are exempt from VAT. This exemption
applies to sales to other companies as well as to individuals.
However, professionals and businessmen must inform the tax authorities of these
extra-Community transactions by means of form 303.
1. I discovered that this store has been adding fraudulent fees of 20% to their
orders.
2. According to their terms, they only charge a 5% PayPal fee.
3. They refused to cancel the order despite our request.
4. They won't abide by EU's right to cancel law
5. Bricklink initially suspended their store for a few days.
6. Although Bricklink canceled our order and later reinstated their selling account,
we have not received a refund.
7. Several Bricklink members have messaged me that this seller is notorious for
causing issues.
This nonsense shoulnd't be allowed.
You as a buyer from outside the EU have no right of withdrawal like a buyer from
the EU.
And the seller has no right to charge a buyer outside of the EU for VAT.
Did he? I haven't read his terms all the way through, but if I remember correctly,
he even listed the percentages for each EU country. Did it include countries
outside the EU?
yes the sellers terms state that he must charge 21% for any order outside the
EU.
Now is the time for the seller to get hauled over the coals by BrickLink as you'd
say?
The expression in French is fun and it says "se faire souffler dans les bronches"...
1. I discovered that this store has been adding fraudulent fees of 20% to their
orders.
2. According to their terms, they only charge a 5% PayPal fee.
3. They refused to cancel the order despite our request.
4. They won't abide by EU's right to cancel law
5. Bricklink initially suspended their store for a few days.
6. Although Bricklink canceled our order and later reinstated their selling account,
we have not received a refund.
7. Several Bricklink members have messaged me that this seller is notorious for
causing issues.
This nonsense shoulnd't be allowed.
You as a buyer from outside the EU have no right of withdrawal like a buyer from
the EU.
And the seller has no right to charge a buyer outside of the EU for VAT.
Did he? I haven't read his terms all the way through, but if I remember correctly,
he even listed the percentages for each EU country. Did it include countries
outside the EU?
yes the sellers terms state that he must charge 21% for any order outside the
EU.
VAT isn't charged on exports of goods to countries outside the EU. In these
cases, VAT is charged and due in the country of import and you don't need
to declare any VAT as an exporter. However, when exporting goods you will need
to provide documentation as proof that the goods were transported outside the
EU. Such proof could be provided by presenting a copy of an invoice, a transportation
document or an import customs record to your tax authorities.
This is the EU directive. I personally don't know how Spain transposed this
directive. At any rate it is the Spanish law that counts and not the EU directive.
In Portugal, the copy of the invoice is not enough. We need the Transportation
Document (DAE) which only private carriers provide.
If Spain transposed the law the same way Portugal did, and the seller doesn't
want to use a private carrier (expensive) then he has to pay the 21% Spanish
VAT to his government on top of each order outside of EU.
You will need to provide this proof to be able to fully deduct any receivable
VAT that you have paid in a previous related transaction leading up to the export.
Insufficient documentation may mean you won't have the right to a VAT reimbursement
when exporting goods."
Going a bit deeper into the VAT Rules of Spain I found this (https://www.tas-consultoria.com/blog-en/who-is-exempt-from-vat-on-exports/): VAT levied on exports to non-EU countries
A similar situation occurs for exports to countries outside the European Union.
They are also called extra-EU operations and it is not necessary to include VAT
in the sales invoices.
According to the Law, transactions with non-EU countries are considered exports.
Consequently, those exporting services and goods are exempt from VAT. This exemption
applies to sales to other companies as well as to individuals.
However, professionals and businessmen must inform the tax authorities of these
extra-Community transactions by means of form 303.
1. I discovered that this store has been adding fraudulent fees of 20% to their
orders.
2. According to their terms, they only charge a 5% PayPal fee.
3. They refused to cancel the order despite our request.
4. They won't abide by EU's right to cancel law
5. Bricklink initially suspended their store for a few days.
6. Although Bricklink canceled our order and later reinstated their selling account,
we have not received a refund.
7. Several Bricklink members have messaged me that this seller is notorious for
causing issues.
This nonsense shoulnd't be allowed.
You as a buyer from outside the EU have no right of withdrawal like a buyer from
the EU.
it does not matter where the buyer is, the seller must adhere to the laws of
each country he is selling to.
besides bricklink TOS state that a buyer can cancel an order if the seller charges
outrages fees (Like charging 20% VAT for a buyer outside the EU) and Bricklink
TOS is above any store terms
In addition to the confusing fee policy, which I reviewed twice without finding
a clear statement about buyers outside the EU being charged VAT, the seller displayed
a banner that read "No more fees, only PayPal 5%!". I’ve also purchased
from many large stores in the EU including Spain and never had them try to add
a vat fee
According to his emails, he’s claiming that the 20% VAT charge is to cover the
20% VAT he incurs when purchasing the bricks. However, a fairer approach would
be to include the cost of goods in the price like everyone else on the platform.
After canceling the order on bricklink he shipped it anyway after I warned him
delivery would be refused.
In addition to the confusing fee policy, which I reviewed twice without finding
a clear statement about buyers outside the EU being charged VAT, the seller displayed
a banner that read "No more fees, only PayPal 5%!". I’ve also purchased
from many large stores in the EU including Spain and never had them try to add
a vat fee
According to his emails, he’s claiming that the 20% VAT charge is to cover the
20% VAT he incurs when purchasing the bricks. However, a fairer approach would
be to include the cost of goods in the price like everyone else on the platform.
After canceling the order on bricklink he shipped it anyway after I warned him
delivery would be refused.
He can offset the VAT paid on purchases against the VAT received on sales within
the EU.
In addition to the confusing fee policy, which I reviewed twice without finding
a clear statement about buyers outside the EU being charged VAT, the seller displayed
a banner that read "No more fees, only PayPal 5%!". I’ve also purchased
from many large stores in the EU including Spain and never had them try to add
a vat fee
According to his emails, he’s claiming that the 20% VAT charge is to cover the
20% VAT he incurs when purchasing the bricks. However, a fairer approach would
be to include the cost of goods in the price like everyone else on the platform.
After canceling the order on bricklink he shipped it anyway after I warned him
delivery would be refused.
He can offset the VAT paid on purchases against the VAT received on sales within
the EU.
VAT paid in purchases is simply part of the buying cost, and then in the final
price.
I give up: you should NOT give wrong tax advices in public.
In addition to the confusing fee policy, which I reviewed twice without finding
a clear statement about buyers outside the EU being charged VAT, the seller displayed
a banner that read "No more fees, only PayPal 5%!". I’ve also purchased
from many large stores in the EU including Spain and never had them try to add
a vat fee
According to his emails, he’s claiming that the 20% VAT charge is to cover the
20% VAT he incurs when purchasing the bricks. However, a fairer approach would
be to include the cost of goods in the price like everyone else on the platform.
After canceling the order on bricklink he shipped it anyway after I warned him
delivery would be refused.
He can offset the VAT paid on purchases against the VAT received on sales within
the EU.
VAT paid in purchases is simply part of the buying cost, and then in the final
You too!
price.
I give up: you should NOT give wrong tax advices in public.
In addition to the confusing fee policy, which I reviewed twice without finding
a clear statement about buyers outside the EU being charged VAT, the seller displayed
a banner that read "No more fees, only PayPal 5%!". I’ve also purchased
from many large stores in the EU including Spain and never had them try to add
a vat fee
According to his emails, he’s claiming that the 20% VAT charge is to cover the
20% VAT he incurs when purchasing the bricks. However, a fairer approach would
be to include the cost of goods in the price like everyone else on the platform.
After canceling the order on bricklink he shipped it anyway after I warned him
delivery would be refused.
He can offset the VAT paid on purchases against the VAT received on sales within
the EU.
No the seller needs to fill out a form when he exports goods outside of Spain/EU
so he can request a refund on the VAT he incurred when fulfilling the order.
When buying things online a buyer only need to pay the VAT/GST/Sales tax of the
country they are living in not the VAT/GST/Sales tax of the origin country
In addition to the confusing fee policy, which I reviewed twice without finding
a clear statement about buyers outside the EU being charged VAT, the seller displayed
a banner that read "No more fees, only PayPal 5%!". I’ve also purchased
from many large stores in the EU including Spain and never had them try to add
a vat fee
According to his emails, he’s claiming that the 20% VAT charge is to cover the
20% VAT he incurs when purchasing the bricks. However, a fairer approach would
be to include the cost of goods in the price like everyone else on the platform.
After canceling the order on bricklink he shipped it anyway after I warned him
delivery would be refused.
He can offset the VAT paid on purchases against the VAT received on sales within
the EU.
No the seller needs to fill out a form when he exports goods outside of Spain/EU
so he can request a refund on the VAT he incurred when fulfilling the order.
When buying things online a buyer only need to pay the VAT/GST/Sales tax of the
country they are living in not the VAT/GST/Sales tax of the origin country
I think we're talking about two different things here.
According to his emails, he’s claiming that the 20% VAT charge is to cover the
20% VAT he incurs when purchasing the bricks. However, a fairer approach would
be to include the cost of goods in the price like everyone else on the platform.
After canceling the order on bricklink he shipped it anyway after I warned him
delivery would be refused.
This all sounds bizarrely familiar. Were people discussing this store recently?
In addition to the confusing fee policy, which I reviewed twice without finding
a clear statement about buyers outside the EU being charged VAT, the seller displayed
a banner that read "No more fees, only PayPal 5%!". I’ve also purchased
from many large stores in the EU including Spain and never had them try to add
a vat fee
According to his emails, he’s claiming that the 20% VAT charge is to cover the
20% VAT he incurs when purchasing the bricks. However, a fairer approach would
be to include the cost of goods in the price like everyone else on the platform.
in places like Canada and also Europe (i think at least) they get that money
back from the government if it was purchased for the business so there shouldn't
be a need to charge it onto the buyer if they are doing things properly
In addition to the confusing fee policy, which I reviewed twice without finding
a clear statement about buyers outside the EU being charged VAT, the seller displayed
a banner that read "No more fees, only PayPal 5%!". I’ve also purchased
from many large stores in the EU including Spain and never had them try to add
a vat fee
According to his emails, he’s claiming that the 20% VAT charge is to cover the
20% VAT he incurs when purchasing the bricks. However, a fairer approach would
be to include the cost of goods in the price like everyone else on the platform.
in places like Canada and also Europe (i think at least) they get that money
back from the government if it was purchased for the business so there shouldn't
be a need to charge it onto the buyer if they are doing things properly
1. I discovered that this store has been adding fraudulent fees of 20% to their
orders.
2. According to their terms, they only charge a 5% PayPal fee.
3. They refused to cancel the order despite our request.
4. They won't abide by EU's right to cancel law
5. Bricklink initially suspended their store for a few days.
6. Although Bricklink canceled our order and later reinstated their selling account,
we have not received a refund.
7. Several Bricklink members have messaged me that this seller is notorious for
causing issues.
1. I discovered that this store has been adding fraudulent fees of 20% to their
orders.
2. According to their terms, they only charge a 5% PayPal fee.
3. They refused to cancel the order despite our request.
4. They won't abide by EU's right to cancel law
5. Bricklink initially suspended their store for a few days.
6. Although Bricklink canceled our order and later reinstated their selling account,
we have not received a refund.
7. Several Bricklink members have messaged me that this seller is notorious for
causing issues.
This nonsense shoulnd't be allowed.
Appears store is now suspended!
Yes, about 1 hour ago I was able to visit the store.
USA, Georgia
Luxembourg
Canada, Alberta
United Kingdom, Scotland
France, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur
Portugal
United Kingdom, England
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