Discussion Forum: Thread 359076

 Author: 1001bricks View Messages Posted By 1001bricks
 Posted: Jun 17, 2024 16:29
 Subject: Plate, Modified?
 Viewed: 113 times
 Topic: Catalog
 Status:Open
 Report:
Cancel Message
Cancel		Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

1001bricks (55565)

Location:  France, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur
Member Since Contact Type Status
Sep 6, 2005 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: 1001bricks
Question 1) Why is this a "Plate, Modified":

 
Part No: 73831 Name: Plate, Modified 2 x 3 with 1 x 1 Cutout
* 		73831 Plate, Modified 2 x 3 with 1 x 1 Cutout
Parts: Plate, Modified {Red}

When this is a "Plate" (not modified):

 
Part No: 2420 Name: Plate 2 x 2 Corner
* 		2420 Plate 2 x 2 Corner
Parts: Plate {Orange}

... while it could be a "Plate, Modified 2x2 Corner"?

Question 2)

If these ones below are ever produced, where will they be classified?

Plate, Modified or Plate Corner something or what?


In short, I don't see why 73831 is "less a Plate" than 2420 or 77844
or 2639.

 
Part No: 77844 Name: Plate 3 x 3 Corner
* 		77844 Plate 3 x 3 Corner
Parts: Plate {Blue}
 
Part No: 2639 Name: Plate 4 x 4 Corner
* 		2639 Plate 4 x 4 Corner
Parts: Plate {Dark Tan}

Or, why not considering:

All "Plate" should be rectangular (or square which is a rectangle) and
plain.

All others are "Plate, Modified", thus including our current "Corner".
 


 Author: Turez View Messages Posted By Turez
 Posted: Jun 17, 2024 18:04
 Subject: Re: Plate, Modified?
 Viewed: 66 times
 Topic: Catalog
 Report:
Cancel Message
Cancel		Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

Turez (47)

Location:  Germany, Niedersachsen
Member Since Contact Type Status
Sep 18, 2012 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store Closed Store: Zerut
BrickLink Catalog Administrator (?)
In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
  Question 1) Why is this a "Plate, Modified":

 
Part No: 73831 Name: Plate, Modified 2 x 3 with 1 x 1 Cutout
* 		73831 Plate, Modified 2 x 3 with 1 x 1 Cutout
Parts: Plate, Modified {Red}

When this is a "Plate" (not modified):

 
Part No: 2420 Name: Plate 2 x 2 Corner
* 		2420 Plate 2 x 2 Corner
Parts: Plate {Orange}

... while it could be a "Plate, Modified 2x2 Corner"?

Question 2)

If these ones below are ever produced, where will they be classified?

Plate, Modified or Plate Corner something or what?


In short, I don't see why 73831 is "less a Plate" than 2420 or 77844
or 2639.

 
Part No: 77844 Name: Plate 3 x 3 Corner
* 		77844 Plate 3 x 3 Corner
Parts: Plate {Blue}
 
Part No: 2639 Name: Plate 4 x 4 Corner
* 		2639 Plate 4 x 4 Corner
Parts: Plate {Dark Tan}

Or, why not considering:

All "Plate" should be rectangular (or square which is a rectangle) and
plain.

All others are "Plate, Modified", thus including our current "Corner".

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1265170
 Author: 1001bricks View Messages Posted By 1001bricks
 Posted: Jun 17, 2024 18:17
 Subject: (Cancelled)
 Viewed: 50 times
 Topic: Catalog
Cancel Message
Cancel
BrickLink
ID Card

1001bricks (55565)

Location:  France, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur
Member Since Contact Type Status
Sep 6, 2005 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: 1001bricks
(Cancelled)
 Author: popsicle View Messages Posted By popsicle
 Posted: Jun 17, 2024 19:39
 Subject: Re: Plate, Modified?
 Viewed: 61 times
 Topic: Catalog
 Report:
Cancel Message
Cancel		Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

popsicle (6773)

Location:  USA, Washington
Member Since Contact Type Status
Feb 21, 2006 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: ConstrucToys
In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
  In Catalog, Turez writes:
  In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
  Question 1) Why is this a "Plate, Modified":

 
Part No: 73831 Name: Plate, Modified 2 x 3 with 1 x 1 Cutout
* 		73831 Plate, Modified 2 x 3 with 1 x 1 Cutout
Parts: Plate, Modified {Red}

When this is a "Plate" (not modified):

 
Part No: 2420 Name: Plate 2 x 2 Corner
* 		2420 Plate 2 x 2 Corner
Parts: Plate {Orange}

... while it could be a "Plate, Modified 2x2 Corner"?

Question 2)

If these ones below are ever produced, where will they be classified?

Plate, Modified or Plate Corner something or what?


In short, I don't see why 73831 is "less a Plate" than 2420 or 77844
or 2639.

 
Part No: 77844 Name: Plate 3 x 3 Corner
* 		77844 Plate 3 x 3 Corner
Parts: Plate {Blue}
 
Part No: 2639 Name: Plate 4 x 4 Corner
* 		2639 Plate 4 x 4 Corner
Parts: Plate {Dark Tan}

Or, why not considering:

All "Plate" should be rectangular (or square which is a rectangle) and
plain.

All others are "Plate, Modified", thus including our current "Corner".

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1265170

Ohhhh

But I can read there:

That doesn’t mean, of course, that we will never move these parts. Just that
when we are being careful and moving things in logical stages, we need to recognize
that the inclusion of the “corner” elements is a completely different matter
than that of the 3 x 3 Cross Plate or the 2 x 3 Plate with Cutout, or other
parts like the 4 x 4 Plate with Center Cutout that could have been included with
the “basic” list had we gone another direction.

Anyway, it's a pain that 73831 is a "Modified", really.

You make good points, I thought.

To BL more broadly: Online search, especially cataloging, is about semantics
language-to-code If the commonly understood wording is not there, well....

Which goes to Sylvain's input
 Author: 1001bricks View Messages Posted By 1001bricks
 Posted: Jun 17, 2024 19:33
 Subject: Re: Plate, Modified?
 Viewed: 48 times
 Topic: Catalog
 Report:
Cancel Message
Cancel		Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

1001bricks (55565)

Location:  France, Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur
Member Since Contact Type Status
Sep 6, 2005 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: 1001bricks
In Catalog, Turez writes:
  In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
  Question 1) Why is this a "Plate, Modified":

 
Part No: 73831 Name: Plate, Modified 2 x 3 with 1 x 1 Cutout
* 		73831 Plate, Modified 2 x 3 with 1 x 1 Cutout
Parts: Plate, Modified {Red}

When this is a "Plate" (not modified):

 
Part No: 2420 Name: Plate 2 x 2 Corner
* 		2420 Plate 2 x 2 Corner
Parts: Plate {Orange}

... while it could be a "Plate, Modified 2x2 Corner"?

Question 2)

If these ones below are ever produced, where will they be classified?

Plate, Modified or Plate Corner something or what?


In short, I don't see why 73831 is "less a Plate" than 2420 or 77844
or 2639.

 
Part No: 77844 Name: Plate 3 x 3 Corner
* 		77844 Plate 3 x 3 Corner
Parts: Plate {Blue}
 
Part No: 2639 Name: Plate 4 x 4 Corner
* 		2639 Plate 4 x 4 Corner
Parts: Plate {Dark Tan}

Or, why not considering:

All "Plate" should be rectangular (or square which is a rectangle) and
plain.

All others are "Plate, Modified", thus including our current "Corner".

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1265170


Oh wow - it may be an historical pain, but it's a pain.
I hope it'll change.

Sorry, didn't read this Russell's post.
 Author: bahpstore View Messages Posted By bahpstore
 Posted: Jun 17, 2024 21:15
 Subject: (Cancelled)
 Viewed: 45 times
 Topic: Catalog
Cancel Message
Cancel
BrickLink
ID Card

bahpstore (27278)

Location:  USA, Virginia
Member Since Contact Type Status
Sep 20, 2016 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: BAHP Store
(Cancelled)
 Author: JerrysBrickyard View Messages Posted By JerrysBrickyard
 Posted: Jun 18, 2024 00:25
 Subject: Re: Plate, Modified?
 Viewed: 58 times
 Topic: Catalog
 Report:
Cancel Message
Cancel		Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

JerrysBrickyard (193)

Location:  USA, Texas
Member Since Contact Type Status
Jan 25, 2021 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: Jerry's [:] Brickyard
In Catalog, bahpstore writes:
  Have a similar question

Why is this a "Plate, Round":

 
Part No: 1745 Name: Plate, Round 1 x 2 Half with 1 Stud (Jumper)
* 		1745 Plate, Round 1 x 2 Half with 1 Stud (Jumper)
Parts: Plate, Round {Red}

When this is a "Tile, Round" (not Plate):

 
Part No: 18674 Name: Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Open Stud
* 		18674 Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Open Stud
Parts: Tile, Round {Orange}

This has bothered me too. I've always considered 18674 to be a round 2x2
jumper plate.
 Author: Turez View Messages Posted By Turez
 Posted: Jun 18, 2024 05:17
 Subject: Re: Plate, Modified?
 Viewed: 62 times
 Topic: Catalog
 Report:
Cancel Message
Cancel		Reply to Message
Reply
BrickLink
ID Card

Turez (47)

Location:  Germany, Niedersachsen
Member Since Contact Type Status
Sep 18, 2012 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store Closed Store: Zerut
BrickLink Catalog Administrator (?)
In Catalog, bahpstore writes:
  Have a similar question

Why is this a "Plate, Round":

 
Part No: 1745 Name: Plate, Round 1 x 2 Half with 1 Stud (Jumper)
* 		1745 Plate, Round 1 x 2 Half with 1 Stud (Jumper)
Parts: Plate, Round {Red}

When this is a "Tile, Round" (not Plate):

 
Part No: 18674 Name: Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Open Stud
* 		18674 Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Open Stud
Parts: Tile, Round {Orange}

For many years, categorization of new parts was often an arbitrary or random
decision made by the member who submitted the part and/or the admin who approved
it.
And now, the site won't let us fix such things.

See also https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1417759