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| | | Author: | aaronaar  | | Posted: | Mar 18, 2024 13:48 | | Subject: | Need "Item For Sale Condition" Clarification | | Viewed: | 248 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| Hi!
I didn't get a response from the help desk, so I'm asking here.
I noticed that I can part together some official sets using 100% new parts. Am
I allowed to list those sets as "new incomplete" if I mention in the
comments that I parted together the set myself using new parts and am missing
box/instructions/stickers? Or are you only allowed to list a set as "new
incomplete" if you only took items out of a NISB set?
If you are not allowed to list it as "new incomplete", could you list
it as "used incomplete" and say in the comments that you parted it together
using new parts and am missing box/instructions/stickers?
Given that:
"Custom sets or instructions may be listed, provided they do not infringe
on any intellectual property rights, including those of the LEGO Group."
I do not believe I could list it as a custom set instead?
Thanks for information and if possible would like clarification from an admin.
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| | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Mar 18, 2024 14:10 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Mar 18, 2024 14:27 | | Subject: | Re: Need "Item For Sale Condition" Clarification | | Viewed: | 111 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, aaronaar writes:
| | Hi!
I didn't get a response from the help desk, so I'm asking here.
I noticed that I can part together some official sets using 100% new parts. Am
I allowed to list those sets as "new incomplete" if I mention in the
comments that I parted together the set myself using new parts and am missing
box/instructions/stickers? Or are you only allowed to list a set as "new
incomplete" if you only took items out of a NISB set?
If you are not allowed to list it as "new incomplete", could you list
it as "used incomplete" and say in the comments that you parted it together
using new parts and am missing box/instructions/stickers?
Given that:
"Custom sets or instructions may be listed, provided they do not infringe
on any intellectual property rights, including those of the LEGO Group."
I do not believe I could list it as a custom set instead?
Thanks for information and if possible would like clarification from an admin.
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A good question. Real quickly...
Until you receive a definitive answer from on high; combine the guidelines of
the two sub-conditions below, taken together and in the absences of further TOS
enunciation on the topic, you get a bit closer
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=102
"Complete - Contents are brand new and may have been removed from their
plastic bags and handled for inventorying purposes only. Includes all contents
that originally came with set including extra parts, stickers, instructions (if
any) and original box/packaging.
Incomplete - Contents are brand new, but may have been removed from plastic bags
for inventory purposes or to remove other contents from the set. The set is missing
some of the contents, instructions or original box/packaging. The description
should clearly state what exactly is missing."
I'm gonna dig around some more though, see if there are more defined guidelines
-popsicle
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| | | | | | | Author: | aaronaar | | Posted: | Mar 18, 2024 21:20 | | Subject: | Re: Need "Item For Sale Condition" Clarification | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, popsicle writes:
| | In Selling, aaronaar writes:
| | Hi!
I didn't get a response from the help desk, so I'm asking here.
I noticed that I can part together some official sets using 100% new parts. Am
I allowed to list those sets as "new incomplete" if I mention in the
comments that I parted together the set myself using new parts and am missing
box/instructions/stickers? Or are you only allowed to list a set as "new
incomplete" if you only took items out of a NISB set?
If you are not allowed to list it as "new incomplete", could you list
it as "used incomplete" and say in the comments that you parted it together
using new parts and am missing box/instructions/stickers?
Given that:
"Custom sets or instructions may be listed, provided they do not infringe
on any intellectual property rights, including those of the LEGO Group."
I do not believe I could list it as a custom set instead?
Thanks for information and if possible would like clarification from an admin.
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A good question. Real quickly...
Until you receive a definitive answer from on high; combine the guidelines of
the two sub-conditions below, taken together and in the absences of further TOS
enunciation on the topic, you get a bit closer
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=102
"Complete - Contents are brand new and may have been removed from their
plastic bags and handled for inventorying purposes only. Includes all contents
that originally came with set including extra parts, stickers, instructions (if
any) and original box/packaging.
Incomplete - Contents are brand new, but may have been removed from plastic bags
for inventory purposes or to remove other contents from the set. The set is missing
some of the contents, instructions or original box/packaging. The description
should clearly state what exactly is missing."
I'm gonna dig around some more though, see if there are more defined guidelines
-popsicle
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Yes, please let me know if you find anything!
I’m not too concerned wether or not I can list it as new (incomplete). I’m
more than willing to list something like that as used (incomplete), and write
in the comments that it was parted together using new parts and is missing stickers
etc.
I’m more concerned wether I can list that under the set at all and not get in
trouble. I think it’s fine if you do that for used sets, but that isn’t explicitly
stated in the guidelines either. People seem to complete used sets and list them
all the time. I don’t see how parting together the whole thing would be any different.
Still, I would rather be safe than sorry and get some direct guidelines for this
type of thing before I go listing stuff.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | aaronaar | | Posted: | Mar 18, 2024 22:18 | | Subject: | Re: Need "Item For Sale Condition" Clarification | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, Nubs_Select writes:
In the listing you don’t mention that it was parted together, so nobody would
have known until now though, right? I think if you explicitly stated it was parted
together then maybe it would have been different
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Mar 18, 2024 22:26 | | Subject: | Re: Need "Item For Sale Condition" Clarification | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, aaronaar writes:
| | In Selling, Nubs_Select writes:
In the listing you don’t mention that it was parted together, so nobody would
have known until now though, right? I think if you explicitly stated it was parted
together then maybe it would have been different
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to the best of my knowledge, it isn't that rare of a thing and for sets listed
as used incomplete and missing all of the exclusive items to be assumed that
it was parted together. its a rather common thing so i wouldn't be to worried.
plus used sets it doesn't matter where the parts came from so long as it
matches the inventory so telling people it was parted together doesn't make
any difference at all
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2024 02:28 | | Subject: | Re: Need "Item For Sale Condition" Clarification | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, Nubs_Select writes:
There is nothing special or unique in that set so there shouldn't be an issue
with the listing. If there was a sticker sheet or decorated part that only came
in the set that is missing, then is it really the special set? If an incomplete
set should have a unique part that makes it the set and that piece is missing,
is it really the set?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2024 02:52 | | Subject: | Re: Need "Item For Sale Condition" Clarification | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, yorbrick writes:
| | In Selling, Nubs_Select writes:
There is nothing special or unique in that set so there shouldn't be an issue
with the listing. If there was a sticker sheet or decorated part that only came
in the set that is missing, then is it really the special set? If an incomplete
set should have a unique part that makes it the set and that piece is missing,
is it really the set?
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Except it is missing its instructions which are what make the set unique technically
speaking. But to the best of my knowledge bricklink isn’t worried with the “philosophical”
side of what makes a set a set as I’ve seen many listing for incomplete sets
that contain only a fraction of the parts for a sub build like a car or something
inside the set even if the rest of the set contained multiple other exclusive
parts so i don’t really see how this would be any different so as long as it’s
listed as incomplete then I don’t see why it wouldn’t be allowed
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2024 03:42 | | Subject: | Re: Need "Item For Sale Condition" Clarification | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, Nubs_Select writes:
| | In Selling, yorbrick writes:
| | In Selling, Nubs_Select writes:
There is nothing special or unique in that set so there shouldn't be an issue
with the listing. If there was a sticker sheet or decorated part that only came
in the set that is missing, then is it really the special set? If an incomplete
set should have a unique part that makes it the set and that piece is missing,
is it really the set?
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Except it is missing its instructions which are what make the set unique technically
speaking. But to the best of my knowledge bricklink isn’t worried with the “philosophical”
side of what makes a set a set as I’ve seen many listing for incomplete sets
that contain only a fraction of the parts for a sub build like a car or something
inside the set even if the rest of the set contained multiple other exclusive
parts so i don’t really see how this would be any different so as long as it’s
listed as incomplete then I don’t see why it wouldn’t be allowed
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The one I remember seeing it done on - Yoda's Lightsaber - was not a normal
retail set and supposedly special. Whether that is due to licensing or the nature
of the set, I don't know. If LEGO allow sales of a special product that is
missing what makes it special, does it devalue the actual product? That probably
is different to buying a retail set, taking out the minifigs and splitting the
rest into individual builds sold as incomplete sets.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2024 11:39 | | Subject: | Re: Need "Item For Sale Condition" Clarification | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, aaronaar writes:
| | In Selling, popsicle writes:
| | In Selling, aaronaar writes:
| | Hi!
I didn't get a response from the help desk, so I'm asking here.
I noticed that I can part together some official sets using 100% new parts. Am
I allowed to list those sets as "new incomplete" if I mention in the
comments that I parted together the set myself using new parts and am missing
box/instructions/stickers? Or are you only allowed to list a set as "new
incomplete" if you only took items out of a NISB set?
If you are not allowed to list it as "new incomplete", could you list
it as "used incomplete" and say in the comments that you parted it together
using new parts and am missing box/instructions/stickers?
Given that:
"Custom sets or instructions may be listed, provided they do not infringe
on any intellectual property rights, including those of the LEGO Group."
I do not believe I could list it as a custom set instead?
Thanks for information and if possible would like clarification from an admin.
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A good question. Real quickly...
Until you receive a definitive answer from on high; combine the guidelines of
the two sub-conditions below, taken together and in the absences of further TOS
enunciation on the topic, you get a bit closer
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=102
"Complete - Contents are brand new and may have been removed from their
plastic bags and handled for inventorying purposes only. Includes all contents
that originally came with set including extra parts, stickers, instructions (if
any) and original box/packaging.
Incomplete - Contents are brand new, but may have been removed from plastic bags
for inventory purposes or to remove other contents from the set. The set is missing
some of the contents, instructions or original box/packaging. The description
should clearly state what exactly is missing."
I'm gonna dig around some more though, see if there are more defined guidelines
-popsicle
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Yes, please let me know if you find anything!
I’m not too concerned wether or not I can list it as new (incomplete). I’m
more than willing to list something like that as used (incomplete), and write
in the comments that it was parted together using new parts and is missing stickers
etc.
I’m more concerned wether I can list that under the set at all and not get in
trouble. I think it’s fine if you do that for used sets, but that isn’t explicitly
stated in the guidelines either. People seem to complete used sets and list them
all the time. I don’t see how parting together the whole thing would be any different.
Still, I would rather be safe than sorry and get some direct guidelines for this
type of thing before I go listing stuff.
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You and others, now have clarification:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1460079
-popsicle
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| | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Mar 18, 2024 16:56 | | Subject: | Re: Need "Item For Sale Condition" Clarification | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, aaronaar writes:
| | Hi!
I didn't get a response from the help desk, so I'm asking here.
I noticed that I can part together some official sets using 100% new parts. Am
I allowed to list those sets as "new incomplete" if I mention in the
comments that I parted together the set myself using new parts and am missing
box/instructions/stickers? Or are you only allowed to list a set as "new
incomplete" if you only took items out of a NISB set?
If you are not allowed to list it as "new incomplete", could you list
it as "used incomplete" and say in the comments that you parted it together
using new parts and am missing box/instructions/stickers?
Given that:
"Custom sets or instructions may be listed, provided they do not infringe
on any intellectual property rights, including those of the LEGO Group."
I do not believe I could list it as a custom set instead?
Thanks for information and if possible would like clarification from an admin.
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I don't believe you are, although it might be dependent on the set. When
it first came out, someone was trying to sell
in a similar way, missing the only unique part (the decorated tile). They were
continually removed even though apparently listed correctly.
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| | | | | Author: | Brickman4you | | Posted: | Mar 18, 2024 19:58 | | Subject: | Re: Need "Item For Sale Condition" Clarification | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, aaronaar writes:
| | Hi!
I didn't get a response from the help desk, so I'm asking here.
I noticed that I can part together some official sets using 100% new parts. Am
I allowed to list those sets as "new incomplete" if I mention in the
comments that I parted together the set myself using new parts and am missing
box/instructions/stickers? Or are you only allowed to list a set as "new
incomplete" if you only took items out of a NISB set?
If you are not allowed to list it as "new incomplete", could you list
it as "used incomplete" and say in the comments that you parted it together
using new parts and am missing box/instructions/stickers?
Given that:
"Custom sets or instructions may be listed, provided they do not infringe
on any intellectual property rights, including those of the LEGO Group."
I do not believe I could list it as a custom set instead?
Thanks for information and if possible would like clarification from an admin.
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Not sure if you will get an answer from the team, but you "can't put
the genie back in the bottle". I don't think you are the first with
this idea, but I think anything along these lines is not going to be viewed as
new. Since most set pieces come in sealed bags, I think that is what allows
them to be considered NEW.
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| | | | | Author: | aaronaar | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2024 09:15 | | Subject: | Re: Need "Item For Sale Condition" Clarification | | Viewed: | 64 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, aaronaar writes:
| | Hi!
I didn't get a response from the help desk, so I'm asking here.
I noticed that I can part together some official sets using 100% new parts. Am
I allowed to list those sets as "new incomplete" if I mention in the
comments that I parted together the set myself using new parts and am missing
box/instructions/stickers? Or are you only allowed to list a set as "new
incomplete" if you only took items out of a NISB set?
If you are not allowed to list it as "new incomplete", could you list
it as "used incomplete" and say in the comments that you parted it together
using new parts and am missing box/instructions/stickers?
Given that:
"Custom sets or instructions may be listed, provided they do not infringe
on any intellectual property rights, including those of the LEGO Group."
I do not believe I could list it as a custom set instead?
Thanks for information and if possible would like clarification from an admin.
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Upon further investigation I have found at least one lot
https://store.bricklink.com/SortStation?itemID=336122737#/shop?o={%22invID%22:%22336122737%22}
where this exact scenario is listed as “new incomplete” and it has been listed
for over a year.
Wether this is due to it being allowed or simply never noticed is up for debate.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2024 11:09 | | Subject: | Re: Need "Item For Sale Condition" Clarification | | Viewed: | 113 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, aaronaar writes:
| | In Selling, aaronaar writes:
| | Hi!
I didn't get a response from the help desk, so I'm asking here.
I noticed that I can part together some official sets using 100% new parts. Am
I allowed to list those sets as "new incomplete" if I mention in the
comments that I parted together the set myself using new parts and am missing
box/instructions/stickers? Or are you only allowed to list a set as "new
incomplete" if you only took items out of a NISB set?
If you are not allowed to list it as "new incomplete", could you list
it as "used incomplete" and say in the comments that you parted it together
using new parts and am missing box/instructions/stickers?
Given that:
"Custom sets or instructions may be listed, provided they do not infringe
on any intellectual property rights, including those of the LEGO Group."
I do not believe I could list it as a custom set instead?
Thanks for information and if possible would like clarification from an admin.
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Upon further investigation I have found at least one lot
https://store.bricklink.com/SortStation?itemID=336122737#/shop?o={%22invID%22:%22336122737%22}
where this exact scenario is listed as “new incomplete” and it has been listed
for over a year.
Wether this is due to it being allowed or simply never noticed is up for debate.
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The big question here is whether that tile is original. There have been a few
fakes sold on BrickLink over the years before we caught them, so maybe it's
one of those.
In general, we do frown on used sets that have been BrickLinked, especially some
of the highly collectible ones like this:
But we don't proactively remove them. If they get reported, they will get
taken down though.
If someone wants to sell a collection of parts that may or may constitute a complete
set, they can always list it as a custom lot.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | aaronaar | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2024 21:25 | | Subject: | Re: Need "Item For Sale Condition" Clarification | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Selling, aaronaar writes:
| | In Selling, aaronaar writes:
| | Hi!
I didn't get a response from the help desk, so I'm asking here.
I noticed that I can part together some official sets using 100% new parts. Am
I allowed to list those sets as "new incomplete" if I mention in the
comments that I parted together the set myself using new parts and am missing
box/instructions/stickers? Or are you only allowed to list a set as "new
incomplete" if you only took items out of a NISB set?
If you are not allowed to list it as "new incomplete", could you list
it as "used incomplete" and say in the comments that you parted it together
using new parts and am missing box/instructions/stickers?
Given that:
"Custom sets or instructions may be listed, provided they do not infringe
on any intellectual property rights, including those of the LEGO Group."
I do not believe I could list it as a custom set instead?
Thanks for information and if possible would like clarification from an admin.
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Upon further investigation I have found at least one lot
https://store.bricklink.com/SortStation?itemID=336122737#/shop?o={%22invID%22:%22336122737%22}
where this exact scenario is listed as “new incomplete” and it has been listed
for over a year.
Wether this is due to it being allowed or simply never noticed is up for debate.
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The big question here is whether that tile is original. There have been a few
fakes sold on BrickLink over the years before we caught them, so maybe it's
one of those.
In general, we do frown on used sets that have been BrickLinked, especially some
of the highly collectible ones like this:
But we don't proactively remove them. If they get reported, they will get
taken down though.
If someone wants to sell a collection of parts that may or may constitute a complete
set, they can always list it as a custom lot.
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By custom lot, do you mean custom item or something different? Because as I mentioned
in the original post, a custom item of a set produced by Lego, that already has
a catalog entry, parted together or not, would technically be infringing on Lego's
intellectual property rights, and therefore not be allowed (correct me if I'm
wrong).
I'm still puzzled by all this. It sounds like the guidelines are more discretionary
than anything else. If a set has no exclusive parts, it sounds like you'd
be less likely to be reported and removed. But if you never mention it was "BrickLinked"
to begin with, nobody would ever know.
Therefore, if a seller doesn't self-snitch and "BrickLinks" a set
together and sells it, nobody would be the wiser?
I would feel much better saying to potential buyers that something was parted
together and have a chance of it being removed than say nothing. But what about
sellers who don't care? They wouldn't get punished while a seller trying
to be as upfront as possible would.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | zorbanj | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2024 23:55 | | Subject: | Re: Need "Item For Sale Condition" Clarification | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, aaronaar writes:
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I'm still puzzled by all this. It sounds like the guidelines are more discretionary
than anything else. If a set has no exclusive parts, it sounds like you'd
be less likely to be reported and removed. But if you never mention it was "BrickLinked"
to begin with, nobody would ever know.
Therefore, if a seller doesn't self-snitch and "BrickLinks" a set
together and sells it, nobody would be the wiser?
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You catch on fast 
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together and have a chance of it being removed than say nothing. But what about
sellers who don't care? They wouldn't get punished while a seller trying
to be as upfront as possible would.
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Focusing on what you're doing in your store and not worrying about what other
sellers *might* be doing is the key to long-term success around here. A seller
could easily sell a "BrickLinked" set on other platforms anyway.
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| | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Mar 19, 2024 11:40 | | Subject: | Re: Need "Item For Sale Condition" Clarification | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Selling | |
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| In Selling, aaronaar writes:
| | Hi! I didn't get a response from the help desk, so I'm asking here.
I do not believe I could list it as a custom set instead?
Thanks for information and if possible would like clarification from an admin.
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Now you have clarification:
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1460079
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