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 Author: Andy_Bell View Messages Posted By Andy_Bell
 Posted: Dec 5, 2023 08:35
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Andy_Bell (2366)

Location:  USA, Alabama
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I don't know if this is allowed...

Yesterday cart message said the store was closed for 2 hours on Dec 4. Today
the store page says it was closed for TOS on Dec 3rd


They were participants in the MOC pop up and generally have a positive feedback.

Is this store returning? Or should I just move on?


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 Author: Stellar View Messages Posted By Stellar
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In Terms and Policies, Andy_Bell writes:
  I don't know if this is allowed...

Yesterday cart message said the store was closed for 2 hours on Dec 4. Today
the store page says it was closed for TOS on Dec 3rd


They were participants in the MOC pop up and generally have a positive feedback.

Is this store returning? Or should I just move on?


AB

Maybe it is related to this:

https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=309457&nID=1304242
 Author: brickablocks View Messages Posted By brickablocks
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brickablocks (1327)

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Stores like this are the reason I am in favor of removing the option for sellers
to leave feedback on buyers. Even though I am a seller. If this store can co-locate
inventory on 2 continents and maintain high feedback scores through extortion,
it brings the reputation of this site down for everybody.



In Terms and Policies, Stellar writes:
  In Terms and Policies, Andy_Bell writes:
  I don't know if this is allowed...

Yesterday cart message said the store was closed for 2 hours on Dec 4. Today
the store page says it was closed for TOS on Dec 3rd


They were participants in the MOC pop up and generally have a positive feedback.

Is this store returning? Or should I just move on?


AB

Maybe it is related to this:

https://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=309457&nID=1304242
 Author: wildchicken13 View Messages Posted By wildchicken13
 Posted: Dec 5, 2023 09:57
 Subject: Re: Kentuckiana Bricks
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wildchicken13 (875)

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In Terms and Policies, brickablocks writes:
  Stores like this are the reason I am in favor of removing the option for sellers
to leave feedback on buyers. Even though I am a seller. If this store can co-locate
inventory on 2 continents and maintain high feedback scores through extortion,
it brings the reputation of this site down for everybody.

I can understand why this kind of behavior might be illegal, but I fail to see
how it is damaging to the reputation of the site. I have ordered from Kentuckiana
Bricks several times. Yes, their shipping is slow. But other than that, everything
was fine. Besides, amyfol does not extort positive feedback from buyers. They
have hundreds of negatives and neutrals.
 Author: brickablocks View Messages Posted By brickablocks
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I dont know if I buy that simply disclosing you are going to provide a terrible
buying experience should serve as a shield against criticism. If I see a store
say it may take 3 weeks to ship, I might err on the side of it being slow for
them right now and maybe they will ship quicker. Or maybe that is an exaggeration
to cover their butt during the holidays. However, if I see a lot of honest feedback
saying that it definitely takes at least that long and sometimes way longer,
I would appreciate the insight.






In Terms and Policies, wildchicken13 writes:
 Author: wildchicken13 View Messages Posted By wildchicken13
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In Terms and Policies, brickablocks writes:
  I dont know if I buy that simply disclosing you are going to provide a terrible
buying experience should serve as a shield against criticism. If I see a store
say it may take 3 weeks to ship, I might err on the side of it being slow for
them right now and maybe they will ship quicker. Or maybe that is an exaggeration
to cover their butt during the holidays. However, if I see a lot of honest feedback
saying that it definitely takes at least that long and sometimes way longer,
I would appreciate the insight.

My experience with amyfol wasn't terrible, though. I checked their feedback,
I saw all of the complaints about slow shipping, and I decided to take the risk.
A few weeks later, my order arrived just fine.
 Author: Fr0stByt3 View Messages Posted By Fr0stByt3
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In Terms and Policies, wildchicken13 writes:
  In Terms and Policies, brickablocks writes:
  I dont know if I buy that simply disclosing you are going to provide a terrible
buying experience should serve as a shield against criticism. If I see a store
say it may take 3 weeks to ship, I might err on the side of it being slow for
them right now and maybe they will ship quicker. Or maybe that is an exaggeration
to cover their butt during the holidays. However, if I see a lot of honest feedback
saying that it definitely takes at least that long and sometimes way longer,
I would appreciate the insight.

My experience with amyfol wasn't terrible, though. I checked their feedback,
I saw all of the complaints about slow shipping, and I decided to take the risk.
A few weeks later, my order arrived just fine.

My experience wasn't too bad either. People are right in that shipping is
a bit slow. I ordered the 17th of September and it arrived the 28th according
to the tracking. I just think that the reason it was slow was because they get
a large volume of orders; I don't usually jump the gun anyway on blaming
someone because it can lead to trouble.

I'd say the most terrible part of that order was it coming in smelling like
heavy perfume. It gave me a headache but that may very well be because my order
was under someone's order from Bath & Body Works in shipment or something.
Certainly not the seller's fault and I didn't blame them for that in
my feedback.
 Author: cosmicray View Messages Posted By cosmicray
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In Terms and Policies, brickablocks writes:
  I dont know if I buy that simply disclosing you are going to provide a terrible
buying experience should serve as a shield against criticism. If I see a store
say it may take 3 weeks to ship, I might err on the side of it being slow for
them right now and maybe they will ship quicker. Or maybe that is an exaggeration
to cover their butt during the holidays. However, if I see a lot of honest feedback
saying that it definitely takes at least that long and sometimes way longer,
I would appreciate the insight.

What may be missing here, is something that displays more recent real world
performance
than feedback. Right now we are entering tracking information
(for US sellers shipping to US, presumably other countries do likewise). That
tracking will easily show when the package was accepted, and when it was delivered.
That information, when combined with when the order was placed, could paint a
very real picture of the seller's performance. Digging thru Terms/Policies
to see what to expect for a full round trip is fine and well and good,
but being able to display actual performance would show a more clear picture
about what is happening.

Nita Rae
 Author: zorbanj View Messages Posted By zorbanj
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In Terms and Policies, brickablocks writes:
  Stores like this are the reason I am in favor of removing the option for sellers
to leave feedback on buyers. Even though I am a seller.

Years ago, Ebay removed a seller's ability to leave feedback. The result
was an explosion of buyer extortion and theft. Every transaction has two counter-parties,
and both should be allowed to leave feedback. Even on BL, bad/neutral feedback
is far more damaging to the seller than the buyer.


  If this store can co-locate
inventory on 2 continents and maintain high feedback scores through extortion,
it brings the reputation of this site down for everybody.

What extortion? How are they doing this?
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
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  Years ago, Ebay removed a seller's ability to leave feedback. The result
was an explosion of buyer extortion and theft. Every transaction has two counter-parties,
and both should be allowed to leave feedback. Even on BL, bad/neutral feedback
is far more damaging to the seller than the buyer.


Sellers can still leave feedback for buyers on ebay, they just can't leave
neutral or negative feedback.
 Author: popsicle View Messages Posted By popsicle
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In Terms and Policies, yorbrick writes:
  
  Years ago, Ebay removed a seller's ability to leave feedback. The result
was an explosion of buyer extortion and theft. Every transaction has two counter-parties,
and both should be allowed to leave feedback. Even on BL, bad/neutral feedback
is far more damaging to the seller than the buyer.


Sellers can still leave feedback for buyers on ebay, they just can't leave
neutral or negative feedback.

And so what does such restricted expression contribute to any site? What value
does feedback offer, if not unrestricted? What is the fundamental purpose of
feedback in e-commerce transactions?

Good questions...

Ludicrous, is the best adjective for such policies. Perhaps "useless"
is a fitting descriptive too
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  And so what does such restricted expression contribute to any site? What value
does feedback offer, if not unrestricted? What is the fundamental purpose of
feedback in e-commerce transactions?

Good questions...

Ludicrous, is the best adjective for such policies. Perhaps "useless"
is a fitting descriptive too

I think a better solution would be no feedback at all for buyers. I cannot really
see the point of it. If eBay really feels buyers need a number to record their
activity, they could just automate it a give a buyer a +1 score for every order
they pay for and call it number of purchases. Whereas feedback for sellers is
useful, to help decide whether a seller gives good service or not.
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In Terms and Policies, yorbrick writes:
  
  And so what does such restricted expression contribute to any site? What value
does feedback offer, if not unrestricted? What is the fundamental purpose of
feedback in e-commerce transactions?

Good questions...

Ludicrous, is the best adjective for such policies. Perhaps "useless"
is a fitting descriptive too

I think a better solution would be no feedback at all for buyers. I cannot really
see the point of it. If eBay really feels buyers need a number to record their
activity, they could just automate it a give a buyer a +1 score for every order
they pay for and call it number of purchases. Whereas feedback for sellers is
useful, to help decide whether a seller gives good service or not.

Not much difference from: No feedback is to be issued from seller unless praise
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In Terms and Policies, popsicle writes:
  In Terms and Policies, yorbrick writes:
  
  And so what does such restricted expression contribute to any site? What value
does feedback offer, if not unrestricted? What is the fundamental purpose of
feedback in e-commerce transactions?

Good questions...

Ludicrous, is the best adjective for such policies. Perhaps "useless"
is a fitting descriptive too

I think a better solution would be no feedback at all for buyers. I cannot really
see the point of it. If eBay really feels buyers need a number to record their
activity, they could just automate it a give a buyer a +1 score for every order
they pay for and call it number of purchases. Whereas feedback for sellers is
useful, to help decide whether a seller gives good service or not.

Not much difference from: No feedback is to be issued from seller unless praise

The difference is a seller doesn't need to do it, and at least it becomes
a meaningful
(even if useless) statistic. The number of orders placed would be counted no
matter which seller the order was placed with whereas currently, it is a measure
of how many sellers can be bothered to leave positive feedback for the buyer
paying.
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In Terms and Policies, yorbrick writes:
  In Terms and Policies, popsicle writes:
  In Terms and Policies, yorbrick writes:
  
  And so what does such restricted expression contribute to any site? What value
does feedback offer, if not unrestricted? What is the fundamental purpose of
feedback in e-commerce transactions?

Good questions...

Ludicrous, is the best adjective for such policies. Perhaps "useless"
is a fitting descriptive too

I think a better solution would be no feedback at all for buyers. I cannot really
see the point of it. If eBay really feels buyers need a number to record their
activity, they could just automate it a give a buyer a +1 score for every order
they pay for and call it number of purchases. Whereas feedback for sellers is
useful, to help decide whether a seller gives good service or not.

Not much difference from: No feedback is to be issued from seller unless praise

The difference is a seller doesn't need to do it, and at least it becomes
a meaningful
(even if useless) statistic. The number of orders placed would be counted no
matter which seller the order was placed with whereas currently, it is a measure
of how many sellers can be bothered to leave positive feedback for the buyer
paying.

Sorry, still nonsensical to my mind. Address the questions I earlier asked, and
maybe I'll better understand...

"And so what does such restricted expression contribute to any site? What
value does feedback offer, if not unrestricted? What is the fundamental purpose
of feedback in e-commerce transactions?"
 Author: 1001bricks View Messages Posted By 1001bricks
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  "And so what does such restricted expression contribute to any site? What
value does feedback offer, if not unrestricted? What is the fundamental purpose
of feedback in e-commerce transactions?"

That's an old concept IMHO.

Buying a product on line is nowadays just plain normal.

You order, pay and get the product - just as in a grocery shop.

I don't see anything else I'd say than (a big) "Thank you!" to
all and every buyer paying.

And I won't discriminate any of them using a different feedback.
So, no, and especially for buyers, (positive) feedback has no specific meaning
for me.
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In Terms and Policies, 1001bricks writes:
  
  "And so what does such restricted expression contribute to any site? What
value does feedback offer, if not unrestricted? What is the fundamental purpose
of feedback in e-commerce transactions?"

That's an old concept IMHO.

Buying a product on line is nowadays just plain normal.

You order, pay and get the product - just as in a grocery shop.

I don't see anything else I'd say than (a big) "Thank you!" to
all and every buyer paying.

And I won't discriminate any of them using a different feedback.
So, no, and especially for buyers, (positive) feedback has no specific meaning
for me.

Good. Thanks for your take on it...

Whether I agree or even understand, I appreciate your candor always
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"And so what does such restricted expression contribute to any site? What
value does feedback offer, if not unrestricted? What is the fundamental purpose
of feedback in e-commerce transactions?"

For me, the key reason for feedback is so that buyers can be reassured that the
stranger they are buying from is likely to send what they order. That is, only
seller feedback is important.

However, I believe other people feel the need to be rewarded when they buy, to
somehow show what a great buyer they are. Buyer feedback does this, even though
sellers cannot really use any of the information to restrict buyers if they are
not good. Both here and ebay, I find buyers often won't leave feedback if
they haven't received theirs indicating that it is importantfor them.

A problem with feedback is how it evolved from the original ebay model. Back
in the early days it did not measure only transaction related feelings. It measured
the receiver as a person, as it was not transaction related. You could leave
it for any reason you liked, even if you had not bought from or sold to the receiver.
Even after going to transaction related data, that still hangs over the feedback
system, with buyers feeling they deserve feedback for paying and that a long
history of feedback shows how great they have been.
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In Terms and Policies, yorbrick writes:
  
  
"And so what does such restricted expression contribute to any site? What
value does feedback offer, if not unrestricted? What is the fundamental purpose
of feedback in e-commerce transactions?"

For me, the key reason for feedback is so that buyers can be reassured that the
stranger they are buying from is likely to send what they order. That is, only
seller feedback is important.

However, I believe other people feel the need to be rewarded when they buy, to
somehow show what a great buyer they are. Buyer feedback does this, even though
sellers cannot really use any of the information to restrict buyers if they are
not good. Both here and ebay, I find buyers often won't leave feedback if
they haven't received theirs indicating that it is importantfor them.

A problem with feedback is how it evolved from the original ebay model. Back
in the early days it did not measure only transaction related feelings. It measured
the receiver as a person, as it was not transaction related. You could leave
it for any reason you liked, even if you had not bought from or sold to the receiver.
Even after going to transaction related data, that still hangs over the feedback
system, with buyers feeling they deserve feedback for paying and that a long
history of feedback shows how great they have been.

Good read and solid points made. Thanks
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In Terms and Policies, yorbrick writes:
  
  And so what does such restricted expression contribute to any site? What value
does feedback offer, if not unrestricted? What is the fundamental purpose of
feedback in e-commerce transactions?

Good questions...

Ludicrous, is the best adjective for such policies. Perhaps "useless"
is a fitting descriptive too

I think a better solution would be no feedback at all for buyers. I cannot really
see the point of it. If eBay really feels buyers need a number to record their
activity, they could just automate it a give a buyer a +1 score for every order
they pay for and call it number of purchases. Whereas feedback for sellers is
useful, to help decide whether a seller gives good service or not.

I kind of agree with this.

Much more I can't post a different feedback to every buyer, and even if I
could I wouldn't because why make them jealous of the others with "Unbelievably
fine buyer and nice order, thank you!!!!".

In this case of feedback, what about the others? Are they less fine, are their
order less nice?

So it's just the same 'stupid' feedback to all I post for this reason.

A simple automatic "+1" would be fine for me, as long as there's
no dispute, the buyer paid and the order's been shipped.
 Author: zorbanj View Messages Posted By zorbanj
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I suppose I should have said sellers can't leave *real* feedback.

In Terms and Policies, yorbrick writes:
  
  Years ago, Ebay removed a seller's ability to leave feedback. The result
was an explosion of buyer extortion and theft. Every transaction has two counter-parties,
and both should be allowed to leave feedback. Even on BL, bad/neutral feedback
is far more damaging to the seller than the buyer.


Sellers can still leave feedback for buyers on ebay, they just can't leave
neutral or negative feedback.
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In Terms and Policies, zorbanj writes:
  In Terms and Policies, brickablocks writes:
  Stores like this are the reason I am in favor of removing the option for sellers
to leave feedback on buyers. Even though I am a seller.

Years ago, Ebay removed a seller's ability to leave feedback. The result
was an explosion of buyer extortion and theft. Every transaction has two counter-parties,
and both should be allowed to leave feedback. Even on BL, bad/neutral feedback
is far more damaging to the seller than the buyer.




I leave bad "Positive" feedback in all caps anyway. It at least makes
me feel better, but I know it'll get buried. The return policies on ebay
gets abused and we have no way to warn other sellers. If that happened here,
sellers would riot


I'm so so so fed up with Ebay for so many reasons. I've been transitioning
to other platforms
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pitz8008 (14738)

Location:  USA, Illinois
Member Since Contact Type Status
Dec 30, 2009 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: 0 The Pitz Playhouse
In Terms and Policies, Adjour writes:
  In Terms and Policies, zorbanj writes:
  In Terms and Policies, brickablocks writes:
  Stores like this are the reason I am in favor of removing the option for sellers
to leave feedback on buyers. Even though I am a seller.

Years ago, Ebay removed a seller's ability to leave feedback. The result
was an explosion of buyer extortion and theft. Every transaction has two counter-parties,
and both should be allowed to leave feedback. Even on BL, bad/neutral feedback
is far more damaging to the seller than the buyer.




I leave bad "Positive" feedback in all caps anyway. It at least makes
me feel better, but I know it'll get buried. The return policies on ebay
gets abused and we have no way to warn other sellers. If that happened here,
sellers would riot

Actually, I knew a guy was trying to scam me once with some GI JOE figures I
sent him on Ebay. I checked his feedback and he had a "positive" feedback
left within the last month from a seller that basically detailed the exact same
situation I was dealing with from the buyer. So I contacted the seller who left
the feedback. Since we both had the exact same stories, she called Ebay and they
gave her money back to her. Since my problems were still in the reporting stage,
I called Ebay and they sided with me as well. So leaving "positive" feedback
with great detail can still help out greatly.
  

I'm so so so fed up with Ebay for so many reasons. I've been transitioning
to other platforms
 Author: Adjour View Messages Posted By Adjour
 Posted: Dec 6, 2023 17:59
 Subject: Re: Kentuckiana Bricks
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Adjour (2453)

Location:  USA, Tennessee
Member Since Contact Type Status
Aug 1, 2016 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: The Chili is a Bit Spicy
In Terms and Policies, pitz8008 writes:
  In Terms and Policies, Adjour writes:
  In Terms and Policies, zorbanj writes:
  In Terms and Policies, brickablocks writes:
  Stores like this are the reason I am in favor of removing the option for sellers
to leave feedback on buyers. Even though I am a seller.

Years ago, Ebay removed a seller's ability to leave feedback. The result
was an explosion of buyer extortion and theft. Every transaction has two counter-parties,
and both should be allowed to leave feedback. Even on BL, bad/neutral feedback
is far more damaging to the seller than the buyer.




I leave bad "Positive" feedback in all caps anyway. It at least makes
me feel better, but I know it'll get buried. The return policies on ebay
gets abused and we have no way to warn other sellers. If that happened here,
sellers would riot

Actually, I knew a guy was trying to scam me once with some GI JOE figures I
sent him on Ebay. I checked his feedback and he had a "positive" feedback
left within the last month from a seller that basically detailed the exact same
situation I was dealing with from the buyer. So I contacted the seller who left
the feedback. Since we both had the exact same stories, she called Ebay and they
gave her money back to her. Since my problems were still in the reporting stage,
I called Ebay and they sided with me as well. So leaving "positive" feedback
with great detail can still help out greatly.
  

I'm so so so fed up with Ebay for so many reasons. I've been transitioning
to other platforms


I'm so glad to hear that worked for someone.

Yeah, I sell vintage toys in general, and of course, flaws exist. Buyers don't
read descriptions and since I don't accept returns, they lie and file "not
as described" claims. I've spent hours on the phone and chat with ebay,
they side with me, end the convo telling me I'll be reimbursed, dont'
do it, and then force a return anyway. Annoying.
 Author: pitz8008 View Messages Posted By pitz8008
 Posted: Dec 6, 2023 23:09
 Subject: Re: Kentuckiana Bricks
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pitz8008 (14738)

Location:  USA, Illinois
Member Since Contact Type Status
Dec 30, 2009 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: 0 The Pitz Playhouse
In Terms and Policies, Adjour writes:
  In Terms and Policies, pitz8008 writes:
  In Terms and Policies, Adjour writes:
  In Terms and Policies, zorbanj writes:
  In Terms and Policies, brickablocks writes:
  Stores like this are the reason I am in favor of removing the option for sellers
to leave feedback on buyers. Even though I am a seller.

Years ago, Ebay removed a seller's ability to leave feedback. The result
was an explosion of buyer extortion and theft. Every transaction has two counter-parties,
and both should be allowed to leave feedback. Even on BL, bad/neutral feedback
is far more damaging to the seller than the buyer.




I leave bad "Positive" feedback in all caps anyway. It at least makes
me feel better, but I know it'll get buried. The return policies on ebay
gets abused and we have no way to warn other sellers. If that happened here,
sellers would riot

Actually, I knew a guy was trying to scam me once with some GI JOE figures I
sent him on Ebay. I checked his feedback and he had a "positive" feedback
left within the last month from a seller that basically detailed the exact same
situation I was dealing with from the buyer. So I contacted the seller who left
the feedback. Since we both had the exact same stories, she called Ebay and they
gave her money back to her. Since my problems were still in the reporting stage,
I called Ebay and they sided with me as well. So leaving "positive" feedback
with great detail can still help out greatly.
  

I'm so so so fed up with Ebay for so many reasons. I've been transitioning
to other platforms


I'm so glad to hear that worked for someone.

Yeah, I sell vintage toys in general, and of course, flaws exist. Buyers don't
read descriptions and since I don't accept returns, they lie and file "not
as described" claims. I've spent hours on the phone and chat with ebay,
they side with me, end the convo telling me I'll be reimbursed, dont'
do it, and then force a return anyway. Annoying.

If it makes you feel any better, you just described a few of my experiences to
the T. I don't accept returns either. And for the life of me, I don't
understand how somebody can purchase something on Ebay and not take the time
to read the description. What's even more frustrating is the painstaking
effort I take to make all of my listings overly descriptive so there can be zero
confusion.
 Author: Adjour View Messages Posted By Adjour
 Posted: Dec 5, 2023 18:02
 Subject: Re: Kentuckiana Bricks
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Adjour (2453)

Location:  USA, Tennessee
Member Since Contact Type Status
Aug 1, 2016 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: The Chili is a Bit Spicy
A store with hundreds of Negs is likely not doing this.


I have seen other stores with 10k orders feedback still at 100%. Which I personally
find to be dubious



They took away our ability to leave negs for buyers on ebay, trust me its not
a good system
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 Posted: Dec 5, 2023 13:58
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andesf (91)

Location:  USA, New York
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Jul 18, 2023 Contact Member Buyer
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In Terms and Policies, Andy_Bell writes:
  I don't know if this is allowed...

Yesterday cart message said the store was closed for 2 hours on Dec 4. Today
the store page says it was closed for TOS on Dec 3rd


They were participants in the MOC pop up and generally have a positive feedback.

Is this store returning? Or should I just move on?


AB

Well, I have a pending order from there and they are not responding to me.
 Author: peregrinator View Messages Posted By peregrinator
 Posted: Dec 5, 2023 14:14
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peregrinator (770)

Location:  USA, New Jersey
Member Since Contact Type Status
Jan 21, 2003 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: Faber Family Bricks
In Terms and Policies, andesf writes:
  In Terms and Policies, Andy_Bell writes:
  I don't know if this is allowed...

Yesterday cart message said the store was closed for 2 hours on Dec 4. Today
the store page says it was closed for TOS on Dec 3rd


They were participants in the MOC pop up and generally have a positive feedback.

Is this store returning? Or should I just move on?


AB

Well, I have a pending order from there and they are not responding to me.

I don't know how long ago you ordered but their shipping is very slow, and
because of their fulfillment process they might not be able to answer a question
about your order at this point in time. I would expect that your order will (eventually)
be fulfilled - they are a legitimate business, even if their processing is a
bit strange by BrickLink standards.
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 Posted: Dec 5, 2023 18:03
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Adjour (2453)

Location:  USA, Tennessee
Member Since Contact Type Status
Aug 1, 2016 Contact Member Seller
Buying Privileges - OKSelling Privileges - OK
Store: The Chili is a Bit Spicy
In Terms and Policies, andesf writes:
  In Terms and Policies, Andy_Bell writes:
  I don't know if this is allowed...

Yesterday cart message said the store was closed for 2 hours on Dec 4. Today
the store page says it was closed for TOS on Dec 3rd


They were participants in the MOC pop up and generally have a positive feedback.

Is this store returning? Or should I just move on?


AB

Well, I have a pending order from there and they are not responding to me.

They probably have 50 messages by now. Give it time
 Author: BricksAndOccult View Messages Posted By BricksAndOccult
 Posted: Dec 6, 2023 15:09
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BricksAndOccult (76)

Location:  USA, Florida
Member Since Contact Type Status
Dec 28, 2016 Contact Member Buyer
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In Terms and Policies, andesf writes:
  In Terms and Policies, Andy_Bell writes:
  I don't know if this is allowed...

Yesterday cart message said the store was closed for 2 hours on Dec 4. Today
the store page says it was closed for TOS on Dec 3rd


They were participants in the MOC pop up and generally have a positive feedback.

Is this store returning? Or should I just move on?


AB

Well, I have a pending order from there and they are not responding to me.

I reached out to them and they advised that there would be no impact to my order.
Status is currently at 'Packed'
 Author: amyfol View Messages Posted By amyfol
 Posted: Dec 6, 2023 15:40
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amyfol (58618)

Location:  USA, Kentucky
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Oct 30, 2013 Member Does Not Allow Contact Seller
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Store Closed Store: Kentuckiana Bricks
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