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 Author: Brickman4you View Messages Posted By Brickman4you
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The one you got in school class, reeked of chemicals but you smell it anyways,
not knowing any better it may cause cancer…

The former is just what gym class smelled like!
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In General, Brickman4you writes:
  The one you got in school class, reeked of chemicals but you smell it anyways,
not knowing any better it may cause cancer…

The former is just what gym class smelled like!

Uh oh, looks like someone didn't change their password.
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In General, crazylegoman writes:
  In General, Brickman4you writes:
  The one you got in school class, reeked of chemicals but you smell it anyways,
not knowing any better it may cause cancer…

The former is just what gym class smelled like!

Uh oh, looks like someone didn't change their password.

If you can prove your old enough I will explain the joke, or you can start up
a google session...
 Author: rtzx9r View Messages Posted By rtzx9r
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In General, Brickman4you writes:
  In General, crazylegoman writes:
  In General, Brickman4you writes:
  The one you got in school class, reeked of chemicals but you smell it anyways,
not knowing any better it may cause cancer…

The former is just what gym class smelled like!

Uh oh, looks like someone didn't change their password.

If you can prove your old enough I will explain the joke, or you can start up
a google session...

Do you mean a Mimeograph… as in the purple ink copy of a worksheet used in schools?
 Author: Brickman4you View Messages Posted By Brickman4you
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In General, rtzx9r writes:
  In General, Brickman4you writes:
  In General, crazylegoman writes:
  In General, Brickman4you writes:
  The one you got in school class, reeked of chemicals but you smell it anyways,
not knowing any better it may cause cancer…

The former is just what gym class smelled like!

Uh oh, looks like someone didn't change their password.

If you can prove your old enough I will explain the joke, or you can start up
a google session...

Do you mean a Mimeograph… as in the purple ink copy of a worksheet used in schools?

You are correct, and I guess I'm too old... So not only are the younger
generations need to understand this is a joke with sarcasm, but now have to google
"Xerox vs Mimeograph".
 Author: Nubs_Select View Messages Posted By Nubs_Select
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  "Xerox vs Mimeograph".

I guess I’m one of those younger ones as I havnt heard either of those words
ever before but as a younger generation 1 thing I’ve learned is to never
google something that people say you should google…
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In General, Nubs_Select writes:
  
  "Xerox vs Mimeograph".

I guess I’m one of those younger ones as I havnt heard either of those words
ever before but as a younger generation 1 thing I’ve learned is to never
google something that people say you should google…

Don't worry it will be a Black and white, grainy, documentary video on YouTube
- (before VHS, and please don't ask me what VHS stands for).
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In General, Brickman4you writes:
  In General, Nubs_Select writes:
  
  "Xerox vs Mimeograph".

I guess I’m one of those younger ones as I havnt heard either of those words
ever before but as a younger generation 1 thing I’ve learned is to never
google something that people say you should google…

Don't worry it will be a Black and white, grainy, documentary video on YouTube
- (before VHS, and please don't ask me what VHS stands for).

No worries I grew up with vhs as when growing up we were always 5-10 years behind
tech wise
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In General, Brickman4you writes:
  In General, Nubs_Select writes:
  
  "Xerox vs Mimeograph".

I guess I’m one of those younger ones as I havnt heard either of those words
ever before but as a younger generation 1 thing I’ve learned is to never
google something that people say you should google…

Don't worry it will be a Black and white, grainy, documentary video on YouTube
- (before VHS, and please don't ask me what VHS stands for).

black & white, grainy, "documentary" . . . sounds like something found
hidden in the attic near to the Super-8 projector?

(VHS - Video Home System)
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In General, Brickman4you writes:
  In General, Nubs_Select writes:
  
  "Xerox vs Mimeograph".

I guess I’m one of those younger ones as I havnt heard either of those words
ever before but as a younger generation 1 thing I’ve learned is to never
google something that people say you should google…

Don't worry it will be a Black and white, grainy, documentary video on YouTube
- (before VHS, and please don't ask me what VHS stands for).

What about LaserDiscs?
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The good old days ( not ) of Betamax, squarials and even older comptometers etc.

I remember using the duplicating machines and the fluid used for sealing cracks
in the master copy, hand cranked for first few to check quality of copy then
switching to automatic, great clunking sound as it turned.





In General, Fr0stByt3 writes:
  In General, Brickman4you writes:
  In General, Nubs_Select writes:
  
  "Xerox vs Mimeograph".

I guess I’m one of those younger ones as I havnt heard either of those words
ever before but as a younger generation 1 thing I’ve learned is to never
google something that people say you should google…

Don't worry it will be a Black and white, grainy, documentary video on YouTube
- (before VHS, and please don't ask me what VHS stands for).

What about LaserDiscs?
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In General, Brickman4you writes:
  The one you got in school class, reeked of chemicals but you smell it anyways,
not knowing any better it may cause cancer…

The former is just what gym class smelled like!


God I hated that smell... Stupid Drum machine Chur-thuck-swish. God Forbid you
had the #1 Class room in the morning with someone running copies, the smell was
horrible. I remember one of the Girls Tossing her Breakfast right on the teachers
desk.
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In General, Brickman4you writes:
  The one you got in school class, reeked of chemicals but you smell it anyways,
not knowing any better it may cause cancer…

The former is just what gym class smelled like!

The buyer and seller features at BO are more like a colour photocopy compared
to the old tech of B&W copies.
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In General, yorbrick writes:
  In General, Brickman4you writes:
  The one you got in school class, reeked of chemicals but you smell it anyways,
not knowing any better it may cause cancer…

The former is just what gym class smelled like!

The buyer and seller features at BO are more like a colour photocopy compared
to the old tech of B&W copies.

So what you are saying BO made a better color copier and that gave them the right
to steal and harvest all the data and property of Bricklink. Not to mention
everyday Bricklink is allowing the flow of data between the two sites, causing
added cost/traffic/security risk and in my option not the best business decision.
Most BO sellers continue to use Bricklinks database to do all their daily tasks,
make most of their profits from, then continue to support Brickowl. All the
complaining, when it is down or slow, its just funny irony…
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In General, Brickman4you writes:
  In General, yorbrick writes:
  In General, Brickman4you writes:
  The one you got in school class, reeked of chemicals but you smell it anyways,
not knowing any better it may cause cancer…

The former is just what gym class smelled like!

The buyer and seller features at BO are more like a colour photocopy compared
to the old tech of B&W copies.

So what you are saying BO made a better color copier and that gave them the right
to steal and harvest all the data and property of Bricklink. Not to mention
everyday Bricklink is allowing the flow of data between the two sites, causing
added cost/traffic/security risk and in my option not the best business decision.
Most BO sellers continue to use Bricklinks database to do all their daily tasks,
make most of their profits from, then continue to support Brickowl. All the
complaining, when it is down or slow, its just funny irony…

They didn't steal data or property from bricklink. If you remember at the
time there was a legal statement made about it, and all data (such as images)
on brickowl has been crowd sourced. The numbering system that bricklink owns
has not been used on brickowl, they use their own numbering based on lego set
and part numbers and occasionally on other databases, but not bricklink.

What data does bricklink allow to flow between the sites? As far as I am aware,
no sales data flows between them and BO cannot access individual BL sellers'
accounts. Sales data does flow from bricklink to the individual sellers. What
they then do with their sales data that has been downloaded has nothing to do
with bricklink. Brickowl does not have any tools to use the bricklink order data,
but there are third party tools that do this. BO doesn't care where the other
sales were made, whether it was on BL or another marketplace.

If bricklink wanted to reduce their traffic to their paying customers (sellers),
they can remove API access. But they allow it since many sellers rely on their
own software (home built or third party) to process orders and inventory.

The comparison of modern vs old tech I was making is based on the availability
and types of tools. For example, on BO, instant checkout was available from the
start and orders had to have postage costs submitted before they are binding.
Whereas that is still not the case here.
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In General, yorbrick writes:
  In General, Brickman4you writes:
  In General, yorbrick writes:
  In General, Brickman4you writes:
  The one you got in school class, reeked of chemicals but you smell it anyways,
not knowing any better it may cause cancer…

The former is just what gym class smelled like!

The buyer and seller features at BO are more like a colour photocopy compared
to the old tech of B&W copies.

So what you are saying BO made a better color copier and that gave them the right
to steal and harvest all the data and property of Bricklink. Not to mention
everyday Bricklink is allowing the flow of data between the two sites, causing
added cost/traffic/security risk and in my option not the best business decision.
Most BO sellers continue to use Bricklinks database to do all their daily tasks,
make most of their profits from, then continue to support Brickowl. All the
complaining, when it is down or slow, its just funny irony…



  They didn't steal data or property from bricklink. If you remember at the
time there was a legal statement made about it, and all data (such as images)
on brickowl has been crowd sourced. The numbering system that bricklink owns
has not been used on brickowl, they use their own numbering based on lego set
and part numbers and occasionally on other databases, but not bricklink.

What data does bricklink allow to flow between the sites? As far as I am aware,
no sales data flows between them and BO cannot access individual BL sellers'
accounts. Sales data does flow from bricklink to the individual sellers. What
they then do with their sales data that has been downloaded has nothing to do
with bricklink. Brickowl does not have any tools to use the bricklink order data,
but there are third party tools that do this. BO doesn't care where the other
sales were made, whether it was on BL or another marketplace.

If bricklink wanted to reduce their traffic to their paying customers (sellers),
they can remove API access. But they allow it since many sellers rely on their
own software (home built or third party) to process orders and inventory.

The comparison of modern vs old tech I was making is based on the availability
and types of tools. For example, on BO, instant checkout was available from the
start and orders had to have postage costs submitted before they are binding.
Whereas that is still not the case here.

Well I think we got it all figured out, Brickowl needs Bricklink but Bricklink
does not need Brickowl. Pull the plug...
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  Well I think we got it all figured out, Brickowl needs Bricklink but Bricklink
does not need Brickowl. Pull the plug...

What is the plug?

Bricklink has no right to stop brickowl from operating, so they cannot pull that
plug.

If you mean the API, then you will definitely find that some big sellers will
not be happy with bricklink as it will break their tools (including some that
they have developed in house). Bricklink has been quite poor when it comes to
new seller tools and analytics, so many have been developed independently by
sellers using data from their orders downloaded this way. Brickowl would survive
anyway as sellers would split stock between the two, so BL would be pissing off
their big sellers for no reason.
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In General, yorbrick writes:
  
  Well I think we got it all figured out, Brickowl needs Bricklink but Bricklink
does not need Brickowl. Pull the plug...

What is the plug?

Bricklink has no right to stop brickowl from operating, so they cannot pull that
plug.

If you mean the API, then you will definitely find that some big sellers will
not be happy with bricklink as it will break their tools (including some that
they have developed in house). Bricklink has been quite poor when it comes to
new seller tools and analytics, so many have been developed independently by
sellers using data from their orders downloaded this way. Brickowl would survive
anyway as sellers would split stock between the two, so BL would be pissing off
their big sellers for no reason.

Sounds like a hostage negotiation, or a demand for payoff, or random. These
large sellers could have all the API they want, but only on one platform. Seems
everyone only used Bricklink API, correct me otherwise. Really tired of Brickowl
sellers complaining why bricklink has not updated their database so they can
part out their next set.
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  Sounds like a hostage negotiation, or a demand for payoff, or random.

That is rather inappropriate language given what is happening both in the world
right now and recently on bricklink. Sellers using the API are doing nothing
wrong. It is a tool provided by bricklink which allows sellers to use their order
data as they wish, partly because bricklink does not provide better seller services
on site and so sellers have to rely on the API and their own or third party software
to do what they need.

  These large sellers could have all the API they want, but only on one platform. Seems
everyone only used Bricklink API, correct me otherwise. Really tired of Brickowl
sellers complaining why bricklink has not updated their database so they can
part out their next set.

It makes no sense that they can only use the API on one site. They already only
use the bricklink API on one site, they use it on bricklink only. They cannot
use the bricklink API on brickowl. They can use the brickowl API on brickowl.
Bricklink does not get to say who can or cannot use the brickowl API, as it is
not theirs. What sellers do with their inventory data and how they upload their
data to other sites is nothing to do with BL. It would be impossible to stop
sellers using the data they download from bricklink for other sites, similarly
they cannot stop sellers updating their BL inventory (however they do it) if
they sell other items elsewhere.

If the API was turned off, then sellers would use a third party software that
kept a backup of their inventory in xml format. Then after every order on brickowl
that xml file could be automatically updated, the inventory on BL manually removed,
then manually reinstated with the updated xml. Not only would that cause significantly
more traffic as the whole inventory would need to be uploaded instead of just
changes, but also the added dates would be wrong and so new notifications could
be sent to BL buyers after every BO order. That is not good for the site, for
sellers or buyers.

But if you think it is a good idea to stop sellers using the API then post it
as a suggestion indicating all the benefits to the site as you see it.
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In General, yorbrick writes:
  
  Sounds like a hostage negotiation, or a demand for payoff, or random.

That is rather inappropriate language given what is happening both in the world
right now and recently on bricklink. Sellers using the API are doing nothing
wrong. It is a tool provided by bricklink which allows sellers to use their order
data as they wish, partly because bricklink does not provide better seller services
on site and so sellers have to rely on the API and their own or third party software
to do what they need.

  These large sellers could have all the API they want, but only on one platform. Seems
everyone only used Bricklink API, correct me otherwise. Really tired of Brickowl
sellers complaining why bricklink has not updated their database so they can
part out their next set.

It makes no sense that they can only use the API on one site. They already only
use the bricklink API on one site, they use it on bricklink only. They cannot
use the bricklink API on brickowl. They can use the brickowl API on brickowl.
Bricklink does not get to say who can or cannot use the brickowl API, as it is
not theirs. What sellers do with their inventory data and how they upload their
data to other sites is nothing to do with BL. It would be impossible to stop
sellers using the data they download from bricklink for other sites, similarly
they cannot stop sellers updating their BL inventory (however they do it) if
they sell other items elsewhere.

If the API was turned off, then sellers would use a third party software that
kept a backup of their inventory in xml format. Then after every order on brickowl
that xml file could be automatically updated, the inventory on BL manually removed,
then manually reinstated with the updated xml. Not only would that cause significantly
more traffic as the whole inventory would need to be uploaded instead of just
changes, but also the added dates would be wrong and so new notifications could
be sent to BL buyers after every BO order. That is not good for the site, for
sellers or buyers.

But if you think it is a good idea to stop sellers using the API then post it
as a suggestion indicating all the benefits to the site as you see it.

Not asking to restrict anything, the API is there to assist sellers on bricklink
to sell on bricklink, do anything you want under those parameters, as that is
what it's there for. I don't want anything turned off, use Brickstore
all the time, fine tool. Maybe warn your customers your sending their purchase
data to a third party.
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  Not asking to restrict anything, the API is there to assist sellers on bricklink
to sell on bricklink, do anything you want under those parameters, as that is
what it's there for.

That is exactly what sellers using the bricklink API to sync their store inventories
are doing. It is assisting their selling on BL by keeping their inventory up
to date.

  I don't want anything turned off, use Brickstore
all the time, fine tool. Maybe warn your customers your sending their purchase
data to a third party.

What third party? Personal order data is not shared with anyone else. The third
party software (not explicitly part of BL or BO) is used to sync the inventory
data and is typically on the sellers computer, and so not shared. It is also
not using any customer data, it just uses contents of orders that need to be
deleted from the seller's inventory on both sites. This is seller data not
customer data. It is data to indicate what the seller needs to remove from their
inventory. The other site does not need to know who bought it, just what it is
that has been removed.

Even if a seller wanted to publicly share purchase data, there is no reason to
inform buyers that it is being shared, so long as it is anonymized. After all,
it is not customer's purchase data but seller's sales data. In that sense,
bricklink already shares everyone's purchase data in a publicly accessable
way, otherwise known as the price guide. Similarly anyone can post on X that
they sold a Luke Skywalker minifigure and three 3001s in blue. There is no reason
to inform the buyer as there is no identifiable information.
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In General, Brickman4you writes:
  In General, yorbrick writes:
  
  Well I think we got it all figured out, Brickowl needs Bricklink but Bricklink
does not need Brickowl. Pull the plug...

What is the plug?

Bricklink has no right to stop brickowl from operating, so they cannot pull that
plug.

If you mean the API, then you will definitely find that some big sellers will
not be happy with bricklink as it will break their tools (including some that
they have developed in house). Bricklink has been quite poor when it comes to
new seller tools and analytics, so many have been developed independently by
sellers using data from their orders downloaded this way. Brickowl would survive
anyway as sellers would split stock between the two, so BL would be pissing off
their big sellers for no reason.

Sounds like a hostage negotiation, or a demand for payoff, or random. These
large sellers could have all the API they want, but only on one platform. Seems
everyone only used Bricklink API, correct me otherwise. Really tired of Brickowl
sellers complaining why bricklink has not updated their database so they can
part out their next set.

Here in EU we business need to make legal invoices of our sales and the API is
needed to gather all the information of orders to make them in our own accounting
software.

AFAIK their catalog information now comes only from Lego website data just like
Rebrickable and Brickset. There are also other lego marketplaces out there, but
none is a catalog as Bricklink is.
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In General, Brickman4you writes:
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Really tired of Brickowl
sellers complaining why bricklink has not updated their database so they can
part out their next set.

That doesn’t make sense.  Having an inventory on BL doesn’t make it available
or even usable on BO.

Brick Owl has its own catalogue, with its own IDs.  To use data from BL on BO,
you need to be able to convert the BL IDs to BO IDs, that means there needs to
be IDs for those parts on BO, which in turn means the parts are in BO’s catalogue.
And if a new part from a new set is in BO’s catalogue, that means the set inventory
is already there too.
OTOH, if the new parts from the new set aren’t in BO’s catalogue yet, all you
can convert from the set’s inventory from BL is older parts that are already
in BO’s catalogue.  And that’s useless because, as BO’s set data comes from Brickset
(so, for newer sets, indirectly from LEGO), BO has that data before it’s published
on BL (BL has the data too but it’s not directly available until it’s been checked
and completed).

In other, hopefully less confusing, words, if there’s a new set and a seller
is waiting for its inventory without wanting to help BL:

— On BO, they’ll have the basic data from Brickset / LEGO.  So without the minifigures
and new parts.  They need to wait for someone to make the entries on BO for them.

— On BL, they need to wait for someone to check the basic data and make entries
for the minifigures and new parts.  Once that’s done and the naughty lazy seller
gets the BL inventory to use on BO, they can only import the parts and minifigures
that are already in BO’s catalogue, so they are in the exact same position as
the paragraph above, where BL is not needed.

Ergo, no one is waiting for BL’s inventories to use on other sites without the
other sites already having done the same job.
All the other sites do with data from BL is update their conversion tables.
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In General, SylvainLS writes:
  In General, Brickman4you writes:

  That doesn’t make sense.  Having an inventory on BL doesn’t make it available
or even usable on BO.

Maybe it will make sense to someone that runs a store, uses Brickstore in combination
with Bricklink, never really logs into Brickowl unless they sell something.
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In General, yorbrick writes:
  In General, Brickman4you writes:
  In General, yorbrick writes:
  In General, Brickman4you writes:
  The one you got in school class, reeked of chemicals but you smell it anyways,
not knowing any better it may cause cancer…

The former is just what gym class smelled like!

The buyer and seller features at BO are more like a colour photocopy compared
to the old tech of B&W copies.

So what you are saying BO made a better color copier and that gave them the right
to steal and harvest all the data and property of Bricklink. Not to mention
everyday Bricklink is allowing the flow of data between the two sites, causing
added cost/traffic/security risk and in my option not the best business decision.
Most BO sellers continue to use Bricklinks database to do all their daily tasks,
make most of their profits from, then continue to support Brickowl. All the
complaining, when it is down or slow, its just funny irony…

They didn't steal data or property from bricklink. If you remember at the
time there was a legal statement made about it, and all data (such as images)
on brickowl has been crowd sourced. The numbering system that bricklink owns
has not been used on brickowl, they use their own numbering based on lego set
and part numbers and occasionally on other databases, but not bricklink.


That is not the whole history. In the very beginning, BO lifted almost everything
from BrickLink to get up and running. But, at that time, the database was still
for the most part considered open source, so BO was not technically doing anything
wrong. (I would argue that it was not morally right, though.) However, when BrickLink
caught on that BO was going to be a true competitor in the second-hand LEGO market,
they took the database private and sent a cease-and-desist letter to BO concerning
all proprietary numbering and cataloging systems. Only then did BO come up with
their own numbering systems. But that does not get around the fact that BO would
have taken years and years more to ramp up and become a competitor without all
of the initial data that BrickLink provided to seed it.

And now you know.