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| | | Author: | SylvainLS  | | Posted: | Aug 19, 2022 15:26 | | Subject: | Elk? | | Viewed: | 189 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| Hi,
I just saw that ‘deer’ was replaced by ‘elk’ in
[p=3846pb48]
[p=3070bpb119]
I don’t get why. It’s clearly a Red Deer (cervus elaphus), not a Wapiti (cervus
canadensis; wrong continent) and certainly not a Moose/Elk (alces alces; wrong
antlers, wrong snout).
Could we have the rationale for that change?
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| | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Aug 19, 2022 15:28 | | Subject: | Re: Elk? | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | Hi,
I just saw that ‘deer’ was replaced by ‘elk’ in
[p=3846pb48]
[p=3070bpb119]
I don’t get why. It’s clearly a Red Deer (cervus elaphus), not a Wapiti (cervus
canadensis; wrong continent) and certainly not a Moose/Elk (alces alces; wrong
antlers, wrong snout).
Could we have the rationale for that change?
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The newest castle set states that it is an elk shield according to the one who
requested the changes.
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Aug 19, 2022 15:32 | | Subject: | Re: Elk? | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
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The newest castle set states that it is an elk shield according to the one who
requested the changes.
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Dang! LEGO’s mastery of english strikes again.
Well, not really, but thanks for the sentiment 
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | DeLuca | | Posted: | Aug 19, 2022 18:25 | | Subject: | Re: Elk? | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | […]
The newest castle set states that it is an elk shield according to the one who
requested the changes.
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Dang! LEGO’s mastery of english strikes again.
Well, not really, but thanks for the sentiment
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I actually suggested that it be changed to "Elk / Deer" (as it is now), but whoever
approved it just removed 'deer' from the name entirely. 😕
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| | | | | | | Author: | tEoS | | Posted: | Aug 19, 2022 15:43 | | Subject: | Re: Elk? | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| This change does not make complete sense. It has been called dear head for over
20 years in the BL catalog. Please include it somewhere in the description so
that the item remains searchable.
| | The newest castle set states that it is an elk shield according to the one who
requested the changes.
Cheers,
Randy
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Adjour | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2022 11:13 | | Subject: | Re: Elk? | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, tEoS writes:
| | This change does not make complete sense. It has been called dear head for over
20 years in the BL catalog. Please include it somewhere in the description so
that the item remains searchable.
| | The newest castle set states that it is an elk shield according to the one who
requested the changes.
Cheers,
Randy
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Second this. I'm fine with a change, but no one is going to be able to find
the thing
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| | | | | Author: | calebfishn | | Posted: | Aug 19, 2022 15:34 | | Subject: | Re: Elk? | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | Hi,
I just saw that ‘deer’ was replaced by ‘elk’ in
[p=3846pb48]
[p=3070bpb119]
I don’t get why. It’s clearly a Red Deer (cervus elaphus), not a Wapiti (cervus
canadensis; wrong continent) and certainly not a Moose/Elk (alces alces; wrong
antlers, wrong snout).
Could we have the rationale for that change?
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It could be an Irish Elk (Megaloceros giganteus). That would at least be in the
right continent.
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| | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Aug 19, 2022 15:47 | | Subject: | Re: Elk? | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, calebfishn writes:
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It could be an Irish Elk (Megaloceros giganteus). That would at least be in the
right continent.
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I wouldn’t mind the period discrepancy (I made an aurochs for my future castle
forest) but it’s again the wrong antlers: the Elk’s are flat, leaf-like… well
dionaea muscipula-like 
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Aug 19, 2022 15:50 | | Subject: | Re: Elk? | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog, calebfishn writes:
| | […]
It could be an Irish Elk (Megaloceros giganteus). That would at least be in the
right continent.
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I wouldn’t mind the period discrepancy (I made an aurochs for my future castle
forest) but it’s again the wrong antlers: the Elk’s are flat, leaf-like… well
dionaea muscipula-like
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There should be a "LANG Latin" topic in the forum for the fans 
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Aug 19, 2022 15:54 | | Subject: | Re: Elk? | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog, calebfishn writes:
| | […]
It could be an Irish Elk (Megaloceros giganteus). That would at least be in the
right continent.
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I wouldn’t mind the period discrepancy (I made an aurochs for my future castle
forest) but it’s again the wrong antlers: the Elk’s are flat, leaf-like… well
dionaea muscipula-like
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There should be a "LANG Latin" topic in the forum for the fans
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Well, I started it because I wanted to be sure we talked about the same animals
because ‘elk’ has different meanings for US and UK English (surprise!)… but then
it’s also fun
(And it’s not Latin, it’s Latin-like. Latin de cuisine )
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| | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Aug 19, 2022 15:35 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 20 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Aug 19, 2022 15:36 | | Subject: | Re: Elk? | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | I don’t get why. It’s clearly a Red Deer (cervus elaphus), not a Wapiti (cervus
canadensis; wrong continent) and certainly not a Moose/Elk (alces alces; wrong
antlers, wrong snout).
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I think we've got here another Communication problem.
They first should've sent an e-mail to the said animal, like:
Deer Elk,
bla bla
(asking her which one she's really).
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| | | | | | | Author: | macebobo | | Posted: | Aug 19, 2022 15:44 | | Subject: | Re: Elk? | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
| | (asking her which one she's really).
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Female elk generally do not have antlers, so this is a male.
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| | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Aug 19, 2022 16:09 | | Subject: | Re: Elk? | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | I don’t get why. It’s clearly a Red Deer (cervus elaphus), not a Wapiti (cervus
canadensis; wrong continent)
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Isn't it from a fictitious location and time period?
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| | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Aug 19, 2022 16:27 | | Subject: | Re: Elk? | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | | | I don’t get why. It’s clearly a Red Deer (cervus elaphus), not a Wapiti (cervus
canadensis; wrong continent)
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Isn't it from a fictitious location and time period?
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I knew someone would notice that weak argument
Now, ‘wrong continent’ was also about language: elk = wapiti in North America,
in UK English, an elk is a moose, not a wapiti.
But then again, LEGO happily mixes US English & UK English.
So, yeah, let’s say it’s a wapiti.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Aug 19, 2022 16:52 | | Subject: | Re: Elk? | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | | | I don’t get why. It’s clearly a Red Deer (cervus elaphus), not a Wapiti (cervus
canadensis; wrong continent)
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Isn't it from a fictitious location and time period?
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I knew someone would notice that weak argument
Now, ‘wrong continent’ was also about language: elk = wapiti in North America,
in UK English, an elk is a moose, not a wapiti.
But then again, LEGO happily mixes US English & UK English.
So, yeah, let’s say it’s a wapiti.
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Emmm emmm... Wapitius Vulgus?
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Aug 19, 2022 16:57 | | Subject: | Re: Elk? | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
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| | | | | | not a Wapiti (cervus canadensis; wrong continent)
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Emmm emmm... Wapitius Vulgus?
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Cervus canadensis: the one who serves Canada Dry.
Wapitius vulgus would mean something like ‘the one who’s vapid and vulgar’.
(I got my Latin lessons from the back cereal boxes )
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Aug 19, 2022 17:00 | | Subject: | Re: Elk? | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | | | | | | So, yeah, let’s say it’s a wapiti.
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Emmm emmm... Wapitius Vulgus?
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Cervus canadensis: the one who serves Canada Dry.
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Ah see, you can speak something we vulgus pecum can understand!
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Aug 19, 2022 17:08 | | Subject: | Re: Elk? | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, 1001bricks writes:
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Ah see, you can speak something we vulgus pecum can understand!
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¹ I’ve seen many messages with that symbol and you seemed to understand them
well, so I’m using it now
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Aug 19, 2022 17:11 | | Subject: | Re: Elk? | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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^ Nubs_Select Style.
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| | | | | | | Author: | runner.caller | | Posted: | Aug 19, 2022 16:45 | | Subject: | Re: Elk? | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | | | I don’t get why. It’s clearly a Red Deer (cervus elaphus), not a Wapiti (cervus
canadensis; wrong continent)
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Isn't it from a fictitious location and time period?
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Indeed, in my lego castle layout, they are actually called stag-bois and they
only inhabit the land as an invasive species brought there eons ago by ancient
aliens from the living room!
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Aug 19, 2022 17:54 | | Subject: | Re: Elk? | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, runner.caller writes:
| | In Catalog, yorbrick writes:
| | | | I don’t get why. It’s clearly a Red Deer (cervus elaphus), not a Wapiti (cervus
canadensis; wrong continent)
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Isn't it from a fictitious location and time period?
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Indeed, in my lego castle layout, they are actually called stag-bois and they
only inhabit the land as an invasive species brought there eons ago by ancient
aliens from the living room!
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I'd probably use Stag as a first attempt in a search, like a similar shield
...
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| | | | | Author: | Sadler_Bricks | | Posted: | Aug 19, 2022 18:00 | | Subject: | Re: Elk? | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| Ohmy the deer turns into the great elk.
Sadler_bricks
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| | | | | Author: | DeLuca | | Posted: | Aug 19, 2022 18:23 | | Subject: | Re: Elk? | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | Hi,
I just saw that ‘deer’ was replaced by ‘elk’ in
[p=3846pb48]
[p=3070bpb119]
I don’t get why. It’s clearly a Red Deer (cervus elaphus), not a Wapiti (cervus
canadensis; wrong continent) and certainly not a Moose/Elk (alces alces; wrong
antlers, wrong snout).
Could we have the rationale for that change?
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"The mighty Elk shield. There be forest folk nearby."
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| | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Aug 19, 2022 18:39 | | Subject: | Re: Elk? | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
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"The mighty Elk shield. There be forest folk nearby."
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Yep, I checked the PDF (I built it in Studio last week) after Randy’s answer
Still doesn’t make LEGO right. Heraldic terms should be in (Old) French anyway
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | DeLuca | | Posted: | Aug 19, 2022 18:45 | | Subject: | Re: Elk? | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
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"The mighty Elk shield. There be forest folk nearby."
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Yep, I checked the PDF (I built it in Studio last week) after Randy’s answer
Still doesn’t make LEGO right. Heraldic terms should be in (Old) French anyway
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Unless this means that the Castle themes actually take place in a post-apocalyptic
future, rather than a romanticised version of the Middle Ages (as is generally
thought). . . 🤔
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Aug 19, 2022 18:57 | | Subject: | Re: Elk? | | Viewed: | 28 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
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Unless this means that the Castle themes actually take place in a post-apocalyptic
future, rather than a romanticised version of the Middle Ages (as is generally
thought). . . 🤔
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Well, they can take place anywhere and anywhen one wishes¹
It’s just that, for me, elk = élan (moose), not wapiti, so it’s like calling
the LEGO dogs dingos.
¹ Maybe there’s an old Oldsmobile, a chainsaw and a pump shotgun not far from
the castle….
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | tonnic | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2022 05:42 | | Subject: | Re: Elk? | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
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"The mighty Elk shield. There be forest folk nearby."
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Yep, I checked the PDF (I built it in Studio last week) after Randy’s answer
Still doesn’t make LEGO right. Heraldic terms should be in (Old) French anyway
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Unless this means that the Castle themes actually take place in a post-apocalyptic
future, rather than a romanticised version of the Middle Ages (as is generally
thought). . . 🤔
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It must be the future, woman took over the order of the knights.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | maxx3001 | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2022 09:47 | | Subject: | Re: Elk? | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, tonnic writes:
| | In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
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"The mighty Elk shield. There be forest folk nearby."
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Yep, I checked the PDF (I built it in Studio last week) after Randy’s answer
Still doesn’t make LEGO right. Heraldic terms should be in (Old) French anyway
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Unless this means that the Castle themes actually take place in a post-apocalyptic
future, rather than a romanticised version of the Middle Ages (as is generally
thought). . . 🤔
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It must be the future, woman took over the order of the knights.
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| | | | | | | Author: | jbroman | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2022 03:34 | | Subject: | Re: Elk? | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
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"The mighty Elk shield. There be forest folk nearby."
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If you look at the French and Spanish statements from the instructions:
French Wapiti = Elk (maybe they should have used le cerf instead of wapiti)
Spanish Ciervo = Deer
"The mighty Elk shield" does sound better than "The mighty Deer shield".
I would say it's a Cervus elaphus (Red Deer)
That being said, all elk are deer, not all deer are elk.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2022 07:28 | | Subject: | Re: Elk? | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, jbroman writes:
| | In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
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"The mighty Elk shield. There be forest folk nearby."
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If you look at the French and Spanish statements from the instructions:
French Wapiti = Elk (maybe they should have used le cerf instead of wapiti)
Spanish Ciervo = Deer
"The mighty Elk shield" does sound better than "The mighty Deer shield".
I would say it's a Cervus elaphus (Red Deer)
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Yeah in Spanish that would be this case.
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That being said, all elk are deer, not all deer are elk.
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All this might be a translation issue probably from Danish to English.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jbroman | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2022 09:41 | | Subject: | Re: Elk? | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Stellar writes:
| | In Catalog, jbroman writes:
| | In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | In Catalog, SylvainLS writes:
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"The mighty Elk shield. There be forest folk nearby."
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If you look at the French and Spanish statements from the instructions:
French Wapiti = Elk (maybe they should have used le cerf instead of wapiti)
Spanish Ciervo = Deer
"The mighty Elk shield" does sound better than "The mighty Deer shield".
I would say it's a Cervus elaphus (Red Deer)
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Yeah in Spanish that would be this case.
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That being said, all elk are deer, not all deer are elk.
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All this might be a translation issue probably from Danish to English.
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Elk in Danish is Elg, which Google translates back to moose to avoid the above.
Deer is hjort.
It would be interesting to know what the Danish Language instructions say.
I couldn't download the Danish language instructions, it kept defaulting
to Canadian English for me, even with a VPN extension.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2022 10:32 | | Subject: | Re: Elk? | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, jbroman writes:
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| | | | | | "The mighty Elk shield. There be forest folk nearby."
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If you look at the French and Spanish statements from the instructions:
French Wapiti = Elk (maybe they should have used le cerf instead of wapiti)
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Oh, that’s Canadian French in the North-American trilingual version (v39).
In the French (FR) version available on Brickset, it says: “Le puissant bouclier
d’élan.”
(I should have looked at this one sooner, duh.)
And, BTW, that’s another error because that should be “Le puissant bouclier à
l’élan.” *sigh* again…
| | | | | | Spanish Ciervo = Deer
"The mighty Elk shield" does sound better than "The mighty Deer shield".
I would say it's a Cervus elaphus (Red Deer)
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Yeah in Spanish that would be this case.
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No wapiti in Mexico and no elk in Spain?
| | | | | | That being said, all elk are deer, not all deer are elk.
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All this might be a translation issue probably from Danish to English.
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Elk in Danish is Elg, which Google translates back to moose to avoid the above.
Deer is hjort.
It would be interesting to know what the Danish Language instructions say.
I couldn't download the Danish language instructions, it kept defaulting
to Canadian English for me, even with a VPN extension.
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Brickset only has DE, ES, FR, IT, ZHSI, V29 & V39
IT says “dell’Alce” (elk).
DE says “Elchwappen” (elk…).
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France, Nouvelle-Aquitaine
USA, Ohio
Canada, Ontario
United Kingdom, England
Netherlands, Noord-Holland
Spain, Comunidad Valenciana