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| | | Author: | Xsixxi  | | Posted: | Jul 12, 2022 06:54 | | Subject: | Improve total sales calculations below 10.000 | | Viewed: | 116 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | | Status: | Open | | Vote: | [Yes|No] | |
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| Hi all,
last year July 1st, the new european guidelines were implemented for selling
online.
Our shop aims to stay below the 10.000 euro treshold, as we run our shop as a
hobby, not a business! We sell at Bricklink to pay for our hobby in a way. Like
a lot of us do.
The only tool that is provided by Bricklink is "download my orders"
The 10.000 euro is based on sales from new parts or sets, outside your own country,
but within Europe.
As you can see on the picture, I can select all sales from outside The Netherlands......
but not "only within Europe", so when I run the total, all orders from outside
Europe are still added to the calculation.
Also, when used parts are sold within the order, they should not be calculated
as well! How to exclude those from the total??
Please add the option in "Exclude" to select "Orders outside the European Union"
Please add the option in "Exclude" to select "used parts or sets"
Right now, all order details will be purged from the Bricklink system after 6
months, so it's impossible to get detailed info about "new/used" or "outside
the EU" afterwards.
Hopefully Bricklink will provide us with the right tools to be able to stay under
the 10.000 euro treshold.
Also, what is considered Europe? The countries that are within the EEA, or all
countries that are withing Europe?
For example Russia is within Europe according to the list on:
https://www.countries-ofthe-world.com/countries-of-europe.html
Please help
kind regards
Xandra
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| | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jul 12, 2022 07:06 | | Subject: | Re: Improve total sales calculations below 10.000 | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | The only tool that is provided by Bricklink is "download my orders"
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Every order has the location of the buyer and the value. You can cut and paste
this into a spreadsheet for your own records and do any calculations you like
with it. Those records also last more than six months.
Cutting and pasting this information for a hobby-only store should not be a big
deal.
| | The 10.000 euro is based on sales from new parts or sets, outside your own country,
but within Europe.
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It is within the EU, not within Europe. Europe is a geographical area.
| | Right now, all order details will be purged from the Bricklink system after 6
months, so it's impossible to get detailed info about "new/used" or "outside
the EU" afterwards.
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Not if you save your own records.
| | Also, what is considered Europe? The countries that are within the EEA, or all
countries that are withing Europe?
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On bricklink, the word Europe in menus and features means the geographical region
and not the political region called the European Union.
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| | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Jul 12, 2022 08:17 | | Subject: | Re: Improve total sales calculations below 10.000 | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Xsixxi writes:
| | Hi all,
last year July 1st, the new european guidelines were implemented for selling
online.
Our shop aims to stay below the 10.000 euro treshold, as we run our shop as a
hobby, not a business! We sell at Bricklink to pay for our hobby in a way. Like
a lot of us do.
The only tool that is provided by Bricklink is "download my orders"
The 10.000 euro is based on sales from new parts or sets, outside your own country,
but within Europe.
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10.000€ (VAT excluded) of total sales to the rest of EU countries, independent
of the condition or item type.
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As you can see on the picture, I can select all sales from outside The Netherlands......
but not "only within Europe", so when I run the total, all orders from outside
Europe are still added to the calculation.
Also, when used parts are sold within the order, they should not be calculated
as well! How to exclude those from the total??
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They count for the threshold for most, you might have confused with the business
that use the VAT Margin Scheme, those are the only ones needing to differentiate.
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Please add the option in "Exclude" to select "Orders outside the European Union"
Please add the option in "Exclude" to select "used parts or sets"
Right now, all order details will be purged from the Bricklink system after 6
months, so it's impossible to get detailed info about "new/used" or "outside
the EU" afterwards.
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There are different Software out there that helps you with keeping track of these
details.
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Hopefully Bricklink will provide us with the right tools to be able to stay under
the 10.000 euro treshold.
Also, what is considered Europe? The countries that are within the EEA, or all
countries that are withing Europe?
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Search for list of countries in the EU. Sorry I can't look for a good link
now.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Xsixxi | | Posted: | Jul 13, 2022 06:11 | | Subject: | Re: Improve total sales calculations below 10.000 | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| So in short.....
can we add a button that excludes sales outside the EU:
Those are:
België;
Bulgarije;
Cyprus;
Denemarken;
Duitsland;
Estland;
Finland;
Frankrijk;
Griekenland;
Hongarije;
Ierland;
Italië;
Kroatië;
Letland;
Litouwen;
Luxemburg;
Malta;
Nederland;
Oostenrijk;
Polen;
Portugal;
Roemenië;
Slovenië;
Slowakije;
Spanje;
Tsjechië;
Zweden.
this can't be that hard
and also as Sylvain pointed out, only BTC sales should be included and not BTB
sales.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Xsixxi | | Posted: | Jul 13, 2022 06:15 | | Subject: | Re: Improve total sales calculations below 10.000 | | Viewed: | 33 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Xsixxi writes:
| | So in short.....
can we add a button that excludes sales outside the EU:
Those are:
België;
Bulgarije;
Cyprus;
Denemarken;
Duitsland;
Estland;
Finland;
Frankrijk;
Griekenland;
Hongarije;
Ierland;
Italië;
Kroatië;
Letland;
Litouwen;
Luxemburg;
Malta;
Nederland;
Oostenrijk;
Polen;
Portugal;
Roemenië;
Slovenië;
Slowakije;
Spanje;
Tsjechië;
Zweden.
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this is the list we can find on the internet...... but below is the list in Bricklink....
why are they different?
Europe
European Union (312091)
Albania (26)
Andorra (11)
Austria (9302)
Belarus (590)
Belgium (12686)
Bosnia and Herzegovina (90)
Bulgaria (849)
Croatia (1694)
Czech Republic (6938)
Denmark (9375)
Estonia (884)
Faroe Islands (25)
Finland (4345)
France (31735)
Georgia (68)
Germany (98590)
Gibraltar (30)
Greece (2128)
Hungary (9227)
Iceland (296)
Ireland (5289)
Italy (25740)
Latvia (742)
Liechtenstein (23)
Lithuania (1101)
Luxembourg (664)
Macedonia (70)
Malta (298)
Moldova (76)
Monaco (11)
Montenegro (46)
Netherlands (37387)
Norway (5645)
Poland (20522)
Portugal (4836)
Romania (2490)
Russia (12200)
San Marino (18)
Serbia (927)
Slovakia (2715)
Slovenia (2089)
Spain (8701)
Svalbard and Jan Mayen (1)
Sweden (11509)
Switzerland (9263)
Ukraine (2202)
United Kingdom (91129)
Vatican City State (2)
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jul 13, 2022 06:25 | | Subject: | Re: Improve total sales calculations below 10.000 | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Xsixxi writes:
| | In Suggestions, Xsixxi writes:
| | So in short.....
can we add a button that excludes sales outside the EU:
Those are:
België;
Bulgarije;
Cyprus;
Denemarken;
Duitsland;
Estland;
Finland;
Frankrijk;
Griekenland;
Hongarije;
Ierland;
Italië;
Kroatië;
Letland;
Litouwen;
Luxemburg;
Malta;
Nederland;
Oostenrijk;
Polen;
Portugal;
Roemenië;
Slovenië;
Slowakije;
Spanje;
Tsjechië;
Zweden.
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this is the list we can find on the internet...... but below is the list in Bricklink....
why are they different?
Europe
European Union (312091)
Albania (26)
Andorra (11)
Austria (9302)
Belarus (590)
Belgium (12686)
Bosnia and Herzegovina (90)
Bulgaria (849)
Croatia (1694)
Czech Republic (6938)
Denmark (9375)
Estonia (884)
Faroe Islands (25)
Finland (4345)
France (31735)
Georgia (68)
Germany (98590)
Gibraltar (30)
Greece (2128)
Hungary (9227)
Iceland (296)
Ireland (5289)
Italy (25740)
Latvia (742)
Liechtenstein (23)
Lithuania (1101)
Luxembourg (664)
Macedonia (70)
Malta (298)
Moldova (76)
Monaco (11)
Montenegro (46)
Netherlands (37387)
Norway (5645)
Poland (20522)
Portugal (4836)
Romania (2490)
Russia (12200)
San Marino (18)
Serbia (927)
Slovakia (2715)
Slovenia (2089)
Spain (8701)
Svalbard and Jan Mayen (1)
Sweden (11509)
Switzerland (9263)
Ukraine (2202)
United Kingdom (91129)
Vatican City State (2)
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They are different because EUROPE is not the same thing as the EU. One is a geographical
area and one is a political / commercial area.
Click on EUROPEAN UNION under EUROPE if you want to see only countries in the
EU.
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| | | | | Author: | ErwinNL | | Posted: | Jul 12, 2022 08:26 | | Subject: | Re: Improve total sales calculations below 10.000 | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Xsixxi writes:
| | Hi all,
last year July 1st, the new european guidelines were implemented for selling
online.
Our shop aims to stay below the 10.000 euro treshold, as we run our shop as a
hobby, not a business! We sell at Bricklink to pay for our hobby in a way. Like
a lot of us do.
The only tool that is provided by Bricklink is "download my orders"
The 10.000 euro is based on sales from new parts or sets, outside your own country,
but within Europe.
As you can see on the picture, I can select all sales from outside The Netherlands......
but not "only within Europe", so when I run the total, all orders from outside
Europe are still added to the calculation.
Also, when used parts are sold within the order, they should not be calculated
as well! How to exclude those from the total??
Please add the option in "Exclude" to select "Orders outside the European Union"
Please add the option in "Exclude" to select "used parts or sets"
Right now, all order details will be purged from the Bricklink system after 6
months, so it's impossible to get detailed info about "new/used" or "outside
the EU" afterwards.
Hopefully Bricklink will provide us with the right tools to be able to stay under
the 10.000 euro treshold.
Also, what is considered Europe? The countries that are within the EEA, or all
countries that are withing Europe?
For example Russia is within Europe according to the list on:
https://www.countries-ofthe-world.com/countries-of-europe.html
Please help
kind regards
Xandra
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The list I use for the EU distance sale countries are:
"DE","IT","FR","SE","FI","SK","SI","RO",
"PT","PL","AT","NL","MT","HU","LU","LT",
"LV","CY","HR","GR","IE","EE","DK","CZ",
"BG","BE","XI","ES","MC"
Excluding your own (NL).
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| | | | | | | Author: | ErwinNL | | Posted: | Jul 12, 2022 08:40 | | Subject: | Re: Improve total sales calculations below 10.000 | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, ErwinNL writes:
| | In Suggestions, Xsixxi writes:
| | Hi all,
last year July 1st, the new european guidelines were implemented for selling
online.
Our shop aims to stay below the 10.000 euro treshold, as we run our shop as a
hobby, not a business! We sell at Bricklink to pay for our hobby in a way. Like
a lot of us do.
The only tool that is provided by Bricklink is "download my orders"
The 10.000 euro is based on sales from new parts or sets, outside your own country,
but within Europe.
As you can see on the picture, I can select all sales from outside The Netherlands......
but not "only within Europe", so when I run the total, all orders from outside
Europe are still added to the calculation.
Also, when used parts are sold within the order, they should not be calculated
as well! How to exclude those from the total??
Please add the option in "Exclude" to select "Orders outside the European Union"
Please add the option in "Exclude" to select "used parts or sets"
Right now, all order details will be purged from the Bricklink system after 6
months, so it's impossible to get detailed info about "new/used" or "outside
the EU" afterwards.
Hopefully Bricklink will provide us with the right tools to be able to stay under
the 10.000 euro treshold.
Also, what is considered Europe? The countries that are within the EEA, or all
countries that are withing Europe?
For example Russia is within Europe according to the list on:
https://www.countries-ofthe-world.com/countries-of-europe.html
Please help
kind regards
Xandra
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The list I use for the EU distance sale countries are:
"DE","IT","FR","SE","FI","SK","SI","RO",
"PT","PL","AT","NL","MT","HU","LU","LT",
"LV","CY","HR","GR","IE","EE","DK","CZ",
"BG","BE","XI","ES","MC"
Excluding your own (NL).
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https://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/europese-unie/vraag-en-antwoord/welke-landen-horen-bij-de-europese-unie-eu
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| | | | | Author: | Krekeltje62 | | Posted: | Jul 12, 2022 08:53 | | Subject: | Re: Improve total sales calculations below 10.000 | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Hi ,
You will have to choose......
Either sell only used or only new.
So if you want to operate under the margin scheme then you cannot sell new Parts.
If you want to sell both you will just have to stay under the 10k threshold or
work in a VAT scheme. And being a hobby seller does not exist. If you buy to
sell you are a merchant. You just have to folow the legal aspects in your country.
Bricklink is incorrect in stating that fees and postal costs are not included.
Revenue = revenue !
I have an excel available to calculate the total value of EU sales for you over
a given period.
Simply export the orders and within a second you will have the correct amount.
Just message me to forward the tool.
Anyone within Europe can use this tool, you can setup your own country and EU
countries.
Take Care.
In Suggestions, Xsixxi writes:
| | Hi all,
last year July 1st, the new european guidelines were implemented for selling
online.
Our shop aims to stay below the 10.000 euro treshold, as we run our shop as a
hobby, not a business! We sell at Bricklink to pay for our hobby in a way. Like
a lot of us do.
The only tool that is provided by Bricklink is "download my orders"
The 10.000 euro is based on sales from new parts or sets, outside your own country,
but within Europe.
As you can see on the picture, I can select all sales from outside The Netherlands......
but not "only within Europe", so when I run the total, all orders from outside
Europe are still added to the calculation.
Also, when used parts are sold within the order, they should not be calculated
as well! How to exclude those from the total??
Please add the option in "Exclude" to select "Orders outside the European Union"
Please add the option in "Exclude" to select "used parts or sets"
Right now, all order details will be purged from the Bricklink system after 6
months, so it's impossible to get detailed info about "new/used" or "outside
the EU" afterwards.
Hopefully Bricklink will provide us with the right tools to be able to stay under
the 10.000 euro treshold.
Also, what is considered Europe? The countries that are within the EEA, or all
countries that are withing Europe?
For example Russia is within Europe according to the list on:
https://www.countries-ofthe-world.com/countries-of-europe.html
Please help
kind regards
Xandra
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| | | | | | | Author: | BGP | | Posted: | Jul 13, 2022 07:16 | | Subject: | Re: Improve total sales calculations below 10.000 | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Krekeltje62 writes:
| | Hi ,
You will have to choose......
Either sell only used or only new.
So if you want to operate under the margin scheme then you cannot sell new Parts.
If you want to sell both you will just have to stay under the 10k threshold or
work in a VAT scheme. And being a hobby seller does not exist. If you buy to
sell you are a merchant. You just have to folow the legal aspects in your country.
Bricklink is incorrect in stating that fees and postal costs are not included.
Revenue = revenue !
I have an excel available to calculate the total value of EU sales for you over
a given period.
Simply export the orders and within a second you will have the correct amount.
Just message me to forward the tool.
Anyone within Europe can use this tool, you can setup your own country and EU
countries.
Take Care.
In Suggestions, Xsixxi writes:
| | Hi all,
last year July 1st, the new european guidelines were implemented for selling
online.
Our shop aims to stay below the 10.000 euro treshold, as we run our shop as a
hobby, not a business! We sell at Bricklink to pay for our hobby in a way. Like
a lot of us do.
The only tool that is provided by Bricklink is "download my orders"
The 10.000 euro is based on sales from new parts or sets, outside your own country,
but within Europe.
As you can see on the picture, I can select all sales from outside The Netherlands......
but not "only within Europe", so when I run the total, all orders from outside
Europe are still added to the calculation.
Also, when used parts are sold within the order, they should not be calculated
as well! How to exclude those from the total??
Please add the option in "Exclude" to select "Orders outside the European Union"
Please add the option in "Exclude" to select "used parts or sets"
Right now, all order details will be purged from the Bricklink system after 6
months, so it's impossible to get detailed info about "new/used" or "outside
the EU" afterwards.
Hopefully Bricklink will provide us with the right tools to be able to stay under
the 10.000 euro treshold.
Also, what is considered Europe? The countries that are within the EEA, or all
countries that are withing Europe?
For example Russia is within Europe according to the list on:
https://www.countries-ofthe-world.com/countries-of-europe.html
Please help
kind regards
Xandra
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Why can't you sell new parts under the margin scheme ? If I buy a new set
from a private person, it is sold as used but the parts are still new. It all
depends on if you buy it from private people or from a store.
Brian
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jul 13, 2022 08:51 | | Subject: | Re: Improve total sales calculations below 10.000 | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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Why can't you sell new parts under the margin scheme ? If I buy a new set
from a private person, it is sold as used but the parts are still new. It all
depends on if you buy it from private people or from a store.
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Isn't this down to definitions of new/second hand away from bricklink (and
importantly whether you paid VAT on it) and new/used conditions on bricklink.
Second hand items can be in new condition - if a person owns a new item and sells
it to a company without opening it and not charging VAT. It is second hand, but
the condition (as would be listed here) is new.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Krekeltje62 | | Posted: | Jul 14, 2022 17:00 | | Subject: | Re: Improve total sales calculations below 10.000 | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| IMHO
It's bending the rules so we feel more comfortable with them and then that
becomes the truth.
Buying goods from a non VAT person (consumer) makes the goods second hand and
"used" even if they are (maybe) not used. So in the definition of margin goods,
you cannot sell NEW items bought from a consumer. Maybe they are new, but that
is of no importance. You could describe them (As good as new). I do not think
that Bricklink will allow you to open a store under the margin scheme with items
that are defined as NEW. Sealed boxes .... cannot imagine that they will allow
this. I believe that a lot of 'hobby sellers' are in fact merchants but
don't want the administrative hassle.
Buying goods from a store (including VAT) and sell them as NEW (without VAT)
is not allowed within margin scheme. In a margin schema items are always used.
(There are a few exceptions but not applicable for toys).
And yes, there is of course the sealed set ! within the margin schema you will
have to sell it as used. But you can't because it's still sealed.......
Maybe there are different definitions of the margin schemes in each EU country
(which should not surprise me).
But if I google it for the Netherlands and Belgium it's what I've just
wrote.
We can discuss this, don't agree, etc... but that is bending the rules.
If someone can forward me a text that proves I'm wrong then please do. It's
getting rather complicated selling a few bricks.....
take care
In Suggestions, BGP writes:
| | In Suggestions, Krekeltje62 writes:
| | Hi ,
You will have to choose......
Either sell only used or only new.
So if you want to operate under the margin scheme then you cannot sell new Parts.
If you want to sell both you will just have to stay under the 10k threshold or
work in a VAT scheme. And being a hobby seller does not exist. If you buy to
sell you are a merchant. You just have to folow the legal aspects in your country.
Bricklink is incorrect in stating that fees and postal costs are not included.
Revenue = revenue !
I have an excel available to calculate the total value of EU sales for you over
a given period.
Simply export the orders and within a second you will have the correct amount.
Just message me to forward the tool.
Anyone within Europe can use this tool, you can setup your own country and EU
countries.
Take Care.
In Suggestions, Xsixxi writes:
| | Hi all,
last year July 1st, the new european guidelines were implemented for selling
online.
Our shop aims to stay below the 10.000 euro treshold, as we run our shop as a
hobby, not a business! We sell at Bricklink to pay for our hobby in a way. Like
a lot of us do.
The only tool that is provided by Bricklink is "download my orders"
The 10.000 euro is based on sales from new parts or sets, outside your own country,
but within Europe.
As you can see on the picture, I can select all sales from outside The Netherlands......
but not "only within Europe", so when I run the total, all orders from outside
Europe are still added to the calculation.
Also, when used parts are sold within the order, they should not be calculated
as well! How to exclude those from the total??
Please add the option in "Exclude" to select "Orders outside the European Union"
Please add the option in "Exclude" to select "used parts or sets"
Right now, all order details will be purged from the Bricklink system after 6
months, so it's impossible to get detailed info about "new/used" or "outside
the EU" afterwards.
Hopefully Bricklink will provide us with the right tools to be able to stay under
the 10.000 euro treshold.
Also, what is considered Europe? The countries that are within the EEA, or all
countries that are withing Europe?
For example Russia is within Europe according to the list on:
https://www.countries-ofthe-world.com/countries-of-europe.html
Please help
kind regards
Xandra
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Why can't you sell new parts under the margin scheme ? If I buy a new set
from a private person, it is sold as used but the parts are still new. It all
depends on if you buy it from private people or from a store.
Brian
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Jul 14, 2022 17:35 | | Subject: | Re: Improve total sales calculations below 10.000 | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Krekeltje62 writes:
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Maybe there are different definitions of the margin schemes in each EU country
(which should not surprise me).
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It would surprise me. VAT is one thing EU agrees about (has to, common market).
There’s some freedom for rates and thresholds and how things are worded (IIRC,
‘import VAT’ is sometimes called in a way that make it sound more like a duty)
but the rest is pretty much locked.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jul 14, 2022 18:18 | | Subject: | Re: Improve total sales calculations below 10.000 | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | And yes, there is of course the sealed set ! within the margin schema you will
have to sell it as used. But you can't because it's still sealed.......
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In the UK, you can use the margin scheme to sell second hand (as in previously
owned) goods. The physical condition of the item is not specified, the previous
ownership is. Whereas on bricklink, "new" specifies the condition of whether
bricks have been clicked together, not the ownership history. A set in new condition
can be second hand. If you buy an unopened set from a consumer (hence not paying
VAT) then it is second hand but in what bricklink calls new condition. If BL
used the term unused for sets and parts instead, it would be clearer.
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Netherlands, Zuid-Holland
United Kingdom, England
Spain, Comunidad Valenciana
Belgium
Denmark
France, Nouvelle-Aquitaine
