* Change 2 Part {Medium Orange to Bright Light Orange} 31053pb01 Duplo Dinosaur Brachiosaurus Adult with Orange Spots Pattern
* Change 2 Part {Medium Orange to Bright Light Orange} 31045pb01 Duplo Dinosaur Brachiosaurus Baby with Orange Spots Pattern
Comments from Submitter:
There are multiple listings online of this set with Bright Light Orange dinosaurs. I cannot find evidence that Medium Orange dinosaurs appeared as late as 2007. Will attach a photo.
* Change 2 Part {Medium Orange to Bright Light Orange} 31053pb01 Duplo Dinosaur Brachiosaurus Adult with Orange Spots Pattern
* Change 2 Part {Medium Orange to Bright Light Orange} 31045pb01 Duplo Dinosaur Brachiosaurus Baby with Orange Spots Pattern
Comments from Submitter:
There are multiple listings online of this set with Bright Light Orange dinosaurs. I cannot find evidence that Medium Orange dinosaurs appeared as late as 2007. Will attach a photo.
* Change 2 Part {Medium Orange to Bright Light Orange} 31053pb01 Duplo Dinosaur Brachiosaurus Adult with Orange Spots Pattern
* Change 2 Part {Medium Orange to Bright Light Orange} 31045pb01 Duplo Dinosaur Brachiosaurus Baby with Orange Spots Pattern
Comments from Submitter:
There are multiple listings online of this set with Bright Light Orange dinosaurs. I cannot find evidence that Medium Orange dinosaurs appeared as late as 2007. Will attach a photo.
I think this photo is too dark. Considering that they sure look Bright Light
Orange.
I will ask some sellers, if they happen to have the Bright Light Orange variant.
* Change 2 Part {Medium Orange to Bright Light Orange} 31053pb01 Duplo Dinosaur Brachiosaurus Adult with Orange Spots Pattern
* Change 2 Part {Medium Orange to Bright Light Orange} 31045pb01 Duplo Dinosaur Brachiosaurus Baby with Orange Spots Pattern
Comments from Submitter:
There are multiple listings online of this set with Bright Light Orange dinosaurs. I cannot find evidence that Medium Orange dinosaurs appeared as late as 2007. Will attach a photo.
I think this photo is too dark. Considering that they sure look Bright Light
Orange.
I will ask some sellers, if they happen to have the Bright Light Orange variant.
Diana
I have found some IDs for these dinosaurs. Maybe this will help:
31053pb01:
Medium Orange: 4100875
75930: (ID not present on Bricklink)
Bright Light Orange: 4502152, 4506960
Dark Orange: 4517764
There's evidence to suggest that all three of these exist.
* Change 2 Part {Medium Orange to Bright Light Orange} 31053pb01 Duplo Dinosaur Brachiosaurus Adult with Orange Spots Pattern
* Change 2 Part {Medium Orange to Bright Light Orange} 31045pb01 Duplo Dinosaur Brachiosaurus Baby with Orange Spots Pattern
Comments from Submitter:
There are multiple listings online of this set with Bright Light Orange dinosaurs. I cannot find evidence that Medium Orange dinosaurs appeared as late as 2007. Will attach a photo.
I think this photo is too dark. Considering that they sure look Bright Light
Orange.
I will ask some sellers, if they happen to have the Bright Light Orange variant.
* Change 2 Part {Medium Orange to Bright Light Orange} 31053pb01 Duplo Dinosaur Brachiosaurus Adult with Orange Spots Pattern
* Change 2 Part {Medium Orange to Bright Light Orange} 31045pb01 Duplo Dinosaur Brachiosaurus Baby with Orange Spots Pattern
Comments from Submitter:
There are multiple listings online of this set with Bright Light Orange dinosaurs. I cannot find evidence that Medium Orange dinosaurs appeared as late as 2007. Will attach a photo.
I think this photo is too dark. Considering that they sure look Bright Light
Orange.
I will ask some sellers, if they happen to have the Bright Light Orange variant.
Diana
Here is another.
Unfortunately I can't tell by these images that Adult and Baby Brachiosaurus
are Bright Light Orange. I'm about to submit the inventory for the second
variant of this set, that came in 2008. I bought a few of these Dinosaurs and
asked around with other sellers who have these for sale and they are all Medium
Orange.
Untill you can provide hard evidence for the existence of these Dinosaurs in
Bright Light Orange, I assume that in the short period of 2007 LEGO just used
the Medium Orange they had left and produced the second version of the set (9213-2)
once they ran out. So I can't approve this request.
* Change 2 Part {Medium Orange to Bright Light Orange} 31053pb01 Duplo Dinosaur Brachiosaurus Adult with Orange Spots Pattern
* Change 2 Part {Medium Orange to Bright Light Orange} 31045pb01 Duplo Dinosaur Brachiosaurus Baby with Orange Spots Pattern
Comments from Submitter:
There are multiple listings online of this set with Bright Light Orange dinosaurs. I cannot find evidence that Medium Orange dinosaurs appeared as late as 2007. Will attach a photo.
I think this photo is too dark. Considering that they sure look Bright Light
Orange.
I will ask some sellers, if they happen to have the Bright Light Orange variant.
Diana
Here is another.
Unfortunately I can't tell by these images that Adult and Baby Brachiosaurus
are Bright Light Orange. I'm about to submit the inventory for the second
variant of this set, that came in 2008. I bought a few of these Dinosaurs and
asked around with other sellers who have these for sale and they are all Medium
Orange.
Untill you can provide hard evidence for the existence of these Dinosaurs in
Bright Light Orange, I assume that in the short period of 2007 LEGO just used
the Medium Orange they had left and produced the second version of the set (9213-2)
once they ran out. So I can't approve this request.
[p=31053pb01,31]
all Medium Orange,
with in the middle the Bright Light Orange
[p=31057pb02,110]
In reality you can see the difference much better. That is why I always prefer
comparison images.
Diana
There’s no reason for this set to have ever included the older dinosaurs. By
2007, the older dinosaurs had been out of production for at least 8 years. Alternate
photos of these dinosaurs are very clearly Bright Light Orange. They could not
have come anywhere else.
* Change 2 Part {Medium Orange to Bright Light Orange} 31053pb01 Duplo Dinosaur Brachiosaurus Adult with Orange Spots Pattern
* Change 2 Part {Medium Orange to Bright Light Orange} 31045pb01 Duplo Dinosaur Brachiosaurus Baby with Orange Spots Pattern
Comments from Submitter:
There are multiple listings online of this set with Bright Light Orange dinosaurs. I cannot find evidence that Medium Orange dinosaurs appeared as late as 2007. Will attach a photo.
I think this photo is too dark. Considering that they sure look Bright Light
Orange.
I will ask some sellers, if they happen to have the Bright Light Orange variant.
Diana
Here is another.
Unfortunately I can't tell by these images that Adult and Baby Brachiosaurus
are Bright Light Orange. I'm about to submit the inventory for the second
variant of this set, that came in 2008. I bought a few of these Dinosaurs and
asked around with other sellers who have these for sale and they are all Medium
Orange.
Untill you can provide hard evidence for the existence of these Dinosaurs in
Bright Light Orange, I assume that in the short period of 2007 LEGO just used
the Medium Orange they had left and produced the second version of the set (9213-2)
once they ran out. So I can't approve this request.
[p=31053pb01,31]
all Medium Orange,
with in the middle the Bright Light Orange
[p=31057pb02,110]
In reality you can see the difference much better. That is why I always prefer
comparison images.
Diana
There’s no reason for this set to have ever included the older dinosaurs. By
2007, the older dinosaurs had been out of production for at least 8 years. Alternate
photos of these dinosaurs are very clearly Bright Light Orange. They could not
have come anywhere else.
There are 3 Educational sets with these dinosaurs, released 1997. Like you once
said Educational Sets are often produced for a longer time. So how can you be
sure, that in this case they were not and that these dinosaurs were out of production
since 1999?
The only proof I have is that color and print changed in 2008 to
[p=31053pb02,68]
In another thread you mentioned that PCC's were found for the adult in Bright
Light Orange and even for a Bright Light Orange without Print. Unfortunately
this doesn't always mean it was ever produced. So like I said, we need hard
evidence: an image that shows a Bright Light Orange Dinosaur (Adult and Baby)
next to Medium Orange and Bright Light Orange parts. That's the next best
proof besides a sealed set, which will be very hard to find.
So I'm sorry, but there's also no reason to believe that this set had
both adult and baby Dinosaur in Bright Light Orange, because there's simply
no proof they exist in this color.
* Change 2 Part {Medium Orange to Bright Light Orange} 31053pb01 Duplo Dinosaur Brachiosaurus Adult with Orange Spots Pattern
* Change 2 Part {Medium Orange to Bright Light Orange} 31045pb01 Duplo Dinosaur Brachiosaurus Baby with Orange Spots Pattern
Comments from Submitter:
There are multiple listings online of this set with Bright Light Orange dinosaurs. I cannot find evidence that Medium Orange dinosaurs appeared as late as 2007. Will attach a photo.
I think this photo is too dark. Considering that they sure look Bright Light
Orange.
I will ask some sellers, if they happen to have the Bright Light Orange variant.
Diana
Here is another.
Unfortunately I can't tell by these images that Adult and Baby Brachiosaurus
are Bright Light Orange. I'm about to submit the inventory for the second
variant of this set, that came in 2008. I bought a few of these Dinosaurs and
asked around with other sellers who have these for sale and they are all Medium
Orange.
Untill you can provide hard evidence for the existence of these Dinosaurs in
Bright Light Orange, I assume that in the short period of 2007 LEGO just used
the Medium Orange they had left and produced the second version of the set (9213-2)
once they ran out. So I can't approve this request.
[p=31053pb01,31]
all Medium Orange,
with in the middle the Bright Light Orange
[p=31057pb02,110]
In reality you can see the difference much better. That is why I always prefer
comparison images.
Diana
There’s no reason for this set to have ever included the older dinosaurs. By
2007, the older dinosaurs had been out of production for at least 8 years. Alternate
photos of these dinosaurs are very clearly Bright Light Orange. They could not
have come anywhere else.
There are 3 Educational sets with these dinosaurs, released 1997. Like you once
said Educational Sets are often produced for a longer time. So how can you be
sure, that in this case they were not and that these dinosaurs were out of production
since 1999?
The only proof I have is that color and print changed in 2008 to
[p=31053pb02,68]
In another thread you mentioned that PCC's were found for the adult in Bright
Light Orange and even for a Bright Light Orange without Print. Unfortunately
this doesn't always mean it was ever produced. So like I said, we need hard
evidence: an image that shows a Bright Light Orange Dinosaur (Adult and Baby)
next to Medium Orange and Bright Light Orange parts. That's the next best
proof besides a sealed set, which will be very hard to find.
So I'm sorry, but there's also no reason to believe that this set had
both adult and baby Dinosaur in Bright Light Orange, because there's simply
no proof they exist in this color.
"The dinosaur set still needs to be fixed. PCCs exist for unprinted Bright Light
Orange dinosaurs that would have first appeared in 2007. Medium Orange’s last
appearance was in a set from 2005 that I own and can confirm came with older
colors. If a color’s last year is 2005 then it is likely correct, as that year
saw the end of around 22 colors."
You are actually saying here that those PCC's you found stand for unprinted
Bright Light Orange Dinosaurs. This does not match the photos (which you
claim are bright light orange) which are printed dinosaurs.
About your statement: 'There’s no reason for this set to have ever included
the older dinosaurs.'
So maybe they stopped producing Medium Orange Dinosaurs back in 2005, but had
a lot of them left and decided to put them in a new set for one year in 2007
and change colors in 2008.
Diana
PS
It would be very helpfull if you would add comments like this to the request
they belong to. Thanks!
* Change 2 Part {Medium Orange to Bright Light Orange} 31053pb01 Duplo Dinosaur Brachiosaurus Adult with Orange Spots Pattern
* Change 2 Part {Medium Orange to Bright Light Orange} 31045pb01 Duplo Dinosaur Brachiosaurus Baby with Orange Spots Pattern
Comments from Submitter:
There are multiple listings online of this set with Bright Light Orange dinosaurs. I cannot find evidence that Medium Orange dinosaurs appeared as late as 2007. Will attach a photo.
I think this photo is too dark. Considering that they sure look Bright Light
Orange.
I will ask some sellers, if they happen to have the Bright Light Orange variant.
Diana
Here is another.
Unfortunately I can't tell by these images that Adult and Baby Brachiosaurus
are Bright Light Orange. I'm about to submit the inventory for the second
variant of this set, that came in 2008. I bought a few of these Dinosaurs and
asked around with other sellers who have these for sale and they are all Medium
Orange.
Untill you can provide hard evidence for the existence of these Dinosaurs in
Bright Light Orange, I assume that in the short period of 2007 LEGO just used
the Medium Orange they had left and produced the second version of the set (9213-2)
once they ran out. So I can't approve this request.
[p=31053pb01,31]
all Medium Orange,
with in the middle the Bright Light Orange
[p=31057pb02,110]
In reality you can see the difference much better. That is why I always prefer
comparison images.
Diana
There’s no reason for this set to have ever included the older dinosaurs. By
2007, the older dinosaurs had been out of production for at least 8 years. Alternate
photos of these dinosaurs are very clearly Bright Light Orange. They could not
have come anywhere else.
There are 3 Educational sets with these dinosaurs, released 1997. Like you once
said Educational Sets are often produced for a longer time. So how can you be
sure, that in this case they were not and that these dinosaurs were out of production
since 1999?
The only proof I have is that color and print changed in 2008 to
[p=31053pb02,68]
In another thread you mentioned that PCC's were found for the adult in Bright
Light Orange and even for a Bright Light Orange without Print. Unfortunately
this doesn't always mean it was ever produced. So like I said, we need hard
evidence: an image that shows a Bright Light Orange Dinosaur (Adult and Baby)
next to Medium Orange and Bright Light Orange parts. That's the next best
proof besides a sealed set, which will be very hard to find.
So I'm sorry, but there's also no reason to believe that this set had
both adult and baby Dinosaur in Bright Light Orange, because there's simply
no proof they exist in this color.
"The dinosaur set still needs to be fixed. PCCs exist for unprinted Bright Light
Orange dinosaurs that would have first appeared in 2007. Medium Orange’s last
appearance was in a set from 2005 that I own and can confirm came with older
colors. If a color’s last year is 2005 then it is likely correct, as that year
saw the end of around 22 colors."
You are actually saying here that those PCC's you found stand for unprinted
Bright Light Orange Dinosaurs. This does not match the photos (which you
claim are bright light orange) which are printed dinosaurs.
About your statement: 'There’s no reason for this set to have ever included
the older dinosaurs.'
So maybe they stopped producing Medium Orange Dinosaurs back in 2005, but had
a lot of them left and decided to put them in a new set for one year in 2007
and change colors in 2008.
Diana
PS
It would be very helpfull if you would add comments like this to the request
they belong to. Thanks!
The Dacta sets the Medium Orange dinosaurs last appeared in were first released
in 1997. For them to have been around for a few years would have still meant
around at least five years without these things being in production before 2007
rolled around.
I have unprinted dinosaur assembly IDs. The printed IDs would have to come directly
from LEGO because printed assemblies have their own Design IDs that could be
any number in the 80000 range.
2005 had only used a few bricks and plates for a bonus box in this color. The
unprinted assembly IDs date back to early 2006, meaning that LEGO intended on
these dinosaurs being Bright Light Orange. For them to produce these older dinosaurs
in a set as late as 2007 would mean that the original IDs were still active and
available for production, which I highly doubt. The older colors did not make
it past 2006 Bionicle tubs. If they did in fact, use older colors even after
creating new IDs, this would be a special case that I haven’t seen before.
The Dacta sets the Medium Orange dinosaurs last appeared in were first released
in 1997. For them to have been around for a few years would have still meant
around at least five years without these things being in production before 2007
rolled around.
I have unprinted dinosaur assembly IDs. The printed IDs would have to come directly
from LEGO because printed assemblies have their own Design IDs that could be
any number in the 80000 range.
2005 had only used a few bricks and plates for a bonus box in this color. The
unprinted assembly IDs date back to early 2006, meaning that LEGO intended on
these dinosaurs being Bright Light Orange. For them to produce these older dinosaurs
in a set as late as 2007 would mean that the original IDs were still active and
available for production, which I highly doubt. The older colors did not make
it past 2006 Bionicle tubs. If they did in fact, use older colors even after
creating new IDs, this would be a special case that I haven’t seen before.
Daniel -
At this point, we are going to need some actual proof, and not just images that
you find. The first step would be proving these dinosaurs actually exist in bright
light orange by getting ahold of both of them. Diana has bought many of these
dinosaurs recently, and they are always medium orange.
We also have solid proof that the set was released in 2007 and then again in
2008 with all new parts and colors. So why was the 2007 version even released
if it was to be replaced only one year later? My theory is that the 2007 version
was used to clear out any remaining stock they still had on hand of the old dinosaurs.
If you get ahold of both of these dinosaurs in bright light orange, take a photo
of them next to known bright light orange and medium orange pieces for comparison
and post that here. Only then will we begin to entertain the idea of possibly
making any changes to the inventory.
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