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Part No: belvskirt19  Name: Belville, Clothes Skirt Long, Slim Fitting with Jewel
* 
belvskirt19 Belville, Clothes Skirt Long, Slim Fitting with Jewel
Parts: Belville, Figure Accessory
is Dark Purple, not Purple.
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In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  
 
Part No: belvskirt19  Name: Belville, Clothes Skirt Long, Slim Fitting with Jewel
* 
belvskirt19 Belville, Clothes Skirt Long, Slim Fitting with Jewel
Parts: Belville, Figure Accessory
is Dark Purple, not Purple.

While I agree with this change, wouldn’t this change Dark Purple’s release year
to 2000? This same dress was used in a set in 2000, but Dark Purple was first
used in 2004. Other dresses in Light Blue and Pink have this same issue. Perhaps
a catalog administrator can change the release year back to 2003?
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In Catalog Requests, here4bricks614 writes:
  In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  
 
Part No: belvskirt19  Name: Belville, Clothes Skirt Long, Slim Fitting with Jewel
* 
belvskirt19 Belville, Clothes Skirt Long, Slim Fitting with Jewel
Parts: Belville, Figure Accessory
is Dark Purple, not Purple.

While I agree with this change, wouldn’t this change Dark Purple’s release year
to 2000? This same dress was used in a set in 2000, but Dark Purple was first
used in 2004. Other dresses in Light Blue and Pink have this same issue. Perhaps
a catalog administrator can change the release year back to 2003?

I didn't notice that it was also in another set. The one I was working with
is within Dark Purple's time.

It isn't violet.

Another solution is to make the skirt N/A and put Dark Purple into its name.
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
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In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  In Catalog Requests, here4bricks614 writes:
  In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  
 
Part No: belvskirt19  Name: Belville, Clothes Skirt Long, Slim Fitting with Jewel
* 
belvskirt19 Belville, Clothes Skirt Long, Slim Fitting with Jewel
Parts: Belville, Figure Accessory
is Dark Purple, not Purple.

While I agree with this change, wouldn’t this change Dark Purple’s release year
to 2000? This same dress was used in a set in 2000, but Dark Purple was first
used in 2004. Other dresses in Light Blue and Pink have this same issue. Perhaps
a catalog administrator can change the release year back to 2003?

I didn't notice that it was also in another set. The one I was working with
is within Dark Purple's time.

It isn't violet.

Another solution is to make the skirt N/A and put Dark Purple into its name.


I believe it is fine as Dark Purple until a time when clothes from years past
may be treated differently in regards to how they are classified.

However, the dress may be different colors from different sets if it spanned
a color transition period. Changing all the sets that it appeared in to include
it as Dark Purple right away may not have been the smartest move.
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In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
  However, the dress may be different colors from different sets if it spanned
a color transition period. Changing all the sets that it appeared in to include
it as Dark Purple right away may not have been the smartest move.

I was surprised that I did that so I went to check. Nope. It was someone else.

BUT

[m=Belvfem41a]

It looks like dark purple on her too.
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In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
  However, the dress may be different colors from different sets if it spanned
a color transition period. Changing all the sets that it appeared in to include
it as Dark Purple right away may not have been the smartest move.

I was surprised that I did that so I went to check. Nope. It was someone else.

BUT

[m=Belvfem41a]

It looks like dark purple on her too.

Even though her top is more of one of the violet colors, I think.
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In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
  However, the dress may be different colors from different sets if it spanned
a color transition period. Changing all the sets that it appeared in to include
it as Dark Purple right away may not have been the smartest move.

I was surprised that I did that so I went to check. Nope. It was someone else.

BUT

[m=Belvfem41a]

It looks like dark purple on her too.


I believe it looks like it is supposed to match her top more, which looks like
one of the Violet colors if I am not mistaken.
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In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
  In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
  However, the dress may be different colors from different sets if it spanned
a color transition period. Changing all the sets that it appeared in to include
it as Dark Purple right away may not have been the smartest move.

I was surprised that I did that so I went to check. Nope. It was someone else.

BUT

[m=Belvfem41a]

It looks like dark purple on her too.


I believe it looks like it is supposed to match her top more, which looks like
one of the Violet colors if I am not mistaken.

Had to be her. I have skimmed almost every Belville doll now, but I got rid
of her because she is hideous.

There are 2 on eBay loose. One with a very clear dark purple and violet clash.
The other is harder to see because of how they posed her, but could tend toward
a better match.
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In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
  In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
  However, the dress may be different colors from different sets if it spanned
a color transition period. Changing all the sets that it appeared in to include
it as Dark Purple right away may not have been the smartest move.

I was surprised that I did that so I went to check. Nope. It was someone else.

BUT

[m=Belvfem41a]

It looks like dark purple on her too.


I believe it looks like it is supposed to match her top more, which looks like
one of the Violet colors if I am not mistaken.

I didn't want to make a promise I couldn't keep, but I am home for lunch
and checked my galleries. Here is my set from last year.
 
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In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
  In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
  However, the dress may be different colors from different sets if it spanned
a color transition period. Changing all the sets that it appeared in to include
it as Dark Purple right away may not have been the smartest move.

I was surprised that I did that so I went to check. Nope. It was someone else.

BUT

[m=Belvfem41a]

It looks like dark purple on her too.


I believe it looks like it is supposed to match her top more, which looks like
one of the Violet colors if I am not mistaken.

I didn't want to make a promise I couldn't keep, but I am home for lunch
and checked my galleries. Here is my set from last year.


Definitely a clash in that image. Looks Dark Purple.
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In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
  In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
  In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
  However, the dress may be different colors from different sets if it spanned
a color transition period. Changing all the sets that it appeared in to include
it as Dark Purple right away may not have been the smartest move.

I was surprised that I did that so I went to check. Nope. It was someone else.

BUT

[m=Belvfem41a]

It looks like dark purple on her too.


I believe it looks like it is supposed to match her top more, which looks like
one of the Violet colors if I am not mistaken.

I didn't want to make a promise I couldn't keep, but I am home for lunch
and checked my galleries. Here is my set from last year.


Definitely a clash in that image. Looks Dark Purple.

An update:

I found a Design ID for this skirt 22500. I'll request to have it added.
Interestingly, the skirts have different PCCs.

2000 skirt: 4129891 (110 Bright Bluish Violet)
2005 skirt: 4260421 (268 Medium Lilac)

We've seen skirts (belvskirt11) used before and after the color change using
the same ID, but this 'Purple' one appears to have different IDs from
before and after the color change.
Not sure how this will affect the Bricklink catalog, but I thought it was interesting
to note.
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In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
  In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  In Catalog Requests, here4bricks614 writes:
  In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  
 
Part No: belvskirt19  Name: Belville, Clothes Skirt Long, Slim Fitting with Jewel
* 
belvskirt19 Belville, Clothes Skirt Long, Slim Fitting with Jewel
Parts: Belville, Figure Accessory
is Dark Purple, not Purple.

While I agree with this change, wouldn’t this change Dark Purple’s release year
to 2000? This same dress was used in a set in 2000, but Dark Purple was first
used in 2004. Other dresses in Light Blue and Pink have this same issue. Perhaps
a catalog administrator can change the release year back to 2003?

I didn't notice that it was also in another set. The one I was working with
is within Dark Purple's time.

It isn't violet.

Another solution is to make the skirt N/A and put Dark Purple into its name.


I believe it is fine as Dark Purple until a time when clothes from years past
may be treated differently in regards to how they are classified.

However, the dress may be different colors from different sets if it spanned
a color transition period. Changing all the sets that it appeared in to include
it as Dark Purple right away may not have been the smartest move.

Those changes were made because the person who said the part is not Purple but
Dark Purple was the same person who confirmed both inventories that include
the part with source: sealed set contents.
Admittedly I had not checked/noticed that this would result in a wrong release
year for Dark Purple.

Then again, the dress from 2000 does not like purple, so what color could it
be? Violet maybe?
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In Catalog Requests, Turez writes:
  In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
  In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  In Catalog Requests, here4bricks614 writes:
  In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  
 
Part No: belvskirt19  Name: Belville, Clothes Skirt Long, Slim Fitting with Jewel
* 
belvskirt19 Belville, Clothes Skirt Long, Slim Fitting with Jewel
Parts: Belville, Figure Accessory
is Dark Purple, not Purple.

While I agree with this change, wouldn’t this change Dark Purple’s release year
to 2000? This same dress was used in a set in 2000, but Dark Purple was first
used in 2004. Other dresses in Light Blue and Pink have this same issue. Perhaps
a catalog administrator can change the release year back to 2003?

I didn't notice that it was also in another set. The one I was working with
is within Dark Purple's time.

It isn't violet.

Another solution is to make the skirt N/A and put Dark Purple into its name.


I believe it is fine as Dark Purple until a time when clothes from years past
may be treated differently in regards to how they are classified.

However, the dress may be different colors from different sets if it spanned
a color transition period. Changing all the sets that it appeared in to include
it as Dark Purple right away may not have been the smartest move.

Those changes were made because the person who said the part is not Purple but
Dark Purple was the same person who confirmed both inventories that include
the part with source: sealed set contents.
Admittedly I had not checked/noticed that this would result in a wrong release
year for Dark Purple.

Then again, the dress from 2000 does not like purple, so what color could it
be? Violet maybe?

Definitely not regular Violet. It is a squinty OK match for dark blue-violet.
But then we move the release year of that color. If it is really important,
I would change it to NA and put dark purple at the start of the name. Then it
looks in inventoried exactly like it does now, but it does appear in the color
guide.
 
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In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  In Catalog Requests, Turez writes:
  In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
  In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  In Catalog Requests, here4bricks614 writes:
  In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  
 
Part No: belvskirt19  Name: Belville, Clothes Skirt Long, Slim Fitting with Jewel
* 
belvskirt19 Belville, Clothes Skirt Long, Slim Fitting with Jewel
Parts: Belville, Figure Accessory
is Dark Purple, not Purple.

While I agree with this change, wouldn’t this change Dark Purple’s release year
to 2000? This same dress was used in a set in 2000, but Dark Purple was first
used in 2004. Other dresses in Light Blue and Pink have this same issue. Perhaps
a catalog administrator can change the release year back to 2003?

I didn't notice that it was also in another set. The one I was working with
is within Dark Purple's time.

It isn't violet.

Another solution is to make the skirt N/A and put Dark Purple into its name.


I believe it is fine as Dark Purple until a time when clothes from years past
may be treated differently in regards to how they are classified.

However, the dress may be different colors from different sets if it spanned
a color transition period. Changing all the sets that it appeared in to include
it as Dark Purple right away may not have been the smartest move.

Those changes were made because the person who said the part is not Purple but
Dark Purple was the same person who confirmed both inventories that include
the part with source: sealed set contents.
Admittedly I had not checked/noticed that this would result in a wrong release
year for Dark Purple.

Then again, the dress from 2000 does not like purple, so what color could it
be? Violet maybe?

Definitely not regular Violet. It is a squinty OK match for dark blue-violet.
But then we move the release year of that color. If it is really important,
I would change it to NA and put dark purple at the start of the name. Then it
looks in inventoried exactly like it does now, but it does appear in the color
guide.

That part in your image is the 2005 dress, isn't it? I think dark purple
is okay for that part but we need to know if the 2000 dress is the same color
(probably it isn't because dark purple did not yet exist in 2000).
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In Catalog Requests, Turez writes:
  In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  In Catalog Requests, Turez writes:
  In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
  In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  In Catalog Requests, here4bricks614 writes:
  In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  
 
Part No: belvskirt19  Name: Belville, Clothes Skirt Long, Slim Fitting with Jewel
* 
belvskirt19 Belville, Clothes Skirt Long, Slim Fitting with Jewel
Parts: Belville, Figure Accessory
is Dark Purple, not Purple.

While I agree with this change, wouldn’t this change Dark Purple’s release year
to 2000? This same dress was used in a set in 2000, but Dark Purple was first
used in 2004. Other dresses in Light Blue and Pink have this same issue. Perhaps
a catalog administrator can change the release year back to 2003?

I didn't notice that it was also in another set. The one I was working with
is within Dark Purple's time.

It isn't violet.

Another solution is to make the skirt N/A and put Dark Purple into its name.


I believe it is fine as Dark Purple until a time when clothes from years past
may be treated differently in regards to how they are classified.

However, the dress may be different colors from different sets if it spanned
a color transition period. Changing all the sets that it appeared in to include
it as Dark Purple right away may not have been the smartest move.

Those changes were made because the person who said the part is not Purple but
Dark Purple was the same person who confirmed both inventories that include
the part with source: sealed set contents.
Admittedly I had not checked/noticed that this would result in a wrong release
year for Dark Purple.

Then again, the dress from 2000 does not like purple, so what color could it
be? Violet maybe?

Definitely not regular Violet. It is a squinty OK match for dark blue-violet.
But then we move the release year of that color. If it is really important,
I would change it to NA and put dark purple at the start of the name. Then it
looks in inventoried exactly like it does now, but it does appear in the color
guide.

That part in your image is the 2005 dress, isn't it? I think dark purple
is okay for that part but we need to know if the 2000 dress is the same color
(probably it isn't because dark purple did not yet exist in 2000).

The part in my image is of the 2000 dress, taken a year ago. I just got the
2005 dress and didn't need to take a picture.
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In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  In Catalog Requests, Turez writes:
  In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  In Catalog Requests, Turez writes:
  In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
  In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  In Catalog Requests, here4bricks614 writes:
  In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  
 
Part No: belvskirt19  Name: Belville, Clothes Skirt Long, Slim Fitting with Jewel
* 
belvskirt19 Belville, Clothes Skirt Long, Slim Fitting with Jewel
Parts: Belville, Figure Accessory
is Dark Purple, not Purple.

While I agree with this change, wouldn’t this change Dark Purple’s release year
to 2000? This same dress was used in a set in 2000, but Dark Purple was first
used in 2004. Other dresses in Light Blue and Pink have this same issue. Perhaps
a catalog administrator can change the release year back to 2003?

I didn't notice that it was also in another set. The one I was working with
is within Dark Purple's time.

It isn't violet.

Another solution is to make the skirt N/A and put Dark Purple into its name.


I believe it is fine as Dark Purple until a time when clothes from years past
may be treated differently in regards to how they are classified.

However, the dress may be different colors from different sets if it spanned
a color transition period. Changing all the sets that it appeared in to include
it as Dark Purple right away may not have been the smartest move.

Those changes were made because the person who said the part is not Purple but
Dark Purple was the same person who confirmed both inventories that include
the part with source: sealed set contents.
Admittedly I had not checked/noticed that this would result in a wrong release
year for Dark Purple.

Then again, the dress from 2000 does not like purple, so what color could it
be? Violet maybe?

Definitely not regular Violet. It is a squinty OK match for dark blue-violet.
But then we move the release year of that color. If it is really important,
I would change it to NA and put dark purple at the start of the name. Then it
looks in inventoried exactly like it does now, but it does appear in the color
guide.

That part in your image is the 2005 dress, isn't it? I think dark purple
is okay for that part but we need to know if the 2000 dress is the same color
(probably it isn't because dark purple did not yet exist in 2000).

The part in my image is of the 2000 dress, taken a year ago. I just got the
2005 dress and didn't need to take a picture.

Okay. I was just confused because the figure is from
 
Set No: 5961  Name: Snow Queen
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5961-1 (Inv) Snow Queen
56 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 2005
Sets: Belville: Fairy-Tale
(I'm talking about this picture: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1318502
)

So can you say anything about a potential color difference between the dress
from 2000 and the one from 2005?
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In Catalog Requests, Turez writes:
  In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  In Catalog Requests, Turez writes:
  In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  In Catalog Requests, Turez writes:
  In Catalog Requests, randyf writes:
  In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  In Catalog Requests, here4bricks614 writes:
  In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  
 
Part No: belvskirt19  Name: Belville, Clothes Skirt Long, Slim Fitting with Jewel
* 
belvskirt19 Belville, Clothes Skirt Long, Slim Fitting with Jewel
Parts: Belville, Figure Accessory
is Dark Purple, not Purple.

While I agree with this change, wouldn’t this change Dark Purple’s release year
to 2000? This same dress was used in a set in 2000, but Dark Purple was first
used in 2004. Other dresses in Light Blue and Pink have this same issue. Perhaps
a catalog administrator can change the release year back to 2003?

I didn't notice that it was also in another set. The one I was working with
is within Dark Purple's time.

It isn't violet.

Another solution is to make the skirt N/A and put Dark Purple into its name.


I believe it is fine as Dark Purple until a time when clothes from years past
may be treated differently in regards to how they are classified.

However, the dress may be different colors from different sets if it spanned
a color transition period. Changing all the sets that it appeared in to include
it as Dark Purple right away may not have been the smartest move.

Those changes were made because the person who said the part is not Purple but
Dark Purple was the same person who confirmed both inventories that include
the part with source: sealed set contents.
Admittedly I had not checked/noticed that this would result in a wrong release
year for Dark Purple.

Then again, the dress from 2000 does not like purple, so what color could it
be? Violet maybe?

Definitely not regular Violet. It is a squinty OK match for dark blue-violet.
But then we move the release year of that color. If it is really important,
I would change it to NA and put dark purple at the start of the name. Then it
looks in inventoried exactly like it does now, but it does appear in the color
guide.

That part in your image is the 2005 dress, isn't it? I think dark purple
is okay for that part but we need to know if the 2000 dress is the same color
(probably it isn't because dark purple did not yet exist in 2000).

The part in my image is of the 2000 dress, taken a year ago. I just got the
2005 dress and didn't need to take a picture.

Okay. I was just confused because the figure is from
 
Set No: 5961  Name: Snow Queen
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5961-1 (Inv) Snow Queen
56 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 2005
Sets: Belville: Fairy-Tale
(I'm talking about this picture: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1318502
)

So can you say anything about a potential color difference between the dress
from 2000 and the one from 2005?

I assumed that the image you meant was the image of the dress in the catalog.
That image was taken a year ago when I had 5826. I don't have that dress
anymore, but the picture looks spot on to the one I have now.

Even without that, I don't think it would be correct to say that it probably
wasn't dark purple in 2000 because dark purple didn't exist yet. The
dress is made of shiny fabric, not ABS. It happens to be a good match for dark
purple ABS that came a few years later, but it was a nice dark purple shade of
fabric at the time and they probably weren't concerned about it matching
anything in the LEGO palette. I am sure they bought the fabric from another
company.
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In Catalog Requests, axaday writes:
  In Catalog Requests, Turez writes:
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Part No: belvskirt19  Name: Belville, Clothes Skirt Long, Slim Fitting with Jewel
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belvskirt19 Belville, Clothes Skirt Long, Slim Fitting with Jewel
Parts: Belville, Figure Accessory
is Dark Purple, not Purple.

While I agree with this change, wouldn’t this change Dark Purple’s release year
to 2000? This same dress was used in a set in 2000, but Dark Purple was first
used in 2004. Other dresses in Light Blue and Pink have this same issue. Perhaps
a catalog administrator can change the release year back to 2003?

I didn't notice that it was also in another set. The one I was working with
is within Dark Purple's time.

It isn't violet.

Another solution is to make the skirt N/A and put Dark Purple into its name.


I believe it is fine as Dark Purple until a time when clothes from years past
may be treated differently in regards to how they are classified.

However, the dress may be different colors from different sets if it spanned
a color transition period. Changing all the sets that it appeared in to include
it as Dark Purple right away may not have been the smartest move.

Those changes were made because the person who said the part is not Purple but
Dark Purple was the same person who confirmed both inventories that include
the part with source: sealed set contents.
Admittedly I had not checked/noticed that this would result in a wrong release
year for Dark Purple.

Then again, the dress from 2000 does not like purple, so what color could it
be? Violet maybe?

Definitely not regular Violet. It is a squinty OK match for dark blue-violet.
But then we move the release year of that color. If it is really important,
I would change it to NA and put dark purple at the start of the name. Then it
looks in inventoried exactly like it does now, but it does appear in the color
guide.

That part in your image is the 2005 dress, isn't it? I think dark purple
is okay for that part but we need to know if the 2000 dress is the same color
(probably it isn't because dark purple did not yet exist in 2000).

The part in my image is of the 2000 dress, taken a year ago. I just got the
2005 dress and didn't need to take a picture.

Okay. I was just confused because the figure is from
 
Set No: 5961  Name: Snow Queen
* 
5961-1 (Inv) Snow Queen
56 Parts, 1 Minifigure, 2005
Sets: Belville: Fairy-Tale
(I'm talking about this picture: https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1318502
)

So can you say anything about a potential color difference between the dress
from 2000 and the one from 2005?

I assumed that the image you meant was the image of the dress in the catalog.
That image was taken a year ago when I had 5826.

Um, that image is from roxanne...
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogColors.asp?itemType=P&itemNo=belvskirt19&v=2
And the catalog entry was added in 2005 so it could well be the dress from that
year and not from 2000.


  I don't have that dress
anymore, but the picture looks spot on to the one I have now.

Even without that, I don't think it would be correct to say that it probably
wasn't dark purple in 2000 because dark purple didn't exist yet. The
dress is made of shiny fabric, not ABS. It happens to be a good match for dark
purple ABS that came a few years later, but it was a nice dark purple shade of
fabric at the time and they probably weren't concerned about it matching
anything in the LEGO palette. I am sure they bought the fabric from another
company.

I agree, but from what I can see we don't know so far *if* the dress from
2000 is actually dark purple or not.
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In Catalog Requests, Turez writes:
  Um, that image is from roxanne...
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogColors.asp?itemType=P&itemNo=belvskirt19&v=2
And the catalog entry was added in 2005 so it could well be the dress from that
year and not from 2000.

My goodness. I looked several times. Glanced. The X fooled me. It looks like
one of my old pictures.

  I agree, but from what I can see we don't know so far *if* the dress from
2000 is actually dark purple or not.

I feel pretty comfortable. It looks the same in set pictures and the picture
of the completed witch. And if it hadn't looked like the catalog picture
when I sorted the set out, I would have taken a new picture. I took 20some of
the pictures in that inventory. I don't sell a piece that I don't think
has a picture that represents it well enough.

Lego didn't have bricks that color in 2000, but the set box and instructions
are that color and it is very similar to Trans-Purple used in that set.
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LEGO Customer Service says no color is attributed to the 2005 skirt (4260421)
and that they could not find a color attributed to the 2000 skirt (4129891).
I've asked them about a few other cloth parts which turned out to be N/A.
If these are both the exact same color, I believe they should both be moved to
Violet. That way, the Dark Purple start year is reverted back to 2003.