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 Author: Singidunum View Messages Posted By Singidunum
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 Subject: Approved changes not showing in the Catalog?
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Singidunum (368)

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I submitted four Catalog change request in order to change incorrect release
dates for sets 6450, 6480, 6750 and 6780. These changes were approved 4 days
ago, however the Catalog still shows old data for that field (year 1986).

Is it standard to have such a long delay between approval of Catalog change requests
and implementation of those changes in the Catalog?
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In Catalog, Singidunum writes:
  I submitted four Catalog change request in order to change incorrect release
dates for sets 6450, 6480, 6750 and 6780. These changes were approved 4 days
ago, however the Catalog still shows old data for that field (year 1986).

Is it standard to have such a long delay between approval of Catalog change requests
and implementation of those changes in the Catalog?

Normally, the announcement / implementation of the change was the release of
the change.
 Author: Singidunum View Messages Posted By Singidunum
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  In Catalog, Dino1 writes:
Normally, the announcement / implementation of the change was the release of
the change.

It looks especially strange to me that the "Change Log" for each of those 4 sets
lists my changes like they have been implemented, although these changes were
not executed (so far).
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
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In Catalog, Singidunum writes:
  
  In Catalog, Dino1 writes:
Normally, the announcement / implementation of the change was the release of
the change.

It looks especially strange to me that the "Change Log" for each of those 4 sets
lists my changes like they have been implemented, although these changes were
not executed (so far).


The change requests were accepted on accident by another admin. That is why they
show as accepted. However, the requests were still being looked into, so the
changes were reverted immediately. The evidence so far suggests these sets were
not released until the next year after being originally advertised, so the current
data is most likely correct.
 Author: Singidunum View Messages Posted By Singidunum
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  In Catalog, randyf writes:
The evidence so far suggests these sets were not released until the next year after being originally advertised, so the current data is most likely correct.

Can you please specify those evidence? I'm curious, since I have impression
these 4 sets were supposed to be released in Autumn 1985 in Europe:

• European Lego catalogs from 1985 are showing these sets with a note "New 1985
- Available October" (for example, please see this catalog, page 27: https://images.brickset.com/library/Catalogues/c85uk.pdf
or this catalog, pages 19 and 25: https://images.brickset.com/library/Catalogues/c85eu.pdf)

• Also, year 1985 is printed on instructions for these sets, as well as on their
boxes.

I know catalogs from 1986 again showed these sets as "new", which is probably
why they were marked as "released in 1986" in the Catalog.
 Author: macebobo View Messages Posted By macebobo
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In Catalog, Singidunum writes:
  
  In Catalog, randyf writes:
The evidence so far suggests these sets were not released until the next year after being originally advertised, so the current data is most likely correct.

Can you please specify those evidence? I'm curious, since I have impression
these 4 sets were supposed to be released in Autumn 1985 in Europe:

• European Lego catalogs from 1985 are showing these sets with a note "New 1985
- Available October" (for example, please see this catalog, page 27: https://images.brickset.com/library/Catalogues/c85uk.pdf
or this catalog, pages 19 and 25: https://images.brickset.com/library/Catalogues/c85eu.pdf)

• Also, year 1985 is printed on instructions for these sets, as well as on their
boxes.

I know catalogs from 1986 again showed these sets as "new", which is probably
why they were marked as "released in 1986" in the Catalog.

I have nothing to add as far as the Bricklink catalog goes, but those old catalogs
are very nostalgic!

I turned 20 in 1985 and didn't want to have anything to do with Lego back
then, thus the beginning of my dark period.

Thank you for posting them.
 Author: crazylegoman View Messages Posted By crazylegoman
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In Catalog, Singidunum writes:
  
  In Catalog, randyf writes:
The evidence so far suggests these sets were not released until the next year after being originally advertised, so the current data is most likely correct.

Can you please specify those evidence? I'm curious, since I have impression
these 4 sets were supposed to be released in Autumn 1985 in Europe:

• European Lego catalogs from 1985 are showing these sets with a note "New 1985
- Available October" (for example, please see this catalog, page 27: https://images.brickset.com/library/Catalogues/c85uk.pdf
or this catalog, pages 19 and 25: https://images.brickset.com/library/Catalogues/c85eu.pdf)

• Also, year 1985 is printed on instructions for these sets, as well as on their
boxes.

I know catalogs from 1986 again showed these sets as "new", which is probably
why they were marked as "released in 1986" in the Catalog.

You have to admit, he has a convincing argument since the LEGO catalog does say
October 1985. Unless there's evidence showing that the set release dates
were delayed until the beginning of 1986, I don't see why they couldn't
be changed to 1985.

I assume that the release date listed for sets in the BL catalog is the year
that the set was released somewhere on the planet. (Of course, not every
set is released at the same time in every country.)

David
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In Catalog, Singidunum writes:
  
  In Catalog, randyf writes:
The evidence so far suggests these sets were not released until the next year after being originally advertised, so the current data is most likely correct.

Can you please specify those evidence?

 
Book No: 9783935976640  Name: Collector's Guide 2nd Edition
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9783935976640 Collector's Guide 2nd Edition
Books: Informational Book
A lot of known LEGO experts have worked on that book including people from TLG
itself. Do you need more evidence?
 
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  In Catalog, Turez writes:
A lot of known LEGO experts have worked on that book including people from TLG
itself. Do you need more evidence?

Thanks for posting this. Unfortunately, such books can not be used as evidence,
since they in fact show only the opinion of it's authors and consultants
(and are not necessarily always right). We also don't know if people from
TLG were consulted about those four sets.

Since many Lego catalogs from 1985 are showing these sets, and there is a year
1985 printed on their instructions and boxes, it would be very useful to see
some REAL proof that these sets were not released in ANY country in 1985.
 Author: Turez View Messages Posted By Turez
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In Catalog, Singidunum writes:
  
  In Catalog, Turez writes:
A lot of known LEGO experts have worked on that book including people from TLG
itself. Do you need more evidence?

Thanks for posting this. Unfortunately, such books can not be used as evidence,
since they in fact show only the opinion of it's authors and consultants
(and are not necessarily always right). We also don't know if people from
TLG were consulted about those four sets.

As said, a lot of known LEGO experts have worked on that book. I'm sure the
note about those sets would not have been added if there was any doubt about
it. But if you have any evidence that the information about the year of release
of those sets shown in that book is wrong, please let us know.

  Since many Lego catalogs from 1985 are showing these sets, and there is a year
1985 printed on their instructions and boxes, it would be very useful to see
some REAL proof that these sets were not released in ANY country in 1985.

For now, everything points towards 1986 as year of release:
- The fact that the sets are shown again as new releases in catalogs from 1986.
- The collectors guide, see above.
- These sets introduced a completely new light&sound system, something that TLG
has never done before, so it is well possible that it took longer than expected
to get it ready for production.

For us, I think this is enough evidence to keep 1986 as the year of release.
If you want to change that, it is now up to you to present additional evidence
that the sets were already available in 1985.
 Author: BricksThatStick View Messages Posted By BricksThatStick
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In Catalog, Turez writes:
  In Catalog, Singidunum writes:
  
  In Catalog, Turez writes:
A lot of known LEGO experts have worked on that book including people from TLG
itself. Do you need more evidence?

Thanks for posting this. Unfortunately, such books can not be used as evidence,
since they in fact show only the opinion of it's authors and consultants
(and are not necessarily always right). We also don't know if people from
TLG were consulted about those four sets.

As said, a lot of known LEGO experts have worked on that book. I'm sure the
note about those sets would not have been added if there was any doubt about
it. But if you have any evidence that the information about the year of release
of those sets shown in that book is wrong, please let us know.

  Since many Lego catalogs from 1985 are showing these sets, and there is a year
1985 printed on their instructions and boxes, it would be very useful to see
some REAL proof that these sets were not released in ANY country in 1985.

For now, everything points towards 1986 as year of release:
- The fact that the sets are shown again as new releases in catalogs from 1986.
- The collectors guide, see above.
- These sets introduced a completely new light&sound system, something that TLG
has never done before, so it is well possible that it took longer than expected
to get it ready for production.

For us, I think this is enough evidence to keep 1986 as the year of release.
If you want to change that, it is now up to you to present additional evidence
that the sets were already available in 1985.

And a couple of those sets have previously been changed by Jan_k from 1985 to
1986. We can't see the reasoning behind that now but I'm sure solid evidence
was presented at the time.
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In Catalog, Singidunum writes:
  
  In Catalog, Turez writes:
A lot of known LEGO experts have worked on that book including people from TLG
itself. Do you need more evidence?

Thanks for posting this. Unfortunately, such books can not be used as evidence,
since they in fact show only the opinion of it's authors and consultants
(and are not necessarily always right). We also don't know if people from
TLG were consulted about those four sets.

Since many Lego catalogs from 1985 are showing these sets, and there is a year
1985 printed on their instructions and boxes
, it would be very useful to see
some REAL proof that these sets were not released in ANY country in 1985.

I would reword like this:

Since many Lego catalogs from 1985 are showing these sets, and there is a year
1985 printed on their instructions and boxes which does not prove anything,
it would be very useful to see some REAL proof that these sets were released
in A country in 1985.

See photos of instructions of
 
Set No: 371  Name: Seaplane
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371-3 (Inv) Seaplane
107 Parts, 2 Minifigures, 1977
Sets: Legoland: Airport
printed in Canada and Europe. This set was released in Canada and USA in 1977,
 
Set No: 712  Name: Sea Plane
* 
712-1 (Inv) Sea Plane
107 Parts, 2 Minifigures, 1977
Sets: Legoland: Airport
as far as I could check based on catalogs in Canada and USA.