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 Author: cosmicray View Messages Posted By cosmicray
 Posted: Oct 30, 2021 20:12
 Subject: Minifigs are volume or weight bound ?
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cosmicray (3573)

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On this Help center page ...

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2510

near the top, it says ...

Weight Bound should be used for parts that are approximately 2 x 2 x 2 cm
and smaller. Volume Bound should be used for large or unusually shaped parts,
e.g. sticker sheets.


A typical minifig has a Catalog specification of 2.6 x 4.0 x 1.04 cm, and is
marked as weight bound. Two of the three dimensions are greater than 2.0 cm,
so I would have expected it to be volume bound (per the Help center page).

The minifig I am looking at is
 
Minifig No: nba014  Name: NBA Allan Houston, New York Knicks #20
* 
nba014 (Inv) NBA Allan Houston, New York Knicks #20
Minifigures: Sports: Basketball

Can someone comment on why this deviates from the recommendation.

thanks, Nita Rae
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: Oct 30, 2021 20:18
 Subject: Re: Minifigs are volume or weight bound ?
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In Catalog, cosmicray writes:
  On this Help center page ...

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2510

near the top, it says ...

Weight Bound should be used for parts that are approximately 2 x 2 x 2 cm
and smaller. Volume Bound should be used for large or unusually shaped parts,
e.g. sticker sheets.


A typical minifig has a Catalog specification of 2.6 x 4.0 x 1.04 cm, and is
marked as weight bound. Two of the three dimensions are greater than 2.0 cm,
so I would have expected it to be volume bound (per the Help center page).

The minifig I am looking at is
 
Minifig No: nba014  Name: NBA Allan Houston, New York Knicks #20
* 
nba014 (Inv) NBA Allan Houston, New York Knicks #20
Minifigures: Sports: Basketball

Can someone comment on why this deviates from the recommendation.

thanks, Nita Rae


Every dimension (x, y, and z) needs to be greater than 2cm in length to be considered
volume bound. This is due to the roughly 2cm thickness rule in many postal systems
that causes a parcel to switch postal categories after the 2cm thickness is crossed.
Most minifigures have one dimension that is less than that, so are weight bound.
DUPLO figures on the other hand are volume bound because no dimension is less
than 2cm in length.

Cheers,
Randy
 Author: cosmicray View Messages Posted By cosmicray
 Posted: Oct 31, 2021 06:43
 Subject: Re: Minifigs are volume or weight bound ?
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cosmicray (3573)

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In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, cosmicray writes:
  On this Help center page ...

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2510

near the top, it says ...

Weight Bound should be used for parts that are approximately 2 x 2 x 2 cm
and smaller. Volume Bound should be used for large or unusually shaped parts,
e.g. sticker sheets.


A typical minifig has a Catalog specification of 2.6 x 4.0 x 1.04 cm, and is
marked as weight bound. Two of the three dimensions are greater than 2.0 cm,
so I would have expected it to be volume bound (per the Help center page).

The minifig I am looking at is
 
Minifig No: nba014  Name: NBA Allan Houston, New York Knicks #20
* 
nba014 (Inv) NBA Allan Houston, New York Knicks #20
Minifigures: Sports: Basketball

Can someone comment on why this deviates from the recommendation.

thanks, Nita Rae


Every dimension (x, y, and z) needs to be greater than 2cm in length to be considered
volume bound. This is due to the roughly 2cm thickness rule in many postal systems
that causes a parcel to switch postal categories after the 2cm thickness is crossed.
Most minifigures have one dimension that is less than that, so are weight bound.
DUPLO figures on the other hand are volume bound because no dimension is less
than 2cm in length.

Cheers,
Randy

I knew that USPS has a thickness constraint for letter mail, so I went and looked
it up ... 0.25 inches (or 0.64 cm). My first reaction is that something is coded
into the catalog system that works in some postal jurisdictions, but not in others.
Am I interpreting this correctly ?

thanks, Nita Rae
 Author: cosmicray View Messages Posted By cosmicray
 Posted: Oct 31, 2021 08:28
 Subject: Re: Minifigs are volume or weight bound ?
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cosmicray (3573)

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In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, cosmicray writes:
  On this Help center page ...

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2510

near the top, it says ...

Weight Bound should be used for parts that are approximately 2 x 2 x 2 cm
and smaller. Volume Bound should be used for large or unusually shaped parts,
e.g. sticker sheets.


A typical minifig has a Catalog specification of 2.6 x 4.0 x 1.04 cm, and is
marked as weight bound. Two of the three dimensions are greater than 2.0 cm,
so I would have expected it to be volume bound (per the Help center page).

The minifig I am looking at is
 
Minifig No: nba014  Name: NBA Allan Houston, New York Knicks #20
* 
nba014 (Inv) NBA Allan Houston, New York Knicks #20
Minifigures: Sports: Basketball

Can someone comment on why this deviates from the recommendation.

thanks, Nita Rae


Every dimension (x, y, and z) needs to be greater than 2cm in length to be considered
volume bound. This is due to the roughly 2cm thickness rule in many postal systems
that causes a parcel to switch postal categories after the 2cm thickness is crossed.
Most minifigures have one dimension that is less than that, so are weight bound.
DUPLO figures on the other hand are volume bound because no dimension is less
than 2cm in length.

Cheers,
Randy

Also note that the Help Center page specifically mentions that sticker sheets
should be Volume Bound. Like minifigs, sticker sheets do not meet the requirement
that all dimensions are greater than 2.0 cm. Either the Help page needs to be
revised, or the rules of when applicable are more fluid than we have been led
to believe.

Nita Rae
 Author: BricksThatStick View Messages Posted By BricksThatStick
 Posted: Oct 31, 2021 08:52
 Subject: Re: Minifigs are volume or weight bound ?
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In Catalog, cosmicray writes:
  In Catalog, randyf writes:
  In Catalog, cosmicray writes:
  On this Help center page ...

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2510

near the top, it says ...

Weight Bound should be used for parts that are approximately 2 x 2 x 2 cm
and smaller. Volume Bound should be used for large or unusually shaped parts,
e.g. sticker sheets.


A typical minifig has a Catalog specification of 2.6 x 4.0 x 1.04 cm, and is
marked as weight bound. Two of the three dimensions are greater than 2.0 cm,
so I would have expected it to be volume bound (per the Help center page).

The minifig I am looking at is
 
Minifig No: nba014  Name: NBA Allan Houston, New York Knicks #20
* 
nba014 (Inv) NBA Allan Houston, New York Knicks #20
Minifigures: Sports: Basketball

Can someone comment on why this deviates from the recommendation.

thanks, Nita Rae


Every dimension (x, y, and z) needs to be greater than 2cm in length to be considered
volume bound. This is due to the roughly 2cm thickness rule in many postal systems
that causes a parcel to switch postal categories after the 2cm thickness is crossed.
Most minifigures have one dimension that is less than that, so are weight bound.
DUPLO figures on the other hand are volume bound because no dimension is less
than 2cm in length.

Cheers,
Randy

Also note that the Help Center page specifically mentions that sticker sheets
should be Volume Bound. Like minifigs, sticker sheets do not meet the requirement
that all dimensions are greater than 2.0 cm. Either the Help page needs to be
revised, or the rules of when applicable are more fluid than we have been led
to believe.

Nita Rae

There are a couple of exceptions, plastic and cloth, which are not documented
and sticker sheets should be set to volume at the point of approval if not submitted
as such.

We are hoping the development team are also able to set entire part categories
to volume bound where needed but we need to see what is released in stage 3 that
Russell is referring to.
 Author: Emporiosa View Messages Posted By Emporiosa
 Posted: Oct 30, 2021 20:20
 Subject: Re: Minifigs are volume or weight bound ?
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In Catalog, cosmicray writes:
  On this Help center page ...

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2510

near the top, it says ...

Weight Bound should be used for parts that are approximately 2 x 2 x 2 cm
and smaller. Volume Bound should be used for large or unusually shaped parts,
e.g. sticker sheets.


A typical minifig has a Catalog specification of 2.6 x 4.0 x 1.04 cm, and is
marked as weight bound. Two of the three dimensions are greater than 2.0 cm,
so I would have expected it to be volume bound (per the Help center page).

The minifig I am looking at is
 
Minifig No: nba014  Name: NBA Allan Houston, New York Knicks #20
* 
nba014 (Inv) NBA Allan Houston, New York Knicks #20
Minifigures: Sports: Basketball

Can someone comment on why this deviates from the recommendation.

thanks, Nita Rae

I might be mistaken, but the way I understand it (because I'm in a country
that is affected by the 2cm rule for Lettermail) is that it's looking for
when all 3 of the dimensions are over 2cm. I agree that the way it's written
seems more like total volume, but from practice we only care when all 3 dimensions
are over 2cm due to Lettermail limits.
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: Oct 31, 2021 00:04
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In Catalog, cosmicray writes:
  On this Help center page ...

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2510

near the top, it says ...

Weight Bound should be used for parts that are approximately 2 x 2 x 2 cm
and smaller. Volume Bound should be used for large or unusually shaped parts,
e.g. sticker sheets.


A typical minifig has a Catalog specification of 2.6 x 4.0 x 1.04 cm, and is
marked as weight bound. Two of the three dimensions are greater than 2.0 cm,
so I would have expected it to be volume bound (per the Help center page).

The minifig I am looking at is
 
Minifig No: nba014  Name: NBA Allan Houston, New York Knicks #20
* 
nba014 (Inv) NBA Allan Houston, New York Knicks #20
Minifigures: Sports: Basketball

Can someone comment on why this deviates from the recommendation.

thanks, Nita Rae

All Item Types other than Parts will be permanently set to Volume Bound. We haven't
gotten to this yet, but it will happen in Phase 3. Parts is the only Item Type
where items can be set either to Weight or Volume.
 Author: cosmicray View Messages Posted By cosmicray
 Posted: Oct 31, 2021 06:34
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In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Catalog, cosmicray writes:
  On this Help center page ...

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2510

near the top, it says ...

Weight Bound should be used for parts that are approximately 2 x 2 x 2 cm
and smaller. Volume Bound should be used for large or unusually shaped parts,
e.g. sticker sheets.


A typical minifig has a Catalog specification of 2.6 x 4.0 x 1.04 cm, and is
marked as weight bound. Two of the three dimensions are greater than 2.0 cm,
so I would have expected it to be volume bound (per the Help center page).

The minifig I am looking at is
 
Minifig No: nba014  Name: NBA Allan Houston, New York Knicks #20
* 
nba014 (Inv) NBA Allan Houston, New York Knicks #20
Minifigures: Sports: Basketball

Can someone comment on why this deviates from the recommendation.

thanks, Nita Rae

All Item Types other than Parts will be permanently set to Volume Bound. We haven't
gotten to this yet, but it will happen in Phase 3. Parts is the only Item Type
where items can be set either to Weight or Volume.

OK, and thank you. Is that purely concerning the Catalog representation or does
that go beyond the catalog into IC ? I ask because it appears that I have the
ability override that on a specific lot, and am curious if it is having an effect
or not.

thanks, Nita Rae
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
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In Catalog, cosmicray writes:
  In Catalog, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Catalog, cosmicray writes:
  On this Help center page ...

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2510

near the top, it says ...

Weight Bound should be used for parts that are approximately 2 x 2 x 2 cm
and smaller. Volume Bound should be used for large or unusually shaped parts,
e.g. sticker sheets.


A typical minifig has a Catalog specification of 2.6 x 4.0 x 1.04 cm, and is
marked as weight bound. Two of the three dimensions are greater than 2.0 cm,
so I would have expected it to be volume bound (per the Help center page).

The minifig I am looking at is
 
Minifig No: nba014  Name: NBA Allan Houston, New York Knicks #20
* 
nba014 (Inv) NBA Allan Houston, New York Knicks #20
Minifigures: Sports: Basketball

Can someone comment on why this deviates from the recommendation.

thanks, Nita Rae

All Item Types other than Parts will be permanently set to Volume Bound. We haven't
gotten to this yet, but it will happen in Phase 3. Parts is the only Item Type
where items can be set either to Weight or Volume.

OK, and thank you. Is that purely concerning the Catalog representation or does
that go beyond the catalog into IC ? I ask because it appears that I have the
ability override that on a specific lot, and am curious if it is having an effect
or not.

thanks, Nita Rae

IC and Catalog are now one. We consider these "system" dimensions that will work
95% of the time. For situations where they do not work, that is what the custom
dimensions are for. You can override any system weight or dimension.

We will test the system completely in Phase 3 and make sure that the values we
input into the system are actually working as intended in IC.