it's the second time I get framed.
I bought in a shop which had the lesser price for an item, then in the invoice
VAT came and the price became suddenly unconvenient.
If I do not pay, then, I get a NPB, so I am forced to.
I think it should be NOT my task to know if a VAT will be added to the final
price, but bricklink's.
Plus all the price guide is now falsed because the price I read is not the price
I get.
Since bricklink knows where I live, and it puts me the price in the convenient
local currency, I believe they should as soon as possible add the option to add
or remove the VAT additional price to the final price I read in the price guide.
I am very annoyed today.
This VAT collecting change is really pushing people away from BL...
it's the second time I get framed.
I bought in a shop which had the lesser price for an item, then in the invoice
VAT came and the price became suddenly unconvenient.
It was my understanding that VAT was being added to to the offer price when you
were shown the listing, provided that you were logged into your account, and
that account showed the correct national destination.
Is there any more to how you were placing the order that might have mislead BL
about what to show you for the offer price ?
The only viable alternative is that you stick to sellers who use Instant Checkout,
as those will force the system to add on taxes and VAT before you actually
create the order.
I have no idea if Quote Request would adjust for VAT.
it's the second time I get framed.
I bought in a shop which had the lesser price for an item, then in the invoice
VAT came and the price became suddenly unconvenient.
It was my understanding that VAT was being added to to the offer price when you
were shown the listing, provided that you were logged into your account, and
that account showed the correct national destination.
Is there any more to how you were placing the order that might have mislead BL
about what to show you for the offer price ?
The only viable alternative is that you stick to sellers who use Instant Checkout,
as those will force the system to add on taxes and VAT before you actually
create the order.
I have no idea if Quote Request would adjust for VAT.
The price guide and listings in a store do not show the extra VAT due to importing
from a foreign seller. However, this is shown as an extra charge in the cart
before the buyer chooses to click the four buttons necessary to place an order.
I think this is the right way to do it, since when importing the VAT is essentially
an import tax. A buyer in the same country as the seller would be paying the
price in the price guide (so long as the seller is not VAT registered). Otherwise,
what should be shown for current and sold prices? They would need to be dynamic
calculated depending on whether the buyer is logged in and their country and
the seller's country.
[…]
The price guide and listings in a store do not show the extra VAT due to importing
from a foreign seller. However, this is shown as an extra charge in the cart
before the buyer chooses to click the four buttons necessary to place an order.
I think this is the right way to do it, since when importing the VAT is essentially
an import tax. A buyer in the same country as the seller would be paying the
price in the price guide (so long as the seller is not VAT registered). Otherwise,
what should be shown for current and sold prices? They would need to be dynamic
calculated depending on whether the buyer is logged in and their country and
the seller's country.
Or with their IP.
Also, VAT is collected by BL only when the total amount is below €150 for EU
and £135 for UK… so, for parts or sets below those thresholds, BL would have
to know whether you’ll buy more from the same seller or not. How, reading your
mind?
On the other hand, VAT is alwasy due on imports. So BL could add VAT anyway…
except sometimes neither the seller nor BL charge it, so it’d be wrong.
That VAT is always due also means that saying the price was steeper than expected
means the buyer didn’t know the seller was not in their VAT-zone (either EU or
UK).
But it’s actually cheaper to pay VAT on BL as you don’t have the administrative
fee to pay at delivery. (Well, when you don’t pay VAT twice.)
So it’s still not because BL charged the VAT that the price was higher, it’s
not that BL does or does not show VAT soon enough, it’s that the buyer is buying
out of their VAT zone without knowing it.
[…]
The price guide and listings in a store do not show the extra VAT due to importing
from a foreign seller. However, this is shown as an extra charge in the cart
before the buyer chooses to click the four buttons necessary to place an order.
I think this is the right way to do it, since when importing the VAT is essentially
an import tax. A buyer in the same country as the seller would be paying the
price in the price guide (so long as the seller is not VAT registered). Otherwise,
what should be shown for current and sold prices? They would need to be dynamic
calculated depending on whether the buyer is logged in and their country and
the seller's country.
Or with their IP.
Also, VAT is collected by BL only when the total amount is below €150 for EU
and £135 for UK… so, for parts or sets below those thresholds, BL would have
to know whether you’ll buy more from the same seller or not. How, reading your
mind?
On the other hand, VAT is alwasy due on imports. So BL could add VAT anyway…
except sometimes neither the seller nor BL charge it, so it’d be wrong.
That VAT is always due also means that saying the price was steeper than expected
means the buyer didn’t know the seller was not in their VAT-zone (either EU or
UK).
But it’s actually cheaper to pay VAT on BL as you don’t have the administrative
fee to pay at delivery. (Well, when you don’t pay VAT twice.)
So it’s still not because BL charged the VAT that the price was higher, it’s
not that BL does or does not show VAT soon enough, it’s that the buyer is buying
out of their VAT zone without knowing it.
I think Bricklink prices need an indicator for EU buyers when they are with(or
without) VAT included.
I think this is the right way to do it, since when importing the VAT is essentially
an import tax. A buyer in the same country as the seller would be paying the
price in the price guide (so long as the seller is not VAT registered). Otherwise,
what should be shown for current and sold prices? They would need to be dynamic
calculated depending on whether the buyer is logged in and their country and
the seller's country.
Yes, as much as they show me the red box or green box wheter I can buy that part
or not.
I think this is the right way to do it, since when importing the VAT is essentially
an import tax. A buyer in the same country as the seller would be paying the
price in the price guide (so long as the seller is not VAT registered). Otherwise,
what should be shown for current and sold prices? They would need to be dynamic
calculated depending on whether the buyer is logged in and their country and
the seller's country.
Yes, as much as they show me the red box or green box wheter I can buy that part
or not.
Think about what would happen. If an Italian seller sells a rare 50 Eur item
(and it is the only one sold) and another Italian seller uses the price guide
to price based on it, they would list at 50 Euro. Whereas, for example, a UK
seller would see 60 Euro if UK VAT is added, so they would list at 60 Eur. Multiple
different prices based on a single sale.
I think this is the right way to do it, since when importing the VAT is essentially
an import tax. A buyer in the same country as the seller would be paying the
price in the price guide (so long as the seller is not VAT registered). Otherwise,
what should be shown for current and sold prices? They would need to be dynamic
calculated depending on whether the buyer is logged in and their country and
the seller's country.
Yes, as much as they show me the red box or green box wheter I can buy that part
or not.
Think about what would happen. If an Italian seller sells a rare 50 Eur item
(and it is the only one sold) and another Italian seller uses the price guide
to price based on it, they would list at 50 Euro. Whereas, for example, a UK
seller would see 60 Euro if UK VAT is added, so they would list at 60 Eur. Multiple
different prices based on a single sale.
Well this would be a problem too, but far lesser than the one I believe people
have now.
Italy, Veneto
USA
United Kingdom, England
France, Nouvelle-Aquitaine
Spain, Comunidad Valenciana