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| | | Author: | CanadaFirst  | | Posted: | Jul 21, 2021 15:38 | | Subject: | Buyer requests we commit fraud - a solution | | Viewed: | 370 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | | Status: | Open | | Vote: | [Yes|No] | |
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| I imagine we are not the first ones in this situation:
An international buyer requests that we declare a lower value for his package
or that we declare that it is a gift.
We never do it since it would be fraud and we could end up with a hefty fine
and we don't want to chance it.
We have had situations where we canceled orders for buyers because of that and
so far so good, no problems there. However if a buyer were to leave a negative
feedback for this, not sure if briclink would remove it.
There should be a cancellation category where the description is 'buyer requested
false customs declaration' which would stop a buyer from posting feedback
on the order. The evidence is easy to see for it being true since usually the
buyers ask for it on the order comments...
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| | | | | Author: | kzinti | | Posted: | Jul 21, 2021 15:49 | | Subject: | Re: Buyer requests we commit fraud - a solution | | Viewed: | 99 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, CanadaFirst writes:
| | I imagine we are not the first ones in this situation:
An international buyer requests that we declare a lower value for his package
or that we declare that it is a gift.
We never do it since it would be fraud and we could end up with a hefty fine
and we don't want to chance it.
We have had situations where we canceled orders for buyers because of that and
so far so good, no problems there. However if a buyer were to leave a negative
feedback for this, not sure if briclink would remove it.
There should be a cancellation category where the description is 'buyer requested
false customs declaration' which would stop a buyer from posting feedback
on the order. The evidence is easy to see for it being true since usually the
buyers ask for it on the order comments...
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That would never happen... (looks at only negative) oh yeah...
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| | | | | | | Author: | zorbanj | | Posted: | Jul 21, 2021 16:03 | | Subject: | Re: Buyer requests we commit fraud - a solution | | Viewed: | 79 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Your only negative, which is from 7 years ago, and yet it still factors into
your shop's feedback percentage. Kind of like a double whammy. Terrible.
In Suggestions, kzinti writes:
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That would never happen... (looks at only negative) oh yeah...
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| | | | | Author: | Brickwilbo | | Posted: | Jul 21, 2021 16:11 | | Subject: | Re: Buyer requests we commit fraud - a solution | | Viewed: | 79 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, CanadaFirst writes:
| | I imagine we are not the first ones in this situation:
An international buyer requests that we declare a lower value for his package
or that we declare that it is a gift.
We never do it since it would be fraud and we could end up with a hefty fine
and we don't want to chance it.
We have had situations where we canceled orders for buyers because of that and
so far so good, no problems there. However if a buyer were to leave a negative
feedback for this, not sure if briclink would remove it.
There should be a cancellation category where the description is 'buyer requested
false customs declaration' which would stop a buyer from posting feedback
on the order. The evidence is easy to see for it being true since usually the
buyers ask for it on the order comments...
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Report the buyer here https://www.bricklink.com/problemMember.asp
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| | | | | | | Author: | CanadaFirst | | Posted: | Jul 21, 2021 16:20 | | Subject: | Re: Buyer requests we commit fraud - a solution | | Viewed: | 75 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
| | In Suggestions, CanadaFirst writes:
| | I imagine we are not the first ones in this situation:
An international buyer requests that we declare a lower value for his package
or that we declare that it is a gift.
We never do it since it would be fraud and we could end up with a hefty fine
and we don't want to chance it.
We have had situations where we canceled orders for buyers because of that and
so far so good, no problems there. However if a buyer were to leave a negative
feedback for this, not sure if briclink would remove it.
There should be a cancellation category where the description is 'buyer requested
false customs declaration' which would stop a buyer from posting feedback
on the order. The evidence is easy to see for it being true since usually the
buyers ask for it on the order comments...
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Report the buyer here https://www.bricklink.com/problemMember.asp
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I will wait to see, often when we explain the situation the buyer understands
and accepts that customs declarations are legal documents but if he asks for
a cancellation we will report him.
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| | | | | Author: | cosmicray | | Posted: | Jul 21, 2021 16:19 | | Subject: | Re: Buyer requests we commit fraud - a solution | | Viewed: | 75 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, CanadaFirst writes:
| | I imagine we are not the first ones in this situation:
An international buyer requests that we declare a lower value for his package
or that we declare that it is a gift.
We never do it since it would be fraud and we could end up with a hefty fine
and we don't want to chance it.
We have had situations where we canceled orders for buyers because of that and
so far so good, no problems there. However if a buyer were to leave a negative
feedback for this, not sure if briclink would remove it.
There should be a cancellation category where the description is 'buyer requested
false customs declaration' which would stop a buyer from posting feedback
on the order. The evidence is easy to see for it being true since usually the
buyers ask for it on the order comments...
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Order Cancellation Policy
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=79
Under the subsection for Sellers, see #16
| | Buyer requested falsifying customs declarations or requested the order be marked as "gift" in order to avoid customs fees.
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Nita Rae
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| | | | | | | Author: | CanadaFirst | | Posted: | Jul 21, 2021 16:24 | | Subject: | Re: Buyer requests we commit fraud - a solution | | Viewed: | 70 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, cosmicray writes:
| | In Suggestions, CanadaFirst writes:
| | I imagine we are not the first ones in this situation:
An international buyer requests that we declare a lower value for his package
or that we declare that it is a gift.
We never do it since it would be fraud and we could end up with a hefty fine
and we don't want to chance it.
We have had situations where we canceled orders for buyers because of that and
so far so good, no problems there. However if a buyer were to leave a negative
feedback for this, not sure if briclink would remove it.
There should be a cancellation category where the description is 'buyer requested
false customs declaration' which would stop a buyer from posting feedback
on the order. The evidence is easy to see for it being true since usually the
buyers ask for it on the order comments...
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Order Cancellation Policy
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=79
Under the subsection for Sellers, see #16
| | Buyer requested falsifying customs declarations or requested the order be marked as "gift" in order to avoid customs fees.
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Nita Rae
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I see that but there is no corresponding reason if you go to cancel the order
unless I'm not seeing it.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | cosmicray | | Posted: | Jul 22, 2021 06:51 | | Subject: | Re: Buyer requests we commit fraud - a solution | | Viewed: | 92 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, CanadaFirst writes:
| | In Suggestions, cosmicray writes:
| | In Suggestions, CanadaFirst writes:
| | I imagine we are not the first ones in this situation:
An international buyer requests that we declare a lower value for his package
or that we declare that it is a gift.
We never do it since it would be fraud and we could end up with a hefty fine
and we don't want to chance it.
We have had situations where we canceled orders for buyers because of that and
so far so good, no problems there. However if a buyer were to leave a negative
feedback for this, not sure if briclink would remove it.
There should be a cancellation category where the description is 'buyer requested
false customs declaration' which would stop a buyer from posting feedback
on the order. The evidence is easy to see for it being true since usually the
buyers ask for it on the order comments...
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Order Cancellation Policy
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=79
Under the subsection for Sellers, see #16
| | Buyer requested falsifying customs declarations or requested the order be marked as "gift" in order to avoid customs fees.
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Nita Rae
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I see that but there is no corresponding reason if you go to cancel the order
unless I'm not seeing it.
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Perhaps it is time to poke the Help Desk, so that this is added to the developer
task list. I have seen the Help pages fall behind the actual code, but very rarely
ahead of implementation.
Nita Rae
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| | | | | Author: | MYLEGOBRICKS | | Posted: | Jul 21, 2021 16:47 | | Subject: | Re: Buyer requests we commit fraud - a solution | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | was the buyer from France? |
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| | | | | | | Author: | CanadaFirst | | Posted: | Jul 21, 2021 17:03 | | Subject: | Re: Buyer requests we commit fraud - a solution | | Viewed: | 71 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, MYLEGOBRICKS writes:
| | was the buyer from France?
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Not this one.
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| | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jul 21, 2021 16:53 | | Subject: | Re: Buyer requests we commit fraud - a solution | | Viewed: | 73 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | I would expect this to die out with taxes being collected automatically. |
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| | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Jul 22, 2021 11:52 | | Subject: | Re: Buyer requests we commit fraud - a solution | | Viewed: | 86 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, CanadaFirst writes:
| | I imagine we are not the first ones in this situation:
An international buyer requests that we declare a lower value for his package
or that we declare that it is a gift.
We never do it since it would be fraud and we could end up with a hefty fine
and we don't want to chance it.
We have had situations where we canceled orders for buyers because of that and
so far so good, no problems there. However if a buyer were to leave a negative
feedback for this, not sure if briclink would remove it.
There should be a cancellation category where the description is 'buyer requested
false customs declaration' which would stop a buyer from posting feedback
on the order. The evidence is easy to see for it being true since usually the
buyers ask for it on the order comments...
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Reading through your replies, I somewhat agree with your stance...
I first remind the buyer of the gravity or reality of their ask (assume it's
ignorance) giving them the binary-choice of cancelling the order on their behalf,
or processing it in a correct manner. I’ve never reported another though, knowing
how many different cultures there are, where in some this type of thing is more
commonplace or systemic.
That’s what I do. How I feel? When I get such requests (which we all do) it’s
not the legal ramifications foremost on my mind, they don’t nag me quite as much
as the thought of anyone asking a stranger to be deceitful on their behalf. Effectively,
asking someone to compromise their morals and integrity in order to save them
some expense. An expense (taxation) ironically, that often goes towards supplying
the offender with cradle-to-grave safety net and/or other benefits afforded them
in their country.
I’ve been unable to fully understand the thinking of such others, put myself
in their shoes as it were. The motivation is simply to understand, but the act
still dumbfounds.
-popsicle
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| | | | | | | Author: | CanadaFirst | | Posted: | Jul 22, 2021 12:01 | | Subject: | Re: Buyer requests we commit fraud - a solution | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, popsicle writes:
| | In Suggestions, CanadaFirst writes:
| | I imagine we are not the first ones in this situation:
An international buyer requests that we declare a lower value for his package
or that we declare that it is a gift.
We never do it since it would be fraud and we could end up with a hefty fine
and we don't want to chance it.
We have had situations where we canceled orders for buyers because of that and
so far so good, no problems there. However if a buyer were to leave a negative
feedback for this, not sure if briclink would remove it.
There should be a cancellation category where the description is 'buyer requested
false customs declaration' which would stop a buyer from posting feedback
on the order. The evidence is easy to see for it being true since usually the
buyers ask for it on the order comments...
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Reading through your replies, I somewhat agree with your stance...
I first remind the buyer of the gravity or reality of their ask (assume it's
ignorance) giving them the binary-choice of cancelling the order on their behalf,
or processing it in a correct manner. I’ve never reported another though, knowing
how many different cultures there are, where in some this type of thing is more
commonplace or systemic.
That’s what I do. How I feel? When I get such requests (which we all do) it’s
not the legal ramifications foremost on my mind, they don’t nag me quite as much
as the thought of anyone asking a stranger to be deceitful on their behalf. Effectively,
asking someone to compromise their morals and integrity in order to save them
some expense. An expense (taxation) ironically, that often goes towards supplying
the offender with cradle-to-grave safety net and/or other benefits afforded them
in their country.
I’ve been unable to fully understand the thinking of such others, put myself
in their shoes as it were. The motivation is simply to understand, but the act
still dumbfounds.
-popsicle
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I completely understand your point.
In 99.99% of cases when we explain it the buyer understands. In this case it's
how it happened.
And yeah, the reply I get sometimes 'can't hurt to ask' really bugs
me.
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| | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Jul 22, 2021 12:07 | | Subject: | Re: Buyer requests we commit fraud - a solution | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, popsicle writes:
| | In Suggestions, CanadaFirst writes:
| | I imagine we are not the first ones in this situation:
An international buyer requests that we declare a lower value for his package
or that we declare that it is a gift.
We never do it since it would be fraud and we could end up with a hefty fine
and we don't want to chance it.
We have had situations where we canceled orders for buyers because of that and
so far so good, no problems there. However if a buyer were to leave a negative
feedback for this, not sure if briclink would remove it.
There should be a cancellation category where the description is 'buyer requested
false customs declaration' which would stop a buyer from posting feedback
on the order. The evidence is easy to see for it being true since usually the
buyers ask for it on the order comments...
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Reading through your replies, I somewhat agree with your stance...
I first remind the buyer of the gravity or reality of their ask (assume it's
ignorance) giving them the binary-choice of cancelling the order on their behalf,
or processing it in a correct manner. I’ve never reported another though, knowing
how many different cultures there are, where in some this type of thing is more
commonplace or systemic.
That’s what I do. How I feel? When I get such requests (which we all do) it’s
not the legal ramifications foremost on my mind, they don’t nag me quite as much
as the thought of anyone asking a stranger to be deceitful on their behalf. Effectively,
asking someone to compromise their morals and integrity in order to save them
some expense. An expense (taxation) ironically, that often goes towards supplying
the offender with cradle-to-grave safety net and/or other benefits afforded them
in their country.
I’ve been unable to fully understand the thinking of such others, put myself
in their shoes as it were. The motivation is simply to understand, but the act
still dumbfounds.
-popsicle
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Good points, but actually in my experience, it's often people living in countries
with dubious regimes that are asking. As you pointed out, cultural attitudes
vary, and there are (non-democratic) countries where the entire concepts of "legal"
and "illegal" are irrelevant to the people and they spend their day-to-day life
living between the lines, so they understand such things very differently than
we do. In such places, legality is little more than a tool for those in power.
That's not to say you should do as they ask (if nothing else, it's trouble
for your own administration because your records will not add up) but I'm
just saying, I'm a lot less bothered by the question coming from someone
from Belarus than when I read about it coming from a buyer in France.
Anyway, the OP was just asking for a way to be protected from negative feedback
as a consequence of refusing, which sounds totally fair to me.
(don't mean to post some political opinion, just trying to describe the facts)
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Jul 22, 2021 12:29 | | Subject: | Re: Buyer requests we commit fraud - a solution | | Viewed: | 66 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, popsicle writes:
| | In Suggestions, CanadaFirst writes:
| | I imagine we are not the first ones in this situation:
An international buyer requests that we declare a lower value for his package
or that we declare that it is a gift.
We never do it since it would be fraud and we could end up with a hefty fine
and we don't want to chance it.
We have had situations where we canceled orders for buyers because of that and
so far so good, no problems there. However if a buyer were to leave a negative
feedback for this, not sure if briclink would remove it.
There should be a cancellation category where the description is 'buyer requested
false customs declaration' which would stop a buyer from posting feedback
on the order. The evidence is easy to see for it being true since usually the
buyers ask for it on the order comments...
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Reading through your replies, I somewhat agree with your stance...
I first remind the buyer of the gravity or reality of their ask (assume it's
ignorance) giving them the binary-choice of cancelling the order on their behalf,
or processing it in a correct manner. I’ve never reported another though, knowing
how many different cultures there are, where in some this type of thing is more
commonplace or systemic.
That’s what I do. How I feel? When I get such requests (which we all do) it’s
not the legal ramifications foremost on my mind, they don’t nag me quite as much
as the thought of anyone asking a stranger to be deceitful on their behalf. Effectively,
asking someone to compromise their morals and integrity in order to save them
some expense. An expense (taxation) ironically, that often goes towards supplying
the offender with cradle-to-grave safety net and/or other benefits afforded them
in their country.
I’ve been unable to fully understand the thinking of such others, put myself
in their shoes as it were. The motivation is simply to understand, but the act
still dumbfounds.
-popsicle
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Good points, but actually in my experience, it's often people living in countries
with dubious regimes that are asking. As you pointed out, cultural attitudes
vary, and there are (non-democratic) countries where the entire concepts of "legal"
and "illegal" are irrelevant to the people and they spend their day-to-day life
living between the lines, so they understand such things very differently than
we do. In such places, legality is little more than a tool for those in power.
That's not to say you should do as they ask (if nothing else, it's trouble
for your own administration because your records will not add up) but I'm
just saying, I'm a lot less bothered by the question coming from someone
from Belarus than when I read about it coming from a buyer in France.
(don't mean to post some political opinion, just trying to describe the facts)
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Facts, okay. Hang-on a second, let me just see if I can somehow ignore the empirical,
my experiences here, for your facts... Okay, made the needed adjustments,
dialed up my capacity for self-delusion. I think we're good now  
In spite of your facts, most of the requests we receive of this type, come from
such places: https://www.bricklink.com/feedback.asp?fdbType=2&u=roalstadko
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Jul 22, 2021 12:43 | | Subject: | Re: Buyer requests we commit fraud - a solution | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, popsicle writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, popsicle writes:
| | In Suggestions, CanadaFirst writes:
| | I imagine we are not the first ones in this situation:
An international buyer requests that we declare a lower value for his package
or that we declare that it is a gift.
We never do it since it would be fraud and we could end up with a hefty fine
and we don't want to chance it.
We have had situations where we canceled orders for buyers because of that and
so far so good, no problems there. However if a buyer were to leave a negative
feedback for this, not sure if briclink would remove it.
There should be a cancellation category where the description is 'buyer requested
false customs declaration' which would stop a buyer from posting feedback
on the order. The evidence is easy to see for it being true since usually the
buyers ask for it on the order comments...
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Reading through your replies, I somewhat agree with your stance...
I first remind the buyer of the gravity or reality of their ask (assume it's
ignorance) giving them the binary-choice of cancelling the order on their behalf,
or processing it in a correct manner. I’ve never reported another though, knowing
how many different cultures there are, where in some this type of thing is more
commonplace or systemic.
That’s what I do. How I feel? When I get such requests (which we all do) it’s
not the legal ramifications foremost on my mind, they don’t nag me quite as much
as the thought of anyone asking a stranger to be deceitful on their behalf. Effectively,
asking someone to compromise their morals and integrity in order to save them
some expense. An expense (taxation) ironically, that often goes towards supplying
the offender with cradle-to-grave safety net and/or other benefits afforded them
in their country.
I’ve been unable to fully understand the thinking of such others, put myself
in their shoes as it were. The motivation is simply to understand, but the act
still dumbfounds.
-popsicle
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Good points, but actually in my experience, it's often people living in countries
with dubious regimes that are asking. As you pointed out, cultural attitudes
vary, and there are (non-democratic) countries where the entire concepts of "legal"
and "illegal" are irrelevant to the people and they spend their day-to-day life
living between the lines, so they understand such things very differently than
we do. In such places, legality is little more than a tool for those in power.
That's not to say you should do as they ask (if nothing else, it's trouble
for your own administration because your records will not add up) but I'm
just saying, I'm a lot less bothered by the question coming from someone
from Belarus than when I read about it coming from a buyer in France.
(don't mean to post some political opinion, just trying to describe the facts)
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Facts, okay. Hang-on a second, let me just see if I can somehow ignore the empirical,
my experiences here, for your facts... Okay, made the needed adjustments,
dialed up my capacity for self-delusion. I think we're good now
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Well I only mentioned Belarus, I do hope I can assume that one is uncontroversial,
as long as Lukashenko doesn't become an AFOL himself and joins the forum..
Yep, then it's a different story.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Jul 22, 2021 12:49 | | Subject: | Re: Buyer requests we commit fraud - a solution | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, popsicle writes:
| | In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | In Suggestions, popsicle writes:
| | In Suggestions, CanadaFirst writes:
| | I imagine we are not the first ones in this situation:
An international buyer requests that we declare a lower value for his package
or that we declare that it is a gift.
We never do it since it would be fraud and we could end up with a hefty fine
and we don't want to chance it.
We have had situations where we canceled orders for buyers because of that and
so far so good, no problems there. However if a buyer were to leave a negative
feedback for this, not sure if briclink would remove it.
There should be a cancellation category where the description is 'buyer requested
false customs declaration' which would stop a buyer from posting feedback
on the order. The evidence is easy to see for it being true since usually the
buyers ask for it on the order comments...
|
Reading through your replies, I somewhat agree with your stance...
I first remind the buyer of the gravity or reality of their ask (assume it's
ignorance) giving them the binary-choice of cancelling the order on their behalf,
or processing it in a correct manner. I’ve never reported another though, knowing
how many different cultures there are, where in some this type of thing is more
commonplace or systemic.
That’s what I do. How I feel? When I get such requests (which we all do) it’s
not the legal ramifications foremost on my mind, they don’t nag me quite as much
as the thought of anyone asking a stranger to be deceitful on their behalf. Effectively,
asking someone to compromise their morals and integrity in order to save them
some expense. An expense (taxation) ironically, that often goes towards supplying
the offender with cradle-to-grave safety net and/or other benefits afforded them
in their country.
I’ve been unable to fully understand the thinking of such others, put myself
in their shoes as it were. The motivation is simply to understand, but the act
still dumbfounds.
-popsicle
|
Good points, but actually in my experience, it's often people living in countries
with dubious regimes that are asking. As you pointed out, cultural attitudes
vary, and there are (non-democratic) countries where the entire concepts of "legal"
and "illegal" are irrelevant to the people and they spend their day-to-day life
living between the lines, so they understand such things very differently than
we do. In such places, legality is little more than a tool for those in power.
That's not to say you should do as they ask (if nothing else, it's trouble
for your own administration because your records will not add up) but I'm
just saying, I'm a lot less bothered by the question coming from someone
from Belarus than when I read about it coming from a buyer in France.
(don't mean to post some political opinion, just trying to describe the facts)
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Facts, okay. Hang-on a second, let me just see if I can somehow ignore the empirical,
my experiences here, for your facts... Okay, made the needed adjustments,
dialed up my capacity for self-delusion. I think we're good now
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Well I only mentioned Belarus, I do hope I can assume that one is uncontroversial,
as long as Lukashenko doesn't become an AFOL himself and joins the forum..
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Yep, then it's a different story.
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