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 Author: mvfisker View Messages Posted By mvfisker
 Posted: Feb 20, 2021 13:35
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Just wondering.
Chose "European Union" as seller - and Great Britain sellers still came up. Shouldn't
that be changed now after Brexit?
Cheers, Morten
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Feb 20, 2021 16:27
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In Suggestions, mvfisker writes:
  Just wondering.
Chose "European Union" as seller - and Great Britain sellers still came up. Shouldn't
that be changed now after Brexit?
Cheers, Morten

Bricklink time is currently somewhere in about 2004.
 Author: Teup View Messages Posted By Teup
 Posted: Feb 20, 2021 16:56
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In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  In Suggestions, mvfisker writes:
  Just wondering.
Chose "European Union" as seller - and Great Britain sellers still came up. Shouldn't
that be changed now after Brexit?
Cheers, Morten

Bricklink time is currently somewhere in about 2004.

I think they already had websites with timezones in 2004..
 Author: patpendlego View Messages Posted By patpendlego
 Posted: Feb 20, 2021 17:35
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In Suggestions, Teup writes:
  In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  In Suggestions, mvfisker writes:
  Just wondering.
Chose "European Union" as seller - and Great Britain sellers still came up. Shouldn't
that be changed now after Brexit?
Cheers, Morten

Bricklink time is currently somewhere in about 2004.

I think they already had websites with timezones in 2004..

TLG had big plans with BrickLink but is choking now..
 Author: bje View Messages Posted By bje
 Posted: Feb 20, 2021 17:45
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In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, Teup writes:
  In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  In Suggestions, mvfisker writes:
  Just wondering.
Chose "European Union" as seller - and Great Britain sellers still came up. Shouldn't
that be changed now after Brexit?
Cheers, Morten

Bricklink time is currently somewhere in about 2004.

I think they already had websites with timezones in 2004..

TLG had big plans with BrickLink but is choking now..

BrickLink is busy with USA sales taxes, we really should not expect multitasking
in their attempts to break things. They did say they will address the Brexit
issues before 5 February (they did not say which aeon though).
 Author: patpendlego View Messages Posted By patpendlego
 Posted: Feb 21, 2021 02:43
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In Suggestions, bje writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, Teup writes:
  In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  In Suggestions, mvfisker writes:
  Just wondering.
Chose "European Union" as seller - and Great Britain sellers still came up. Shouldn't
that be changed now after Brexit?
Cheers, Morten

Bricklink time is currently somewhere in about 2004.

I think they already had websites with timezones in 2004..

TLG had big plans with BrickLink but is choking now..

BrickLink is busy with USA sales taxes, we really should not expect multitasking
in their attempts to break things. They did say they will address the Brexit
issues before 5 February (they did not say which aeon though).

No, we should expect. After all we pay fees for this site. It was long time known
Brexit was coming, they should have been ready for it.
 Author: calsbricks View Messages Posted By calsbricks
 Posted: Feb 21, 2021 03:41
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In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, bje writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, Teup writes:
  In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  In Suggestions, mvfisker writes:
  Just wondering.
Chose "European Union" as seller - and Great Britain sellers still came up. Shouldn't
that be changed now after Brexit?
Cheers, Morten

Bricklink time is currently somewhere in about 2004.

I think they already had websites with timezones in 2004..

TLG had big plans with BrickLink but is choking now..

BrickLink is busy with USA sales taxes, we really should not expect multitasking
in their attempts to break things. They did say they will address the Brexit
issues before 5 February (they did not say which aeon though).

No, we should expect. After all we pay fees for this site. It was long time known
Brexit was coming, they should have been ready for it.

As almost everyone on this forum knows I am not Bricklink's biggest fan as
far as developmenet work goes however I think in this case it is fair to say
that the UK hasn't yet got it right and neither does the rest of the EU -
Just look at the below from a site we use regularly. (Don't forget we still
have VAT to look forward to
 
 Author: Admin_Russell View Messages Posted By Admin_Russell
 Posted: Feb 21, 2021 04:31
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In Suggestions, calsbricks writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, bje writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, Teup writes:
  In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  In Suggestions, mvfisker writes:
  Just wondering.
Chose "European Union" as seller - and Great Britain sellers still came up. Shouldn't
that be changed now after Brexit?
Cheers, Morten

Bricklink time is currently somewhere in about 2004.

I think they already had websites with timezones in 2004..

TLG had big plans with BrickLink but is choking now..

BrickLink is busy with USA sales taxes, we really should not expect multitasking
in their attempts to break things. They did say they will address the Brexit
issues before 5 February (they did not say which aeon though).

No, we should expect. After all we pay fees for this site. It was long time known
Brexit was coming, they should have been ready for it.

As almost everyone on this forum knows I am not Bricklink's biggest fan as
far as developmenet work goes however I think in this case it is fair to say
that the UK hasn't yet got it right and neither does the rest of the EU -
Just look at the below from a site we use regularly. (Don't forget we still
have VAT to look forward to

I recently promised more details on our Brexit solution, but I will just be frank
with you, that what you have described is exactly the case. We are waiting to
hear from our tax professionals as to how we need to proceed, and they are waiting
to hear from the authorities. It feels as if we are actually further from a solution
at this point than we were at the beginning of the year.
 Author: Stacey_Love View Messages Posted By Stacey_Love
 Posted: Feb 21, 2021 04:48
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In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Suggestions, calsbricks writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, bje writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, Teup writes:
  In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  In Suggestions, mvfisker writes:
  Just wondering.
Chose "European Union" as seller - and Great Britain sellers still came up. Shouldn't
that be changed now after Brexit?
Cheers, Morten

Bricklink time is currently somewhere in about 2004.

I think they already had websites with timezones in 2004..

TLG had big plans with BrickLink but is choking now..

BrickLink is busy with USA sales taxes, we really should not expect multitasking
in their attempts to break things. They did say they will address the Brexit
issues before 5 February (they did not say which aeon though).

No, we should expect. After all we pay fees for this site. It was long time known
Brexit was coming, they should have been ready for it.

As almost everyone on this forum knows I am not Bricklink's biggest fan as
far as developmenet work goes however I think in this case it is fair to say
that the UK hasn't yet got it right and neither does the rest of the EU -
Just look at the below from a site we use regularly. (Don't forget we still
have VAT to look forward to

I recently promised more details on our Brexit solution, but I will just be frank
with you, that what you have described is exactly the case. We are waiting to
hear from our tax professionals as to how we need to proceed, and they are waiting
to hear from the authorities. It feels as if we are actually further from a solution
at this point than we were at the beginning of the year.


And what are we supposed to do in the meantime ?. ......... Is the only option
to register for england vat, or exclude selling to england ?.

And can you fix the selling zones as england is defiantly not in the EU. Thanks.
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Feb 21, 2021 06:26
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In Suggestions, Stacey_Love writes:
  In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Suggestions, calsbricks writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, bje writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, Teup writes:
  In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  In Suggestions, mvfisker writes:
  Just wondering.
Chose "European Union" as seller - and Great Britain sellers still came up. Shouldn't
that be changed now after Brexit?
Cheers, Morten

Bricklink time is currently somewhere in about 2004.

I think they already had websites with timezones in 2004..

TLG had big plans with BrickLink but is choking now..

BrickLink is busy with USA sales taxes, we really should not expect multitasking
in their attempts to break things. They did say they will address the Brexit
issues before 5 February (they did not say which aeon though).

No, we should expect. After all we pay fees for this site. It was long time known
Brexit was coming, they should have been ready for it.

As almost everyone on this forum knows I am not Bricklink's biggest fan as
far as developmenet work goes however I think in this case it is fair to say
that the UK hasn't yet got it right and neither does the rest of the EU -
Just look at the below from a site we use regularly. (Don't forget we still
have VAT to look forward to

I recently promised more details on our Brexit solution, but I will just be frank
with you, that what you have described is exactly the case. We are waiting to
hear from our tax professionals as to how we need to proceed, and they are waiting
to hear from the authorities. It feels as if we are actually further from a solution
at this point than we were at the beginning of the year.


And what are we supposed to do in the meantime ?. ......... Is the only option
to register for england vat, or exclude selling to england ?.

And can you fix the selling zones as england is defiantly not in the EU. Thanks.

There is no such thing as England VAT. Similarly you cannot exclude just England.
There is UK VAT, and you can exclude UK.
 Author: calsbricks View Messages Posted By calsbricks
 Posted: Feb 21, 2021 05:18
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In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Suggestions, calsbricks writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, bje writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, Teup writes:
  In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  In Suggestions, mvfisker writes:
  Just wondering.
Chose "European Union" as seller - and Great Britain sellers still came up. Shouldn't
that be changed now after Brexit?
Cheers, Morten

Bricklink time is currently somewhere in about 2004.

I think they already had websites with timezones in 2004..

TLG had big plans with BrickLink but is choking now..

BrickLink is busy with USA sales taxes, we really should not expect multitasking
in their attempts to break things. They did say they will address the Brexit
issues before 5 February (they did not say which aeon though).

No, we should expect. After all we pay fees for this site. It was long time known
Brexit was coming, they should have been ready for it.

As almost everyone on this forum knows I am not Bricklink's biggest fan as
far as developmenet work goes however I think in this case it is fair to say
that the UK hasn't yet got it right and neither does the rest of the EU -
Just look at the below from a site we use regularly. (Don't forget we still
have VAT to look forward to

I recently promised more details on our Brexit solution, but I will just be frank
with you, that what you have described is exactly the case. We are waiting to
hear from our tax professionals as to how we need to proceed, and they are waiting
to hear from the authorities. It feels as if we are actually further from a solution
at this point than we were at the beginning of the year.

I think most of us who are following this issue are well aware of the issues
you are facing. Personally I would much rather wait till more is known and all
aspects of the vat introduction are dealt with e..g non-registered vat stores.
I believe I worked out that there are possibly less than 1% of UK stores who
are registered and , in the main, their registration is not based on Bricklink
turnover alone.

So maybe with the delay we can sort out other things that are not working as
intended, or simply broken.

Using the development method that you guys do requires almost a constant stream
of patching and whilst that method has its followers and believers not everyone
agrees and the crux of using your chosen method is the need to patch and patch
and patch - and that does not look like it is happening.

Anyway good luck with the vat - in the meantime, like many others we have stopped
selling to non-domestic buyers - which has to be hitting BL's bottom line
as more and more stores choose that route.
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Isn’t a lot of the problem the very poor communication though? If Bricklink said
“ VAT is now payable for imports, if sellers are registered charge VAT and ship
with proof, if not warn your buyers that VAT is payable on receipt and may incur
additional charges” then sellers could decide how to proceed for themselves.
But instead Bricklink said “we are registered and it’s our liability” with no
explanation how this will work and saying they can’t/won’t share VAT number.
No one knows where they stand.

VAT isn’t really a Brexit issue. As everyone will find out when EU VAT comes
in in July. Will the world stop selling to the EU then too???

And the UK still coming up in EU searches isn’t a tax advisor issue. It’s just
couldn’t be bothered to prepare for an event that had years’ of forewarning.
 Author: Stellar View Messages Posted By Stellar
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In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Suggestions, calsbricks writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, bje writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, Teup writes:
  In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  In Suggestions, mvfisker writes:
  Just wondering.
Chose "European Union" as seller - and Great Britain sellers still came up. Shouldn't
that be changed now after Brexit?
Cheers, Morten

Bricklink time is currently somewhere in about 2004.

I think they already had websites with timezones in 2004..

TLG had big plans with BrickLink but is choking now..

BrickLink is busy with USA sales taxes, we really should not expect multitasking
in their attempts to break things. They did say they will address the Brexit
issues before 5 February (they did not say which aeon though).

No, we should expect. After all we pay fees for this site. It was long time known
Brexit was coming, they should have been ready for it.

As almost everyone on this forum knows I am not Bricklink's biggest fan as
far as developmenet work goes however I think in this case it is fair to say
that the UK hasn't yet got it right and neither does the rest of the EU -
Just look at the below from a site we use regularly. (Don't forget we still
have VAT to look forward to

I recently promised more details on our Brexit solution, but I will just be frank
with you, that what you have described is exactly the case. We are waiting to
hear from our tax professionals as to how we need to proceed, and they are waiting
to hear from the authorities. It feels as if we are actually further from a solution
at this point than we were at the beginning of the year.

We have already pointed you links from the UK Gov website (authorities) explaining
things.

BL is still charging EU VAT in sales to UK, and that is without doubt illegal...
At least we sellers can disable it. But for sales under 135GBP B2C it is illegal
not to charge UK 20% VAT and remit it to UK HMRC.

Those are factually correct...

If the problem is if you are legally not sure if BL is an OMP or not, this maybe
needs a decision of just accepting it is a OMP even thought legally could be
defended is not (hypothetically).

Then decide to gather the UK VAT the same as US TAX, that would make BL a stronger
platform, because the other option means BL sellers will have to register by
themselves and most would not do it. This will mostly close the international
UK buying options.

And this would happen again and again as each country creates new laws to collect
VAT on buyers behalf. US and Norway since last year, UK since two months ago,
EU in four months from now...

Here is what other website puts on the invoices to UK if this helps:

20% UK Import VAT has been paid on this order via the online marketplace XXXXXXXXX
Ltd with VAT ID GBXXXXXXXXX. For more information see https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-and-overseas-goods-sold-to-customers-in-the-uk-using-online-marketplaces

You already have the development to take a % fee from a PayPal or Stripe payment,
this would work the same for now, even simpler because it would be a fixed VAT
rate depending of the buyer country.
But best would be if offsite payments would be accepted too, and in those cases
the % VAT owed to BL from the seller paid by IBAN transfer that has no fees for
most, we understand this can come at a later date.

Russell, sincerely, what I mean is just one question...

What are your tax professionals expecting to hear from the authorities that it
is not already explained in the UK GOV website?

Thanks
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In Suggestions, Stellar writes:
  In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Suggestions, calsbricks writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, bje writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, Teup writes:
  In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  In Suggestions, mvfisker writes:
  Just wondering.
Chose "European Union" as seller - and Great Britain sellers still came up. Shouldn't
that be changed now after Brexit?
Cheers, Morten

Bricklink time is currently somewhere in about 2004.

I think they already had websites with timezones in 2004..

TLG had big plans with BrickLink but is choking now..

BrickLink is busy with USA sales taxes, we really should not expect multitasking
in their attempts to break things. They did say they will address the Brexit
issues before 5 February (they did not say which aeon though).

No, we should expect. After all we pay fees for this site. It was long time known
Brexit was coming, they should have been ready for it.

As almost everyone on this forum knows I am not Bricklink's biggest fan as
far as developmenet work goes however I think in this case it is fair to say
that the UK hasn't yet got it right and neither does the rest of the EU -
Just look at the below from a site we use regularly. (Don't forget we still
have VAT to look forward to

I recently promised more details on our Brexit solution, but I will just be frank
with you, that what you have described is exactly the case. We are waiting to
hear from our tax professionals as to how we need to proceed, and they are waiting
to hear from the authorities. It feels as if we are actually further from a solution
at this point than we were at the beginning of the year.

We have already pointed you links from the UK Gov website (authorities) explaining
things.

BL is still charging EU VAT in sales to UK, and that is without doubt illegal...
At least we sellers can disable it. But for sales under 135GBP B2C it is illegal
not to charge UK 20% VAT and remit it to UK HMRC.

Those are factually correct...

If the problem is if you are legally not sure if BL is an OMP or not, this maybe
needs a decision of just accepting it is a OMP even thought legally could be
defended is not (hypothetically).

Then decide to gather the UK VAT the same as US TAX, that would make BL a stronger
platform, because the other option means BL sellers will have to register by
themselves and most would not do it. This will mostly close the international
UK buying options.

And this would happen again and again as each country creates new laws to collect
VAT on buyers behalf. US and Norway since last year, UK since two months ago,
EU in four months from now...

Here is what other website puts on the invoices to UK if this helps:

20% UK Import VAT has been paid on this order via the online marketplace XXXXXXXXX
Ltd with VAT ID GBXXXXXXXXX. For more information see https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-and-overseas-goods-sold-to-customers-in-the-uk-using-online-marketplaces

You already have the development to take a % fee from a PayPal or Stripe payment,
this would work the same for now, even simpler because it would be a fixed VAT
rate depending of the buyer country.
But best would be if offsite payments would be accepted too, and in those cases
the % VAT owed to BL from the seller paid by IBAN transfer that has no fees for
most, we understand this can come at a later date.

Russell, sincerely, what I mean is just one question...

What are your tax professionals expecting to hear from the authorities that it
is not already explained in the UK GOV website?

Thanks

I particularly like the uk.gov website regarding distance selling, this is there
advice."

The Brexit transition period has ended and new rules on distance selling now
apply. This page is currently out of date.



https://www.gov.uk/online-and-distance-selling-for-businesses
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In Suggestions, Stacey_Love writes:
  In Suggestions, Stellar writes:
  In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
  In Suggestions, calsbricks writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, bje writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, Teup writes:
  In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  In Suggestions, mvfisker writes:
  Just wondering.
Chose "European Union" as seller - and Great Britain sellers still came up. Shouldn't
that be changed now after Brexit?
Cheers, Morten

Bricklink time is currently somewhere in about 2004.

I think they already had websites with timezones in 2004..

TLG had big plans with BrickLink but is choking now..

BrickLink is busy with USA sales taxes, we really should not expect multitasking
in their attempts to break things. They did say they will address the Brexit
issues before 5 February (they did not say which aeon though).

No, we should expect. After all we pay fees for this site. It was long time known
Brexit was coming, they should have been ready for it.

As almost everyone on this forum knows I am not Bricklink's biggest fan as
far as developmenet work goes however I think in this case it is fair to say
that the UK hasn't yet got it right and neither does the rest of the EU -
Just look at the below from a site we use regularly. (Don't forget we still
have VAT to look forward to

I recently promised more details on our Brexit solution, but I will just be frank
with you, that what you have described is exactly the case. We are waiting to
hear from our tax professionals as to how we need to proceed, and they are waiting
to hear from the authorities. It feels as if we are actually further from a solution
at this point than we were at the beginning of the year.

We have already pointed you links from the UK Gov website (authorities) explaining
things.

BL is still charging EU VAT in sales to UK, and that is without doubt illegal...
At least we sellers can disable it. But for sales under 135GBP B2C it is illegal
not to charge UK 20% VAT and remit it to UK HMRC.

Those are factually correct...

If the problem is if you are legally not sure if BL is an OMP or not, this maybe
needs a decision of just accepting it is a OMP even thought legally could be
defended is not (hypothetically).

Then decide to gather the UK VAT the same as US TAX, that would make BL a stronger
platform, because the other option means BL sellers will have to register by
themselves and most would not do it. This will mostly close the international
UK buying options.

And this would happen again and again as each country creates new laws to collect
VAT on buyers behalf. US and Norway since last year, UK since two months ago,
EU in four months from now...

Here is what other website puts on the invoices to UK if this helps:

20% UK Import VAT has been paid on this order via the online marketplace XXXXXXXXX
Ltd with VAT ID GBXXXXXXXXX. For more information see https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-and-overseas-goods-sold-to-customers-in-the-uk-using-online-marketplaces

You already have the development to take a % fee from a PayPal or Stripe payment,
this would work the same for now, even simpler because it would be a fixed VAT
rate depending of the buyer country.
But best would be if offsite payments would be accepted too, and in those cases
the % VAT owed to BL from the seller paid by IBAN transfer that has no fees for
most, we understand this can come at a later date.

Russell, sincerely, what I mean is just one question...

What are your tax professionals expecting to hear from the authorities that it
is not already explained in the UK GOV website?

Thanks

I particularly like the uk.gov website regarding distance selling, this is there
advice."

The Brexit transition period has ended and new rules on distance selling now
apply. This page is currently out of date.



https://www.gov.uk/online-and-distance-selling-for-businesses

That is because many other sites link to the gov.uk pages. So rather than just
have dead links, they tell you it is now out of date, so you know to look up
the correct information on the site.
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In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  […]
  https://www.gov.uk/online-and-distance-selling-for-businesses

That is because many other sites link to the gov.uk pages. So rather than just
have dead links, they tell you it is now out of date, so you know to look up
the correct information on the site.

Considering the URL, that page should never be a dead link.  That page should
always contain the up-to-date info, not obsolete info with a tiny warning.

If a site links to that page as a reference to something the site says while
that something is not true anymore, it’s the site’s problem.
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In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:
  In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  […]
  https://www.gov.uk/online-and-distance-selling-for-businesses

That is because many other sites link to the gov.uk pages. So rather than just
have dead links, they tell you it is now out of date, so you know to look up
the correct information on the site.

Considering the URL, that page should never be a dead link.  That page should
always contain the up-to-date info, not obsolete info with a tiny warning.

If a site links to that page as a reference to something the site says while
that something is not true anymore, it’s the site’s problem.

Exactly, england webpages are not correct, chamber du commerce dite CN 23, c’est
obligatoire pour le anglaise
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In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
...
  
  
  No, we should expect. After all we pay fees for this site. It was long time known
Brexit was coming, they should have been ready for it.

As almost everyone on this forum knows I am not Bricklink's biggest fan as
far as developmenet work goes however I think in this case it is fair to say
that the UK hasn't yet got it right and neither does the rest of the EU -
Just look at the below from a site we use regularly. (Don't forget we still
have VAT to look forward to

I recently promised more details on our Brexit solution, but I will just be frank
with you, that what you have described is exactly the case. We are waiting to
hear from our tax professionals as to how we need to proceed, and they are waiting
to hear from the authorities. It feels as if we are actually further from a solution
at this point than we were at the beginning of the year.

With all due respect, as one of those who have closed down sales to the UK and
losing some busienss because of it, you went and registered as an Online Marketplace
all by yourselves when even the worst advisor would have told you, BrickLink
is not an OMP for UK VAT purposes. If you had to register as a vendor for VAT
purposes that would have allowed you to collect VAT on your fees and pay VAT
on your sales originating in the UK when you have AFOL program again which is
part of your UK turnover.

But by registering as an online marketplace vendor you are factually liable to
collect the VAT on every export sale to the UK made on this platform. You are
also factually liable to give buyers invoices as sellers are not the vendors.
You do not have to share the VAT number with me, all you have you to do is, when
a buyer place an order, invoice the buyer VAT inclusive, collect the money and
disburse it - VAT to the government, sale and shipping to me, exactly as an online
marketplace for UK VAT purposes is supposed to do.

Certainly, if your advisors are spinning their wheels, you should get other advisors.
BrickLink is not only responsible to BrickLink. If you view BrickLink as a marketplace,
then BrickLink is responsible to buyers and sellers as well. And that is where
you are missing the pot and messing on the floor and we all have to wade in the
mess caused by it. If your registration is not as an OMP fior UK VAT purposes,
but as a normal UK vendor, then say so so that sellers can register for VAT and
be done with it. But please do not tell me that you are an online OMP for UK
VAT purposes then still require of me to invoice a buyer - that birdie don't
fly.

And as has been mentioned - the UK is not in the EU any longer - it does not
require input from the government or a tax advisor to fix a search function which
has been wrong for almost two months.
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In Suggestions, bje writes:
  In Suggestions, Admin_Russell writes:
...
  
  
  No, we should expect. After all we pay fees for this site. It was long time known
Brexit was coming, they should have been ready for it.

As almost everyone on this forum knows I am not Bricklink's biggest fan as
far as developmenet work goes however I think in this case it is fair to say
that the UK hasn't yet got it right and neither does the rest of the EU -
Just look at the below from a site we use regularly. (Don't forget we still
have VAT to look forward to

I recently promised more details on our Brexit solution, but I will just be frank
with you, that what you have described is exactly the case. We are waiting to
hear from our tax professionals as to how we need to proceed, and they are waiting
to hear from the authorities. It feels as if we are actually further from a solution
at this point than we were at the beginning of the year.

With all due respect, as one of those who have closed down sales to the UK and
losing some busienss because of it, you went and registered as an Online Marketplace
all by yourselves when even the worst advisor would have told you, BrickLink
is not an OMP for UK VAT purposes. If you had to register as a vendor for VAT
purposes that would have allowed you to collect VAT on your fees and pay VAT
on your sales originating in the UK when you have AFOL program again which is
part of your UK turnover.

But by registering as an online marketplace vendor you are factually liable to
collect the VAT on every export sale to the UK made on this platform. You are
also factually liable to give buyers invoices as sellers are not the vendors.
You do not have to share the VAT number with me, all you have you to do is, when
a buyer place an order, invoice the buyer VAT inclusive, collect the money and
disburse it - VAT to the government, sale and shipping to me, exactly as an online
marketplace for UK VAT purposes is supposed to do.

Certainly, if your advisors are spinning their wheels, you should get other advisors.
BrickLink is not only responsible to BrickLink. If you view BrickLink as a marketplace,
then BrickLink is responsible to buyers and sellers as well. And that is where
you are missing the pot and messing on the floor and we all have to wade in the
mess caused by it. If your registration is not as an OMP fior UK VAT purposes,
but as a normal UK vendor, then say so so that sellers can register for VAT and
be done with it. But please do not tell me that you are an online OMP for UK
VAT purposes then still require of me to invoice a buyer - that birdie don't
fly.

And as has been mentioned - the UK is not in the EU any longer - it does not
require input from the government or a tax advisor to fix a search function which
has been wrong for almost two months.

Everything is just so backwards, I am not a tax expert by a long shot but let's
just look at this from a logic perspective:

If it was legally valid to write "Bricklink order" on your invoice, then the
EU and the UK would have had an emergency meeting by now because they realised
that almost all of the international trade is being labelled "Bricklink order"


It can't work like that. So yeah, EITHER Bricklink is the seller and WE sell
to Bricklink - thus a US export, export to US rules apply - OR we sell to the
customer in their country AND that country's rules apply.

From the persective of the seller, these are simply the only two ways. As a seller
you need to have invoices that mention the country, and then apply the rules
for THAT country. There is only "United States" or "United Kingdom". There's
simply no such thing as "United Kingdom-but-it's-a-Bricklink-order-and-Bricklink-said-it's-fine"


Or am I too pessimstic about the amount of patience tax agencies have when doing
audits and people come up with stories about platform selling (without hard evidence)?
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In Suggestions, Teup writes:
[snip]
  Everything is just so backwards, I am not a tax expert by a long shot but let's
just look at this from a logic perspective:

If it was legally valid to write "Bricklink order" on your invoice, then the
EU and the UK would have had an emergency meeting by now because they realised
that almost all of the international trade is being labelled "Bricklink order"


It can't work like that. So yeah, EITHER Bricklink is the seller and WE sell
to Bricklink - thus a US export, export to US rules apply - OR we sell to the
customer in their country AND that country's rules apply.

From the persective of the seller, these are simply the only two ways. As a seller
you need to have invoices that mention the country, and then apply the rules
for THAT country. There is only "United States" or "United Kingdom". There's
simply no such thing as "United Kingdom-but-it's-a-Bricklink-order-and-Bricklink-said-it's-fine"


Or am I too pessimstic about the amount of patience tax agencies have when doing
audits and people come up with stories about platform selling (without hard evidence)?

Read the link below, this is not something new. The UK already started in 2016
with quote: "special provisions for online marketplaces".

http://kluwertaxblog.com/2020/02/26/online-marketplaces-and-eu-vat-global-reach-but-compliance-still-local/

These changes to come have been known for 4 years up until Jan 1, 2021.

The OMP is liable. Not just for VAT, but also for the transaction to the buyer.
A BrickLink Order has become a transaction between 3 parties: the buyer, the
(overseas) seller, and BrickLink is now involed too.

All this because governments/countries want to VAT low valued transactions because
of the high volume and thus high 'income' there is to gain by taxing.
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In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, Teup writes:
[snip]
  Everything is just so backwards, I am not a tax expert by a long shot but let's
just look at this from a logic perspective:

If it was legally valid to write "Bricklink order" on your invoice, then the
EU and the UK would have had an emergency meeting by now because they realised
that almost all of the international trade is being labelled "Bricklink order"


It can't work like that. So yeah, EITHER Bricklink is the seller and WE sell
to Bricklink - thus a US export, export to US rules apply - OR we sell to the
customer in their country AND that country's rules apply.

From the persective of the seller, these are simply the only two ways. As a seller
you need to have invoices that mention the country, and then apply the rules
for THAT country. There is only "United States" or "United Kingdom". There's
simply no such thing as "United Kingdom-but-it's-a-Bricklink-order-and-Bricklink-said-it's-fine"


Or am I too pessimstic about the amount of patience tax agencies have when doing
audits and people come up with stories about platform selling (without hard evidence)?

Read the link below, this is not something new. The UK already started in 2016
with quote: "special provisions for online marketplaces".

http://kluwertaxblog.com/2020/02/26/online-marketplaces-and-eu-vat-global-reach-but-compliance-still-local/

These changes to come have been known for 4 years up until Jan 1, 2021.

The OMP is liable. Not just for VAT, but also for the transaction to the buyer.
A BrickLink Order has become a transaction between 3 parties: the buyer, the
(overseas) seller, and BrickLink is now involed too.

All this because governments/countries want to VAT low valued transactions because
of the high volume and thus high 'income' there is to gain by taxing.

And do not forget the OMP must collect all the money and disburse it, else it
is not an OMP. Can you imagine BrickLink being in charge of your money. Iron
Maiden gave very good advice - Run to the hills, Run for your life...

But all of this is moot - they have registered as an OMP, not a normal vendor,
so now they must change the ToS and get going. We wait

and wait...
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In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, Teup writes:
[snip]
  Everything is just so backwards, I am not a tax expert by a long shot but let's
just look at this from a logic perspective:

If it was legally valid to write "Bricklink order" on your invoice, then the
EU and the UK would have had an emergency meeting by now because they realised
that almost all of the international trade is being labelled "Bricklink order"


It can't work like that. So yeah, EITHER Bricklink is the seller and WE sell
to Bricklink - thus a US export, export to US rules apply - OR we sell to the
customer in their country AND that country's rules apply.

From the persective of the seller, these are simply the only two ways. As a seller
you need to have invoices that mention the country, and then apply the rules
for THAT country. There is only "United States" or "United Kingdom". There's
simply no such thing as "United Kingdom-but-it's-a-Bricklink-order-and-Bricklink-said-it's-fine"


Or am I too pessimstic about the amount of patience tax agencies have when doing
audits and people come up with stories about platform selling (without hard evidence)?

Read the link below, this is not something new. The UK already started in 2016
with quote: "special provisions for online marketplaces".

http://kluwertaxblog.com/2020/02/26/online-marketplaces-and-eu-vat-global-reach-but-compliance-still-local/

These changes to come have been known for 4 years up until Jan 1, 2021.

The OMP is liable. Not just for VAT, but also for the transaction to the buyer.
A BrickLink Order has become a transaction between 3 parties: the buyer, the
(overseas) seller, and BrickLink is now involed too.

All this because governments/countries want to VAT low valued transactions because
of the high volume and thus high 'income' there is to gain by taxing.

So, what does the seller's invoice look like?
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In Suggestions, Teup writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, Teup writes:
[snip]
  Everything is just so backwards, I am not a tax expert by a long shot but let's
just look at this from a logic perspective:

If it was legally valid to write "Bricklink order" on your invoice, then the
EU and the UK would have had an emergency meeting by now because they realised
that almost all of the international trade is being labelled "Bricklink order"


It can't work like that. So yeah, EITHER Bricklink is the seller and WE sell
to Bricklink - thus a US export, export to US rules apply - OR we sell to the
customer in their country AND that country's rules apply.

From the persective of the seller, these are simply the only two ways. As a seller
you need to have invoices that mention the country, and then apply the rules
for THAT country. There is only "United States" or "United Kingdom". There's
simply no such thing as "United Kingdom-but-it's-a-Bricklink-order-and-Bricklink-said-it's-fine"


Or am I too pessimstic about the amount of patience tax agencies have when doing
audits and people come up with stories about platform selling (without hard evidence)?

Read the link below, this is not something new. The UK already started in 2016
with quote: "special provisions for online marketplaces".

http://kluwertaxblog.com/2020/02/26/online-marketplaces-and-eu-vat-global-reach-but-compliance-still-local/

These changes to come have been known for 4 years up until Jan 1, 2021.

The OMP is liable. Not just for VAT, but also for the transaction to the buyer.
A BrickLink Order has become a transaction between 3 parties: the buyer, the
(overseas) seller, and BrickLink is now involed too.

All this because governments/countries want to VAT low valued transactions because
of the high volume and thus high 'income' there is to gain by taxing.

So, what does the seller's invoice look like?

The seller is not invoicing anymore. BrickLink is. The seller is merely a third-party
provider allowing BrickLink to sell their items. The customer buys from BrickLink.
E.g. like bol.com
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In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, Teup writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, Teup writes:
[snip]
  Everything is just so backwards, I am not a tax expert by a long shot but let's
just look at this from a logic perspective:

If it was legally valid to write "Bricklink order" on your invoice, then the
EU and the UK would have had an emergency meeting by now because they realised
that almost all of the international trade is being labelled "Bricklink order"


It can't work like that. So yeah, EITHER Bricklink is the seller and WE sell
to Bricklink - thus a US export, export to US rules apply - OR we sell to the
customer in their country AND that country's rules apply.

From the persective of the seller, these are simply the only two ways. As a seller
you need to have invoices that mention the country, and then apply the rules
for THAT country. There is only "United States" or "United Kingdom". There's
simply no such thing as "United Kingdom-but-it's-a-Bricklink-order-and-Bricklink-said-it's-fine"


Or am I too pessimstic about the amount of patience tax agencies have when doing
audits and people come up with stories about platform selling (without hard evidence)?

Read the link below, this is not something new. The UK already started in 2016
with quote: "special provisions for online marketplaces".

http://kluwertaxblog.com/2020/02/26/online-marketplaces-and-eu-vat-global-reach-but-compliance-still-local/

These changes to come have been known for 4 years up until Jan 1, 2021.

The OMP is liable. Not just for VAT, but also for the transaction to the buyer.
A BrickLink Order has become a transaction between 3 parties: the buyer, the
(overseas) seller, and BrickLink is now involed too.

All this because governments/countries want to VAT low valued transactions because
of the high volume and thus high 'income' there is to gain by taxing.

So, what does the seller's invoice look like?

The seller is not invoicing anymore. BrickLink is. The seller is merely a third-party
provider allowing BrickLink to sell their items. The customer buys from BrickLink.
E.g. like bol.com

If that becomes the case, and it has already been said by admin it won't
be (at least for the UK) then a lot of stores will disappear. They have said
repeatedly that they have no plans on charging vat on orders in the UK, other
than import/export situation.

Mind you all of this is total speculation and that was mentioned by Russell in
this thread. They are lagging behind on getting this done, which is also increasingly
worrying. When it comes to making progrtammin chnages haste makes waste and they
are very much aware of that.
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In Suggestions, calsbricks writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, Teup writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, Teup writes:
[snip]
  Everything is just so backwards, I am not a tax expert by a long shot but let's
just look at this from a logic perspective:

If it was legally valid to write "Bricklink order" on your invoice, then the
EU and the UK would have had an emergency meeting by now because they realised
that almost all of the international trade is being labelled "Bricklink order"


It can't work like that. So yeah, EITHER Bricklink is the seller and WE sell
to Bricklink - thus a US export, export to US rules apply - OR we sell to the
customer in their country AND that country's rules apply.

From the persective of the seller, these are simply the only two ways. As a seller
you need to have invoices that mention the country, and then apply the rules
for THAT country. There is only "United States" or "United Kingdom". There's
simply no such thing as "United Kingdom-but-it's-a-Bricklink-order-and-Bricklink-said-it's-fine"


Or am I too pessimstic about the amount of patience tax agencies have when doing
audits and people come up with stories about platform selling (without hard evidence)?

Read the link below, this is not something new. The UK already started in 2016
with quote: "special provisions for online marketplaces".

http://kluwertaxblog.com/2020/02/26/online-marketplaces-and-eu-vat-global-reach-but-compliance-still-local/

These changes to come have been known for 4 years up until Jan 1, 2021.

The OMP is liable. Not just for VAT, but also for the transaction to the buyer.
A BrickLink Order has become a transaction between 3 parties: the buyer, the
(overseas) seller, and BrickLink is now involed too.

All this because governments/countries want to VAT low valued transactions because
of the high volume and thus high 'income' there is to gain by taxing.

So, what does the seller's invoice look like?

The seller is not invoicing anymore. BrickLink is. The seller is merely a third-party
provider allowing BrickLink to sell their items. The customer buys from BrickLink.
E.g. like bol.com

If that becomes the case, and it has already been said by admin it won't
be (at least for the UK) then a lot of stores will disappear. They have said
repeatedly that they have no plans on charging vat on orders in the UK, other
than import/export situation.

Mind you all of this is total speculation and that was mentioned by Russell in
this thread. They are lagging behind on getting this done, which is also increasingly
worrying. When it comes to making progrtammin chnages haste makes waste and they
are very much aware of that.

Yes, although some indication of when they will be doing something about it would
be useful. Are they waiting for the EU changes to come in before bothering with
the UK? Are they going to get the UK version up and running to test it works
before the EU changes come in? Are they going to do nothing about it and hope
everyone just gives up and the problem goes away? Nobody really knows anything.
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In Suggestions, calsbricks writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:

...

  
  
  
  The OMP is liable. Not just for VAT, but also for the transaction to the buyer.
A BrickLink Order has become a transaction between 3 parties: the buyer, the
(overseas) seller, and BrickLink is now involed too.

All this because governments/countries want to VAT low valued transactions because
of the high volume and thus high 'income' there is to gain by taxing.

So, what does the seller's invoice look like?

The seller is not invoicing anymore. BrickLink is. The seller is merely a third-party
provider allowing BrickLink to sell their items. The customer buys from BrickLink.
E.g. like bol.com

If that becomes the case, and it has already been said by admin it won't
be (at least for the UK)

Hmm, no actually, irrespective of admin says, there is something called a law.

As long as BL is registered as a marketplace, then they have to collect the VAT,
invoice the customer and be responsible for the goods, as Arnoud said. Sellers
are only fulfillment partners, like on Amazon.

If they do not meet ALL of the requirements for an OMP, they should not have
registered as such. They can still change their registration to an ordinary vendor
and actually inform sellers what they are doing while waiting. This dense wall
of non-communication about what they are doing is what is causing the confusion,
not HMRC or tax experts or whatever.

If they jumped the gun and thought they are the same as an American marketplace
for sales tax purposes, then they should just say so and fix it. It does not
take months and years to fix either. Tax is after all a question of law and fact.
If you factually do not meet the requirements for a legal registration, then
you go change it until you meet what is required. This is not a tax issue, it
is not a tax expert issue, it is not an HMRC issue, it is not even a VAT issue.
It is a management issue which must be managed for the benefit for all stakeholders.

Here is what an online marketplace for UK VAT purposes is - note the requirements
must ALL be met, else the platform cannot collect VAT as a platform and can only
collect VAT on their own turnover.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-and-overseas-goods-sold-to-customers-in-the-uk-using-online-marketplaces
What is a marketplace?
"HMRC’s definition of an online marketplace is a business using a website
or mobile phone app (such as a marketplace, platform or portal) to handle the
sale of goods to customers which meets all of the following conditions:

in any way sets the terms and conditions on how goods are supplied to the
customer
is involved in any way in authorising or facilitating customers’ payments
is involved in the ordering or delivery of the goods

A business will not be classed as an online marketplace if it only provides one
of the following services:

processing of payments for the supply of the goods to the customer
listing or advertisement of goods
redirection or transferring of customers to other websites or mobile phone
apps where goods are offered for sale, without any further involvement in any
sale that might take place on that website or app"






  then a lot of stores will disappear. They have said
repeatedly that they have no plans on charging vat on orders in the UK, other
than import/export situation.

It would be dependent on what the domestic situation is for fulfillment partners
in terms of the actual laws enacted. Here, the platform takes the sale, is responsible
and collects and pays VAT, irrespective if the local partner is registered or
not. The VAT status of the domestic partner is immaterial.

With all due respect, that is what XP will be anyway, and because they are dumping
all the V3 stuff to the classic site to amke XP work, it will have to go that
way. What is the use of saying you do not have to have onsite as a store, but
then buyers cannot checkout if you do not have onsite?
  
Mind you all of this is total speculation and that was mentioned by Russell in
this thread. They are lagging behind on getting this done, which is also increasingly
worrying. When it comes to making progrtammin chnages haste makes waste and they
are very much aware of that.

I don't think there is a development team. There is a maintenance team (probably
plumbers) who comes in once a month and sweeps the floor.
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In Suggestions, bje writes:
  In Suggestions, calsbricks writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:

...

  
  
  
  The OMP is liable. Not just for VAT, but also for the transaction to the buyer.
A BrickLink Order has become a transaction between 3 parties: the buyer, the
(overseas) seller, and BrickLink is now involed too.

All this because governments/countries want to VAT low valued transactions because
of the high volume and thus high 'income' there is to gain by taxing.

So, what does the seller's invoice look like?

The seller is not invoicing anymore. BrickLink is. The seller is merely a third-party
provider allowing BrickLink to sell their items. The customer buys from BrickLink.
E.g. like bol.com

If that becomes the case, and it has already been said by admin it won't
be (at least for the UK)

Hmm, no actually, irrespective of admin says, there is something called a law.

As long as BL is registered as a marketplace, then they have to collect the VAT,
invoice the customer and be responsible for the goods, as Arnoud said. Sellers
are only fulfillment partners, like on Amazon.

If they do not meet ALL of the requirements for an OMP, they should not have
registered as such. They can still change their registration to an ordinary vendor
and actually inform sellers what they are doing while waiting. This dense wall
of non-communication about what they are doing is what is causing the confusion,
not HMRC or tax experts or whatever.

If they jumped the gun and thought they are the same as an American marketplace
for sales tax purposes, then they should just say so and fix it. It does not
take months and years to fix either. Tax is after all a question of law and fact.
If you factually do not meet the requirements for a legal registration, then
you go change it until you meet what is required. This is not a tax issue, it
is not a tax expert issue, it is not an HMRC issue, it is not even a VAT issue.
It is a management issue which must be managed for the benefit for all stakeholders.

Here is what an online marketplace for UK VAT purposes is - note the requirements
must ALL be met, else the platform cannot collect VAT as a platform and can only
collect VAT on their own turnover.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-and-overseas-goods-sold-to-customers-in-the-uk-using-online-marketplaces
What is a marketplace?
"HMRC’s definition of an online marketplace is a business using a website
or mobile phone app (such as a marketplace, platform or portal) to handle the
sale of goods to customers which meets all of the following conditions:

in any way sets the terms and conditions on how goods are supplied to the
customer
is involved in any way in authorising or facilitating customers’ payments
is involved in the ordering or delivery of the goods

A business will not be classed as an online marketplace if it only provides one
of the following services:

processing of payments for the supply of the goods to the customer
listing or advertisement of goods
redirection or transferring of customers to other websites or mobile phone
apps where goods are offered for sale, without any further involvement in any
sale that might take place on that website or app"






  then a lot of stores will disappear. They have said
repeatedly that they have no plans on charging vat on orders in the UK, other
than import/export situation.

It would be dependent on what the domestic situation is for fulfillment partners
in terms of the actual laws enacted. Here, the platform takes the sale, is responsible
and collects and pays VAT, irrespective if the local partner is registered or
not. The VAT status of the domestic partner is immaterial.

With all due respect, that is what XP will be anyway, and because they are dumping
all the V3 stuff to the classic site to amke XP work, it will have to go that
way. What is the use of saying you do not have to have onsite as a store, but
then buyers cannot checkout if you do not have onsite?
  
Mind you all of this is total speculation and that was mentioned by Russell in
this thread. They are lagging behind on getting this done, which is also increasingly
worrying. When it comes to making progrtammin chnages haste makes waste and they
are very much aware of that.

I don't think there is a development team. There is a maintenance team (probably
plumbers) who comes in once a month and sweeps the floor.

Exactly what I am thinking. Waiting is not an option. BrickLink should make up
his mind, decide what they are, and take control of its actions.
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In Suggestions, bje writes:
  In Suggestions, calsbricks writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:

...

  
  
  
  The OMP is liable. Not just for VAT, but also for the transaction to the buyer.
A BrickLink Order has become a transaction between 3 parties: the buyer, the
(overseas) seller, and BrickLink is now involed too.

All this because governments/countries want to VAT low valued transactions because
of the high volume and thus high 'income' there is to gain by taxing.

So, what does the seller's invoice look like?

The seller is not invoicing anymore. BrickLink is. The seller is merely a third-party
provider allowing BrickLink to sell their items. The customer buys from BrickLink.
E.g. like bol.com

If that becomes the case, and it has already been said by admin it won't
be (at least for the UK)

Hmm, no actually, irrespective of admin says, there is something called a law.

As long as BL is registered as a marketplace, then they have to collect the VAT,
invoice the customer and be responsible for the goods, as Arnoud said. Sellers
are only fulfillment partners, like on Amazon.

If they do not meet ALL of the requirements for an OMP, they should not have
registered as such. They can still change their registration to an ordinary vendor
and actually inform sellers what they are doing while waiting. This dense wall
of non-communication about what they are doing is what is causing the confusion,
not HMRC or tax experts or whatever.

If they jumped the gun and thought they are the same as an American marketplace
for sales tax purposes, then they should just say so and fix it. It does not
take months and years to fix either. Tax is after all a question of law and fact.
If you factually do not meet the requirements for a legal registration, then
you go change it until you meet what is required. This is not a tax issue, it
is not a tax expert issue, it is not an HMRC issue, it is not even a VAT issue.
It is a management issue which must be managed for the benefit for all stakeholders.

Here is what an online marketplace for UK VAT purposes is - note the requirements
must ALL be met, else the platform cannot collect VAT as a platform and can only
collect VAT on their own turnover.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/vat-and-overseas-goods-sold-to-customers-in-the-uk-using-online-marketplaces
What is a marketplace?
"HMRC’s definition of an online marketplace is a business using a website
or mobile phone app (such as a marketplace, platform or portal) to handle the
sale of goods to customers which meets all of the following conditions:

in any way sets the terms and conditions on how goods are supplied to the
customer
is involved in any way in authorising or facilitating customers’ payments
is involved in the ordering or delivery of the goods

A business will not be classed as an online marketplace if it only provides one
of the following services:

processing of payments for the supply of the goods to the customer
listing or advertisement of goods
redirection or transferring of customers to other websites or mobile phone
apps where goods are offered for sale, without any further involvement in any
sale that might take place on that website or app"






  then a lot of stores will disappear. They have said
repeatedly that they have no plans on charging vat on orders in the UK, other
than import/export situation.

It would be dependent on what the domestic situation is for fulfillment partners
in terms of the actual laws enacted. Here, the platform takes the sale, is responsible
and collects and pays VAT, irrespective if the local partner is registered or
not. The VAT status of the domestic partner is immaterial.

With all due respect, that is what XP will be anyway, and because they are dumping
all the V3 stuff to the classic site to amke XP work, it will have to go that
way. What is the use of saying you do not have to have onsite as a store, but
then buyers cannot checkout if you do not have onsite?
  
Mind you all of this is total speculation and that was mentioned by Russell in
this thread. They are lagging behind on getting this done, which is also increasingly
worrying. When it comes to making progrtammin chnages haste makes waste and they
are very much aware of that.

I don't think there is a development team. There is a maintenance team (probably
plumbers) who comes in once a month and sweeps the floor.

Hi Jean trust you are keeping safe and well

I pretty much agree with all you are saying but even that leaves all kinds of
questions. How have they registered as an OMP or not - they haven't said
directly. Russell has maintained in several threads and messages that the UK
will be treated differently to the EU. We will see about that.

As for collecting vat on orders he has denied that on several occasions. Hard
to go back on that now and it would be worse than spaghetti code trying to sort
that out. UK sellers prices are inclusive of VAT otherwise the seller is writing
off 20^ off the top and that is not healthy. So major changes would have to be
put in place to create fairness and transparency in pricing.

As for xp it has now been around for several years and to be honest we have nothing
- the claims that it will sit alongside classic are just to keep stores happy
as no one wants to maintain 2 separate systems. XP, in ours, and many others
opinions will not succeed for the majority of parts stores - it might work for
sets and one time buyers but the concept is wrong and unless they go back to
the drawing board (and they are not known for doing that) it will kill the site,
in our opinion or at least change the dimensions.

Having said all that the crystal ball is very murky over this entire thing. Lack
of detailed communication and much speculation just creates 'fake news'
really and we have had enough of that.

They definitely need to work more closely with the 'stakeholders' which
we thought would happen when TLG took over, but Bricklink are a small element
of a very large corporation so how much weight they carry remains to be seen.

Anyway take care of yourself and family - get your jab when you can and in the
meantime keep safe
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In Suggestions, calsbricks writes:
...
Afternoon Bill

All is well here thank you, but all is obviously not well in the BL world (nothing
new there). Hope you and your family are safe.
  Hi Jean trust you are keeping safe and well

I pretty much agree with all you are saying but even that leaves all kinds of
questions. How have they registered as an OMP or not - they haven't said
directly.

Actually, Russell said they registered as an OMP for UK VAT purposes, and I've
not seen anything to the contrary from BL's side.
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1243028
and quote: "BrickLink is now officially registered as a marketplace with the
UK"


  Russell has maintained in several threads and messages that the UK
will be treated differently to the EU. We will see about that.

Could be, if the UK laws are different to the EU laws when it comes to this issue.
But even if so, they need to sort this UK issue at some point, because the EU
would be a fair bit more work.

I'm starting to think actually that they are just normally registered and
trying to figure out a way to collect VAT on imports without becoming fully liable
for orders. It is a stated goal of BrickLinbk management to collect all taxes
on all orders, heaven help us. This is the only possible understanding I can
get from the mixed messages coming out, and if that is the case, I don't
know if a person must laugh or cry, because it would be so horribly stupid if
sellers had to stop shipping for two months to the UK because BrickLink cannot
determine what type of registration it has.

But until they do not make an announcement to whatever effect, I don't think
it wise to take chances and ship to the UK. I'm also too lazy to register
myself for VAT while I wait for them, and then deregister when they finally figure
out that they are sucking on the ring end of the rubber dummy.

  
As for collecting vat on orders he has denied that on several occasions. Hard
to go back on that now and it would be worse than spaghetti code trying to sort
that out. UK sellers prices are inclusive of VAT otherwise the seller is writing
off 20^ off the top and that is not healthy. So major changes would have to be
put in place to create fairness and transparency in pricing.

As for xp it has now been around for several years and to be honest we have nothing
- the claims that it will sit alongside classic are just to keep stores happy
as no one wants to maintain 2 separate systems. XP, in ours, and many others
opinions will not succeed for the majority of parts stores - it might work for
sets and one time buyers but the concept is wrong and unless they go back to
the drawing board (and they are not known for doing that) it will kill the site,
in our opinion or at least change the dimensions.

Having said all that the crystal ball is very murky over this entire thing. Lack
of detailed communication and much speculation just creates 'fake news'
really and we have had enough of that.

They definitely need to work more closely with the 'stakeholders' which
we thought would happen when TLG took over, but Bricklink are a small element
of a very large corporation so how much weight they carry remains to be seen.

Anyway take care of yourself and family - get your jab when you can and in the
meantime keep safe
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In Suggestions, bje writes:
  In Suggestions, calsbricks writes:
...
Afternoon Bill

All is well here thank you, but all is obviously not well in the BL world (nothing
new there). Hope you and your family are safe.
  Hi Jean trust you are keeping safe and well

I pretty much agree with all you are saying but even that leaves all kinds of
questions. How have they registered as an OMP or not - they haven't said
directly.

Actually, Russell said they registered as an OMP for UK VAT purposes, and I've
not seen anything to the contrary from BL's side.
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1243028
and quote: "BrickLink is now officially registered as a marketplace with the
UK"


  Russell has maintained in several threads and messages that the UK
will be treated differently to the EU. We will see about that.

BrickLink is an online marktplace by any definition I encountered, not just UK.
If the marketplace has an active role, which means not just bringing together
supply and demand, then it is a marketplace. And yes, BrickLink is very active:
supporting ordering, invoicing, stock maintainance, quotes, payment method supports,
etc. So, definitely an OMP. Regardless whether they have registered as such,
they will be deemed as such, and be liable as such.

  
Could be, if the UK laws are different to the EU laws when it comes to this issue.
But even if so, they need to sort this UK issue at some point, because the EU
would be a fair bit more work.

Rules can and are different for different countries a/o states. As OMP this is
a huge burden on IT and administration.

The EU attempts to simplify rules and regulations, but these will take effect
only as of July 1, 2021. Even then, country-specific regulations are still possible.

  
I'm starting to think actually that they are just normally registered and
trying to figure out a way to collect VAT on imports without becoming fully liable
for orders. It is a stated goal of BrickLinbk management to collect all taxes
on all orders, heaven help us. This is the only possible understanding I can
get from the mixed messages coming out, and if that is the case, I don't
know if a person must laugh or cry, because it would be so horribly stupid if
sellers had to stop shipping for two months to the UK because BrickLink cannot
determine what type of registration it has.

But until they do not make an announcement to whatever effect, I don't think
it wise to take chances and ship to the UK. I'm also too lazy to register
myself for VAT while I wait for them, and then deregister when they finally figure
out that they are sucking on the ring end of the rubber dummy.

  
As for collecting vat on orders he has denied that on several occasions. Hard
to go back on that now and it would be worse than spaghetti code trying to sort
that out. UK sellers prices are inclusive of VAT otherwise the seller is writing
off 20^ off the top and that is not healthy. So major changes would have to be
put in place to create fairness and transparency in pricing.

As for xp it has now been around for several years and to be honest we have nothing
- the claims that it will sit alongside classic are just to keep stores happy
as no one wants to maintain 2 separate systems. XP, in ours, and many others
opinions will not succeed for the majority of parts stores - it might work for
sets and one time buyers but the concept is wrong and unless they go back to
the drawing board (and they are not known for doing that) it will kill the site,
in our opinion or at least change the dimensions.

Having said all that the crystal ball is very murky over this entire thing. Lack
of detailed communication and much speculation just creates 'fake news'
really and we have had enough of that.

They definitely need to work more closely with the 'stakeholders' which
we thought would happen when TLG took over, but Bricklink are a small element
of a very large corporation so how much weight they carry remains to be seen.

Anyway take care of yourself and family - get your jab when you can and in the
meantime keep safe
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  As long as BL is registered as a marketplace, then they have to collect the VAT,
invoice the customer and be responsible for the goods, as Arnoud said. Sellers
are only fulfillment partners, like on Amazon.

If they do not meet ALL of the requirements for an OMP, they should not have
registered as such. They can still change their registration to an ordinary vendor
and actually inform sellers what they are doing while waiting. This dense wall
of non-communication about what they are doing is what is causing the confusion,
not HMRC or tax experts or whatever.

This has already been posted by BL staff in response to a US / non-UK seller
about VAT:

https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1245416

BrickLink is now a registered marketplace in the UK, meaning the burden of
the
VAT is on BrickLink, and not you as a seller. You can send whatever size of
order you like to the UK on BrickLink. Don't feel you need to limit orders
to 135 GBP and above.



From the wording, I would take it as the burden of the VAT calculation and collection
is on BL, not on individual sellers. Quite why this statement was made at that
time, I do not know, as it is clear that BL are not calculating or collecting
VAT for imports into the UK.
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In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, Teup writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, Teup writes:
[snip]
  Everything is just so backwards, I am not a tax expert by a long shot but let's
just look at this from a logic perspective:

If it was legally valid to write "Bricklink order" on your invoice, then the
EU and the UK would have had an emergency meeting by now because they realised
that almost all of the international trade is being labelled "Bricklink order"


It can't work like that. So yeah, EITHER Bricklink is the seller and WE sell
to Bricklink - thus a US export, export to US rules apply - OR we sell to the
customer in their country AND that country's rules apply.

From the persective of the seller, these are simply the only two ways. As a seller
you need to have invoices that mention the country, and then apply the rules
for THAT country. There is only "United States" or "United Kingdom". There's
simply no such thing as "United Kingdom-but-it's-a-Bricklink-order-and-Bricklink-said-it's-fine"


Or am I too pessimstic about the amount of patience tax agencies have when doing
audits and people come up with stories about platform selling (without hard evidence)?

Read the link below, this is not something new. The UK already started in 2016
with quote: "special provisions for online marketplaces".

http://kluwertaxblog.com/2020/02/26/online-marketplaces-and-eu-vat-global-reach-but-compliance-still-local/

These changes to come have been known for 4 years up until Jan 1, 2021.

The OMP is liable. Not just for VAT, but also for the transaction to the buyer.
A BrickLink Order has become a transaction between 3 parties: the buyer, the
(overseas) seller, and BrickLink is now involed too.

All this because governments/countries want to VAT low valued transactions because
of the high volume and thus high 'income' there is to gain by taxing.

So, what does the seller's invoice look like?

The seller is not invoicing anymore. BrickLink is. The seller is merely a third-party
provider allowing BrickLink to sell their items. The customer buys from BrickLink.
E.g. like bol.com


Good luck explaining that to the Belastingdienst...
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In Suggestions, Teup writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, Teup writes:
[snip]
  Everything is just so backwards, I am not a tax expert by a long shot but let's
just look at this from a logic perspective:

If it was legally valid to write "Bricklink order" on your invoice, then the
EU and the UK would have had an emergency meeting by now because they realised
that almost all of the international trade is being labelled "Bricklink order"


It can't work like that. So yeah, EITHER Bricklink is the seller and WE sell
to Bricklink - thus a US export, export to US rules apply - OR we sell to the
customer in their country AND that country's rules apply.

From the persective of the seller, these are simply the only two ways. As a seller
you need to have invoices that mention the country, and then apply the rules
for THAT country. There is only "United States" or "United Kingdom". There's
simply no such thing as "United Kingdom-but-it's-a-Bricklink-order-and-Bricklink-said-it's-fine"


Or am I too pessimstic about the amount of patience tax agencies have when doing
audits and people come up with stories about platform selling (without hard evidence)?

Read the link below, this is not something new. The UK already started in 2016
with quote: "special provisions for online marketplaces".

http://kluwertaxblog.com/2020/02/26/online-marketplaces-and-eu-vat-global-reach-but-compliance-still-local/

These changes to come have been known for 4 years up until Jan 1, 2021.

The OMP is liable. Not just for VAT, but also for the transaction to the buyer.
A BrickLink Order has become a transaction between 3 parties: the buyer, the
(overseas) seller, and BrickLink is now involed too.

All this because governments/countries want to VAT low valued transactions because
of the high volume and thus high 'income' there is to gain by taxing.

So, what does the seller's invoice look like?

Like this:
 
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Location:  Netherlands, Utrecht
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In Suggestions, Stellar writes:
  In Suggestions, Teup writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, Teup writes:
[snip]
  Everything is just so backwards, I am not a tax expert by a long shot but let's
just look at this from a logic perspective:

If it was legally valid to write "Bricklink order" on your invoice, then the
EU and the UK would have had an emergency meeting by now because they realised
that almost all of the international trade is being labelled "Bricklink order"


It can't work like that. So yeah, EITHER Bricklink is the seller and WE sell
to Bricklink - thus a US export, export to US rules apply - OR we sell to the
customer in their country AND that country's rules apply.

From the persective of the seller, these are simply the only two ways. As a seller
you need to have invoices that mention the country, and then apply the rules
for THAT country. There is only "United States" or "United Kingdom". There's
simply no such thing as "United Kingdom-but-it's-a-Bricklink-order-and-Bricklink-said-it's-fine"


Or am I too pessimstic about the amount of patience tax agencies have when doing
audits and people come up with stories about platform selling (without hard evidence)?

Read the link below, this is not something new. The UK already started in 2016
with quote: "special provisions for online marketplaces".

http://kluwertaxblog.com/2020/02/26/online-marketplaces-and-eu-vat-global-reach-but-compliance-still-local/

These changes to come have been known for 4 years up until Jan 1, 2021.

The OMP is liable. Not just for VAT, but also for the transaction to the buyer.
A BrickLink Order has become a transaction between 3 parties: the buyer, the
(overseas) seller, and BrickLink is now involed too.

All this because governments/countries want to VAT low valued transactions because
of the high volume and thus high 'income' there is to gain by taxing.

So, what does the seller's invoice look like?

Like this:

I was referring to the invoice that the seller makes... you cannot make an invoice
with the buying party located in the UK but without applying the UK rules...

The buyer needs to be Bricklink if Bricklink takes care of the VAT, so the buying
party should not be the name + address of your buyer, but Briclink Ltd in California..

If you're making invoices for clients in the UK while letting Bricklink take
care of VAT, you're going to be in trouble.. if Bricklink does not provide
its tax ID, the authorities have absolutely no way of checking whether any particular
one of your transactions was indeed done correctly..
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In Suggestions, calsbricks writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, bje writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, Teup writes:
  In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  In Suggestions, mvfisker writes:
  Just wondering.
Chose "European Union" as seller - and Great Britain sellers still came up. Shouldn't
that be changed now after Brexit?
Cheers, Morten

Bricklink time is currently somewhere in about 2004.

I think they already had websites with timezones in 2004..

TLG had big plans with BrickLink but is choking now..

BrickLink is busy with USA sales taxes, we really should not expect multitasking
in their attempts to break things. They did say they will address the Brexit
issues before 5 February (they did not say which aeon though).

No, we should expect. After all we pay fees for this site. It was long time known
Brexit was coming, they should have been ready for it.

As almost everyone on this forum knows I am not Bricklink's biggest fan as
far as developmenet work goes however I think in this case it is fair to say
that the UK hasn't yet got it right and neither does the rest of the EU -
Just look at the below from a site we use regularly. (Don't forget we still
have VAT to look forward to

Yes, true. UK hasn't got it on the track. EU does however. On the short term
EU draws the longest straw, more and more companies are moving away from UK in
favor of EU or elsewhere. That is a loss for the UK regrettably, but needles
to say UK wanted the Brexit no the EU. On the long run it is inconclusive if
this development is a good thing. Cooperation is imo the better road how complicated
it might be.

So maybe it is the best of worst to exclude UK for now. Until they got their
things together. But I give you this, it is very complicated.
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In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, calsbricks writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, bje writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, Teup writes:
  In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  In Suggestions, mvfisker writes:
  Just wondering.
Chose "European Union" as seller - and Great Britain sellers still came up. Shouldn't
that be changed now after Brexit?
Cheers, Morten

Bricklink time is currently somewhere in about 2004.

I think they already had websites with timezones in 2004..

TLG had big plans with BrickLink but is choking now..

BrickLink is busy with USA sales taxes, we really should not expect multitasking
in their attempts to break things. They did say they will address the Brexit
issues before 5 February (they did not say which aeon though).

No, we should expect. After all we pay fees for this site. It was long time known
Brexit was coming, they should have been ready for it.

As almost everyone on this forum knows I am not Bricklink's biggest fan as
far as developmenet work goes however I think in this case it is fair to say
that the UK hasn't yet got it right and neither does the rest of the EU -
Just look at the below from a site we use regularly. (Don't forget we still
have VAT to look forward to

Yes, true. UK hasn't got it on the track. EU does however. On the short term
EU draws the longest straw, more and more companies are moving away from UK in
favor of EU or elsewhere. That is a loss for the UK regrettably, but needles
to say UK wanted the Brexit no the EU. On the long run it is inconclusive if
this development is a good thing. Cooperation is imo the better road how complicated
it might be.

So maybe it is the best of worst to exclude UK for now. Until they got their
things together. But I give you this, it is very complicated.

We will bide our time before we make up our mind on the way forward - a lot depends
o how BL deal with it and that, according to them, is still pretty much unknown.

We have turned away a few orders since Jan 1 from different areas in the EU -
ione we processed and a simple cn22 - posted it and the buyer got it in good
time and here were no snags (Switzerland - which isn't really part of the
EU but all went okay).
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In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, calsbricks writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, bje writes:
  In Suggestions, patpendlego writes:
  In Suggestions, Teup writes:
  In Suggestions, yorbrick writes:
  In Suggestions, mvfisker writes:
  Just wondering.
Chose "European Union" as seller - and Great Britain sellers still came up. Shouldn't
that be changed now after Brexit?
Cheers, Morten

Bricklink time is currently somewhere in about 2004.

I think they already had websites with timezones in 2004..

TLG had big plans with BrickLink but is choking now..

BrickLink is busy with USA sales taxes, we really should not expect multitasking
in their attempts to break things. They did say they will address the Brexit
issues before 5 February (they did not say which aeon though).

No, we should expect. After all we pay fees for this site. It was long time known
Brexit was coming, they should have been ready for it.

As almost everyone on this forum knows I am not Bricklink's biggest fan as
far as developmenet work goes however I think in this case it is fair to say
that the UK hasn't yet got it right and neither does the rest of the EU -
Just look at the below from a site we use regularly. (Don't forget we still
have VAT to look forward to

Yes, true. UK hasn't got it on the track. EU does however. On the short term
EU draws the longest straw, more and more companies are moving away from UK in
favor of EU or elsewhere. That is a loss for the UK regrettably, but needles
to say UK wanted the Brexit no the EU. On the long run it is inconclusive if
this development is a good thing. Cooperation is imo the better road how complicated
it might be.

So maybe it is the best of worst to exclude UK for now. Until they got their
things together. But I give you this, it is very complicated.

Things are together, at least at other websites. I've ordered non-lego parts
from aliexpress since the change from different sellers. VAT was charged and
all were clear on the declaration that VAT was paid. Similarly I've ordered
lego parts from Germany, via another online marketplace website, VAT paid there
too.