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| | | Author: | dcarmine  | | Posted: | Feb 18, 2021 14:45 | | Subject: | White or LBG....can you see it? | | Viewed: | 228 times | | Topic: | Colors | | Status: | Open | |
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| This has been bugging me for a while. Many years ago the color of the rendering
images was changed. Ever since, I have had trouble telling the difference between
some color images. I know others complained about it also. Because of this,
I make mistakes when pulling the right color parts.
I have no trouble telling the difference between any colors of real bricks or
any of the photo images. It is only the part renderings. Maybe if enough people
can't tell either, we can get it changed to something that is easier to see.
So, who can tell the difference between these two images? One is white and one
is LBG. They are screen shots of rendered parts without any editing. What say
you?
Donna
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| | | | | Author: | tons_of_bricks | | Posted: | Feb 18, 2021 15:04 | | Subject: | Re: White or LBG....can you see it? | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| The brick is LBG, the slope is white.
I agree though, they are super similar.
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| | | | | | | Author: | dcarmine | | Posted: | Feb 18, 2021 15:07 | | Subject: | Re: White or LBG....can you see it? | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, firestar246 writes:
| | The brick is LBG, the slope is white.
I agree though, they are super similar.
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Thank you for replying. I will let this get more replies and then revel the answer.
Donna
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| | | | | Author: | War_builder | | Posted: | Feb 18, 2021 15:04 | | Subject: | Re: White or LBG....can you see it? | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, dcarmine writes:
| | This has been bugging me for a while. Many years ago the color of the rendering
images was changed. Ever since, I have had trouble telling the difference between
some color images. I know others complained about it also. Because of this,
I make mistakes when pulling the right color parts.
I have no trouble telling the difference between any colors of real bricks or
any of the photo images. It is only the part renderings. Maybe if enough people
can't tell either, we can get it changed to something that is easier to see.
So, who can tell the difference between these two images? One is white and one
is LBG. They are screen shots of rendered parts without any editing. What say
you?
Donna
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I looked at both pictures and the white is lighter than the light bluish gray
but the difference is small.
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| | | | | | | Author: | dcarmine | | Posted: | Feb 18, 2021 15:08 | | Subject: | Re: White or LBG....can you see it? | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, War_builder writes:
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I looked at both pictures and the white is lighter than the light bluish gray
but the difference is small.
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Thank you for replying. I will let this get more replies and then revel the answer.
Donna
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| | | | | Author: | SurplusParts | | Posted: | Feb 18, 2021 15:21 | | Subject: | Re: White or LBG....can you see it? | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| Probably happened to me a hundred times when picking orders. For me it is not
just the close proximity of the colour renders. When i pick orders i do so off
a laptop and if you don't have the screen at the right angle it makes the
colour proximity worse.
I am yet to pick the wrong coloured part but that is because i always double
check and go back and read what colour it is. So no mistakes, but costs me time
when picking.
For me the 1x1 brick with stud is the lbg and the 1x3 slope is the white one.
Cheers
Douglas
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| | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Feb 18, 2021 15:38 | | Subject: | Re: White or LBG....can you see it? | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, dcarmine writes:
| | This has been bugging me for a while. Many years ago the color of the rendering
images was changed. Ever since, I have had trouble telling the difference between
some color images. I know others complained about it also. Because of this,
I make mistakes when pulling the right color parts.
I have no trouble telling the difference between any colors of real bricks or
any of the photo images. It is only the part renderings. Maybe if enough people
can't tell either, we can get it changed to something that is easier to see.
So, who can tell the difference between these two images? One is white and one
is LBG. They are screen shots of rendered parts without any editing. What say
you?
Donna
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I sort by colour when picking so it isn't an issue.
I looked up both parts in white and neither matches the shades you have shown
here, so I don't know if something strange is going on.
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| | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Feb 18, 2021 15:43 | | Subject: | Re: White or LBG....can you see it? | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, dcarmine writes:
| | This has been bugging me for a while. Many years ago the color of the rendering
images was changed. Ever since, I have had trouble telling the difference between
some color images. I know others complained about it also. Because of this,
I make mistakes when pulling the right color parts.
I have no trouble telling the difference between any colors of real bricks or
any of the photo images. It is only the part renderings. Maybe if enough people
can't tell either, we can get it changed to something that is easier to see.
So, who can tell the difference between these two images? One is white and one
is LBG. They are screen shots of rendered parts without any editing. What say
you?
Donna
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The images from LEGO are very poorly rendered with way too much light and shadow
which leads to color confusion. Our old thumbnail images had much more color
clarity but couldn't be enlarged, so what we have now is just a decent compromise.
Since the site changed to using renders, members like randyf have spent countless
hours manually adjusting each image to visually match a color.
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogMembers.asp?viewAll=I
The White items are particularly bad. I am happy to help fix any items that still
have bad part renders that are bothering you. Just send me a message with the
number and color and I will upload a color-corrected image to replace the one
we have. I really don't mind helping so don't be shy!
I will fix the White slope from your example.
Jen
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| | | | | | | Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Feb 18, 2021 16:42 | | Subject: | Re: White or LBG....can you see it? | | Viewed: | 84 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, jennnifer writes:
| | In Colors, dcarmine writes:
| | This has been bugging me for a while. Many years ago the color of the rendering
images was changed. Ever since, I have had trouble telling the difference between
some color images. I know others complained about it also. Because of this,
I make mistakes when pulling the right color parts.
I have no trouble telling the difference between any colors of real bricks or
any of the photo images. It is only the part renderings. Maybe if enough people
can't tell either, we can get it changed to something that is easier to see.
So, who can tell the difference between these two images? One is white and one
is LBG. They are screen shots of rendered parts without any editing. What say
you?
Donna
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The images from LEGO are very poorly rendered with way too much light and shadow
which leads to color confusion. Our old thumbnail images had much more color
clarity but couldn't be enlarged, so what we have now is just a decent compromise.
Since the site changed to using renders, members like randyf have spent countless
hours manually adjusting each image to visually match a color.
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogMembers.asp?viewAll=I
The White items are particularly bad. I am happy to help fix any items that still
have bad part renders that are bothering you. Just send me a message with the
number and color and I will upload a color-corrected image to replace the one
we have. I really don't mind helping so don't be shy!
I will fix the White slope from your example.
Jen
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| | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Feb 18, 2021 17:25 | | Subject: | Re: White or LBG....can you see it? | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, jennnifer writes:
| | In Colors, dcarmine writes:
| | This has been bugging me for a while. Many years ago the color of the rendering
images was changed. Ever since, I have had trouble telling the difference between
some color images. I know others complained about it also. Because of this,
I make mistakes when pulling the right color parts.
I have no trouble telling the difference between any colors of real bricks or
any of the photo images. It is only the part renderings. Maybe if enough people
can't tell either, we can get it changed to something that is easier to see.
So, who can tell the difference between these two images? One is white and one
is LBG. They are screen shots of rendered parts without any editing. What say
you?
Donna
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The images from LEGO are very poorly rendered with way too much light and shadow
which leads to color confusion. Our old thumbnail images had much more color
clarity but couldn't be enlarged, so what we have now is just a decent compromise.
Since the site changed to using renders, members like randyf have spent countless
hours manually adjusting each image to visually match a color.
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogMembers.asp?viewAll=I
The White items are particularly bad. I am happy to help fix any items that still
have bad part renders that are bothering you. Just send me a message with the
number and color and I will upload a color-corrected image to replace the one
we have. I really don't mind helping so don't be shy!
I will fix the White slope from your example.
Jen
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You rigged the game!
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| | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Feb 18, 2021 17:13 | | Subject: | Re: White or LBG....can you see it? | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, dcarmine writes:
| | This has been bugging me for a while. Many years ago the color of the rendering
images was changed. Ever since, I have had trouble telling the difference between
some color images. I know others complained about it also. Because of this,
I make mistakes when pulling the right color parts.
I have no trouble telling the difference between any colors of real bricks or
any of the photo images. It is only the part renderings. Maybe if enough people
can't tell either, we can get it changed to something that is easier to see.
So, who can tell the difference between these two images? One is white and one
is LBG. They are screen shots of rendered parts without any editing. What say
you?
Donna
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The way my inventory is stored makes it unlikely that I would pull the wrong
piece, but I do frequently waste my time looking for the wrong color because
of the LBG/white renders.
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| | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 18, 2021 17:26 | | Subject: | Re: White or LBG....can you see it? | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, axaday writes:
| | In Colors, dcarmine writes:
| | This has been bugging me for a while. Many years ago the color of the rendering
images was changed. Ever since, I have had trouble telling the difference between
some color images. I know others complained about it also. Because of this,
I make mistakes when pulling the right color parts.
I have no trouble telling the difference between any colors of real bricks or
any of the photo images. It is only the part renderings. Maybe if enough people
can't tell either, we can get it changed to something that is easier to see.
So, who can tell the difference between these two images? One is white and one
is LBG. They are screen shots of rendered parts without any editing. What say
you?
Donna
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The way my inventory is stored makes it unlikely that I would pull the wrong
piece, but I do frequently waste my time looking for the wrong color because
of the LBG/white renders.
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I have sometimes done the same thing but for me its been where Black looked more
DBG
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | peregrinator | | Posted: | Feb 18, 2021 17:41 | | Subject: | Re: White or LBG....can you see it? | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, infinibrix writes:
| | I have sometimes done the same thing but for me its been where Black looked more
DBG
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My current inventory bugaboo is black vs dark blue, but I've mostly "solved"
it by storing them in separate drawers.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Feb 18, 2021 17:57 | | Subject: | Re: White or LBG....can you see it? | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, peregrinator writes:
| | In Colors, infinibrix writes:
| | I have sometimes done the same thing but for me its been where Black looked more
DBG
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My current inventory bugaboo is black vs dark blue, but I've mostly "solved"
it by storing them in separate drawers.
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I know that feeling too. If you hav'nt got good natural daylight they can
all look black
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| | | | | Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Feb 18, 2021 18:35 | | Subject: | Re: White or LBG....can you see it? | | Viewed: | 91 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, dcarmine writes:
| | This has been bugging me for a while. Many years ago the color of the rendering
images was changed. Ever since, I have had trouble telling the difference between
some color images. I know others complained about it also. Because of this,
I make mistakes when pulling the right color parts.
I have no trouble telling the difference between any colors of real bricks or
any of the photo images. It is only the part renderings. Maybe if enough people
can't tell either, we can get it changed to something that is easier to see.
So, who can tell the difference between these two images? One is white and one
is LBG. They are screen shots of rendered parts without any editing. What say
you?
Donna
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You may be able to solve the problem partially by adjusting the brightness of
your screen. I have mine set at 50% and it's perfect.
However, this does bring up a larger point about which types of images serve
our users the best. To be honest, the old renders with black lines were terrific
at the 80 x 60 size, and I've long considered the idea of bringing them back
as an option, specifically for sellers picking orders.
The trouble we have with White images now is that the definition of the brick
is created not by hard lines but by shading. The old renders had no shading,
so the color was perfectly clear and consistent throughout the image. Although
some of the larger parts had interference from the heavy black stud lines.
With the new LEGO renders, they are bigger of course, and are superior from a
marketing standpoint because of the elegant shading, which sort of puts them
halfway between a render and a photo. But I'm thinking they are not so great
when it comes to hardcore order pulling where you want to keep the images small
so you get more inventory lines per screen.
For newer users, take a look here to see what the old renders looked like:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogColors.asp?itemType=P&itemNo=3001special&v=2
If enough people think they are an improvement over what we have now, we could
maybe give an option to select one or the other depending on preference.
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| | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Feb 18, 2021 19:36 | | Subject: | Re: White or LBG....can you see it? | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, Admin_Russell writes:
| | If enough people think they are an improvement over what we have now, we could
maybe give an option to select one or the other depending on preference.
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I think they are very ugly and I have spent hours and hours replacing them because
I was told that Bricklink wants their pictures to be attractive.
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| | | | | | | Author: | crazylegoman | | Posted: | Feb 18, 2021 23:13 | | Subject: | Re: White or LBG....can you see it? | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, Admin_Russell writes:
| | However, this does bring up a larger point about which types of images serve
our users the best. To be honest, the old renders with black lines were terrific
at the 80 x 60 size, and I've long considered the idea of bringing them back
as an option, specifically for sellers picking orders.
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If enough people think they are an improvement over what we have now, we could
maybe give an option to select one or the other depending on preference.
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I agree that the older renders with the black edges were terrific. One reason
was their simplicity, but another was consistency. I've browsed stores
where I'm looking at one color category of parts, and the small images are
not all the same color. (This is most noticeable with light bluish gray and
dark tan.)
I would love an option for viewing the original style thumbnail images. Maybe
it could be some checkbox or dropdown menu option?
All attached images are just for nostalgia. 
David
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| | | | | | | Author: | RecycledBrick | | Posted: | Feb 18, 2021 23:23 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Feb 19, 2021 01:24 | | Subject: | Re: White or LBG....can you see it? | | Viewed: | 78 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, RecycledBrick writes:
| | I like the old renders because they are better for color. Where did the pictures
for the categories in BL XP come from? They are crisp and the colors seem decent.
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The edge lines on the representative renders on XP came as a result of tens of
thousands of Studio renders being set aside during the 2017 image project. Here's
one of the ones that made it through:
With no edge lines and only a minimal amount of shading, a majority of those
images lacked enough definition at a small size to be an improvement over the
classic "black line" render. So in most cases, official LEGO renders were used
instead:
The standard rendering engine on Studio is configured more for entire models
than single parts, so for those XP images, we used a special processing system
that is not part of the regular Studio package. They were not batch produced
- each one was hand crafted.
The trouble with renders is that line-drawn renders like those representative
images are "tuned" to an optimal size. Troy's renders were given edge lines
just thick enough to look great at 80 x 60. If they would be shown smaller or
bigger than that you would need to adjust the line thickness. Those of you who
have used LDraw and some of the popular rendering tools associated with it, you
may be familiar with that setting.
In modern web design, images are often expected to be used at a variety of sizes.
The old BrickLink did not have that challenge. All part images on the site were
small and exactly the same standard size, except for the large "see it closer"
images which would open in another setting and were often a different image entirely
from the "thumbnail". I hesitate to even call those images thumbnails because
they actually were the standard for the site. All the catalog list pages, inventories,
order detail pages, etc (and even the Forum macro tags) were only shown at that
standard. Yes, there are/were ways to see the large images in some different
views, but most of the time people were looking at the small ones.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Feb 19, 2021 04:34 | | Subject: | Re: White or LBG....can you see it? | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Colors, RecycledBrick writes:
| | I like the old renders because they are better for color. Where did the pictures
for the categories in BL XP come from? They are crisp and the colors seem decent.
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The edge lines on the representative renders on XP came as a result of tens of
thousands of Studio renders being set aside during the 2017 image project. Here's
one of the ones that made it through:
With no edge lines and only a minimal amount of shading, a majority of those
images lacked enough definition at a small size to be an improvement over the
classic "black line" render. So in most cases, official LEGO renders were used
instead:
The standard rendering engine on Studio is configured more for entire models
than single parts, so for those XP images, we used a special processing system
that is not part of the regular Studio package. They were not batch produced
- each one was hand crafted.
The trouble with renders is that line-drawn renders like those representative
images are "tuned" to an optimal size. Troy's renders were given edge lines
just thick enough to look great at 80 x 60. If they would be shown smaller or
bigger than that you would need to adjust the line thickness. Those of you who
have used LDraw and some of the popular rendering tools associated with it, you
may be familiar with that setting.
In modern web design, images are often expected to be used at a variety of sizes.
The old BrickLink did not have that challenge. All part images on the site were
small and exactly the same standard size, except for the large "see it closer"
images which would open in another setting and were often a different image entirely
from the "thumbnail". I hesitate to even call those images thumbnails because
they actually were the standard for the site. All the catalog list pages, inventories,
order detail pages, etc (and even the Forum macro tags) were only shown at that
standard. Yes, there are/were ways to see the large images in some different
views, but most of the time people were looking at the small ones.
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If you do more renders in the future, please, enable the setting to show the
word LEGO on the studs... the XP images may be confused as knock-offs brands...
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| | | | | Author: | chetzler | | Posted: | Feb 18, 2021 23:39 | | Subject: | Re: White or LBG....can you see it? | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, dcarmine writes:
| | This has been bugging me for a while. Many years ago the color of the rendering
images was changed. Ever since, I have had trouble telling the difference between
some color images. I know others complained about it also. Because of this,
I make mistakes when pulling the right color parts.
I have no trouble telling the difference between any colors of real bricks or
any of the photo images. It is only the part renderings. Maybe if enough people
can't tell either, we can get it changed to something that is easier to see.
So, who can tell the difference between these two images? One is white and one
is LBG. They are screen shots of rendered parts without any editing. What say
you?
Donna
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Yep! I have shipped, or almost shipped, the wrong color on more than one occasion.
Tan and Dark Tan renders are also terrible and nigh indistinguishable at times.
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| | | | | | | Author: | TBS | | Posted: | Feb 19, 2021 09:39 | | Subject: | Re: White or LBG....can you see it? | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, chetzler writes:
| | In Colors, dcarmine writes:
| | So, who can tell the difference between these two images? One is white and one
is LBG. They are screen shots of rendered parts without any editing. What say
you?
Donna
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Yep! I have shipped, or almost shipped, the wrong color on more than one occasion.
Tan and Dark Tan renders are also terrible and nigh indistinguishable at times.
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As similar things happened to me as well in the past, i started to dig into the
settings here.
You can choose to show a color box and the color name directly, in your order
settings.
Then the small Image is shown, next to it the color box, and then the real color
name.
Learn or adjust to pack only by the colorname and box, this way you eradicate
most picking errors. Never pack from the shown pictures, as they are wrong some
times.
Unlearn what you have learned. * *
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| | | | | Author: | dcarmine | | Posted: | Feb 19, 2021 00:39 | | Subject: | Re: White or LBG....can you see it? | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| Thank you all for your input, good to see I am not alone.
The brick is LBG and the slope white.
Having the old renders would be an improvement. The images that RecycledBrick
showed seem great.
Again, Thanks for participating.
Donna
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