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| | | Author: | Give.Me.A.Brick  | | Posted: | Jan 26, 2021 10:24 | | Subject: | Part 52494 | | Viewed: | 90 times | | Topic: | Catalog | | Status: | Open | |
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| Would you search for this little fellow on Plate Round category?
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| | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Jan 26, 2021 13:33 | | Subject: | Re: Part 52494 | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
| | Would you search for this little fellow on Plate Round category?
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Nope! But at least it's got Binoculars in the name for searching. It's
actually used in more minifigs than anything else so far. 
Plate, Round. Minifig, Utensil. Minifigure, Body Part. Not an easy placement...
Jen
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| | | | | | | Author: | DeLuca | | Posted: | Jan 26, 2021 14:02 | | Subject: | Re: Part 52494 | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
| | In Catalog, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
| | Would you search for this little fellow on Plate Round category?
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Nope! But at least it's got Binoculars in the name for searching. It's
actually used in more minifigs than anything else so far.
Plate, Round. Minifig, Utensil. Minifigure, Body Part. Not an easy placement...
Jen
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I think that "Minifigure, Body Part" would probably be the best category, since
the other droid parts are categorised as such.
"Plate, Round" is a weird category overall, though, and it needs to be reworked
- For example:
Since a "Plate" seems to be primarily characterised by the presence of
a stud/studs on top, with optional antistuds on the bottom, the lack of a top
stud on Part (53119) and Part (15470) should disqualify them from being in "Plate,
Round". These pieces would also fit better in the "Food & Drink" category, where
Part (6254) is.
Additionally, if Part (73832) is a "Plate, Round", then Part (66789) and Part
(66790) should be as well (Or Part (73832) should be moved to "Plate, Modified").
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Jan 26, 2021 15:40 | | Subject: | Re: Part 52494 | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1240256
In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
| | In Catalog, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
| | Would you search for this little fellow on Plate Round category?
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Nope! But at least it's got Binoculars in the name for searching. It's
actually used in more minifigs than anything else so far.
Plate, Round. Minifig, Utensil. Minifigure, Body Part. Not an easy placement...
Jen
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I think that "Minifigure, Body Part" would probably be the best category, since
the other droid parts are categorised as such.
"Plate, Round" is a weird category overall, though, and it needs to be reworked
- For example:
Since a "Plate" seems to be primarily characterised by the presence of
a stud/studs on top, with optional antistuds on the bottom, the lack of a top
stud on Part (53119) and Part (15470) should disqualify them from being in "Plate,
Round". These pieces would also fit better in the "Food & Drink" category, where
Part (6254) is.
Additionally, if Part (73832) is a "Plate, Round", then Part (66789) and Part
(66790) should be as well (Or Part (73832) should be moved to "Plate, Modified").
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | DeLuca | | Posted: | Jan 26, 2021 15:56 | | Subject: | Re: Part 52494 | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
| | In Catalog, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
| | Would you search for this little fellow on Plate Round category?
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Nope! But at least it's got Binoculars in the name for searching. It's
actually used in more minifigs than anything else so far.
Plate, Round. Minifig, Utensil. Minifigure, Body Part. Not an easy placement...
Jen
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I think that "Minifigure, Body Part" would probably be the best category, since
the other droid parts are categorised as such.
"Plate, Round" is a weird category overall, though, and it needs to be reworked
- For example:
Since a "Plate" seems to be primarily characterised by the presence of
a stud/studs on top, with optional antistuds on the bottom, the lack of a top
stud on Part (53119) and Part (15470) should disqualify them from being in "Plate,
Round". These pieces would also fit better in the "Food & Drink" category, where
Part (6254) is.
Additionally, if Part (73832) is a "Plate, Round", then Part (66789) and Part
(66790) should be as well (Or Part (73832) should be moved to "Plate, Modified").
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https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1240256
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I missed that - Thank you! 👍
I will start compiling a list of items (such as these) for review next month.
BTW, will any items be renamed, or just recategorised?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Jan 26, 2021 16:04 | | Subject: | Re: Part 52494 | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | BTW, will any items be renamed, or just recategorised?
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If they get recategorized, they will most likely be renamed.
You can view the list for the next proposed part moves that has already been
started to see how things would change:
https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=2487
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | DeLuca | | Posted: | Jan 26, 2021 17:01 | | Subject: | Re: Part 52494 | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | BTW, will any items be renamed, or just recategorised?
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If they get recategorized, they will most likely be renamed.
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I was asking if I could also suggest some new names (separate from the necessary
category-related changes), such as for Part (6254) - It has been used for popcorn,
smoke, snowballs, etc, as well as for ice cream. A better name would be something
descriptive, with "Ice Cream" and "Popcorn" as parenthetical 'tags'.
Why is Part (18654) being moved to "Technic, Liftarm"? As a shortened version
of Part (62462)/Part (75535), I feel that it fits better where it currently is.
| | Wedge was retitled to Brick, Wedge.
Wedge, Decorated was retitled to Brick, Wedge, Decorated.
Wedge, Plate was retitled to Plate, Wedge.
Wedge, Plate, Decorated was retitled to Plate, Wedge, Decorated.
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THANK YOU!! Having an independent "Wedge" category when the parts
therein were just modified bricks, slopes, or plates made no sense (and
the separation was particularly annoying when working in Stud.io)! I would,
however, suggest "Slope, Wedge" and "Slope, Curved, Wedge" categories for parts
such as Part (43710), Part (64225), etc.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Jan 26, 2021 17:25 | | Subject: | Re: Part 52494 | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | BTW, will any items be renamed, or just recategorised?
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If they get recategorized, they will most likely be renamed.
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I was asking if I could also suggest some new names (separate from the necessary
category-related changes), such as for Part (6254) - It has been used for popcorn,
smoke, snowballs, etc, as well as for ice cream. A better name would be something
descriptive, with "Ice Cream" and "Popcorn" as parenthetical 'tags'.
Why is Part (18654) being moved to "Technic, Liftarm"? As a shortened version
of Part (62462)/Part (75535), I feel that it fits better where it currently is.
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If it only fits one pin how can it be a connector?
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| | Wedge was retitled to Brick, Wedge.
Wedge, Decorated was retitled to Brick, Wedge, Decorated.
Wedge, Plate was retitled to Plate, Wedge.
Wedge, Plate, Decorated was retitled to Plate, Wedge, Decorated.
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THANK YOU!! Having an independent "Wedge" category when the parts
therein were just modified bricks, slopes, or plates made no sense (and
the separation was particularly annoying when working in Stud.io)! I would,
however, suggest "Slope, Wedge" and "Slope, Curved, Wedge" categories for parts
such as Part (43710), Part (64225), etc.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | DeLuca | | Posted: | Jan 26, 2021 17:40 | | Subject: | Re: Part 52494 | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Stellar writes:
| | In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | In Catalog, randyf writes:
Why is Part (18654) being moved to "Technic, Liftarm"? As a shortened version
of Part (62462)/Part (75535), I feel that it fits better where it currently is.
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If it only fits one pin how can it be a connector?
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Fair point, but by the same logic, it also cannot be a liftarm. Perhaps it belongs
in the "Technic" category - That is where Part (3713) is located.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Jan 26, 2021 18:10 | | Subject: | Re: Part 52494 | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | In Catalog, Stellar writes:
| | In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | In Catalog, randyf writes:
Why is Part (18654) being moved to "Technic, Liftarm"? As a shortened version
of Part (62462)/Part (75535), I feel that it fits better where it currently is.
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If it only fits one pin how can it be a connector?
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Fair point, but by the same logic, it also cannot be a liftarm. Perhaps it belongs
in the "Technic" category - That is where Part (3713) is located.
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Also, Bricklink is the only Lego website calling Beams liftarms...
Technic, Beam 1 x 1 Bush / Spacer?
I think there is will to clean the technic default category as much as possible.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | DeLuca | | Posted: | Jan 26, 2021 18:20 | | Subject: | Re: Part 52494 | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Stellar writes:
| | In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | In Catalog, Stellar writes:
| | In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | In Catalog, randyf writes:
Why is Part (18654) being moved to "Technic, Liftarm"? As a shortened version
of Part (62462)/Part (75535), I feel that it fits better where it currently is.
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If it only fits one pin how can it be a connector?
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Fair point, but by the same logic, it also cannot be a liftarm. Perhaps it belongs
in the "Technic" category - That is where Part (3713) is located.
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Also, Bricklink is the only Lego website calling Beams liftarms...
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"Liftarm" is a broader category, but "Beam" is better and more intuitive. The
only loss in changing it, is that there would now be "Beams" that look more like
levers or liftarms than actual beams. Thus, if we change "Liftarm" to "Beam",
then we would also need to create a "Beam, Modified" subcategory for parts like
Part (85940), Part (32140), and Part (33299). I would be fine with this, BTW.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Give.Me.A.Brick | | Posted: | Jan 26, 2021 18:56 | | Subject: | Re: Part 52494 | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | In Catalog, Stellar writes:
| | In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | In Catalog, Stellar writes:
| | In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | In Catalog, randyf writes:
Why is Part (18654) being moved to "Technic, Liftarm"? As a shortened version
of Part (62462)/Part (75535), I feel that it fits better where it currently is.
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If it only fits one pin how can it be a connector?
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Fair point, but by the same logic, it also cannot be a liftarm. Perhaps it belongs
in the "Technic" category - That is where Part (3713) is located.
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Also, Bricklink is the only Lego website calling Beams liftarms...
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"Liftarm" is a broader category, but "Beam" is better and more intuitive. The
only loss in changing it, is that there would now be "Beams" that look more like
levers or liftarms than actual beams. Thus, if we change "Liftarm" to "Beam",
then we would also need to create a "Beam, Modified" subcategory for parts like
Part (85940), Part (32140), and Part (33299). I would be fine with this, BTW.
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Good points, I'm with you guys: "Liftarm" should be "Beam" instead, and then
the creation of Beam, "Modified" as you suggest.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Jan 26, 2021 18:04 | | Subject: | Re: Part 52494 | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
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Why is Part (18654) being moved to "Technic, Liftarm"? As a shortened version
of Part (62462)/Part (75535), I feel that it fits better where it currently is.
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Finally! This part is being moved to its proper place as a liftarm. I've
tried a couple times to move it and it was never agreed upon at the time. It
is not a connector as it only works with one pin. LEGO calls it a liftarm too.
Jen
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | DeLuca | | Posted: | Jan 26, 2021 18:11 | | Subject: | Re: Part 52494 | | Viewed: | 20 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
| | In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
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Why is Part (18654) being moved to "Technic, Liftarm"? As a shortened version
of Part (62462)/Part (75535), I feel that it fits better where it currently is.
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Finally! This part is being moved to its proper place as a liftarm. . . LEGO calls it a liftarm too.
Jen
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I am genuinely curious: Why do you think that this piece should be classified
as a liftarm? Unlike the other parts in the category, it cannot act as
a liftarm, and LEGO's official classifications are not always the best for
the purposes of the BL Catalog.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Jan 26, 2021 18:37 | | Subject: | Re: Part 52494 | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
| | In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
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Why is Part (18654) being moved to "Technic, Liftarm"? As a shortened version
of Part (62462)/Part (75535), I feel that it fits better where it currently is.
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Finally! This part is being moved to its proper place as a liftarm. . . LEGO calls it a liftarm too.
Jen
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I am genuinely curious: Why do you think that this piece should be classified
as a liftarm? Unlike the other parts in the category, it cannot act as
a liftarm, and LEGO's official classifications are not always the best for
the purposes of the BL Catalog.
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I call it a liftarm because the mold is precisely a 1L liftarm. How it behaves
is also relevant, but it acts as a bushing of sorts and can't connect anything.
So, why not call it what it is?
Jen
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | DeLuca | | Posted: | Jan 26, 2021 18:46 | | Subject: | Re: Part 52494 | | Viewed: | 24 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
| | In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
| | In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
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Why is Part (18654) being moved to "Technic, Liftarm"? As a shortened version
of Part (62462)/Part (75535), I feel that it fits better where it currently is.
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Finally! This part is being moved to its proper place as a liftarm. . . LEGO calls it a liftarm too.
Jen
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I am genuinely curious: Why do you think that this piece should be classified
as a liftarm? Unlike the other parts in the category, it cannot act as
a liftarm, and LEGO's official classifications are not always the best for
the purposes of the BL Catalog.
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I call it a liftarm because the mold is precisely a 1L liftarm. How it behaves
is also relevant, but it acts as a bushing of sorts and can't connect anything.
So, why not call it what it is?
Jen
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Fair, Re: mould. If we changed the category name from "Liftarm" to "Beam", I
would have no problem with it being there (I can see it as a 1L Beam).
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Jan 26, 2021 18:51 | | Subject: | Re: Part 52494 | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
| | In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
| | In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
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Why is Part (18654) being moved to "Technic, Liftarm"? As a shortened version
of Part (62462)/Part (75535), I feel that it fits better where it currently is.
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Finally! This part is being moved to its proper place as a liftarm. . . LEGO calls it a liftarm too.
Jen
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I am genuinely curious: Why do you think that this piece should be classified
as a liftarm? Unlike the other parts in the category, it cannot act as
a liftarm, and LEGO's official classifications are not always the best for
the purposes of the BL Catalog.
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I call it a liftarm because the mold is precisely a 1L liftarm. How it behaves
is also relevant, but it acts as a bushing of sorts and can't connect anything.
So, why not call it what it is?
Jen
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Fair, Re: mould. If we changed the category name from "Liftarm" to "Beam", I
would have no problem with it being there (I can see it as a 1L Beam).
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Yeah, I'm not really a LEGO purist...I started on BrickLink, so all the LEGO
names and colors names just sound weird to me. Changing our name for the category
won't affect its use, so why go against all our historical memory??
I realize that people who started on LEGO think BL names are strange too, so
I understand where you are coming from.
Jen
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Jan 26, 2021 18:38 | | Subject: | Re: Part 52494 | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| | I was asking if I could also suggest some new names (separate from the necessary
category-related changes)
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Of course you can suggest new names. It doesn't mean that they will be used,
though. 
| | Why is Part (18654) being moved to "Technic, Liftarm"?
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Suggested move.
Reasons:
(1) It cannot connect anything, so it is not a connector.
(2) LEGO classifies it as a beam with length 1L, and we want to standardize this
part with them.
| | | | Wedge was retitled to Brick, Wedge.
Wedge, Decorated was retitled to Brick, Wedge, Decorated.
Wedge, Plate was retitled to Plate, Wedge.
Wedge, Plate, Decorated was retitled to Plate, Wedge, Decorated.
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Please remember that these are only suggestions right now. None of this is set
in stone. The two months of February and March will be used to make suggestions,
debate suggestions, etc. Only after all the discussions have taken place will
a final list be officially documented and enacted on April 1.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | DeLuca | | Posted: | Jan 26, 2021 18:53 | | Subject: | Re: Part 52494 | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | I was asking if I could also suggest some new names (separate from the necessary category-related changes)
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Of course you can suggest new names. It doesn't mean that they will be used, though.
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I know that - I just wanted know if new names were even being considered
during this period.
| | | | | | Wedge was retitled to Brick, Wedge.
Wedge, Decorated was retitled to Brick, Wedge, Decorated.
Wedge, Plate was retitled to Plate, Wedge.
Wedge, Plate, Decorated was retitled to Plate, Wedge, Decorated.
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Please remember that these are only suggestions right now. None of this is set in stone. The two months of February and March will be used to make suggestions, debate suggestions, etc. Only after all the discussions have taken place will a final list be officially documented and enacted on April 1.
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I understand, but I think that this is the right move, and that there will be
little disagreement regarding it. My only addition would be (as I mentioned in
another post) to add "Slope, Wedge" and "Slope, Curved, Wedge" subcategories
as well.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Jan 27, 2021 05:04 | | Subject: | Re: Part 52494 | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | I was asking if I could also suggest some new names (separate from the necessary category-related changes)
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Of course you can suggest new names. It doesn't mean that they will be used, though.
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I know that - I just wanted know if new names were even being considered
during this period.
| | | | | | Wedge was retitled to Brick, Wedge.
Wedge, Decorated was retitled to Brick, Wedge, Decorated.
Wedge, Plate was retitled to Plate, Wedge.
Wedge, Plate, Decorated was retitled to Plate, Wedge, Decorated.
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Please remember that these are only suggestions right now. None of this is set in stone. The two months of February and March will be used to make suggestions, debate suggestions, etc. Only after all the discussions have taken place will a final list be officially documented and enacted on April 1.
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I understand, but I think that this is the right move, and that there will be
little disagreement regarding it. My only addition would be (as I mentioned in
another post) to add "Slope, Wedge" and "Slope, Curved, Wedge" subcategories
as well.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Give.Me.A.Brick | | Posted: | Jan 27, 2021 07:33 | | Subject: | Re: Part 52494 | | Viewed: | 69 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | In Catalog, randyf writes:
| | In Catalog, DeLuca writes:
| | I was asking if I could also suggest some new names (separate from the necessary category-related changes)
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Of course you can suggest new names. It doesn't mean that they will be used, though.
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I know that - I just wanted know if new names were even being considered
during this period.
| | | | | | Wedge was retitled to Brick, Wedge.
Wedge, Decorated was retitled to Brick, Wedge, Decorated.
Wedge, Plate was retitled to Plate, Wedge.
Wedge, Plate, Decorated was retitled to Plate, Wedge, Decorated.
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Please remember that these are only suggestions right now. None of this is set in stone. The two months of February and March will be used to make suggestions, debate suggestions, etc. Only after all the discussions have taken place will a final list be officially documented and enacted on April 1.
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I understand, but I think that this is the right move, and that there will be
little disagreement regarding it. My only addition would be (as I mentioned in
another post) to add "Slope, Wedge" and "Slope, Curved, Wedge" subcategories
as well.
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I agree with this.
Brick, Wedge:
including
and maybe the Facets
Plate, Wedge:
Slope, Wedge:
Slope, Curved, Wedge:
Eventually:
Slope, Inverted, Wedge:
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Parts: Wedge
Marked for Deletion |
Slope, Curved, Inverted, Wedge:
(Creating the new category "Slope, Curved, Inverted" in the process.)
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| | | | | | | Author: | Give.Me.A.Brick | | Posted: | Jan 26, 2021 19:00 | | Subject: | Re: Part 52494 | | Viewed: | 30 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
| | In Catalog, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
| | Would you search for this little fellow on Plate Round category?
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Nope! But at least it's got Binoculars in the name for searching. It's
actually used in more minifigs than anything else so far.
Plate, Round. Minifig, Utensil. Minifigure, Body Part. Not an easy placement...
Jen
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I would go with "Minifig, Utensil" because of the imediate resemblance with the
Binoculars in that category.
But I can see some people preferring "Minifigure, Body Part"
"Plate, Round" just doesn't make it for me
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | DeLuca | | Posted: | Jan 26, 2021 19:20 | | Subject: | Re: Part 52494 | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Catalog | |
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| In Catalog, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
| | In Catalog, jennnifer writes:
| | In Catalog, Give.Me.A.Brick writes:
| | Would you search for this little fellow on Plate Round category?
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Nope! But at least it's got Binoculars in the name for searching. It's actually used in more minifigs than anything else so far.
Plate, Round. Minifig, Utensil. Minifigure, Body Part. Not an easy placement...
Jen
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I would go with "Minifig, Utensil" because of the imediate resemblance with the Binoculars in that category.
But I can see some people preferring "Minifigure, Body Part"
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It does, but it is mainly used for robots (as Jen mentioned), so putting it into
the "Minifigure, Body Part" category with the other droid parts makes the most
sense to me.
| | "Plate, Round" just doesn't make it for me
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Agreed. 👍
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