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| | | Author: | misbi  | | Posted: | Jul 10, 2020 09:13 | | Subject: | Dark Green - who's going to crack first? | | Viewed: | 341 times | | Topic: | Colors | | Status: | Open | |
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| Now that TLG has acquired BL, isn't it about time that we set about resolving
conflicting colour names? The flesh/nougat adjustment shows that it's possible,
so when are we going to rename BL Dark Green to Earth Green?
Obviously there are many others which need aligned over time, but currently Dark
Green should be an immediate priority.
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| | | | | Author: | tons_of_bricks | | Posted: | Jul 10, 2020 09:25 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green - who's going to crack first? | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, misbi writes:
| | Now that TLG has acquired BL, isn't it about time that we set about resolving
conflicting colour names? The flesh/nougat adjustment shows that it's possible,
so when are we going to rename BL Dark Green to Earth Green?
Obviously there are many others which need aligned over time, but currently Dark
Green should be an immediate priority.
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No... Lego has lousy names for some of the colors. For example: New Dark Red
and Brick Yellow (tan). If anything, Lego should adopt the BL color system.
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| | | | | | | Author: | iprice | | Posted: | Jul 10, 2020 11:05 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green - who's going to crack first? | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, firestar246 writes:
| | In Colors, misbi writes:
| | Now that TLG has acquired BL, isn't it about time that we set about resolving
conflicting colour names? The flesh/nougat adjustment shows that it's possible,
so when are we going to rename BL Dark Green to Earth Green?
Obviously there are many others which need aligned over time, but currently Dark
Green should be an immediate priority.
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No... Lego has lousy names for some of the colors. For example: New Dark Red
and Brick Yellow (tan). If anything, Lego should adopt the BL color system.
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I agree. The BL system definitely makes more sense to me, for the most part.
I do however agree with the change from "flesh" to nougat.
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| | | | | | | Author: | misbi | | Posted: | Jul 10, 2020 11:16 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green - who's going to crack first? | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, firestar246 writes:
| | If anything, Lego should adopt the BL color system.
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Would that not be a case of 'the tail wagging the dog'?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | tons_of_bricks | | Posted: | Jul 10, 2020 12:30 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green - who's going to crack first? | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, misbi writes:
| | In Colors, firestar246 writes:
| | If anything, Lego should adopt the BL color system.
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Would that not be a case of 'the tail wagging the dog'?
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That's a new expression to me (leaves a funny image in my mind  )
But when the tail can name stuff better than the dog, then why not?
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That's a new expression to me (leaves a funny image in my mind )
But when the tail can name stuff better than the dog, then why not?
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Guess you didn’t watch the movie "Wag the Dog”?
Please, please don’t convert to Lego color names.
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| | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jul 10, 2020 09:35 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green - who's going to crack first? | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, misbi writes:
| | Now that TLG has acquired BL, isn't it about time that we set about resolving
conflicting colour names? The flesh/nougat adjustment shows that it's possible,
so when are we going to rename BL Dark Green to Earth Green?
Obviously there are many others which need aligned over time, but currently Dark
Green should be an immediate priority.
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I'd keep it as it is. The flesh -- nougat at least had a reason, even
if not everyone agreed with the reason.
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| | | | | | | Author: | qwertyboy | | Posted: | Jul 10, 2020 10:17 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green - who's going to crack first? | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, yorbrick writes:
| | In Colors, misbi writes:
| | Now that TLG has acquired BL, isn't it about time that we set about resolving
conflicting colour names? The flesh/nougat adjustment shows that it's possible,
so when are we going to rename BL Dark Green to Earth Green?
Obviously there are many others which need aligned over time, but currently Dark
Green should be an immediate priority.
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I'd keep it as it is. The flesh -- nougat at least had a reason, even
if not everyone agreed with the reason.
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This. Also, what is "earth green" supposed to be? At least, "dark green" is very
obvious - I don't think any non-afol would have an issue identifying which
is the dark green brick in a line-up of colored bricks.
Niek.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | misbi | | Posted: | Jul 10, 2020 10:42 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | misbi | | Posted: | Jul 10, 2020 10:51 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green - who's going to crack first? | | Viewed: | 51 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Colors, yorbrick writes:
| | In Colors, misbi writes:
| | Now that TLG has acquired BL, isn't it about time that we set about resolving
conflicting colour names? The flesh/nougat adjustment shows that it's possible,
so when are we going to rename BL Dark Green to Earth Green?
Obviously there are many others which need aligned over time, but currently Dark
Green should be an immediate priority.
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I'd keep it as it is. The flesh -- nougat at least had a reason, even
if not everyone agreed with the reason.
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This. Also, what is "earth green" supposed to be? At least, "dark green" is very
obvious - I don't think any non-afol would have an issue identifying which
is the dark green brick in a line-up of colored bricks.
Niek.
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Earth Green is something that's not identical to TLG's name for 'standard'
Green. Non-afols coming here after shopping at LEGO's website will be accustomed
to TLG's colour names. Also, Earth Green is no worse than Sand Green!
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Miro78 | | Posted: | Jul 10, 2020 11:29 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green - who's going to crack first? | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, misbi writes:
| | In Colors, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Colors, yorbrick writes:
| | In Colors, misbi writes:
| | Now that TLG has acquired BL, isn't it about time that we set about resolving
conflicting colour names? The flesh/nougat adjustment shows that it's possible,
so when are we going to rename BL Dark Green to Earth Green?
Obviously there are many others which need aligned over time, but currently Dark
Green should be an immediate priority.
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I'd keep it as it is. The flesh -- nougat at least had a reason, even
if not everyone agreed with the reason.
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This. Also, what is "earth green" supposed to be? At least, "dark green" is very
obvious - I don't think any non-afol would have an issue identifying which
is the dark green brick in a line-up of colored bricks.
Niek.
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Earth Green is something that's not identical to TLG's name for 'standard'
Green. Non-afols coming here after shopping at LEGO's website will be accustomed
to TLG's colour names. Also, Earth Green is no worse than Sand Green!
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Take a look at the list here with the names
http://ryanhowerter.net/colors.php
Lego's colors for all the pinks are just crazy
dark pink (BL 47) is bright purple (Lego 221)
bright pink (BL 104) is light purple (Lego 222)
magenta (BL 71) is bright reddish violet (Lego 124)
Danish language has no word for pink, so all pinks are purples, which makes
it very confusing
blue (BL 7) is bright blue (Lego 23)
medium blue (BL 42) is medium blue (Lego 102)
*bright blue sounds lighter in color than medium blue
dark turquoise (BL 39) is bright bluish green (Lego 107)
Lego name is less obvious than BL name
You can compare the names for the rest, but the Lego names are very wordy often
times and quite confusing.
Miro
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | misbi | | Posted: | Jul 10, 2020 11:50 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green - who's going to crack first? | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, Miro78 writes:
| | In Colors, misbi writes:
| | In Colors, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Colors, yorbrick writes:
| | In Colors, misbi writes:
| | Now that TLG has acquired BL, isn't it about time that we set about resolving
conflicting colour names? The flesh/nougat adjustment shows that it's possible,
so when are we going to rename BL Dark Green to Earth Green?
Obviously there are many others which need aligned over time, but currently Dark
Green should be an immediate priority.
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I'd keep it as it is. The flesh -- nougat at least had a reason, even
if not everyone agreed with the reason.
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This. Also, what is "earth green" supposed to be? At least, "dark green" is very
obvious - I don't think any non-afol would have an issue identifying which
is the dark green brick in a line-up of colored bricks.
Niek.
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Earth Green is something that's not identical to TLG's name for 'standard'
Green. Non-afols coming here after shopping at LEGO's website will be accustomed
to TLG's colour names. Also, Earth Green is no worse than Sand Green!
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Take a look at the list here with the names
http://ryanhowerter.net/colors.php
Lego's colors for all the pinks are just crazy
dark pink (BL 47) is bright purple (Lego 221)
bright pink (BL 104) is light purple (Lego 222)
magenta (BL 71) is bright reddish violet (Lego 124)
Danish language has no word for pink, so all pinks are purples, which makes
it very confusing
blue (BL 7) is bright blue (Lego 23)
medium blue (BL 42) is medium blue (Lego 102)
*bright blue sounds lighter in color than medium blue
dark turquoise (BL 39) is bright bluish green (Lego 107)
Lego name is less obvious than BL name
You can compare the names for the rest, but the Lego names are very wordy often
times and quite confusing.
Miro
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But I'm specifically talking about Dark Green.
We can't have one colour name referring to two different colours!
All the other colour observations are a distraction from this one single issue.
Either BL or TLG needs to change Dark Green to a different name.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | tEoS | | Posted: | Jul 10, 2020 12:01 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green - who's going to crack first? | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| It took me a bit to figure out what you were trying to propose, but now it makes
more sense.
BL Green = Lego Dark Green
Therefore the BL Dark Green identifier could lead to confusion as more traffic
comes from other sources, especially now that BL is an official Lego market.
| | But I'm specifically talking about Dark Green.
We can't have one colour name referring to two different colours!
All the other colour observations are a distraction from this one single issue.
Either BL or TLG needs to change Dark Green to a different name.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | misbi | | Posted: | Jul 10, 2020 12:12 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green - who's going to crack first? | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, tEoS writes:
| | It took me a bit to figure out what you were trying to propose, but now it makes
more sense.
BL Green = Lego Dark Green
Therefore the BL Dark Green identifier could lead to confusion as more traffic
comes from other sources, especially now that BL is an official Lego market.
| | But I'm specifically talking about Dark Green.
We can't have one colour name referring to two different colours!
All the other colour observations are a distraction from this one single issue.
Either BL or TLG needs to change Dark Green to a different name.
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Exactly. What you said.
Been doing too many cryptic crosswords during lockdown 😜
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | superchicken77 | | Posted: | Jul 10, 2020 13:39 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green - who's going to crack first? | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| If that's truly an issue, change BL Dark Green to Forest Green.
Then LEGO Dark Green is just regular Green on BL.
Unless there's a better suggestion than Forest Green.
In Colors, tEoS writes:
| | It took me a bit to figure out what you were trying to propose, but now it makes
more sense.
BL Green = Lego Dark Green
Therefore the BL Dark Green identifier could lead to confusion as more traffic
comes from other sources, especially now that BL is an official Lego market.
| | But I'm specifically talking about Dark Green.
We can't have one colour name referring to two different colours!
All the other colour observations are a distraction from this one single issue.
Either BL or TLG needs to change Dark Green to a different name.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | qwertyboy | | Posted: | Jul 10, 2020 13:54 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green - who's going to crack first? | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, superchicken77 writes:
| | If that's truly an issue, change BL Dark Green to Forest Green.
Then LEGO Dark Green is just regular Green on BL.
Unless there's a better suggestion than Forest Green.
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Some come to mind:
"Very dark green"
"Even darker green"
"Actually dark green"
"Yes, this is dark green"
"Gazorpazorp"
Happy Friday everyone! I will raise a beer to all hard-working BL-ers (sellers
and buyers) tonight.
Niek.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Jul 10, 2020 12:37 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green - who's going to crack first? | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, misbi writes:
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But I'm specifically talking about Dark Green.
We can't have one colour name referring to two different colours!
All the other colour observations are a distraction from this one single issue.
Either BL or TLG needs to change Dark Green to a different name.
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I've never had a single complaint from someone who bought Green or Dark Green
bricks and then complained they weren't the color they were expecting. I
think this is a solution in need of a problem.
I also don't think of LEGO and BrickLink as 'We'. BrickLink is being
run as an independent platform last time I checked and fingers crossed it stays
that way.
Jen
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | axaday | | Posted: | Jul 10, 2020 13:09 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green - who's going to crack first? | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| It is not too late for the Danes to get a word for pink. I think it should become
a priority.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | 1974 | | Posted: | Jul 10, 2020 14:11 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green - who's going to crack first? | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, Miro78 writes:
| | Danish language has no word for pink, so all pinks are purples, which makes
it very confusing
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Yes we do, it's called "lyserød" (light red), but we now use the word "pink"
like everybody else
Also "purple" is "lilla" in danish, we do not use the word "purple" at all
Cheers
Ole
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | Jul 10, 2020 16:07 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green - who's going to crack first? | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, 1974 writes:
| | In Colors, Miro78 writes:
| | Danish language has no word for pink, so all pinks are purples, which makes
it very confusing
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Yes we do, it's called "lyserød" (light red), but we now use the word "pink"
like everybody else
Also "purple" is "lilla" in danish, we do not use the word "purple" at all
Cheers
Ole
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The Dutch do not use pink. We use "rose" (which is NOT a flower). The "pink"
is Dutch for your little finger. I do not want to suggest any color for that
finger, we should not repeat any flesh/nougat discussions 
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Jul 10, 2020 16:25 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green - who's going to crack first? | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, WoutR writes:
| | In Colors, 1974 writes:
| | In Colors, Miro78 writes:
| | Danish language has no word for pink, so all pinks are purples, which makes
it very confusing
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Yes we do, it's called "lyserød" (light red), but we now use the word "pink"
like everybody else
Also "purple" is "lilla" in danish, we do not use the word "purple" at all
Cheers
Ole
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The Dutch do not use pink. We use "rose" (which is NOT a flower).
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Yeah but, what's in a name? That which we call a rose, by any other name
would still... be pink? In Dutch anyway Sorry about that, Shakespeare.
| | The "pink" is Dutch for your little finger.
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Hey, that's interesting. That finger has the nickname; pinky, here in the
states.
| | I do not want to suggest any color for that finger, we should not repeat any flesh/nougat discussions
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | Jul 10, 2020 16:28 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green - who's going to crack first? | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, popsicle writes:
| | In Colors, WoutR writes:
| | In Colors, 1974 writes:
| | In Colors, Miro78 writes:
| | Danish language has no word for pink, so all pinks are purples, which makes
it very confusing
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Yes we do, it's called "lyserød" (light red), but we now use the word "pink"
like everybody else
Also "purple" is "lilla" in danish, we do not use the word "purple" at all
Cheers
Ole
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The Dutch do not use pink. We use "rose" (which is NOT a flower).
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Yeah but, what's in a name? That which we call a rose, by any other name
would still... be pink? In Dutch anyway Sorry about that, Shakespeare.
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I would get suspicious if my LEGO starts smelling sweet though....
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Hey, that's interesting. That finger has the nickname; pinky, here in the
states.
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Probably some Dutch immigrants (or their decendants) introduced that.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Jul 10, 2020 17:04 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green - who's going to crack first? | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, WoutR writes:
| | In Colors, popsicle writes:
| | In Colors, WoutR writes:
| | In Colors, 1974 writes:
| | In Colors, Miro78 writes:
| | Danish language has no word for pink, so all pinks are purples, which makes
it very confusing
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Yes we do, it's called "lyserød" (light red), but we now use the word "pink"
like everybody else
Also "purple" is "lilla" in danish, we do not use the word "purple" at all
Cheers
Ole
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The Dutch do not use pink. We use "rose" (which is NOT a flower).
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Yeah but, what's in a name? That which we call a rose, by any other name
would still... be pink? In Dutch anyway Sorry about that, Shakespeare.
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I would get suspicious if my LEGO starts smelling sweet though....
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True.
Funny thing though, way way way back, I bought a pallet of 50% off
from our outlet store, that had the strongest semi-sweet smell emanating from
each and every box. So strong was the smell, that I felt compelled to off-load
them cheap to get them out of our garage.
I wrote it off as some anomalous chemical reaction with that particular mix of
ABS, that parts in those sets contained. To this day, I've never experienced
the same smell or figured out what the h_e_double toothpicks, was the cause 
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Hey, that's interesting. That finger has the nickname; pinky, here in the
states.
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Probably some Dutch immigrants (or their decendants) introduced that.
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No doubt.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Miro78 | | Posted: | Jul 11, 2020 10:57 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green - who's going to crack first? | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, WoutR writes:
| | In Colors, 1974 writes:
| | In Colors, Miro78 writes:
| | Danish language has no word for pink, so all pinks are purples, which makes
it very confusing
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Yes we do, it's called "lyserød" (light red), but we now use the word "pink"
like everybody else
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My apologies for mistake. I was going off on what I heard from someone say in
the past. Probably this rumor started because the meaning means light red, as
you say.
| | | | Also "purple" is "lilla" in danish, we do not use the word "purple" at all
Cheers
Ole
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The Dutch do not use pink. We use "rose" (which is NOT a flower). The "pink"
is Dutch for your little finger. I do not want to suggest any color for that
finger, we should not repeat any flesh/nougat discussions
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In my first native language (Slovak) the word for pink (ružová) also comes from
the flower rose (ruže), and it literally translates to rosy. Also the word for
green (zelená) is derived from the word for (zeleň) greenery as in plants and
word zelenina means vegetables.
Miro
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| In Colors, Miro78 writes:
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My apologies for mistake. I was going off on what I heard from someone say in
the past. Probably this rumor started because the meaning means light red, as
you say.
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In my first native language (Slovak) the word for pink (ružová) also comes from
the flower rose (ruže),
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Like for Latin (and thus French, Spanish…) or many Indo-European languages.
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Hmm, I think you’re saying that because Slovak has declentions so the adjective
has a different form than the name but pink and rosy, or rose-coloured, or rose
are strong synonyms in English. It’s just that “pink” is of Dutch/Germanic origin
while “rose” comes form French.
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green (zelená) is derived from the word for (zeleň) greenery as in plants and
word zelenina means vegetables.
Miro
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Saying “this word doesn’t exist in this language so they use this foreign word
instead” is often just a matter of perception as it’s not said for other words
that have also been borrowed, sometimes just but a bit earlier or because they
look less foreign.
And sometimes the borrowed word replaces an older word, like “lyserød” is replaced
by “pink” in Danish now or like “orange” replaced the Old English “ġeolurēad”
(yellow-red).
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| | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Jul 10, 2020 11:46 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green - who's going to crack first? | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, misbi writes:
| | Now that TLG has acquired BL, isn't it about time that we set about resolving
conflicting colour names? The flesh/nougat adjustment shows that it's possible,
so when are we going to rename BL Dark Green to Earth Green?
Obviously there are many others which need aligned over time, but currently Dark
Green should be an immediate priority.
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https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1175620
...then again, Niek, Miro and others have a point.
For me, it's a case of what I'd like to see, colliding with what I know
it should be. The fun vs. the practical
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| | | | | | | Author: | misbi | | Posted: | Jul 10, 2020 12:04 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green - who's going to crack first? | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, popsicle writes:
| | In Colors, misbi writes:
| | Now that TLG has acquired BL, isn't it about time that we set about resolving
conflicting colour names? The flesh/nougat adjustment shows that it's possible,
so when are we going to rename BL Dark Green to Earth Green?
Obviously there are many others which need aligned over time, but currently Dark
Green should be an immediate priority.
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https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1175620
...then again, Niek, Miro and others have a point.
For me, it's a case of what I'd like to see, colliding with what I know
it should be. The fun vs. the practical
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or perchance, a smidgeon of inertia 🤔
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | popsicle | | Posted: | Jul 10, 2020 12:26 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green - who's going to crack first? | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, misbi writes:
| | In Colors, popsicle writes:
| | In Colors, misbi writes:
| | Now that TLG has acquired BL, isn't it about time that we set about resolving
conflicting colour names? The flesh/nougat adjustment shows that it's possible,
so when are we going to rename BL Dark Green to Earth Green?
Obviously there are many others which need aligned over time, but currently Dark
Green should be an immediate priority.
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https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1175620
...then again, Niek, Miro and others have a point.
For me, it's a case of what I'd like to see, colliding with what I know
it should be. The fun vs. the practical
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or perchance, a smidgeon of inertia 🤔
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Very good. We all do battle with the principle in some form, or should anyway.
So, using the physics analogy: the external force would be us here in the forum?
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| | | | | Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Jul 10, 2020 12:30 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green - who's going to crack first? | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, misbi writes:
| | Now that TLG has acquired BL, isn't it about time that we set about resolving
conflicting colour names? The flesh/nougat adjustment shows that it's possible,
so when are we going to rename BL Dark Green to Earth Green?
Obviously there are many others which need aligned over time, but currently Dark
Green should be an immediate priority.
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Please, please, please NO. BrickLink color names are not perfect either, but
they make way more sense.
Jen
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| | | | | | | Author: | Adjour | | Posted: | Jul 10, 2020 14:28 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green - who's going to crack first? | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, jennnifer writes:
| | In Colors, misbi writes:
| | Now that TLG has acquired BL, isn't it about time that we set about resolving
conflicting colour names? The flesh/nougat adjustment shows that it's possible,
so when are we going to rename BL Dark Green to Earth Green?
Obviously there are many others which need aligned over time, but currently Dark
Green should be an immediate priority.
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Please, please, please NO. BrickLink color names are not perfect either, but
they make way more sense.
Jen
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I second this.
Plus, to be honest, I'm not interested in relearning new names. The nougat
thing is already wearing on me.
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| | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Jul 10, 2020 14:29 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green - who's going to crack first? | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, misbi writes:
| | isn't it about time that we set about resolving conflicting colour names?
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My preferred resolution would be to update our colour chart to show TLG names
as a comparison:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogColors.asp
It's literally as simple as adding a column to the chart, but it might take
some senior analysts and ***************************************
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to accomplish (witty and well-worded negativity edited out).
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| | | | | | | Author: | Stellar | | Posted: | Jul 10, 2020 15:02 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green - who's going to crack first? | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, StormChaser writes:
| | In Colors, misbi writes:
| | isn't it about time that we set about resolving conflicting colour names?
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My preferred resolution would be to update our colour chart to show TLG names
as a comparison:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogColors.asp
It's literally as simple as adding a column to the chart, but it might take
some senior analysts and ***************************************
************************************************************
************************************************************
************************************************************
************************************************************
************************************************************
to accomplish (witty and well-worded negativity edited out).
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So you want something like this that can be well done in no time?
The only difficult thing would be combined Lego colors to one BL color, but we
can put a / or just add an empty row below the one that matches for each extra.
Sergio
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | hpoort | | Posted: | Jul 11, 2020 03:45 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green - who's going to crack first? | | Viewed: | 32 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Colors, Stellar writes:
| | In Colors, StormChaser writes:
| | In Colors, misbi writes:
| | isn't it about time that we set about resolving conflicting colour names?
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My preferred resolution would be to update our colour chart to show TLG names
as a comparison:
https://www.bricklink.com/catalogColors.asp
It's literally as simple as adding a column to the chart, but it might take
some senior analysts and ***************************************
************************************************************
************************************************************
************************************************************
************************************************************
************************************************************
to accomplish (witty and well-worded negativity edited out).
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So you want something like this that can be well done in no time?
The only difficult thing would be combined Lego colors to one BL color, but we
can put a / or just add an empty row below the one that matches for each extra.
Sergio
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It is not that easy. There is not a 1 to 1 correspondence. And the dates for
sure do not line up with LEGO colors.
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Bricklink managed to include a fair list of the matching color names with Studio
(data/StudioColorDefinition.txt) in which those few name clashes posed no problem.
So why not here as well? In the worst case you'd leave blanks for the conflicting
colors.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Jul 11, 2020 04:09 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green - who's going to crack first? | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, hpoort writes:
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| | It is not that easy. There is not a 1 to 1 correspondence. And the dates for
sure do not line up with LEGO colors.
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Bricklink managed to include a fair list of the matching color names with Studio
(data/StudioColorDefinition.txt) in which those few name clashes posed no problem.
So why not here as well? In the worst case you'd leave blanks for the conflicting
colors.
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Besides, in the Colour Guide, we don’t need a 1:1 match, only a 1:n (1 BL colour
name, n LEGO colour names).
And if a LEGO colour corresponds to multiple BL colours (n:1 matches), then its
name will just appear several times in the page.
Just look at how this will be used:
1. I’ve a BL colour name, I want to know which LEGO colour(s) it corresponds
to: I find the BL colour (either search or by alphetical order) and I’ve the
list of the LEGO colours on the line for the BL colour.
No problem, everything in one place.
2. I’ve a LEGO colour name, I want to know which BL colour(s) it corresponds
to: I search for the LEGO name and may find it multiple times.
Little problem, I need to know that can happen, so just put a note about it.
As for the dates, first, it’s BL’s catalogue, it uses BL colour names, of course
all the stats on that page are about the BL colour names. If you want to be
sure(r) that no one might make the mistake, just add a simple note that some
BL colours correspond to multiple LEGO colours and vice-versa.
Then, the dates are not completely accurate anyway.
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| | | | | | | Author: | misbi | | Posted: | Jul 10, 2020 14:47 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green - who's going to crack first? | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Colors, misbi writes:
| | Now that TLG has acquired BL, isn't it about time that we set about resolving
conflicting colour names? The flesh/nougat adjustment shows that it's possible,
so when are we going to rename BL Dark Green to Earth Green?
Obviously there are many others which need aligned over time, but currently Dark
Green should be an immediate priority.
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The Flesh / Nougat change had nothing to do with trying to align with LEGO colors.
In general we try to align new colors or color name changes with official LEGO
color names, and that has been a policy for a long time. But even in the Flesh
/ Nougat change, we did not follow the LEGO name in every case.
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Fair enough, but uniquely with Dark Green, there is a direct clash/contradiction
between BL and LEGO.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Jul 10, 2020 15:00 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green - who's going to crack first? | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, misbi writes:
| | In Colors, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Colors, misbi writes:
| | Now that TLG has acquired BL, isn't it about time that we set about resolving
conflicting colour names? The flesh/nougat adjustment shows that it's possible,
so when are we going to rename BL Dark Green to Earth Green?
Obviously there are many others which need aligned over time, but currently Dark
Green should be an immediate priority.
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The Flesh / Nougat change had nothing to do with trying to align with LEGO colors.
In general we try to align new colors or color name changes with official LEGO
color names, and that has been a policy for a long time. But even in the Flesh
/ Nougat change, we did not follow the LEGO name in every case.
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Fair enough, but uniquely with Dark Green, there is a direct clash/contradiction
between BL and LEGO.
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The LEGO Group used to call it Green, btw.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | misbi | | Posted: | Jul 10, 2020 15:04 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green - who's going to crack first? | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Colors, misbi writes:
| | In Colors, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Colors, misbi writes:
| | Now that TLG has acquired BL, isn't it about time that we set about resolving
conflicting colour names? The flesh/nougat adjustment shows that it's possible,
so when are we going to rename BL Dark Green to Earth Green?
Obviously there are many others which need aligned over time, but currently Dark
Green should be an immediate priority.
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The Flesh / Nougat change had nothing to do with trying to align with LEGO colors.
In general we try to align new colors or color name changes with official LEGO
color names, and that has been a policy for a long time. But even in the Flesh
/ Nougat change, we did not follow the LEGO name in every case.
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Fair enough, but uniquely with Dark Green, there is a direct clash/contradiction
between BL and LEGO.
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The LEGO Group used to call it Green, btw.
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In that case, I think that's a good starting point for a campaign 😉
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Jul 10, 2020 15:48 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green - who's going to crack first? | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, Admin_Russell writes:
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The LEGO Group used to call it Green, btw.
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My guess is they changed Green to Dark Green because it was ambiguous (“Green?
Which Green?”).
And the “problem” stems from the fact that TLG calls the other primary colours
“Bright” (Red, Yellow, Blue, Orange…) while AFOL usage was to simply use the
colour¹, but for Green TLG called it Green and then made a lighter shade and
called this lighter shade Bright Green.
So, besides the fact Green is a bit too dark to be called Bright (or is it too
dumb?), they couldn’t rename it Bright Green.
If they had used Light Green instead of Bright Green, or renamed Green Medium
Green instead of Dark Green (though it might also be too dark (or not spiritual
enough?) to be a Medium), we wouldn’t have this clash.
(¹ We could say AFOLs “dropped” the “Bright” but that would imply they knew there
was a “Bright” to drop.)
And, by the way, it’s not the only clash: there’s also TLG Earth Orange / BL
Brown vs. TLG Light Orange Brown / BL Earth Orange.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Admin_Russell | | Posted: | Jul 10, 2020 16:40 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green - who's going to crack first? | | Viewed: | 80 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, SylvainLS writes:
| | In Colors, Admin_Russell writes:
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The LEGO Group used to call it Green, btw.
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My guess is they changed Green to Dark Green because it was ambiguous (“Green?
Which Green?”).
And the “problem” stems from the fact that TLG calls the other primary colours
“Bright” (Red, Yellow, Blue, Orange…) while AFOL usage was to simply use the
colour¹, but for Green TLG called it Green and then made a lighter shade and
called this lighter shade Bright Green.
So, besides the fact Green is a bit too dark to be called Bright (or is it too
dumb?), they couldn’t rename it Bright Green.
If they had used Light Green instead of Bright Green, or renamed Green Medium
Green instead of Dark Green (though it might also be too dark (or not spiritual
enough?) to be a Medium), we wouldn’t have this clash.
(¹ We could say AFOLs “dropped” the “Bright” but that would imply they knew there
was a “Bright” to drop.)
And, by the way, it’s not the only clash: there’s also TLG Earth Orange / BL
Brown vs. TLG Light Orange Brown / BL Earth Orange.
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I should say, also, that there is a quiz over in the 20 days of BrickLink celebration
that has 2 questions about color:
https://www.bricklink.com/v3/20years/main.page
Please don't discuss the questions in the Forum, though, since people have
a week to take the quiz.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Jul 10, 2020 15:21 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green - who's going to crack first? | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, misbi writes:
| | In Colors, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Colors, misbi writes:
| | Now that TLG has acquired BL, isn't it about time that we set about resolving
conflicting colour names? The flesh/nougat adjustment shows that it's possible,
so when are we going to rename BL Dark Green to Earth Green?
Obviously there are many others which need aligned over time, but currently Dark
Green should be an immediate priority.
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The Flesh / Nougat change had nothing to do with trying to align with LEGO colors.
In general we try to align new colors or color name changes with official LEGO
color names, and that has been a policy for a long time. But even in the Flesh
/ Nougat change, we did not follow the LEGO name in every case.
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Fair enough, but uniquely with Dark Green, there is a direct clash/contradiction
between BL and LEGO.
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Misbi, its been raised before and I'm with you all the way and whilst I would
prefer Lego to adopt BL names I would settle for any colour description so long
as that same description is widely used by 'Everyone!' including Lego
and Bricklink. Having different descriptions for colours depending on what site
your on or who you talk to only creates uneccessary confusion? I would rather
clear transparency between myself, my suppliers and my customers than being overly
concerned about the use of colour descriptions that are not to my personal choosing
or liking!
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | WoutR | | Posted: | Jul 10, 2020 16:21 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green - who's going to crack first? | | Viewed: | 35 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, misbi writes:
| | Fair enough, but uniquely with Dark Green, there is a direct clash/contradiction
between BL and LEGO.
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Dark Green is not the only color where this happens.
Rust
Aqua
Brown
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| | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Jul 11, 2020 05:10 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green - who's going to crack first? | | Viewed: | 34 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, Admin_Russell writes:
| | In Colors, misbi writes:
| | Now that TLG has acquired BL, isn't it about time that we set about resolving
conflicting colour names? The flesh/nougat adjustment shows that it's possible,
so when are we going to rename BL Dark Green to Earth Green?
Obviously there are many others which need aligned over time, but currently Dark
Green should be an immediate priority.
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The Flesh / Nougat change had nothing to do with trying to align with LEGO colors.
In general we try to align new colors or color name changes with official LEGO
color names, and that has been a policy for a long time. But even in the Flesh
/ Nougat change, we did not follow the LEGO name in every case.
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Hmmm that is not entirely correct, it has got to do with aligning with
LEGO colours. That has been explicitly mentioned.
The Bricklink term was "Medium Dark Flesh/Nougat", but it has been renamed "Medium
Flesh/Nougat", even though Bricklink's word "medium" usually means "lighter".
That bit of inconsistency was considered a reasonable cost for aligning the name
with LEGO's name. So matching LEGO's name has actually been the agenda
at least once.
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| | | | | Author: | crazylegoman | | Posted: | Jul 10, 2020 20:35 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, misbi writes:
| | Now that TLG has acquired BL, isn't it about time that we set about resolving
conflicting colour names? The flesh/nougat adjustment shows that it's possible,
so when are we going to rename BL Dark Green to Earth Green?
Obviously there are many others which need aligned over time, but currently Dark
Green should be an immediate priority.
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I can't see why this would be a priority at all. Dark Green is clearly a
better name than Earth Green. TLC has come up with some odd color names over
the years. I think it would be best for Bricklink to keep their color names.
David
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| | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Jul 11, 2020 04:26 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, crazylegoman writes:
| | In Colors, misbi writes:
| | Now that TLG has acquired BL, isn't it about time that we set about resolving
conflicting colour names? The flesh/nougat adjustment shows that it's possible,
so when are we going to rename BL Dark Green to Earth Green?
Obviously there are many others which need aligned over time, but currently Dark
Green should be an immediate priority.
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I can't see why this would be a priority at all. Dark Green is clearly a
better name than Earth Green. TLC has come up with some odd color names over
the years. I think it would be best for Bricklink to keep their color names.
David
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I think the change of ALL colour names should be a priority because however bizarre
Legos colour names may seem to us it is the manufacture who made those decisions
for their product and so it’s their name choices that should take precedence?
If an established and well-known paint brand names one of their colours ‘Bright
Yellowish Green’ distributors and retailers should follow that colour guide because
by re-labelling it as ‘Lime’ they only create confusion for their customers.
The customer knows the brand of paint they want and they know the colour that
the manufacture calls it and yet the customer is expected to somehow work it
out for themselves or if they’re lucky stumble across a third party colour guide?
The variations of the Lego product are confusing enough at the best times so
why create further confusion in areas that are easily fixed?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Jul 11, 2020 04:35 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, infinibrix writes:
| | I think the change of ALL colour names should be a priority because however bizarre
Legos colour names may seem to us it is the manufacture who made those decisions
for their product and so it’s their name choices that should take precedence?
If an established and well-known paint brand names one of their colours ‘Bright
Yellowish Green’ distributors and retailers should follow that colour guide because
by re-labelling it as ‘Lime’ they only create confusion for their customers.
The customer knows the brand of paint they want and they know the colour that
the manufacture calls it and yet the customer is expected to somehow work it
out for themselves or if they’re lucky stumble across a third party colour guide?
The variations of the Lego product are confusing enough at the best times so
why create further confusion in areas that are easily fixed?
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Once again, no thank you.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Jul 11, 2020 05:36 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, randyf writes:
| | In Colors, infinibrix writes:
| | I think the change of ALL colour names should be a priority because however bizarre
Legos colour names may seem to us it is the manufacture who made those decisions
for their product and so it’s their name choices that should take precedence?
If an established and well-known paint brand names one of their colours ‘Bright
Yellowish Green’ distributors and retailers should follow that colour guide because
by re-labelling it as ‘Lime’ they only create confusion for their customers.
The customer knows the brand of paint they want and they know the colour that
the manufacture calls it and yet the customer is expected to somehow work it
out for themselves or if they’re lucky stumble across a third party colour guide?
The variations of the Lego product are confusing enough at the best times so
why create further confusion in areas that are easily fixed?
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Once again, no thank you.
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But if it’s just a preference thing why stop there... Why not just ignore the
Lego part numbers too and use our own/old peeron codes? But wait we already do?
I’ve never understood why the biggest Lego market place ignore Legos colour system
and ignores Legos official part numbers. Granted you can search by the Lego references
but we are still presented with this 3626cpb0730 instead of this 6003296?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | hpoort | | Posted: | Jul 11, 2020 06:38 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, infinibrix writes:
| | | | In Colors, infinibrix writes:
| | I think the change of ALL colour names should be a priority because however bizarre
Legos colour names may seem to us it is the manufacture who made those decisions
for their product and so it’s their name choices that should take precedence?
If an established and well-known paint brand names one of their colours ‘Bright
Yellowish Green’ distributors and retailers should follow that colour guide because
by re-labelling it as ‘Lime’ they only create confusion for their customers.
The customer knows the brand of paint they want and they know the colour that
the manufacture calls it and yet the customer is expected to somehow work it
out for themselves or if they’re lucky stumble across a third party colour guide?
The variations of the Lego product are confusing enough at the best times so
why create further confusion in areas that are easily fixed?
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Once again, no thank you.
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But if it’s just a preference thing why stop there... Why not just ignore the
Lego part numbers too and use our own/old peeron codes? But wait we already do?
I’ve never understood why the biggest Lego market place ignore Legos colour system
and ignores Legos official part numbers. Granted you can search by the Lego references
but we are still presented with this 3626cpb0730 instead of this 6003296?
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You are presented with both on the catalog item page. Because for more than half
of the parts the official Design Id (BL: Part number) or Element Id (BL: PCC)
is not known, is not referring to the part (single part or combination) refers
to a technical difference (such as ABS versus PC or PE) that is not distinguished
on Bricklink and because there is relational information hidden inside the Bricklink
numbering system.
And for the color names: because Bricklink and the whole AFOL market had to choose
their own naming systems long before LEGO published their color names - which
are confusing at best.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Jul 11, 2020 08:33 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, hpoort writes:
| | In Colors, infinibrix writes:
| | | | In Colors, infinibrix writes:
| | I think the change of ALL colour names should be a priority because however bizarre
Legos colour names may seem to us it is the manufacture who made those decisions
for their product and so it’s their name choices that should take precedence?
If an established and well-known paint brand names one of their colours ‘Bright
Yellowish Green’ distributors and retailers should follow that colour guide because
by re-labelling it as ‘Lime’ they only create confusion for their customers.
The customer knows the brand of paint they want and they know the colour that
the manufacture calls it and yet the customer is expected to somehow work it
out for themselves or if they’re lucky stumble across a third party colour guide?
The variations of the Lego product are confusing enough at the best times so
why create further confusion in areas that are easily fixed?
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Once again, no thank you.
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But if it’s just a preference thing why stop there... Why not just ignore the
Lego part numbers too and use our own/old peeron codes? But wait we already do?
I’ve never understood why the biggest Lego market place ignore Legos colour system
and ignores Legos official part numbers. Granted you can search by the Lego references
but we are still presented with this 3626cpb0730 instead of this 6003296?
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You are presented with both on the catalog item page. Because for more than half
of the parts the official Design Id (BL: Part number) or Element Id (BL: PCC)
is not known, is not referring to the part (single part or combination) refers
to a technical difference (such as ABS versus PC or PE) that is not distinguished
on Bricklink and because there is relational information hidden inside the Bricklink
numbering system.
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I don't see 6003296 here:-
https://www.bricklink.com/v2/catalog/catalogitem.page?P=3626cpb0730#T=C&C=90
and I would argue that an official Lego part number should mean more to a larger
group of people compared to an unofficial reference like this 3626cpb0730 either
which way I think I'd rather see the official part numbers displayed in the
prominent spots and have those other references searchable but hidden from view
instead? If its all about having the ability to differenciate between different
variaitions of the same part why not just add a letter on the end 6003296b, 6003296c,
6003296d? The description will explain the differences and so does it really
require the part reference iteself to try to explain those differences?
| | And for the color names: because Bricklink and the whole AFOL market had to choose
their own naming systems long before LEGO published their color names - which
are confusing at best.
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I'm aware and appreciate that but as Lego have long since published their
colour names we should be making a better attempt to mirror what they use or
if we still strongly feel we cannot bring ourselves to use them we should use
the power and persuasion of the AFOL community to suggest to Lego to adopt Bricklinks
colour system instead?
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | misbi | | Posted: | Jul 11, 2020 08:59 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, infinibrix writes:
| | I think the change of ALL colour names should be a priority because however bizarre
Legos colour names may seem to us it is the manufacture who made those decisions
for their product and so it’s their name choices that should take precedence?
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Absolutely 👍
Give me brick yellow over dark tan any day of the week 🙃
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | crazylegoman | | Posted: | Jul 11, 2020 09:37 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, infinibrix writes:
| | In Colors, crazylegoman writes:
| | In Colors, misbi writes:
| | Now that TLG has acquired BL, isn't it about time that we set about resolving
conflicting colour names? The flesh/nougat adjustment shows that it's possible,
so when are we going to rename BL Dark Green to Earth Green?
Obviously there are many others which need aligned over time, but currently Dark
Green should be an immediate priority.
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I can't see why this would be a priority at all. Dark Green is clearly a
better name than Earth Green. TLC has come up with some odd color names over
the years. I think it would be best for Bricklink to keep their color names.
David
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I think the change of ALL colour names should be a priority because however bizarre
Legos colour names may seem to us it is the manufacture who made those decisions
for their product and so it’s their name choices that should take precedence?
If an established and well-known paint brand names one of their colours ‘Bright
Yellowish Green’ distributors and retailers should follow that colour guide because
by re-labelling it as ‘Lime’ they only create confusion for their customers.
The customer knows the brand of paint they want and they know the colour that
the manufacture calls it and yet the customer is expected to somehow work it
out for themselves or if they’re lucky stumble across a third party colour guide?
The variations of the Lego product are confusing enough at the best times so
why create further confusion in areas that are easily fixed?
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Bricklink has been around for 20 years. Bricklink being owned by LEGO is a recent
thing, so for a couple decades Bricklink customers have become used to the Bricklink
color names. Changing them because TLC bought Bricklink is not logical.
Furthermore, you compare color names for LEGO parts to color names for well-known
paint brands. You mention "The customer knows the brand of paint they want and
they know the colour that the manufacture calls it," however, that's not
the case with LEGO. Very few LEGO customers are going to know that TLC calls
regular green "Dark Green" and that they call dark green "Earth Green." Changing
names like that at this point would cause a lot of confusion.
David
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | infinibrix | | Posted: | Jul 11, 2020 11:10 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, crazylegoman writes:
| | In Colors, infinibrix writes:
| | In Colors, crazylegoman writes:
| | In Colors, misbi writes:
| | Now that TLG has acquired BL, isn't it about time that we set about resolving
conflicting colour names? The flesh/nougat adjustment shows that it's possible,
so when are we going to rename BL Dark Green to Earth Green?
Obviously there are many others which need aligned over time, but currently Dark
Green should be an immediate priority.
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I can't see why this would be a priority at all. Dark Green is clearly a
better name than Earth Green. TLC has come up with some odd color names over
the years. I think it would be best for Bricklink to keep their color names.
David
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I think the change of ALL colour names should be a priority because however bizarre
Legos colour names may seem to us it is the manufacture who made those decisions
for their product and so it’s their name choices that should take precedence?
If an established and well-known paint brand names one of their colours ‘Bright
Yellowish Green’ distributors and retailers should follow that colour guide because
by re-labelling it as ‘Lime’ they only create confusion for their customers.
The customer knows the brand of paint they want and they know the colour that
the manufacture calls it and yet the customer is expected to somehow work it
out for themselves or if they’re lucky stumble across a third party colour guide?
The variations of the Lego product are confusing enough at the best times so
why create further confusion in areas that are easily fixed?
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Bricklink has been around for 20 years. Bricklink being owned by LEGO is a recent
thing, so for a couple decades Bricklink customers have become used to the Bricklink
color names. Changing them because TLC bought Bricklink is not logical.
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You could say that Lego have been around longer still and yet naming them different
to what Lego(The actual Manufacture) call them is logical?
and I appreciate you may have been with BL from near the start but I would still
have to adapt to the offical Lego names the same as anyone else
| | Furthermore, you compare color names for LEGO parts to color names for well-known
paint brands. You mention "The customer knows the brand of paint they want and
they know the colour that the manufacture calls it," however, that's not
the case with LEGO. Very few LEGO customers are going to know that TLC calls
regular green "Dark Green" and that they call dark green "Earth Green." Changing
names like that at this point would cause a lot of confusion.
David
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But not all Lego enthusiasts use Bricklink simply because they find it too complicated
or are unaware of its presense or what it can offer them however that may be
about to change with the release of XP along the wider community slowly being
made more aware of Legos aquisition of the site
Many people simply use Brickset and/or the official Lego sites as their reference
point after all going direct to the official manufacure to look up parts from
a set would seem like the logical step to take for your average Lego household
not yet fully accustomed to BL?
Whatever confusion this might cause for existing BL users will be nothing compared
to the confusion that awaits future BL users that are expected to know all this
stuff?
Exisitng members ar'nt going to go anywhere and so Bricklinks target market
needs to be encouaging new users and making things as simple for them as possible!
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| | | | | Author: | calebfishn | | Posted: | Jul 13, 2020 11:59 | | Subject: | Re: Dark Green - who's going to crack first? | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Colors | |
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| In Colors, misbi writes:
| | Now that TLG has acquired BL, isn't it about time that we set about resolving
conflicting colour names? The flesh/nougat adjustment shows that it's possible,
so when are we going to rename BL Dark Green to Earth Green?
Obviously there are many others which need aligned over time, but currently Dark
Green should be an immediate priority.
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"earth" green has no meaning, except to people who buy lego from TLG by colour.
A Lego "official" colour name has no value unless it is descriptive. What colour
is "earth"? Is it the colour of dirt?
In actual experience, I cannot see this particular colour. Which means I need
to take the pieces to my wife, and ask what colour it is. I guarantee it that
if I were to ask, "Is this earth green?" she would reply: "I don't know what
that means, but it is a kind of dark green, darker than that other green you
showed me." And voila, the problem would be solved.
Descriptives such as "dark", "Medium", "light" and "bright" are useful when trying
to determine a shade (not perfect, but helpful). I recommend that Bricklink
resist converting to official names when they are not helpful in distinguishing
shades.
I get some funny reactions from people with normal colour range vision when I
ask them what colour something is. Most of the time, they reply with a marketing
department name for a colour, i.e. "It's kind of a Dusty Rose", or "I'd
say its Sea Foam" or perhaps "November Skies". To which I reply, "Thanks,
but what I really wanted to know is it is green or brown."
Once we were getting our workplace painted, and the painter showed me some colour
chips to select from. It was a hectic day, so I just picked some pretty sounding
names that looked plausible enough to me. A couple of hours later, a delegation
of staff came to my office and announced, (with tears!) that "If you let that
guy paint our place those colours, we will absolutely quit our jobs!". So I
let them choose the colours and was never troubled with interior decorating decisions
again.
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