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 Author: axaday View Messages Posted By axaday
 Posted: Mar 25, 2020 19:05
 Subject: Inventory Change Request for Set 8414-1
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axaday (4325)

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Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 8414  Name: Mountain Rambler
* 
8414-1 (Inv) Mountain Rambler
244 Parts, 1997
Sets: Technic: Model: Off-Road

* Change 3 Part Black {2412 Tile, Modified 1 x 2 Grille (Undetermined Type) to 2412b Tile, Modified 1 x 2 Grille with Bottom Groove / Lip}
* Change 4 Part Light Gray {6538 Technic, Axle Connector 2L (Ridged Undetermined Type) to 6538b Technic, Axle Connector 2L (Ridged with x Hole x Orientation)}
* Change 2 Part {Red to Rust} 2853 Technic Engine Crankshaft
* Change 2 Part {Red to Rust} 2851 Technic Engine Piston Round

Comments from Submitter:
Sealed set, pics following
 Author: axaday View Messages Posted By axaday
 Posted: Mar 25, 2020 19:07
 Subject: Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 8414-1
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In Inventories Requests, axaday writes:
  Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 8414  Name: Mountain Rambler
* 
8414-1 (Inv) Mountain Rambler
244 Parts, 1997
Sets: Technic: Model: Off-Road

* Change 3 Part Black {2412 Tile, Modified 1 x 2 Grille (Undetermined Type) to 2412b Tile, Modified 1 x 2 Grille with Bottom Groove / Lip}
* Change 4 Part Light Gray {6538 Technic, Axle Connector 2L (Ridged Undetermined Type) to 6538b Technic, Axle Connector 2L (Ridged with x Hole x Orientation)}
* Change 2 Part {Red to Rust} 2853 Technic Engine Crankshaft
* Change 2 Part {Red to Rust} 2851 Technic Engine Piston Round

Comments from Submitter:
Sealed set, pics following
 






 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: Mar 25, 2020 21:51
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In Inventories Requests, axaday writes:
  Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 8414  Name: Mountain Rambler
* 
8414-1 (Inv) Mountain Rambler
244 Parts, 1997
Sets: Technic: Model: Off-Road

* Change 3 Part Black {2412 Tile, Modified 1 x 2 Grille (Undetermined Type) to 2412b Tile, Modified 1 x 2 Grille with Bottom Groove / Lip}
* Change 4 Part Light Gray {6538 Technic, Axle Connector 2L (Ridged Undetermined Type) to 6538b Technic, Axle Connector 2L (Ridged with x Hole x Orientation)}
* Change 2 Part {Red to Rust} 2853 Technic Engine Crankshaft
* Change 2 Part {Red to Rust} 2851 Technic Engine Piston Round

Comments from Submitter:
Sealed set, pics following

Here's the problem with the "rust" parts. Were they really meant to be what
we consider the color rust? Or are they red parts that have changed color over
time?

For example, if we see the "brittle blue" parts these days, we know they look
absolutely different to the blue parts we know and love. However, these parts
probably looked just like blue parts when they were originally released in sets.

Also, the two parts that you have here are the same two parts that have been
documented as being found in a color very close to what looks like bright light
orange but were actually supposed to be yellow. I have a feeling that these color
changes may have to do with the type of plastic used for these two parts.

It would be nice for some of the resident color experts to chime in on this one.

Cheers,
Randy
 Author: axaday View Messages Posted By axaday
 Posted: Mar 25, 2020 23:04
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In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
  I have a feeling that these color
changes may have to do with the type of plastic used for these two parts.

2 pieces that only came in red or rust in two sets, I bought this feeling pretty
sure that they'd be the same. Not too many were made. So if we're going
to recognize the color rust, I think all of these parts are rust and not red.
They might have looked the same new, but they don't look the same now.

-=-=-

A while back I noticed I had two colors of red in 11214. I hadn't documented
it and when I got some more I didn't document it again because I just thought
it was a variation. But the darker ones are a perfect match for these rust parts.
So that's a piece that came in both colors. To repeat, I have taken rust
11214 from more than one set, but I have no way of saying which sets.
 Author: Hygrotus View Messages Posted By Hygrotus
 Posted: Mar 26, 2020 05:48
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In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
  In Inventories Requests, axaday writes:
  Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 8414  Name: Mountain Rambler
* 
8414-1 (Inv) Mountain Rambler
244 Parts, 1997
Sets: Technic: Model: Off-Road

* Change 3 Part Black {2412 Tile, Modified 1 x 2 Grille (Undetermined Type) to 2412b Tile, Modified 1 x 2 Grille with Bottom Groove / Lip}
* Change 4 Part Light Gray {6538 Technic, Axle Connector 2L (Ridged Undetermined Type) to 6538b Technic, Axle Connector 2L (Ridged with x Hole x Orientation)}
* Change 2 Part {Red to Rust} 2853 Technic Engine Crankshaft
* Change 2 Part {Red to Rust} 2851 Technic Engine Piston Round

Comments from Submitter:
Sealed set, pics following

Here's the problem with the "rust" parts. Were they really meant to be what
we consider the color rust? Or are they red parts that have changed color over
time?

For example, if we see the "brittle blue" parts these days, we know they look
absolutely different to the blue parts we know and love. However, these parts
probably looked just like blue parts when they were originally released in sets.

Also, the two parts that you have here are the same two parts that have been
documented as being found in a color very close to what looks like bright light
orange but were actually supposed to be yellow. I have a feeling that these color
changes may have to do with the type of plastic used for these two parts.

It would be nice for some of the resident color experts to chime in on this one.

Cheers,
Randy

Isn't there a mess with "rust" on Bricklink
WoutR list
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1146513

"27 Rust
= 13 Red Orange (Duplo cows, Fabuland heads)
= The other BrickLink Rust parts are probably an odd version of 21 Bright Red
(?) but that color is so different that the separate listing is justified."
https://www.flickr.com/photos/126975831@N07/14960664342/

and

"68 Dark Orange
= 38 Dark Orange
= 216 Rust (for Skateboard 48394, Ladle x234, Dog 51163cx1)"
https://www.flickr.com/photos/126975831@N07/15139390746/
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
 Posted: Mar 26, 2020 13:01
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In Inventories Requests, Hygrotus writes:

  Isn't there a mess with "rust" on Bricklink
WoutR list
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1146513

Yep, there is. Glad to see you are still around!
 Author: Turez View Messages Posted By Turez
 Posted: Mar 26, 2020 11:42
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In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
  Here's the problem with the "rust" parts. Were they really meant to be what
we consider the color rust? Or are they red parts that have changed color over
time?

I had
 
Set No: 8437  Name: Future Car
* 
8437-1 (Inv) Future Car
418 Parts, 1997
Sets: Technic: Model: Off-Road
as a child about 20 years ago and the red parts we are talking about were noticeable
darker than normal red parts. So I would say they have always been "rust".

  Also, the two parts that you have here are the same two parts that have been
documented as being found in a color very close to what looks like bright light
orange but were actually supposed to be yellow. I have a feeling that these color
changes may have to do with the type of plastic used for these two parts.

I agree. Since the "bright light orange" parts are inventoried as yellow, how
about classifying the "rust" parts as red and adjust the note on both entries?

See also:
https://www.flickr.com/photos/126975831@N07/15077477860/

Regards,
Jonas
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
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In Inventories Requests, Turez writes:

  
  Also, the two parts that you have here are the same two parts that have been
documented as being found in a color very close to what looks like bright light
orange but were actually supposed to be yellow. I have a feeling that these color
changes may have to do with the type of plastic used for these two parts.

I agree. Since the "bright light orange" parts are inventoried as yellow, how
about classifying the "rust" parts as red and adjust the note on both entries?

I was also thinking about doing this exact thing.

Cheers,
Randy
 Author: axaday View Messages Posted By axaday
 Posted: Mar 26, 2020 14:06
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In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
  In Inventories Requests, Turez writes:

  
  Also, the two parts that you have here are the same two parts that have been
documented as being found in a color very close to what looks like bright light
orange but were actually supposed to be yellow. I have a feeling that these color
changes may have to do with the type of plastic used for these two parts.

I agree. Since the "bright light orange" parts are inventoried as yellow, how
about classifying the "rust" parts as red and adjust the note on both entries?

I was also thinking about doing this exact thing.

Cheers,
Randy

Getting rid of the color rust?
 Author: Grego View Messages Posted By Grego
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In Inventories Requests, axaday writes:
  In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
  In Inventories Requests, Turez writes:

  
  Also, the two parts that you have here are the same two parts that have been
documented as being found in a color very close to what looks like bright light
orange but were actually supposed to be yellow. I have a feeling that these color
changes may have to do with the type of plastic used for these two parts.

I agree. Since the "bright light orange" parts are inventoried as yellow, how
about classifying the "rust" parts as red and adjust the note on both entries?

I was also thinking about doing this exact thing.

Cheers,
Randy

Getting rid of the color rust?

What about
 
Part No: 4873  Name: Bar 1 x 6 with Open Studs
* 
4873 Bar 1 x 6 with Open Studs
Parts: Bar {White}

This part does come in Flat Black and Rust. They may very well have intended
the colors to be regular Glossy Black and Red but the plastic used renders them
a Flat, dull matte color ...hence Flat Black and Rust
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In Inventories Requests, axaday writes:
  In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
  In Inventories Requests, Turez writes:

  
  Also, the two parts that you have here are the same two parts that have been
documented as being found in a color very close to what looks like bright light
orange but were actually supposed to be yellow. I have a feeling that these color
changes may have to do with the type of plastic used for these two parts.

I agree. Since the "bright light orange" parts are inventoried as yellow, how
about classifying the "rust" parts as red and adjust the note on both entries?

I was also thinking about doing this exact thing.

Cheers,
Randy

Getting rid of the color rust?

No. I was thinking about adding a note on the parts similar to the one for the
"bright light orange" ones and then having the inventories changed to have red
instead of rust. However, for now I think it is better to leave these parts alone.
I will update the inventory to have the parts in rust like you requested.

Cheers,
Randy
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In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
  In Inventories Requests, axaday writes:
  In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
  In Inventories Requests, Turez writes:

  
  Also, the two parts that you have here are the same two parts that have been
documented as being found in a color very close to what looks like bright light
orange but were actually supposed to be yellow. I have a feeling that these color
changes may have to do with the type of plastic used for these two parts.

I agree. Since the "bright light orange" parts are inventoried as yellow, how
about classifying the "rust" parts as red and adjust the note on both entries?

I was also thinking about doing this exact thing.

Cheers,
Randy

Getting rid of the color rust?

No. I was thinking about adding a note on the parts similar to the one for the
"bright light orange" ones and then having the inventories changed to have red
instead of rust. However, for now I think it is better to leave these parts alone.
I will update the inventory to have the parts in rust like you requested.

Cheers,
Randy

At least they will be together.