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 Author: _goldie_ View Messages Posted By _goldie_
 Posted: Aug 15, 2018 11:52
 Subject: Inventory Change Request for Set 6554-1
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_goldie_ (83)

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Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 6554  Name: Blaze Brigade
* 
6554-1 (Inv) Blaze Brigade
238 Parts, 4 Minifigures, 1997
Sets: Town: Town Jr.: Fire

* Add 2 Part 2493c02 White Window 1 x 4 x 5 with Trans-Light Blue Glass (Counterpart)
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
 Posted: Aug 16, 2018 06:06
 Subject: Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6554-1
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In Inventories Requests, _goldie_ writes:
  Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 6554  Name: Blaze Brigade
* 
6554-1 (Inv) Blaze Brigade
238 Parts, 4 Minifigures, 1997
Sets: Town: Town Jr.: Fire

* Add 2 Part 2493c02 White Window 1 x 4 x 5 with Trans-Light Blue Glass (Counterpart)

In reference to all of your requests to add these window assemblies as counterparts:
we have recently been discussing these types of assemblies and how best to handle
them in inventories.

For now I'll leave the requests open, but they may be rejected as some point
(or approved - who knows?). The issue of part assembly counterparts in set inventories
has been unresolved for over a decade, but hopefully we'll have an answer
for you soon.
 Author: _goldie_ View Messages Posted By _goldie_
 Posted: Aug 16, 2018 12:41
 Subject: Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6554-1
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In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
  In Inventories Requests, _goldie_ writes:
  Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 6554  Name: Blaze Brigade
* 
6554-1 (Inv) Blaze Brigade
238 Parts, 4 Minifigures, 1997
Sets: Town: Town Jr.: Fire

* Add 2 Part 2493c02 White Window 1 x 4 x 5 with Trans-Light Blue Glass (Counterpart)

In reference to all of your requests to add these window assemblies as counterparts:
we have recently been discussing these types of assemblies and how best to handle
them in inventories.

For now I'll leave the requests open, but they may be rejected as some point
(or approved - who knows?). The issue of part assembly counterparts in set inventories
has been unresolved for over a decade, but hopefully we'll have an answer
for you soon.

Thank you for your response!

I've just added the part assembly as counterparts for this set, because the
decorated window (2493c02pb01) is also added.

I remove the other counterpart request.

Best regards
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
 Posted: Aug 16, 2018 14:27
 Subject: Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6554-1
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In Inventories Requests, _goldie_ writes:
  I've just added the part assembly as counterparts for this set, because the
decorated window (2493c02pb01) is also added.

The problem with those windows is that they are something of an anomaly. Only
six exist:

 
Part No: 2493c01pb01  Name: Window 1 x 4 x 5 with Trans-Clear Glass with Mirror Pattern (Sticker) - Set 5835
* 
2493c01pb01 (Inv) Window 1 x 4 x 5 with Trans-Clear Glass with Mirror Pattern (Sticker) - Set 5835
Parts: Window, Decorated
 
Part No: 2493c01pb02  Name: Window 1 x 4 x 5 with Trans-Clear Glass with 5 White Stripes and Red Cross Pattern (Sticker) - Set 6380
* 
2493c01pb02 (Inv) Window 1 x 4 x 5 with Trans-Clear Glass with 5 White Stripes and Red Cross Pattern (Sticker) - Set 6380
Parts: Window, Decorated
 
Part No: 2493c01pb03  Name: Window 1 x 4 x 5 with Trans-Clear Glass with 5 White Stripes Pattern (Sticker) - Sets 1490 / 6380 / 6398
* 
2493c01pb03 (Inv) Window 1 x 4 x 5 with Trans-Clear Glass with 5 White Stripes Pattern (Sticker) - Sets 1490 / 6380 / 6398
Parts: Window, Decorated
 
Part No: 2493c01pb04  Name: Window 1 x 4 x 5 with Trans-Clear Glass with Bills & Coins Pattern (Sticker) - Set 1490
* 
2493c01pb04 (Inv) Window 1 x 4 x 5 with Trans-Clear Glass with Bills & Coins Pattern (Sticker) - Set 1490
Parts: Window, Decorated
 
Part No: 2493c01pb05  Name: Window 1 x 4 x 5 with Trans-Clear Glass with Sheriff Pattern (Sticker) - Sets 6755 / 6764
* 
2493c01pb05 (Inv) Window 1 x 4 x 5 with Trans-Clear Glass with Sheriff Pattern (Sticker) - Sets 6755 / 6764
Parts: Window, Decorated
 
Part No: 2493c02pb01  Name: Window 1 x 4 x 5 with Trans-Light Blue Glass with White Stripes and Fire Logo Badge Pattern
* 
2493c02pb01 (Inv) Window 1 x 4 x 5 with Trans-Light Blue Glass with White Stripes and Fire Logo Badge Pattern
Parts: Window, Decorated

What about all the other decorated window assemblies? Why aren't they included
in the catalog and in inventories?

https://www.bricklink.com/catalogListOld.asp?pg=1&q=2494%2A&catLike=W&itemBrand=1000&searchMethod=searchBoth&v=1

What about all of these windows which cold be added as part assemblies?

 
Part No: 60603pb007  Name: Glass for Window 1 x 4 x 3 - Opening with Gold and White '"Prevent Yellowing"', 'DENTIST' and Tooth Pattern
* 
60603pb007 Glass for Window 1 x 4 x 3 - Opening with Gold and White '"Prevent Yellowing"', 'DENTIST' and Tooth Pattern
Parts: Window, Glass & Shutter, Decorated

Or these?

 
Part No: 3855pb011  Name: Glass for Window 1 x 4 x 3 with Flag of Austria and Soccer Ball Pattern (Sticker) - Set 3404
  
3855pb011 Glass for Window 1 x 4 x 3 with Flag of Austria and Soccer Ball Pattern (Sticker) - Set 3404
Parts: Window, Glass & Shutter, Decorated

Or these?

 
Part No: 57895pb024R  Name: Glass for Window 1 x 4 x 6 with Silver Butterfly, Bright Pink Flower and Leaves on White Background Pattern Model Right Side (Sticker) - Set 3187
* 
57895pb024R Glass for Window 1 x 4 x 6 with Silver Butterfly, Bright Pink Flower and Leaves on White Background Pattern Model Right Side (Sticker) - Set 3187
Parts: Window, Glass & Shutter, Decorated

Or these?

 
Part No: 60601pb001  Name: Glass for Window 1 x 2 x 2 Flat Front with Spider and Web in Upper Left Corner Pattern (Sticker) - Set 10228
* 
60601pb001 Glass for Window 1 x 2 x 2 Flat Front with Spider and Web in Upper Left Corner Pattern (Sticker) - Set 10228
Parts: Window, Glass & Shutter, Decorated

Or these?

 
Part No: 60602pb05  Name: Glass for Window 1 x 2 x 3 with 2 Black Insects Pattern (Sticker) - Set 75904
* 
60602pb05 Glass for Window 1 x 2 x 3 with 2 Black Insects Pattern (Sticker) - Set 75904
Parts: Window, Glass & Shutter, Decorated

LEGO parts can be assembled in a myriad of ways and there are many parts which
naturally fit together. At some point a line must be drawn on what is included
in the catalog and in inventories. For these windows it appears that the line
was drawn after those six were added, but no one bothered to go back and remove
them.

There are other part assemblies in the catalog which don't appear in inventories
and here is one:

 
Part No: 3830c01  Name: Hinge Brick 1 x 4 Swivel
* 
3830c01 Hinge Brick 1 x 4 Swivel
Parts: Hinge
Marked for Deletion

There have never been any written rules on which assemblies should or should
not be included in inventories (or in the catalog itself for that matter). I
can't speak for the catalog, but for inventories I'd like to change that.

If you'll look at this page:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=1562

you can see that I added a new section under the Additional Information About
Counterparts
section titled Part Assemblies as Counterparts. That
section is my idea of how things should work. That rule is not set in stone
at this moment, though, and may change. The topic is still under discussion
and no inventories are being changed right now in regards to that rule (which
is why your request is on hold).

If the rule were to stay in place, then it could mean the removal of certain
counterparts from set entries (although they would likely still remain as catalog
entries so that people could use them to buy and sell). This is an example of
a counterpart which would be ineligible for inclusion in inventories under the
new definition:

 
Part No: 33172c01  Name: Carrot with Bright Green Top (33172 / 33183)
* 
33172c01 (Inv) Carrot with Bright Green Top (33172 / 33183)
Parts: Food & Drink

If anyone has input on this topic, I'd love to hear it.
 Author: Hygrotus View Messages Posted By Hygrotus
 Posted: Aug 16, 2018 14:38
 Subject: Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6554-1
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Part No: 33172c01  Name: Carrot with Bright Green Top (33172 / 33183)
* 
33172c01 (Inv) Carrot with Bright Green Top (33172 / 33183)
Parts: Food & Drink

Should be equal rights for animals and plants assemblies to be in the catalog
and inventories



but seriously speaking I like your ideas.
 Author: _goldie_ View Messages Posted By _goldie_
 Posted: Aug 17, 2018 06:28
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_goldie_ (83)

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In Inventories Requests, Hygrotus writes:
  
  
 
Part No: 33172c01  Name: Carrot with Bright Green Top (33172 / 33183)
* 
33172c01 (Inv) Carrot with Bright Green Top (33172 / 33183)
Parts: Food & Drink

Should be equal rights for animals and plants assemblies to be in the catalog
and inventories



but seriously speaking I like your ideas.

I didn't want to start a debate. I just thougt I make a contribution to the
inventory.
I remove the request now.
 Author: Hygrotus View Messages Posted By Hygrotus
 Posted: Aug 17, 2018 06:36
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In Inventories Requests, _goldie_ writes:
  In Inventories Requests, Hygrotus writes:
  
  
 
Part No: 33172c01  Name: Carrot with Bright Green Top (33172 / 33183)
* 
33172c01 (Inv) Carrot with Bright Green Top (33172 / 33183)
Parts: Food & Drink

Should be equal rights for animals and plants assemblies to be in the catalog
and inventories



but seriously speaking I like your ideas.

I didn't want to start a debate. I just thougt I make a contribution to the
inventory.
I remove the request now.

No
This debate about counterparts was needed and was planed before you submited
these requests