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 Author: alahaka View Messages Posted By alahaka
 Posted: Mar 18, 2018 15:30
 Subject: Have all members pay BL $1 to buy and/or sell
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alahaka (645)

Location:  USA, California
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Mentioned in other posts, I am submitting this as a separate suggestion.

The goal of the $1 payment is to preclude new members from making false orders
and thereby avoid time wasted on pulling order items, attaining packing supplies,
calculating shipping, etc.

Perhaps there is also a benefit with regard to new sellers. Not sure.

I recognize there will be process, payment, and accounting challenges for BrickLink
administrators, along with maybe an undesired initial action to become a member,
however this proposal would screen out false buyers, and benefit the integrity
and positive experiences of the entire new member, buyer, and seller community
-- which for my part is a key reason I'm here.
 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
 Posted: Mar 18, 2018 16:18
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SylvainLS (46)

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In Suggestions, matejo writes:
  Mentioned in other posts, I am submitting this as a separate suggestion.

The goal of the $1 payment is to preclude new members from making false orders
and thereby avoid time wasted on pulling order items, attaining packing supplies,
calculating shipping, etc.

Perhaps there is also a benefit with regard to new sellers. Not sure.

I recognize there will be process, payment, and accounting challenges for BrickLink
administrators, along with maybe an undesired initial action to become a member,
however this proposal would screen out false buyers, and benefit the integrity
and positive experiences of the entire new member, buyer, and seller community
-- which for my part is a key reason I'm here.

So, one $5 minifig will cost $7 + shipping, with $2 + 3% to BL (= ~30% fee).

Yeah, I can see that going very well indeed… not!
 Author: alahaka View Messages Posted By alahaka
 Posted: Mar 18, 2018 16:40
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alahaka (645)

Location:  USA, California
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I recognize there are problems with the idea.

And I should have highlighted that it is a one-time payment idea, for
life.

I am looking for ideas to dissuade false buyers, and I guess the "conform" notion
of instant checkout is all that's on the table.

Right or wrong, it's an eBay direction, and eBay is a customer-can-do-no-wrong
environment, which in the end does not support small sellers.

In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:
  
So, one $5 minifig will cost $7 + shipping, with $2 + 3% to BL (= ~30% fee).

Yeah, I can see that going very well indeed… not!
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Mar 18, 2018 19:09
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yorbrick (1182)

Location:  United Kingdom, England
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In Suggestions, matejo writes:
  I recognize there are problems with the idea.

And I should have highlighted that it is a one-time payment idea, for
life.

I am looking for ideas to dissuade false buyers, and I guess the "conform" notion
of instant checkout is all that's on the table.

Right or wrong, it's an eBay direction, and eBay is a customer-can-do-no-wrong
environment, which in the end does not support small sellers.

In Suggestions, SylvainLS writes:
  
So, one $5 minifig will cost $7 + shipping, with $2 + 3% to BL (= ~30% fee).

Yeah, I can see that going very well indeed… not!

If someone wants to mess you about, $1 is nothing. Plus the majority of orders
I ever had go unpaid were from users with multiple hundreds of feedback or more.
 Author: Brickwilbo View Messages Posted By Brickwilbo
 Posted: Mar 18, 2018 16:34
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Brickwilbo (1534)

Location:  Netherlands, Gelderland
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In Suggestions, matejo writes:
  Mentioned in other posts, I am submitting this as a separate suggestion.

The goal of the $1 payment is to preclude new members from making false orders
and thereby avoid time wasted on pulling order items, attaining packing supplies,
calculating shipping, etc.

Perhaps there is also a benefit with regard to new sellers. Not sure.

I recognize there will be process, payment, and accounting challenges for BrickLink
administrators, along with maybe an undesired initial action to become a member,
however this proposal would screen out false buyers, and benefit the integrity
and positive experiences of the entire new member, buyer, and seller community
-- which for my part is a key reason I'm here.

Don't pick and pack until you're paid.
Enable instant checkout in your store.
 Author: chetzler View Messages Posted By chetzler
 Posted: Mar 18, 2018 16:52
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chetzler (2313)

Location:  USA, Minnesota
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In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
  In Suggestions, matejo writes:
  Mentioned in other posts, I am submitting this as a separate suggestion.

The goal of the $1 payment is to preclude new members from making false orders
and thereby avoid time wasted on pulling order items, attaining packing supplies,
calculating shipping, etc.

Perhaps there is also a benefit with regard to new sellers. Not sure.

I recognize there will be process, payment, and accounting challenges for BrickLink
administrators, along with maybe an undesired initial action to become a member,
however this proposal would screen out false buyers, and benefit the integrity
and positive experiences of the entire new member, buyer, and seller community
-- which for my part is a key reason I'm here.

Don't pick and pack until you're paid.
Enable instant checkout in your store.

I've said this before: Instant Checkout does NOT prevent NPBs. I can tell
you this from personal experience.

This is not a bad idea. Perhaps the initial membership fee could even be refunded
after 10 positive feedback is reached. Unfortunately, I doubt BrickLink will
implement anything that might limit new customers even if it would be a steady
(but small source of income).
 Author: PurpleDave View Messages Posted By PurpleDave
 Posted: Mar 18, 2018 21:36
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PurpleDave (969)

Location:  USA, Michigan
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In Suggestions, Brickwilbo writes:
  Enable instant checkout in your store.

Enable instant checkout, and it won't stop anyone from selecting any other
payment option offered. Restrict payment to instant checkout, and you lose all
the customers that don't trust Bricklink to be secure enough to make exposing
their payment info to whoever might be watching.
 Author: WoutR View Messages Posted By WoutR
 Posted: Mar 18, 2018 17:17
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WoutR (919)

Location:  Netherlands, Zuid-Holland
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In Suggestions, matejo writes:
  Mentioned in other posts, I am submitting this as a separate suggestion.

The goal of the $1 payment is to preclude new members from making false orders
and thereby avoid time wasted on pulling order items, attaining packing supplies,
calculating shipping, etc.

Perhaps there is also a benefit with regard to new sellers. Not sure.

I recognize there will be process, payment, and accounting challenges for BrickLink
administrators, along with maybe an undesired initial action to become a member,
however this proposal would screen out false buyers, and benefit the integrity
and positive experiences of the entire new member, buyer, and seller community
-- which for my part is a key reason I'm here.

I would never have joined BrickLink if I had to pay first.
 Author: calebfishn View Messages Posted By calebfishn
 Posted: Mar 18, 2018 19:14
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calebfishn (2140)

Location:  Canada, Ontario
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In Suggestions, matejo writes:
  Mentioned in other posts, I am submitting this as a separate suggestion.

The goal of the $1 payment is to preclude new members from making false orders
and thereby avoid time wasted on pulling order items, attaining packing supplies,
calculating shipping, etc.

Perhaps there is also a benefit with regard to new sellers. Not sure.

I recognize there will be process, payment, and accounting challenges for BrickLink
administrators, along with maybe an undesired initial action to become a member,
however this proposal would screen out false buyers, and benefit the integrity
and positive experiences of the entire new member, buyer, and seller community
-- which for my part is a key reason I'm here.

Just what we need, fewer buyers.

Your suggestion will not screen out "false" buyers. But it will discourage and
dissuade all the first time people who come to Bricklink to look around. I get
very few orders that are not paid, and the ones that don't pay, are in my
opinion people who are experimenting with the order system.

I say, let them experiment. It is a minor inconvenience.
 Author: PurpleDave View Messages Posted By PurpleDave
 Posted: Mar 18, 2018 21:34
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PurpleDave (969)

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In Suggestions, calebfishn writes:
  Your suggestion will not screen out "false" buyers. But it will discourage and
dissuade all the first time people who come to Bricklink to look around. I get
very few orders that are not paid, and the ones that don't pay, are in my
opinion people who are experimenting with the order system.

Some people probably are dealing with people intentionally jerking their chain
when it comes to false orders. Either they said something here that ticked someone
off, or they did something in relation to a previous sale that had the same effect.
Creating fake accounts just to place false orders would be a way to pester someone.
You couldn't really take credit for it (not if you have a valid account
that you wanted to keep clean, at least, though if you'd already been banned
I guess it wouldn't really matter), so the victim would never know _why_
they kept getting bogus orders. But if someone is the sort to go through that
effort for such petty vengeance, I doubt logic and reason really factor into
their decisions.
 Author: skybound13 View Messages Posted By skybound13
 Posted: Jun 11, 2019 10:12
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skybound13 (5)

Location:  USA, North Carolina
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Matejo,

I’m not saying that I think any little fee should be part of the solution, but
if a fee were implemented maybe it should be considered an “order processing
fee” and be paid to the seller to be credited towards the order assuming it wasn’t
a fake order, otherwise seller keeps it. But even if the buyer turns out to
be fake then that $1.00 hardly seems like adequate compensation for wasting the
seller’s time.

As a recent new member, would I have paid $5.00 (or whatever) for a lifetime
BrickLink membership? The concept would have bothered me a little at first,
but yeah, I would have paid because I wanted buyer privileges. If that fee were
refunded back after so many orders, great, if not, not a big deal really.

Hmm, as I think more about it, such a payment would at least confirm that a buyer
is a real person and has a means by which to pay for orders online.

Ted
 Author: nectara View Messages Posted By nectara
 Posted: Jun 11, 2019 11:12
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In Suggestions, skybound13 writes:
  Matejo,

I’m not saying that I think any little fee should be part of the solution, but
if a fee were implemented maybe it should be considered an “order processing
fee” and be paid to the seller to be credited towards the order assuming it wasn’t
a fake order, otherwise seller keeps it. But even if the buyer turns out to
be fake then that $1.00 hardly seems like adequate compensation for wasting the
seller’s time.

As a recent new member, would I have paid $5.00 (or whatever) for a lifetime
BrickLink membership? The concept would have bothered me a little at first,
but yeah, I would have paid because I wanted buyer privileges. If that fee were
refunded back after so many orders, great, if not, not a big deal really.

Hmm, as I think more about it, such a payment would at least confirm that a buyer
is a real person and has a means by which to pay for orders online.

Ted



The solution is already here called Instant Checkout

Regards
Nectara
 Author: skybound13 View Messages Posted By skybound13
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skybound13 (5)

Location:  USA, North Carolina
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Nectara,

Brickwilbo also suggested Instant Checkout. Just thought I’d share my thoughts
after reading Chezler’s comment above that Instant Checkout doesn’t always prevent
Non-Paying Buyers and that maybe the initial membership fee could be refunded.

Bricklnk offers a great service and has a great community, even if that membership
fee wasn’t refunded a new member would get a lot of value for the minimal sign-up
fee.

Ted

In Suggestions, nectara writes:

  The solution is already here called Instant Checkout

Regards
Nectara
 Author: Teup View Messages Posted By Teup
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Teup (6590)

Location:  Netherlands, Utrecht
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In Suggestions, skybound13 writes:
  
As a recent new member, would I have paid $5.00 (or whatever) for a lifetime
BrickLink membership? The concept would have bothered me a little at first,
but yeah, I would have paid because I wanted buyer privileges. If that fee were
refunded back after so many orders, great, if not, not a big deal really.

Hmm, as I think more about it, such a payment would at least confirm that a buyer
is a real person and has a means by which to pay for orders online.

I think you may be pretty exceptional in this. While you are right it could be
a good decision to pay it, I think that the vast majority of people will not
realize it and be turned away by it. The current situation with so many consumers
unwilling to sign up for Bricklink is bad enough as it is.. even creating an
account and learning to navigate the site is already too much for alot of regular
consumers. Let's not make Bricklink's weak point even weaker. People
want to find their products and then buy them by clicking on them and entering
their address. Not go through some strange process of paying a fee for "being
a member" of something they don't (yet) care about..
 Author: skybound13 View Messages Posted By skybound13
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skybound13 (5)

Location:  USA, North Carolina
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Teup,

I guess it’s easy for me to now say I’d pay a fee because I value what BrickLink
has to offer.

I didn’t realize there was an issue with people not wanting to sign up for BrickLink.
I know in general that I do resist signing up for yet another online account
when I don’t expect to regularly purchase at that online store, but at the end
of the day if I want what they have and there’s no other way to get it I’ll sign
up for that account.

Regarding setting up a BrickLink account, when I signed up in February of this
year I was impressed by how easy the account set up seemed to be - just email,
username, password, then to click Confirm in the email from BrickLink - it was
fast and easy in my opinion.

I also thought BrickLink did well enough to provide information on how the site
works, but then again, I took a few minutes to patiently search for and actually
read the information. I would agree that the typical person probably expects
something like Amazon where you just select the items and as you proceed through
the check-out process everything is calculated.

But in general, I think everyone can agree with the concept of keeping BrickLink
simple and accessible, a sign-up fee would work against that goal.

Ted
 Author: alahaka View Messages Posted By alahaka
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alahaka (645)

Location:  USA, California
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Hi Ted,

Thanks for the bump! (Pretty sure some chaos has ensued.)

I've been pulled away from bricks for a while now due to another j-o-b, and
after looking up a set a friend mentioned, I just happened to glance at forums
to catch this eerily familiar sounding subject.

Enjoy the community and building! I have four projects unfinished, and have
yet to get them off the carpet ... ... after, um, months. (But these bricks
are protected from sun and dust by scrap paper, so the ol' habitat looks,
well ... livable.)

A good day to all, Matthew
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skybound13 (5)

Location:  USA, North Carolina
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Matthew,

Yeah, I didn’t mean to stir up the hornets’ nest!

I can relate with having to put building on the back burner to take care of work.
A big distraction for me is my home office renovation which will be the room
where I build and display all things LEGO. I’m not very fast when it comes to
renovation work but I’ve made matters worse by expanding the scope of the project
to include new UV-blocking glass in the windows, also decided to cut out the
wood panels in the interior door and install frosted glass which is something
I’ve always thought looked nice.

Boy, dust is my sworn enemy, especially with the renovation work. Every LEGO
set I’ve bought this year is in boxes which are then sealed in trash bags in
the storage room (formerly known as the living room!) To help keep dust down
the office renovation will include a HEPA filter and vinyl plank flooring instead
of carpet, might even splurge and get one of those vacuum robots.

Ted
 Author: calebfishn View Messages Posted By calebfishn
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calebfishn (2140)

Location:  Canada, Ontario
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In Suggestions, matejo writes:
  Mentioned in other posts, I am submitting this as a separate suggestion.

The goal of the $1 payment is to preclude new members from making false orders
and thereby avoid time wasted on pulling order items, attaining packing supplies,
calculating shipping, etc.

Perhaps there is also a benefit with regard to new sellers. Not sure.

I recognize there will be process, payment, and accounting challenges for BrickLink
administrators, along with maybe an undesired initial action to become a member,
however this proposal would screen out false buyers, and benefit the integrity
and positive experiences of the entire new member, buyer, and seller community
-- which for my part is a key reason I'm here.

No. It is not necessary to screen out false buyers. Although it is true that
this is very frustrating, it is part of doing business and running a store to
give quotes, calculate shipping, etc. When i walk into walmart, they don't
charge me a dollar to make sure I am a "real" customer.

Most so called "false" orders, are really in my view "Failed" orders, and those
are most often the result of new buyers, or people who could not figure something
out on the website interface. The percentage of "failed" orders is very small
compared to successful orders. I can deal with the odd inconvenience.

We should reject every single suggestion that would make it harder for first
time, and one time buyers from ordering lego in our stores.

I agree that community is important, and that is why I am here also. However,
I believe the health of the community depends on being open and welcoming to
newcomers, rather than being a closed community that wants to screen new arrivals
and place obstacles in their path.
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skybound13 (5)

Location:  USA, North Carolina
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Calebfishn,

You’ve got a really good point about how part of running a business is providing
quotes and such which may not lead to a sale, like when I’ve met with prospective
clients who decided not to hire me.

I do agree that keeping BrickLink accessible and welcoming to new members should
be a priority. Your Walmart example is good. There are examples of businesses
charging fees for entry, such as bars with cover charges and even Costco’s membership
fee, but again, better for BrickLink not to give someone reason to walk away.

Ted
 Author: Adjour View Messages Posted By Adjour
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Adjour (2449)

Location:  USA, Tennessee
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I dunno, I'm at 400 orders now and had a NPB, what, twice? I don't think
I've had one since I setup instant checkout either.


Sorry, can't get on board with this idea.
 Author: tons_of_bricks View Messages Posted By tons_of_bricks
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Don't agree with this at all. This will do nothing except make a lot of people
mad. Ever since I set up instant checkout about a year ago, I've had only
2 NPBs I can think of; one of them what an international buyer, that when I contact,
said that the shipping was too high so I cancelled. The other I never got a response.

So non-paying buyers aren't really a big deal if you have your store set
up correctly.
 Author: Teup View Messages Posted By Teup
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Teup (6590)

Location:  Netherlands, Utrecht
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In Suggestions, firestar246 writes:
  Don't agree with this at all. This will do nothing except make a lot of people
mad. Ever since I set up instant checkout about a year ago, I've had only
2 NPBs I can think of; one of them what an international buyer, that when I contact,
said that the shipping was too high so I cancelled. The other I never got a response.

So non-paying buyers aren't really a big deal if you have your store set
up correctly.

Agreed. It sounds absurdly consumer unfriendly and frankly hard to take seriously.
Imagine going to the supermarket and being charged $1 upon entry that will not
be refunded. In the EU, consumers can cancel or return purchases for full refunds.
It's considered a vital part of commerce. It would certainly scare off buyers
if they were forced to agree to this. Also, it would require new buyers to set
up a PayPal account and send money to it before placing their first order, which
they are just not going to do.

And yes, NPB's are just not really a big deal. All stores have to deal with
returns, it's part of business. Wanting to eliminate it 100% sounds like
lazy thinking from the seller's perspective. What's next? "Let's
trap all buyers inside of this mall so they don't go out without buying our
products"
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yorbrick (1182)

Location:  United Kingdom, England
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Apr 11, 2011 Contact Member Seller
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   "Let's trap all buyers inside of this mall so they don't go out without buying our products"

That's a good idea. How about membership fees of $1000 per year. But that
allows you to get $1000 of credit towards any BL orders you place in that year.
For large buyers it will make no difference. For small buyers, it will encourage
them to spend more.*



* Or not join at all.

 Author: skybound13 View Messages Posted By skybound13
 Posted: Jun 12, 2019 08:44
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skybound13 (5)

Location:  USA, North Carolina
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Yorbrick,

I think there are some brick-and-mortar retailers who would love to have you
and Teup on staff!

Yep, now that they’ve spent the money they need to take advantage of the membership.
But we can’t let them just use that $1000 like store credit, they only get to
pay for a portion of each order from that $1000, say maybe 10% per order? That
way we encourage new members to order $10,000 of product a year, they pay an
additional $9000 out of pocket and get to use that $1000 to make up the difference.
While BrickLink is waiting for members to use their $1000 membership fee they
have the money parked in a high interest account, a portion of the interest would
be distributed to sellers, of course!

Ted
 Author: SylvainLS View Messages Posted By SylvainLS
 Posted: Jun 11, 2019 17:23
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SylvainLS (46)

Location:  France, Nouvelle-Aquitaine
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Funny how 15-months old suggestions can be resurrected
 Author: legoman77 View Messages Posted By legoman77
 Posted: Jun 11, 2019 19:42
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legoman77 (3628)

Location:  USA, Texas
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Jan 22, 2003 Contact Member Seller
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Store: 77's Bricks & Sets
In Suggestions, matejo writes:
  Mentioned in other posts, I am submitting this as a separate suggestion.

The goal of the $1 payment is to preclude new members from making false orders
and thereby avoid time wasted on pulling order items, attaining packing supplies,
calculating shipping, etc.

Perhaps there is also a benefit with regard to new sellers. Not sure.

I recognize there will be process, payment, and accounting challenges for BrickLink
administrators, along with maybe an undesired initial action to become a member,
however this proposal would screen out false buyers, and benefit the integrity
and positive experiences of the entire new member, buyer, and seller community
-- which for my part is a key reason I'm here.

I have said it before, the best way to weed out undesirable buyers and sellers
is to require 10 positive feedbacks before they are allowed to sell or buy. It
sounds so simple.
John P
 Author: rgurskey View Messages Posted By rgurskey
 Posted: Jun 11, 2019 20:14
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rgurskey (463)

Location:  USA, Virginia
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In Suggestions, legoman77 writes:
  In Suggestions, matejo writes:
  Mentioned in other posts, I am submitting this as a separate suggestion.

The goal of the $1 payment is to preclude new members from making false orders
and thereby avoid time wasted on pulling order items, attaining packing supplies,
calculating shipping, etc.

Perhaps there is also a benefit with regard to new sellers. Not sure.

I recognize there will be process, payment, and accounting challenges for BrickLink
administrators, along with maybe an undesired initial action to become a member,
however this proposal would screen out false buyers, and benefit the integrity
and positive experiences of the entire new member, buyer, and seller community
-- which for my part is a key reason I'm here.

I have said it before, the best way to weed out undesirable buyers and sellers
is to require 10 positive feedbacks before they are allowed to sell or buy. It
sounds so simple.
John P

How do you get 10 positive feedbacks if you are not allowed to buy? Or are you
being facetious?
 Author: legoman77 View Messages Posted By legoman77
 Posted: Jun 11, 2019 20:29
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legoman77 (3628)

Location:  USA, Texas
Member Since Contact Type Status Collage
Jan 22, 2003 Contact Member Seller
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Store: 77's Bricks & Sets
In Suggestions, rgurskey writes:
  In Suggestions, legoman77 writes:
  In Suggestions, matejo writes:
  Mentioned in other posts, I am submitting this as a separate suggestion.

The goal of the $1 payment is to preclude new members from making false orders
and thereby avoid time wasted on pulling order items, attaining packing supplies,
calculating shipping, etc.

Perhaps there is also a benefit with regard to new sellers. Not sure.

I recognize there will be process, payment, and accounting challenges for BrickLink
administrators, along with maybe an undesired initial action to become a member,
however this proposal would screen out false buyers, and benefit the integrity
and positive experiences of the entire new member, buyer, and seller community
-- which for my part is a key reason I'm here.

I have said it before, the best way to weed out undesirable buyers and sellers
is to require 10 positive feedbacks before they are allowed to sell or buy. It
sounds so simple.
John P

How do you get 10 positive feedbacks if you are not allowed to buy? Or are you
being facetious?

Facetious. I am never that. Facetious/ feces / yes-we are back to colon stuff.
It worked.
John P
 Author: Adjour View Messages Posted By Adjour
 Posted: Jun 11, 2019 22:31
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Adjour (2449)

Location:  USA, Tennessee
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Aug 1, 2016 Contact Member Seller
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Store: The Chili is a Bit Spicy
In Suggestions, legoman77 writes:
  In Suggestions, matejo writes:
  Mentioned in other posts, I am submitting this as a separate suggestion.

The goal of the $1 payment is to preclude new members from making false orders
and thereby avoid time wasted on pulling order items, attaining packing supplies,
calculating shipping, etc.

Perhaps there is also a benefit with regard to new sellers. Not sure.

I recognize there will be process, payment, and accounting challenges for BrickLink
administrators, along with maybe an undesired initial action to become a member,
however this proposal would screen out false buyers, and benefit the integrity
and positive experiences of the entire new member, buyer, and seller community
-- which for my part is a key reason I'm here.

I have said it before, the best way to weed out undesirable buyers and sellers
is to require 10 positive feedbacks before they are allowed to sell or buy. It
sounds so simple.
John P

Shoot, make it 50 while we are at it