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| | | Author: | cosmicray  | | Posted: | Jun 29, 2023 17:53 | | Subject: | 100% failure rate | | Viewed: | 297 times | | Topic: | Problem | |
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| This afternoon I decided to part out 12 copies of 70111. In it is this part
Just on a whim, and possibly because I once before witnessed a Furty torso crack
(also from a 70111-1), I gave the plate a rotational flex. Nothing severe, pretty
mild flex. It snapped immediately. So I checked the other 11. They all snapped,
some with more flex, some with barely any flex at all. We are all aware of the
brittle parts from that era. This is the most extreme example I have seen. If
you have any of that part in your inventory, in that color, and there is a chance
it is from that era, pull them out and give them a flex. Listen closely. If they
are about to snap, you will hear a sound of plastic sheering from itself just
before it goes. One of them actually sent shrapnel flying when it went, but did
not hit me. Obviously those will not be listed for sale, but I might think of
a way to work them into a MOC.
Nita Rae
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| | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Jun 29, 2023 17:59 | | Subject: | Re: 100% failure rate | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Problem | |
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| | ya brittle brown from that era is crazy fragile |
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| | | | | Author: | 1001bricks | | Posted: | Jun 29, 2023 18:46 | | Subject: | Re: 100% failure rate | | Viewed: | 78 times | | Topic: | Problem | |
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| In Problem, cosmicray writes:
| | This afternoon I decided to part out 12 copies of 70111. In it is this part
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I had exactly the same result on a hundred of them, same part, same color 
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| | | | | Author: | Upstate_Brickz | | Posted: | Jun 29, 2023 21:06 | | Subject: | Re: 100% failure rate | | Viewed: | 78 times | | Topic: | Problem | |
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| Ah! That photo is terrifying  I knew they were fragile, but dang. |
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| | | | | Author: | PlanetEarthToys | | Posted: | Jun 29, 2023 21:57 | | Subject: | Re: 100% failure rate | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | Problem | |
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| In Problem, cosmicray writes:
| | This afternoon I decided to part out 12 copies of 70111. In it is this part
Just on a whim, and possibly because I once before witnessed a Furty torso crack
(also from a 70111-1), I gave the plate a rotational flex. Nothing severe, pretty
mild flex. It snapped immediately. So I checked the other 11. They all snapped,
some with more flex, some with barely any flex at all. We are all aware of the
brittle parts from that era. This is the most extreme example I have seen. If
you have any of that part in your inventory, in that color, and there is a chance
it is from that era, pull them out and give them a flex. Listen closely. If they
are about to snap, you will hear a sound of plastic sheering from itself just
before it goes. One of them actually sent shrapnel flying when it went, but did
not hit me. Obviously those will not be listed for sale, but I might think of
a way to work them into a MOC.
Nita Rae
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regardles of a choking hazard, a 4 year old could easily jab 1 of those in his
eye... or prison shank 5 year old Timmy who stole his feather collection....
yikes on Reddish Brown.
sounds like a lawsuit w/ Lego sooner than later if a "easily breaks/sharp
edges" warning regarding reddish brown parts isn't displayed on packages
with that color parts.
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| | | | | | | Author: | DeLuca | | Posted: | Jun 30, 2023 04:57 | | Subject: | Re: 100% failure rate | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Problem | |
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| In Problem, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | In Problem, cosmicray writes:
| | This afternoon I decided to part out 12 copies of 70111. In it is this part
Just on a whim, and possibly because I once before witnessed a Furty torso crack
(also from a 70111-1), I gave the plate a rotational flex. Nothing severe, pretty
mild flex. It snapped immediately. So I checked the other 11. They all snapped,
some with more flex, some with barely any flex at all. We are all aware of the
brittle parts from that era. This is the most extreme example I have seen. If
you have any of that part in your inventory, in that color, and there is a chance
it is from that era, pull them out and give them a flex. Listen closely. If they
are about to snap, you will hear a sound of plastic sheering from itself just
before it goes. One of them actually sent shrapnel flying when it went, but did
not hit me. Obviously those will not be listed for sale, but I might think of
a way to work them into a MOC.
Nita Rae
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regardles of a choking hazard, a 4 year old could easily jab 1 of those in his
eye... or prison shank 5 year old Timmy who stole his feather collection....
yikes on Reddish Brown.
sounds like a lawsuit w/ Lego sooner than later if a "easily breaks/sharp
edges" warning regarding reddish brown parts isn't displayed on packages
with that color parts.
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The era of Brittle Brown was roughly 2009-2016, with the issue being fixed by
2018 (IIRC), so I highly doubt that there will be a lawsuit. If that were going
to happen, it already would have, as very few children are playing with bricks
from the Brittle Brown era (one born at the end would already be around 5!).
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | PlanetEarthToys | | Posted: | Jun 30, 2023 05:17 | | Subject: | Re: 100% failure rate | | Viewed: | 70 times | | Topic: | Problem | |
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| In Problem, DeLuca writes:
| | In Problem, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | In Problem, cosmicray writes:
| | This afternoon I decided to part out 12 copies of 70111. In it is this part
Just on a whim, and possibly because I once before witnessed a Furty torso crack
(also from a 70111-1), I gave the plate a rotational flex. Nothing severe, pretty
mild flex. It snapped immediately. So I checked the other 11. They all snapped,
some with more flex, some with barely any flex at all. We are all aware of the
brittle parts from that era. This is the most extreme example I have seen. If
you have any of that part in your inventory, in that color, and there is a chance
it is from that era, pull them out and give them a flex. Listen closely. If they
are about to snap, you will hear a sound of plastic sheering from itself just
before it goes. One of them actually sent shrapnel flying when it went, but did
not hit me. Obviously those will not be listed for sale, but I might think of
a way to work them into a MOC.
Nita Rae
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regardles of a choking hazard, a 4 year old could easily jab 1 of those in his
eye... or prison shank 5 year old Timmy who stole his feather collection....
yikes on Reddish Brown.
sounds like a lawsuit w/ Lego sooner than later if a "easily breaks/sharp
edges" warning regarding reddish brown parts isn't displayed on packages
with that color parts.
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The era of Brittle Brown was roughly 2009-2016, with the issue being fixed by
2018 (IIRC), so I highly doubt that there will be a lawsuit. If that were going
to happen, it already would have, as very few children are playing with bricks
from the Brittle Brown era (one born at the end would already be around 5!).
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whew!
good thing there isn't any possible way for children to get ahold of those
brittle browns these days..
i mean, imagine is people were reselling them on a website to people who have
kids currently.
... oh.. wait
um..
yeahhhhhhhh
*facepalm
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| | | | | | | Author: | cosmicray | | Posted: | Jun 30, 2023 08:09 | | Subject: | Re: 100% failure rate | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Problem | |
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| In Problem, PlanetEarthToys writes:
| | In Problem, cosmicray writes:
| | This afternoon I decided to part out 12 copies of 70111. In it is this part
Just on a whim, and possibly because I once before witnessed a Furty torso crack
(also from a 70111-1), I gave the plate a rotational flex. Nothing severe, pretty
mild flex. It snapped immediately. So I checked the other 11. They all snapped,
some with more flex, some with barely any flex at all. We are all aware of the
brittle parts from that era. This is the most extreme example I have seen. If
you have any of that part in your inventory, in that color, and there is a chance
it is from that era, pull them out and give them a flex. Listen closely. If they
are about to snap, you will hear a sound of plastic sheering from itself just
before it goes. One of them actually sent shrapnel flying when it went, but did
not hit me. Obviously those will not be listed for sale, but I might think of
a way to work them into a MOC.
Nita Rae
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regardles of a choking hazard, a 4 year old could easily jab 1 of those in his
eye... or prison shank 5 year old Timmy who stole his feather collection....
yikes on Reddish Brown.
sounds like a lawsuit w/ Lego sooner than later if a "easily breaks/sharp
edges" warning regarding reddish brown parts isn't displayed on packages
with that color parts.
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Any additional copies of 70111-1 have been withdrawn from sale. They will, as
time permits, be parted out (and the dangerous parts removed from trade). I have
a few other Ninjango sets, which I will also withdraw. But the problem is likely
specific to that period of time. My own anecdotal suspicion is that it is specific
to a batch/batches/supplier of pigments. That is about the time that TLG switched
from using pre-colored ABS pellets to neutral pellets and mixing the pigment
at melt/injection time. The problem did not exhibit itself until some number
of years passed, and certain colors became more fragile. Thus far, I am aware
of reddish-brown (the part that started this thread), certain usages of dark
brown, and dark red (from a SW set). The common factor is date of manufacture.
It is possible, although I have nothing to prove this, that a specific facility
may be the focus, but don’t put much faith in that.
Nita Rae
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | macebobo | | Posted: | Jun 30, 2023 12:10 | | Subject: | Re: 100% failure rate | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Problem | |
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| In Problem, Shiny_Stuff writes:
This was at least an hour long rabbit hole for me to explore, thank you for sharing
the link.
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| | | | | Author: | uvt203 | | Posted: | Jun 30, 2023 06:41 | | Subject: | Re: 100% failure rate | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Problem | |
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| I recommend to call TLG costumer service and get them to send you 12 new ones
- they should be from the improved production.
/Asger
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| | | | | Author: | cosmicray | | Posted: | Jun 30, 2023 07:59 | | Subject: | Re: 100% failure rate | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Problem | |
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| In Problem, cosmicray writes:
| | This afternoon I decided to part out 12 copies of 70111. In it is this part
Just on a whim, and possibly because I once before witnessed a Furty torso crack
(also from a 70111-1), I gave the plate a rotational flex. Nothing severe, pretty
mild flex. It snapped immediately. So I checked the other 11. They all snapped,
some with more flex, some with barely any flex at all. We are all aware of the
brittle parts from that era. This is the most extreme example I have seen. If
you have any of that part in your inventory, in that color, and there is a chance
it is from that era, pull them out and give them a flex. Listen closely. If they
are about to snap, you will hear a sound of plastic sheering from itself just
before it goes. One of them actually sent shrapnel flying when it went, but did
not hit me. Obviously those will not be listed for sale, but I might think of
a way to work them into a MOC.
Nita Rae
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An update on the situation with this parting out …
As I mentioned above, my initial decision to look closer at these parts was triggered
by an incident (about a year back) involving this minifig …
For each of the 12 minifigs, I inserted and removed the hips/legs into the torso
(which is a printed dark brown color). Of the 12, 4 cracked upon initial insertion.
The remaining 8 (complete mini figures) will be listed with a warning/disclaimer
concerning the possibility of them cracking in the future. For the plates, there
may be other sources, the minifig is unique. For the 4 that cracked, I will list
the arms, hands, head, tail, hips/legs separately as I have time to do so.
Nita Rae
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| | | | | | | Author: | runner.caller | | Posted: | Jun 30, 2023 08:36 | | Subject: | Re: 100% failure rate | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Problem | |
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| In Problem, cosmicray writes:
| | In Problem, cosmicray writes:
| | This afternoon I decided to part out 12 copies of 70111. In it is this part
Just on a whim, and possibly because I once before witnessed a Furty torso crack
(also from a 70111-1), I gave the plate a rotational flex. Nothing severe, pretty
mild flex. It snapped immediately. So I checked the other 11. They all snapped,
some with more flex, some with barely any flex at all. We are all aware of the
brittle parts from that era. This is the most extreme example I have seen. If
you have any of that part in your inventory, in that color, and there is a chance
it is from that era, pull them out and give them a flex. Listen closely. If they
are about to snap, you will hear a sound of plastic sheering from itself just
before it goes. One of them actually sent shrapnel flying when it went, but did
not hit me. Obviously those will not be listed for sale, but I might think of
a way to work them into a MOC.
Nita Rae
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An update on the situation with this parting out …
As I mentioned above, my initial decision to look closer at these parts was triggered
by an incident (about a year back) involving this minifig …
For each of the 12 minifigs, I inserted and removed the hips/legs into the torso
(which is a printed dark brown color). Of the 12, 4 cracked upon initial insertion.
The remaining 8 (complete mini figures) will be listed with a warning/disclaimer
concerning the possibility of them cracking in the future. For the plates, there
may be other sources, the minifig is unique. For the 4 that cracked, I will list
the arms, hands, head, tail, hips/legs separately as I have time to do so.
Nita Rae
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Of course they produced the best theme figs (lotr) during the worst time (this
era).
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Nubs_Select | | Posted: | Jun 30, 2023 12:47 | | Subject: | Re: 100% failure rate | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Problem | |
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| | | Of course they produced the best theme figs (lotr) during the worst time (this
era).
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Indeed at least it seems like not all copies of the figures were affected
so with enough searching (at least for some) good copies can still be found
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| | | | | Author: | wahiggin | | Posted: | Jun 30, 2023 10:47 | | Subject: | Re: 100% failure rate | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Problem | |
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| In Problem, cosmicray writes:
| | This afternoon I decided to part out 12 copies of 70111. In it is this part
Just on a whim, and possibly because I once before witnessed a Furty torso crack
(also from a 70111-1), I gave the plate a rotational flex. Nothing severe, pretty
mild flex. It snapped immediately. So I checked the other 11. They all snapped,
some with more flex, some with barely any flex at all. We are all aware of the
brittle parts from that era. This is the most extreme example I have seen. If
you have any of that part in your inventory, in that color, and there is a chance
it is from that era, pull them out and give them a flex. Listen closely. If they
are about to snap, you will hear a sound of plastic sheering from itself just
before it goes. One of them actually sent shrapnel flying when it went, but did
not hit me. Obviously those will not be listed for sale, but I might think of
a way to work them into a MOC.
Nita Rae
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I've been doing the same test for my brown parts before listing them. I
think I have almost a gallon bag of broken brown parts...ugh.
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| | | | | Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Jun 30, 2023 10:51 | | Subject: | Re: 100% failure rate | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Problem | |
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| In Problem, cosmicray writes:
| | This afternoon I decided to part out 12 copies of 70111. In it is this part
Just on a whim, and possibly because I once before witnessed a Furty torso crack
(also from a 70111-1), I gave the plate a rotational flex. Nothing severe, pretty
mild flex. It snapped immediately. So I checked the other 11. They all snapped,
some with more flex, some with barely any flex at all. We are all aware of the
brittle parts from that era. This is the most extreme example I have seen. If
you have any of that part in your inventory, in that color, and there is a chance
it is from that era, pull them out and give them a flex. Listen closely. If they
are about to snap, you will hear a sound of plastic sheering from itself just
before it goes. One of them actually sent shrapnel flying when it went, but did
not hit me. Obviously those will not be listed for sale, but I might think of
a way to work them into a MOC.
Nita Rae
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I am sorting through a bunch of my son's older sets at this time, and I am
finding a lot of shattered Reddish Brown parts. It is disappointing.
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| | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jun 30, 2023 13:15 | | Subject: | Re: 100% failure rate | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Problem | |
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| In Problem, cosmicray writes:
| | This afternoon I decided to part out 12 copies of 70111. In it is this part
Just on a whim, and possibly because I once before witnessed a Furty torso crack
(also from a 70111-1), I gave the plate a rotational flex. Nothing severe, pretty
mild flex. It snapped immediately. So I checked the other 11. They all snapped,
some with more flex, some with barely any flex at all. We are all aware of the
brittle parts from that era. This is the most extreme example I have seen. If
you have any of that part in your inventory, in that color, and there is a chance
it is from that era, pull them out and give them a flex. Listen closely. If they
are about to snap, you will hear a sound of plastic sheering from itself just
before it goes. One of them actually sent shrapnel flying when it went, but did
not hit me. Obviously those will not be listed for sale, but I might think of
a way to work them into a MOC.
Nita Rae
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The way they are laid out makes it look like a really sad art project. Or planks
from a dangerous rope bridge.
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| | | | | Author: | tec | | Posted: | Jul 2, 2023 12:01 | | Subject: | Re: 100% failure rate | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Problem | |
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| | but did you notice if that brown is a bit off? |
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| | | | | | | Author: | cosmicray | | Posted: | Jul 2, 2023 12:23 | | Subject: | Re: 100% failure rate | | Viewed: | 45 times | | Topic: | Problem | |
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| In Problem, tec writes:
| | but did you notice if that brown is a bit off?
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Odd that you should ask that. At a glance, it seems a bit lighter than usual
(for Red-Brown). I’ll have to compare it to other Red-Brown parts to confirm
that.
Nita Rae
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| | | | | Author: | wildchicken13 | | Posted: | Jul 4, 2023 16:16 | | Subject: | Re: 100% failure rate | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Problem | |
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| In Problem, cosmicray writes:
When I first saw the title, I thought you were talking about me.
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