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 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
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BrickLink: Are you really sure you want to start adding these to the catalog?

[S=5006628-1]
[S=5006657-1]

There are dozens (if not hundreds) of these classroom packs dating back to at
least the 1990s. They are not secret and were not given BL catalog entries.
The only exceptions ever made were for four of these:

 
Set No: 9640  Name: Gear Classroom Pack (Gears Class Pack)
* 
9640-1 (Inv) Gear Classroom Pack (Gears Class Pack)
12 Sets, 1 Book, 1 Gear, 1994
Sets: Educational & Dacta: Technic

Those four were only allowed, I believe, because of their unique packaging.
But if you want a bunch of catalog entries that no one uses for set combinations
that no one has, then I have a bunch of older LEGO Education catalogs and I can
certainly help out.

Item 7 on the Abandoned Catalog Roadmap™ (ACR) was to reduce some of the existing
unnecessary content of similar type. This request is for someone to clarify the
unwritten policy that has traditionally not allowed these kinds of classroom
packs.
 Author: crazylegoman View Messages Posted By crazylegoman
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In Catalog Requests, StormChaser writes:
  BrickLink: Are you really sure you want to start adding these to the catalog?

I am only 1 person, but for what it's worth, no, I do not want
these added to the catalog. They appear to be set combinations, so I believe
that the best route would be to add notes to the individual sets letting people
know that they have been known to be packaged and sold with [whatever set #]
at some point in time.

David
 Author: Nubs_Select View Messages Posted By Nubs_Select
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To me if it was released by LEGO it should get a spot on bricklink although I’m
not sure if I’m missing something
 Author: DeLuca View Messages Posted By DeLuca
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In Catalog Requests, Nubs_Select writes:
  To me if it was released by LEGO it should get a spot on bricklink although I’m not sure if I’m missing something


Same. 👍
 Author: WoutR View Messages Posted By WoutR
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In Catalog Requests, Nubs_Select writes:
  To me if it was released by LEGO it should get a spot on bricklink although I’m
not sure if I’m missing something

+1
If it is in their catalogs, it should be in ours also.
 Author: crazylegoman View Messages Posted By crazylegoman
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In Catalog Requests, Nubs_Select writes:
  To me if it was released by LEGO it should get a spot on bricklink although I’m
not sure if I’m missing something

But why include it if no one is ever going to list it for sale? The purpose
of the BL catalog is to compile items that sellers can list for sale, not to
be a library of TLC's merchandising history. If, as StormChaser says, they
are catalog entries that no one uses for set combinations that no one has, then
they are pointless to add to the catalog.

David
 Author: Nubs_Select View Messages Posted By Nubs_Select
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In Catalog, crazylegoman writes:
  In Catalog Requests, Nubs_Select writes:
  To me if it was released by LEGO it should get a spot on bricklink although I’m
not sure if I’m missing something

But why include it if no one is ever going to list it for sale? The purpose
of the BL catalog is to compile items that sellers can list for sale, not to
be a library of TLC's merchandising history. If, as StormChaser says, they
are catalog entries that no one uses for set combinations that no one has, then
they are pointless to add to the catalog.

David

Although not many will sell it one of bricklinks purposes is to be the best LEGO
database in the world so things are added even if they aren’t likely to sell
super often
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 Author: crazylegoman View Messages Posted By crazylegoman
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In Catalog, Nubs_Select writes:
  Although not many will sell it one of bricklinks purposes is to be the best LEGO
database in the world so things are added even if they aren’t likely to sell
super often

Says who? According to the catalog help page, "The database is structured with
catalog entries that can be used to list items for sale and populate wanted lists."

If no one ever lists an item for sale, it does not help to have it in the catalog.
If someone puts something on their wanted list that never gets listed for sale,
it does not help to have it in the catalog.

Now if someone actually does have a rare item to sell, then by all means, allow
that item in the catalog. If even 1 person in the world has it, allow it in.
However, if StormChaser's assessment is correct, and those set combinations
are ones that no one has, then adding them to the catalog makes the catalog needlessly
cluttered, which does not help anything.

It seems that you are looking at the catalog with the perspective of being completist
solely for the sake of being completist, and I am against that. I think we should
instead strive for efficiency in the catalog.

David
 Author: Nubs_Select View Messages Posted By Nubs_Select
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In Catalog, crazylegoman writes:
  In Catalog, Nubs_Select writes:
  Although not many will sell it one of bricklinks purposes is to be the best LEGO
database in the world so things are added even if they aren’t likely to sell
super often

Says who? According to the catalog help page, "The database is structured with
catalog entries that can be used to list items for sale and populate wanted lists."

If no one ever lists an item for sale, it does not help to have it in the catalog.
If someone puts something on their wanted list that never gets listed for sale,
it does not help to have it in the catalog.

Now if someone actually does have a rare item to sell, then by all means, allow
that item in the catalog. If even 1 person in the world has it, allow it in.
However, if StormChaser's assessment is correct, and those set combinations
are ones that no one has, then adding them to the catalog makes the catalog needlessly
cluttered, which does not help anything.

It seems that you are looking at the catalog with the perspective of being completist
solely for the sake of being completist, and I am against that. I think we should
instead strive for efficiency in the catalog.

David

There are many people who don’t buy or sell on bricklink but use it for finding
out many sets/gear there are or how sets a certain item came in and would find
it interesting to see entries for very rare and obsolete items that can’t be
found on any other site. As someone who often spends many hours unsuccessfully
trying to find very onscure things for some of my collections I would be very
happy if their was a site I could look at that didn’t only look at how many people
had it for sale but if it ever existed/was released to any extent. That being
said it’s not something that should be on the top of the priority list but as
information about them is found it can be added to improve the overall catalogue
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
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In Catalog, crazylegoman writes:
  In Catalog, Nubs_Select writes:
  Although not many will sell it one of bricklinks purposes is to be the best LEGO
database in the world so things are added even if they aren’t likely to sell
super often

Says who? According to the catalog help page, "The database is structured with
catalog entries that can be used to list items for sale and populate wanted lists."

If no one ever lists an item for sale, it does not help to have it in the catalog.
If someone puts something on their wanted list that never gets listed for sale,
it does not help to have it in the catalog.

Now if someone actually does have a rare item to sell, then by all means, allow
that item in the catalog. If even 1 person in the world has it, allow it in.
However, if StormChaser's assessment is correct, and those set combinations
are ones that no one has, then adding them to the catalog makes the catalog needlessly
cluttered, which does not help anything.

It seems that you are looking at the catalog with the perspective of being completist
solely for the sake of being completist, and I am against that. I think we should
instead strive for efficiency in the catalog.

David


From the "Adding Catalog Items" help page:

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=71


Under section "Guidelines for adding items to the catalog:":

10. Set Collections or "Kits" - Please limit submissions of multi-set Set entries
to ways that the LEGO Group itself is known to have packaged and distributed
such things, including sets released as promotional items through other companies.


I don't see why these entries are even being questioned.

Cheers,
Randy
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In Catalog, crazylegoman writes:
  In Catalog Requests, Nubs_Select writes:
  To me if it was released by LEGO it should get a spot on bricklink although I’m
not sure if I’m missing something

But why include it if no one is ever going to list it for sale? The purpose
of the BL catalog is to compile items that sellers can list for sale, not to
be a library of TLC's merchandising history. If, as StormChaser says, they
are catalog entries that no one uses for set combinations that no one has, then
they are pointless to add to the catalog.


I guess you haven't browsed through the Gear section of the catalog in a
while. You might want to give it a look.
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
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  BrickLink: Are you really sure you want to start adding these to the catalog?

[S=5006628-1]
[S=5006657-1]


I did not add either of those to the catalog, but I agree with them having been
added. I see no difference between those above and many other "sets" that are
already in the catalog. For example:

 
Set No: 2856089  Name: Hero Factory 2.0 Collection
* 
2856089-1 (Inv) Hero Factory 2.0 Collection
6 Sets, 2011
Sets: Hero Factory: Heroes
 
Set No: 5003808  Name: MIXELS Series 2 Collection
* 
5003808-1 (Inv) MIXELS Series 2 Collection
9 Sets, 2014
Sets: MIXELS: MIXELS Series 2
 
Set No: 5004192  Name: Minecraft Collection
* 
5004192-1 (Inv) Minecraft Collection
4 Sets, 2014
Sets: Minecraft
 
Set No: 5004465  Name: Protector of Stone - Power Up
* 
5004465-1 (Inv) Protector of Stone - Power Up
2 Sets, 2015
Sets: BIONICLE
 
Set No: 5004809  Name: Friends Pop Star Collection
* 
5004809-1 (Inv) Friends Pop Star Collection
4 Sets, 2015
Sets: Friends


or

 
Set No: K3225  Name: Classic Train Kit
* 
K3225-1 (Inv) Classic Train Kit
5 Sets, 1999
Sets: Train: 9V
 
Set No: K4101  Name: Bugbot Kit
* 
K4101-1 (Inv) Bugbot Kit
2 Sets, 2003
Sets: Designer Sets
 
Set No: K4795  Name: Alpha Team Mission Deep Sea Kit
* 
K4795-1 (Inv) Alpha Team Mission Deep Sea Kit
3 Sets, 2002
Sets: Alpha Team: Mission Deep Sea
 
Set No: K6290  Name: Classic Pirates Kit
* 
K6290-1 (Inv) Classic Pirates Kit
3 Sets, 2001
Sets: Pirates: Pirates I
 
Set No: K8564  Name: Ultimate Bohrok Swarm Kit
* 
K8564-1 (Inv) Ultimate Bohrok Swarm Kit
12 Sets, 2002
Sets: BIONICLE

Someone you know very well added a lot of those to the catalog.

Cheers,
Randy
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In Catalog Requests, randy_f writes:
  I don't see why these entries are even being questioned.

I recognize that. It is my fault for not explaining more thoroughly. I wonder
from your responses if you believed my questioning the decision was directed
at you personally. No, it was not directed at you or any specific person. Allow
me to explain more fully and clear up the confusion.


The Decision
Long ago, in the years before you joined BrickLink, a decision was made to not
allow LEGO Education / Dacta set combinations, AKA classroom packs, into the
catalog (provided, of course, that those sets contained no new items not already
available).

This decision was not written down in the catalog guidelines, which is why you
weren't aware of it. But as proof I offer the fact that these dozens (if
not hundreds) of "sets" are not in the catalog. Those are not accidental omissions
from the database.


Making Exceptions
Five exceptions were made because the sets either had unique packaging or a unique
item.


Reversing the Decision
On January 20th, 2021, someone at BrickLink decided to reverse that unwritten
rule and begin allowing these kinds of sets into the catalog. A total of exactly
two sets have been added since that time and the present moment: 5006628-1 and
5006657-1.

An excellent question you could've asked me is why I didn't catch that
set being added at the time. I was a CA at that time. The answer is that I
don't remember why I didn't catch it then. I probably simply missed
seeing it.


My Forum Catalog Request for Clarification
Based on my knowledge of the unwritten rule and my knowledge of LEGO Education
products, I questioned if BL were quite sure they wanted to reverse the decision
made all those years ago. There was confusion when you thought I was talking
about non-educational set combinations and you listed 10 examples of those.

Yes, some of these sets were added by Dan, Ronald, Marek, and myself. And Maggie
added K10158-1. These additions to the catalog do not prove anything except
that non-educational sets were not included in the decision mentioned above.


Discarding my Request
I specifically stated in my original post:

"This request is for someone to clarify the unwritten policy that has traditionally
not allowed these kinds of classroom packs."


My request for clarification was marked Discarded, presumably meaning that no
one was willing to give an official response.

But even though my request was marked Discarded, you did fulfill my request.
For that I thank you. You clarified the BrickLink has officially rescinded
the unwritten rule and that LEGO educational set combinations may now be added
to the catalog (pursuant, of course, to the catalog rule you posted).

I will begin submitting these "lost" sets to the catalog. After your response,
I can now be certain that the effort won't be wasted since they'll all
be approved. Thank you for your assistance in this matter, Randy.



p.s. If we're taking a vote, I don't think classroom pack "sets" should
be added. I think the original decision was correct, even though it should've
been put into writing. I'm as completionist as anyone, but BrickLink lost
the ability to claim completeness when TLG corporate suits started getting involved
in what is and isn't in the BrickLink catalog. An example:

[P=liftarm02]

These classroom packs don't really add anything meaningful to the hobby or
the catalog, a judgment that cannot fairly or equally be applied to non-educational
set combinations.

p.p.s. There is a growing list of knowledgeable former administrators who have
been discarded by BrickLink. This is why it's important to document catalog
guidelines in writing - and why I pushed so hard for maintaining detailed written
guidelines. I urge you to continue that fight, lest you find your own catalog
work tossed aside one day by people who don't even understand it because
it was never written down.

p.p.p.s. Another excellent question you could ask me is why I never wrote that
rule into the guidelines. The answer is that BrickLink did not allow me to update
the page that should've included it.
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In Catalog Requests, StormChaser writes:
  In Catalog Requests, randy_f writes:
  I don't see why these entries are even being questioned.

I recognize that. It is my fault for not explaining more thoroughly. I wonder
from your responses if you believed my questioning the decision was directed
at you personally. No, it was not directed at you or any specific person. Allow
me to explain more fully and clear up the confusion.


I did not take the message personally.


  The Decision
Long ago, in the years before you joined BrickLink, a decision was made to not
allow LEGO Education / Dacta set combinations, AKA classroom packs, into the
catalog (provided, of course, that those sets contained no new items not already
available).

This decision was not written down in the catalog guidelines, which is why you
weren't aware of it. But as proof I offer the fact that these dozens (if
not hundreds) of "sets" are not in the catalog. Those are not accidental omissions
from the database.


You are right. I did not know this. I guess a bigger discussion needs to be had
with the rest of the admins and the site before we progress on this.


  Making Exceptions
Five exceptions were made because the sets either had unique packaging or a unique
item.


I did not know this, either.


  Reversing the Decision
On January 20th, 2021, someone at BrickLink decided to reverse that unwritten
rule and begin allowing these kinds of sets into the catalog. A total of exactly
two sets have been added since that time and the present moment: 5006628-1 and
5006657-1.

An excellent question you could've asked me is why I didn't catch that
set being added at the time. I was a CA at that time. The answer is that I
don't remember why I didn't catch it then. I probably simply missed
seeing it.


Okay. I see what you are getting at now.


  My Forum Catalog Request for Clarification
Based on my knowledge of the unwritten rule and my knowledge of LEGO Education
products, I questioned if BL were quite sure they wanted to reverse the decision
made all those years ago. There was confusion when you thought I was talking
about non-educational set combinations and you listed 10 examples of those.


I am sorry for the misunderstanding. I did not know there was a difference in
how educational and non-educational sets were handled in the past.


  Yes, some of these sets were added by Dan, Ronald, Marek, and myself. And Maggie
added K10158-1. These additions to the catalog do not prove anything except
that non-educational sets were not included in the decision mentioned above.


Discarding my Request
I specifically stated in my original post:

"This request is for someone to clarify the unwritten policy that has traditionally
not allowed these kinds of classroom packs."


My request for clarification was marked Discarded, presumably meaning that no
one was willing to give an official response.


I thought it was a non-issue at the time, so I discarded the request. I realize
now that I did not know the full history of the issue and misunderstood the
request.


  But even though my request was marked Discarded, you did fulfill my request.
For that I thank you. You clarified the BrickLink has officially rescinded
the unwritten rule and that LEGO educational set combinations may now be added
to the catalog (pursuant, of course, to the catalog rule you posted).


That was my personal opinion of the matter with the knowledge that I had and
the guidelines I had before me. Based on your information, I guess an official
answer was never really included in anything. I will have to seek out one now.



  I will begin submitting these "lost" sets to the catalog. After your response,
I can now be certain that the effort won't be wasted since they'll all
be approved. Thank you for your assistance in this matter, Randy.


Thank you for wanting to contribute again. Unfortunately, I will have to ask
you to pause on this effort while I get clarification from the site regarding
an "official" stance on this. Hopefully, we can get this in place shortly. If
needed, we will have to update the help pages and guidelines. If the site wants
to go in the other direction, we will begin accepting them. I will let you know
as soon as possible.


  p.s. If we're taking a vote, I don't think classroom pack "sets" should
be added. I think the original decision was correct, even though it should've
been put into writing. I'm as completionist as anyone, but BrickLink lost
the ability to claim completeness when TLG corporate suits started getting involved
in what is and isn't in the BrickLink catalog. An example:


Your opinion has been noted, and I will include it in my inquiry.


  [P=liftarm02]

These classroom packs don't really add anything meaningful to the hobby or
the catalog, a judgment that cannot fairly or equally be applied to non-educational
set combinations.


I don't completely agree with that statement, but this issue will be out
of my hands from here onward.


  p.p.s. There is a growing list of knowledgeable former administrators who have
been discarded by BrickLink. This is why it's important to document catalog
guidelines in writing - and why I pushed so hard for maintaining detailed written
guidelines. I urge you to continue that fight, lest you find your own catalog
work tossed aside one day by people who don't even understand it because
it was never written down.


We update what we can when we have the time or need.


  p.p.p.s. Another excellent question you could ask me is why I never wrote that
rule into the guidelines. The answer is that BrickLink did not allow me to update
the page that should've included it.


Well, let's see if we can finally get an answer to this.

Cheers,
Randy
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Got us off to a lovely start! Images also uploaded for each new set.

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Turez (43)

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I did not know of that unwritten policy when I approved 5006657.

Now that I see how many classroom packs there are and how the catalog entries
would look like, I think a decision by the whole admin team is needed here. I
have changed this request to open again and would like to ask you not to submit
any more of these sets in the meantime.

In any case, thanks for bringing this to our attention.
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
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StormChaser (569)

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In Catalog Requests, Turez writes:
  I . . . would like to ask you not to submit any more of these sets in the meantime.

In Catalog Requests, randy_f writes:
  I will have to ask you to pause on this effort while I get clarification

Gentlemen, thank you for your prompt responses. I will not submit any additional
classroom packs until I hear further. The ones I submitted were just a handful
(not all) from the first catalog I looked at.

As additional information, not only did LEGO Education mix and match these combinations
in many ways, but they had a whole slew of international partners who did the
same. And both the company and its partners used a variety of different item
numbering schemes for these products. And then there are instances of LEGO and
non-LEGO items packaged and sold together.

It would be nice if educational catalogs were scanned and placed online for all
to see. That seems like a perfect compromise between cataloging classroom packs
and ignoring them.

I approached Brickset about this, since they already have a section of their
site devoted to catalog scans. Unfortunately, I didn't get much encouragement
that my catalog collection would be hosted on their site. It would've cost
me around $1,000 to have the catalogs professionally scanned, and I'm not
going to waste money like that without knowing the scans would have a home.
 Author: Huw View Messages Posted By Huw
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Huw (473)

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In Catalog Requests, StormChaser writes:

  I approached Brickset about this, since they already have a section of their
site devoted to catalog scans. Unfortunately, I didn't get much encouragement
that my catalog collection would be hosted on their site. It would've cost
me around $1,000 to have the catalogs professionally scanned, and I'm not
going to waste money like that without knowing the scans would have a home.

Sorry if I gave that impression. I would happily host them although I would not
advocate spending $1000 to have them scanned!

Huw
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 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
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In Catalog Requests, Huw writes:
  In Catalog Requests, StormChaser writes:

  I approached Brickset about this, since they already have a section of their
site devoted to catalog scans. Unfortunately, I didn't get much encouragement
that my catalog collection would be hosted on their site. It would've cost
me around $1,000 to have the catalogs professionally scanned, and I'm not
going to waste money like that without knowing the scans would have a home.

Sorry if I gave that impression. I would happily host them although I would not
advocate spending $1000 to have them scanned!

Huw


Nice! I love seeing the LEGO community work together!
 Author: randyf View Messages Posted By randyf
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In Catalog Requests, StormChaser writes:
  BrickLink: Are you really sure you want to start adding these to the catalog?

[S=5006628-1]
[S=5006657-1]

There are dozens (if not hundreds) of these classroom packs dating back to at
least the 1990s. They are not secret and were not given BL catalog entries.
The only exceptions ever made were for four of these:

 
Set No: 9640  Name: Gear Classroom Pack (Gears Class Pack)
* 
9640-1 (Inv) Gear Classroom Pack (Gears Class Pack)
12 Sets, 1 Book, 1 Gear, 1994
Sets: Educational & Dacta: Technic

Those four were only allowed, I believe, because of their unique packaging.
But if you want a bunch of catalog entries that no one uses for set combinations
that no one has, then I have a bunch of older LEGO Education catalogs and I can
certainly help out.

Item 7 on the Abandoned Catalog Roadmap™ (ACR) was to reduce some of the existing
unnecessary content of similar type. This request is for someone to clarify the
unwritten policy that has traditionally not allowed these kinds of classroom
packs.


I just wanted to jump in quickly to let you know that we have reached a unanimous
consensus from the catalog admin team regarding this issue. We are now finalizing
the implementation of that decision. Once everything is in place, I will let
you know what we are going to do to move forward.

Cheers,
Randy
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In Catalog Requests, randy_f writes:
  In Catalog Requests, StormChaser writes:
  BrickLink: Are you really sure you want to start adding these to the catalog?

[S=5006628-1]
[S=5006657-1]

There are dozens (if not hundreds) of these classroom packs dating back to at
least the 1990s. They are not secret and were not given BL catalog entries.
The only exceptions ever made were for four of these:

 
Set No: 9640  Name: Gear Classroom Pack (Gears Class Pack)
* 
9640-1 (Inv) Gear Classroom Pack (Gears Class Pack)
12 Sets, 1 Book, 1 Gear, 1994
Sets: Educational & Dacta: Technic

Those four were only allowed, I believe, because of their unique packaging.
But if you want a bunch of catalog entries that no one uses for set combinations
that no one has, then I have a bunch of older LEGO Education catalogs and I can
certainly help out.

Item 7 on the Abandoned Catalog Roadmap™ (ACR) was to reduce some of the existing
unnecessary content of similar type. This request is for someone to clarify the
unwritten policy that has traditionally not allowed these kinds of classroom
packs.


I just wanted to jump in quickly to let you know that we have reached a unanimous
consensus from the catalog admin team regarding this issue. We are now finalizing
the implementation of that decision. Once everything is in place, I will let
you know what we are going to do to move forward.

Cheers,
Randy


Hello again!

The decision that the catalog admin team reached was that Dacta or Education
collections (e.g. classroom packs) will only be added to the reference catalog
if they contain unique LEGO-produced items that can only be obtained with the
collections (e.g. teacher guides or storage cases).

This guideline has been officially added to the Adding Catalog Items help
page under point 10. Set Collections or "Kits":

https://www.bricklink.com/help.asp?helpID=71#guidelines

Due to this decision, sets
[s=5006628-1]
and
[s=5006657-1]
will be removed from the reference catalog.

Please go through the list of sets that you submitted recently to see if any
of those meet the above guideline. If they do, you may leave them for addition
to the reference catalog. If they do not, please remove them from the pending
items queue.

Cheers,
Randy