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| | | Author: | calsbricks  | | Posted: | Dec 9, 2021 00:19 | | Subject: | Not convinved this is correct | | Viewed: | 231 times | | Topic: | Problem | |
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| Had to place an order on an EU store yesterday knowing full well that we would
have to pay VAT on it. The order was of small value so the VAT wasn't going
to be significant. The store had an onsite payment method (Paypal). Order placed,
shipping costs agreed and normal Bricklink invoice received from store. That
invoice had a link on it to pay via PAYpal onsite which we used - okay fine,
Moments after making the payment a Bricklink VAT invoice arrived - this is where
it gets cloudy, that invoice (BL's) shows an invoice amount fine - but no
where does it show what we paid. Surely this invoice should be a sales receipt
otherwise what proof do I have that we paid the VAT?
It really does not appear that this was all thought through. The customer should
always have proof of payment and by calling the Bricklink invoice which is the
VAT invoice as being paid that would suffice, otherwise C&E have every right
to question it at arrival. They are not interested in an invoice they want to
know the VAT has been paid. .
Are we not reading this right?
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| | | | | Author: | calsbricks | | Posted: | Dec 9, 2021 03:27 | | Subject: | Re: Not convinved this is correct | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | Problem | |
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| In Problem, calsbricks writes:
| | Had to place an order on an EU store yesterday knowing full well that we would
have to pay VAT on it. The order was of small value so the VAT wasn't going
to be significant. The store had an onsite payment method (Paypal). Order placed,
shipping costs agreed and normal Bricklink invoice received from store. That
invoice had a link on it to pay via PAYpal onsite which we used - okay fine,
Moments after making the payment a Bricklink VAT invoice arrived - this is where
it gets cloudy, that invoice (BL's) shows an invoice amount fine - but no
where does it show what we paid. Surely this invoice should be a sales receipt
otherwise what proof do I have that we paid the VAT?
It really does not appear that this was all thought through. The customer should
always have proof of payment and by calling the Bricklink invoice which is the
VAT invoice as being paid that would suffice, otherwise C&E have every right
to question it at arrival. They are not interested in an invoice they want to
know the VAT has been paid. .
Are we not reading this right?
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Allright a bit more research and the invoice is fine. That is not the issue whether
it is marked as paid or not. The issue is how does the seller tell customs that
they have accounted for the VAT. Theory is they fill out the CN22b and include
Bricklinks GB VAT ID on it ? That then tells C&E where the vat has been dealt
with. What a convoluted mess, with or without Brexit. Do they actually pay these
people to come up with these hair brained schemes (Not Bricklink, by the way
- they are just trying to implement this hair brained scheme)
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| | | | | | | Author: | StarBrick | | Posted: | Dec 9, 2021 03:52 | | Subject: | Re: Not convinved this is correct | | Viewed: | 69 times | | Topic: | Problem | |
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| In Problem, calsbricks writes:
| | with. What a convoluted mess, with or without Brexit. Do they actually pay these
people to come up with these hair brained schemes (Not Bricklink, by the way
- they are just trying to implement this hair brained scheme)
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Frustration noted, but it doesn't bring you into a better environment....
Actually, we make it possible to have these people paid to come up with these
schemes....
They are funded by OUR taxes, so indirectly when we stop paying taxes, these
people are no longer being paid for there brained scheme productions. However,
it takes about 55 steps in the system to get from your tax payments to these
people.
All these systems worldwide are broken or at the verge of breaking. As long as
we abide by these insane rules, insane schemes and insane solutions, these insane
systems will be held in place.
When we bring back understanding and logic that operates on a higher level and
not different logic for every lower level, we will gradually begin to see a change
for the better.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | calsbricks | | Posted: | Dec 9, 2021 03:59 | | Subject: | Re: Not convinved this is correct | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Problem | |
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| In Problem, StarBrick writes:
| | In Problem, calsbricks writes:
| | with. What a convoluted mess, with or without Brexit. Do they actually pay these
people to come up with these hair brained schemes (Not Bricklink, by the way
- they are just trying to implement this hair brained scheme)
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Frustration noted, but it doesn't bring you into a better environment....
Actually, we make it possible to have these people paid to come up with these
schemes....
They are funded by OUR taxes, so indirectly when we stop paying taxes, these
people are no longer being paid for there brained scheme productions. However,
it takes about 55 steps in the system to get from your tax payments to these
people.
All these systems worldwide are broken or at the verge of breaking. As long as
we abide by these insane rules, insane schemes and insane solutions, these insane
systems will be held in place.
When we bring back understanding and logic that operates on a higher level and
not different logic for every lower level, we will gradually begin to see a change
for the better.
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I wonder whose lifetime that will be in. Certainly not mine.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | calsbricks | | Posted: | Dec 9, 2021 04:13 | | Subject: | Re: Not convinved this is correct | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Problem | |
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| In Problem, StarBrick writes:
| | In Problem, calsbricks writes:
| | with. What a convoluted mess, with or without Brexit. Do they actually pay these
people to come up with these hair brained schemes (Not Bricklink, by the way
- they are just trying to implement this hair brained scheme)
|
Frustration noted, but it doesn't bring you into a better environment....
Actually, we make it possible to have these people paid to come up with these
schemes....
They are funded by OUR taxes, so indirectly when we stop paying taxes, these
people are no longer being paid for there brained scheme productions. However,
it takes about 55 steps in the system to get from your tax payments to these
people.
All these systems worldwide are broken or at the verge of breaking. As long as
we abide by these insane rules, insane schemes and insane solutions, these insane
systems will be held in place.
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One lingering question. A seller putting bl's gb vat id on a cn232b is open
to problems,, especially as you now have to put the business name and address
details on the cn22. To me that is not sensible and very much open to fraud.
How does the system deal with that, if it does at all?
| | When we bring back understanding and logic that operates on a higher level and
not different logic for every lower level, we will gradually begin to see a change
for the better.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | dcarmine | | Posted: | Dec 9, 2021 11:32 | | Subject: | Re: Not convinved this is correct | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Problem | |
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| In Problem, calsbricks writes:
| | In Problem, StarBrick writes:
| | In Problem, calsbricks writes:
| | with. What a convoluted mess, with or without Brexit. Do they actually pay these
people to come up with these hair brained schemes (Not Bricklink, by the way
- they are just trying to implement this hair brained scheme)
|
Frustration noted, but it doesn't bring you into a better environment....
Actually, we make it possible to have these people paid to come up with these
schemes....
They are funded by OUR taxes, so indirectly when we stop paying taxes, these
people are no longer being paid for there brained scheme productions. However,
it takes about 55 steps in the system to get from your tax payments to these
people.
All these systems worldwide are broken or at the verge of breaking. As long as
we abide by these insane rules, insane schemes and insane solutions, these insane
systems will be held in place.
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One lingering question. A seller putting bl's gb vat id on a cn232b is open
to problems,, especially as you now have to put the business name and address
details on the cn22. To me that is not sensible and very much open to fraud.
How does the system deal with that, if it does at all?
| | When we bring back understanding and logic that operates on a higher level and
not different logic for every lower level, we will gradually begin to see a change
for the better.
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I am not, in any way, fully understanding this system. But from listening to
others, the IOSS system is used to report the paid VAT to a database that can
be used by the receiving country to see if the VAT was paid on the sending side
of the transaction.
Maybe you can look that up and see if that is true.
HTH
Donna
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | calsbricks | | Posted: | Dec 9, 2021 12:36 | | Subject: | Re: Not convinved this is correct | | Viewed: | 69 times | | Topic: | Problem | |
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| In Problem, dcarmine writes:
| | In Problem, calsbricks writes:
| | In Problem, StarBrick writes:
| | In Problem, calsbricks writes:
| | with. What a convoluted mess, with or without Brexit. Do they actually pay these
people to come up with these hair brained schemes (Not Bricklink, by the way
- they are just trying to implement this hair brained scheme)
|
Frustration noted, but it doesn't bring you into a better environment....
Actually, we make it possible to have these people paid to come up with these
schemes....
They are funded by OUR taxes, so indirectly when we stop paying taxes, these
people are no longer being paid for there brained scheme productions. However,
it takes about 55 steps in the system to get from your tax payments to these
people.
All these systems worldwide are broken or at the verge of breaking. As long as
we abide by these insane rules, insane schemes and insane solutions, these insane
systems will be held in place.
|
One lingering question. A seller putting bl's gb vat id on a cn232b is open
to problems,, especially as you now have to put the business name and address
details on the cn22. To me that is not sensible and very much open to fraud.
How does the system deal with that, if it does at all?
| | When we bring back understanding and logic that operates on a higher level and
not different logic for every lower level, we will gradually begin to see a change
for the better.
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|
I am not, in any way, fully understanding this system. But from listening to
others, the IOSS system is used to report the paid VAT to a database that can
be used by the receiving country to see if the VAT was paid on the sending side
of the transaction.
Maybe you can look that up and see if that is true.
HTH
Donna
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Hi Donna
Thanks for the post. Will be talking to our local Postmaster tomorrow to see
what he knows. Will update then. Whatever the outcome of that it is still a mess
- not well thought out from a practical point of view and full of little loopholes
etc. It is, also in our opinion ripe for fraud.
There is in the UK at least a VAT registration database where one can check on
the validity of a number. I presume the same applies across the EU, but as for
world wide cooperation on a matter like this - no chance.
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