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 Author: samsam2 View Messages Posted By samsam2
 Posted: Sep 6, 2018 12:01
 Subject: Inventory Change Request for Set 9633-1
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Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 9633  Name: Advanced Air Power Set (Pneumatics II)
* 
9633-1 (Inv) Advanced Air Power Set (Pneumatics II)
211 Parts, 3 Books, 3 Gear, 1998
Sets: Educational & Dacta: Technic

* Add 1 Part 5102c15 Blue Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D. 15L / 12.0cm (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 5102c62 Blue Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D. 62L / 49.6cm (Counterpart)
* Add 2 Part 5102c06 Blue Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D. 6L / 4.8cm (Counterpart)
* Add 2 Part 5102c02 Blue Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D. 2L / 1.6cm (Counterpart)
* Add 2 Part 5102c14 Light Gray Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D. 14L / 11.2cm (Counterpart)
* Add 2 Part 5102c27 Light Gray Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D. 27L / 21.6cm (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 5102c30 Light Gray Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D. 30L / 24.0cm (Counterpart)
* Add 2 Part 5102c11 Black Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D. 11L / 8.8cm (Counterpart)
* Add 2 Part 5102c24 Black Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D. 24L / 19.2cm (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 5102c30 Black Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D. 30L / 24.0cm (Counterpart)
* Change 1 Part Black {5102c68 Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D. 68L / 54.4cm to 5102 Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D.}
* Change 1 Part Blue {5102c48 Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D. 48L / 38.4cm to 5102 Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D.}
* Change 1 Part Light Gray {5102c66 Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D. 66L / 52.8cm to 5102 Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D.}

Comments from Submitter:
cut pieces as directed from instructions.
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
 Posted: Sep 6, 2018 14:37
 Subject: Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 9633-1
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In Inventories Requests, samsam2 writes:
  Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 9633  Name: Advanced Air Power Set (Pneumatics II)
* 
9633-1 (Inv) Advanced Air Power Set (Pneumatics II)
211 Parts, 3 Books, 3 Gear, 1998
Sets: Educational & Dacta: Technic

* Add 1 Part 5102c15 Blue Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D. 15L / 12.0cm (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 5102c62 Blue Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D. 62L / 49.6cm (Counterpart)
* Add 2 Part 5102c06 Blue Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D. 6L / 4.8cm (Counterpart)
* Add 2 Part 5102c02 Blue Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D. 2L / 1.6cm (Counterpart)
* Add 2 Part 5102c14 Light Gray Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D. 14L / 11.2cm (Counterpart)
* Add 2 Part 5102c27 Light Gray Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D. 27L / 21.6cm (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 5102c30 Light Gray Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D. 30L / 24.0cm (Counterpart)
* Add 2 Part 5102c11 Black Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D. 11L / 8.8cm (Counterpart)
* Add 2 Part 5102c24 Black Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D. 24L / 19.2cm (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 5102c30 Black Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D. 30L / 24.0cm (Counterpart)
* Change 1 Part Black {5102c68 Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D. 68L / 54.4cm to 5102 Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D.}
* Change 1 Part Blue {5102c48 Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D. 48L / 38.4cm to 5102 Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D.}
* Change 1 Part Light Gray {5102c66 Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D. 66L / 52.8cm to 5102 Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D.}

Comments from Submitter:
cut pieces as directed from instructions.

These cut lengths are not accurate in some cases. For example, steps 6 and 7
of the instructions specify lengths of 12cm and 50cm. You've added lengths
of 12cm and 49.6cm as counterparts. The 12cm addition is correct, but the 49.6cm
addition was not correct. See attached photo.

Also, it looks like you've changed the hoses appearing in the Regular Items
section from a determined part length to an undetermined part. I'm not very
familiar with these hoses. Is that correct? If so, shouldn't the hoses
be specified as undetermined entries? And what was the reason for changing the
determined lengths to undetermined entries? I'm guessing they weren't
long enough to create the cut lengths?
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
 Posted: Sep 6, 2018 14:38
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In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
  See attached photo.
 
 Author: Hygrotus View Messages Posted By Hygrotus
 Posted: Sep 6, 2018 14:45
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In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
  Also, it looks like you've changed the hoses appearing in the Regular Items
section from a determined part length to an undetermined part. I'm not very
familiar with these hoses. Is that correct? If so, shouldn't the hoses
be specified as undetermined entries? And what was the reason for changing the
determined lengths to undetermined entries? I'm guessing they weren't
long enough to create the cut lengths?

Isn't it that in set originally comes one long hose and the you cut it? Just
thinking.
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
 Posted: Sep 6, 2018 14:49
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In Inventories Requests, Hygrotus writes:
  Isn't it that in set originally comes one long hose and the you cut it? Just
thinking.

Yes, I believe so. But that long hose has a specific length, I'd imagine.
I don't think they'd put random lengths of hoses in the set for users
to cut.

Don't know, though - I've never had a set with pneumatic hoses.
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In Inventories Requests, StormChaser writes:
  In Inventories Requests, samsam2 writes:
  Please make changes to the following inventory:
 
Set No: 9633  Name: Advanced Air Power Set (Pneumatics II)
* 
9633-1 (Inv) Advanced Air Power Set (Pneumatics II)
211 Parts, 3 Books, 3 Gear, 1998
Sets: Educational & Dacta: Technic

* Add 1 Part 5102c15 Blue Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D. 15L / 12.0cm (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 5102c62 Blue Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D. 62L / 49.6cm (Counterpart)
* Add 2 Part 5102c06 Blue Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D. 6L / 4.8cm (Counterpart)
* Add 2 Part 5102c02 Blue Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D. 2L / 1.6cm (Counterpart)
* Add 2 Part 5102c14 Light Gray Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D. 14L / 11.2cm (Counterpart)
* Add 2 Part 5102c27 Light Gray Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D. 27L / 21.6cm (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 5102c30 Light Gray Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D. 30L / 24.0cm (Counterpart)
* Add 2 Part 5102c11 Black Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D. 11L / 8.8cm (Counterpart)
* Add 2 Part 5102c24 Black Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D. 24L / 19.2cm (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 5102c30 Black Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D. 30L / 24.0cm (Counterpart)
* Change 1 Part Black {5102c68 Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D. 68L / 54.4cm to 5102 Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D.}
* Change 1 Part Blue {5102c48 Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D. 48L / 38.4cm to 5102 Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D.}
* Change 1 Part Light Gray {5102c66 Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D. 66L / 52.8cm to 5102 Hose, Pneumatic 4mm D.}

Comments from Submitter:
cut pieces as directed from instructions.

These cut lengths are not accurate in some cases. For example, steps 6 and 7
of the instructions specify lengths of 12cm and 50cm. You've added lengths
of 12cm and 49.6cm as counterparts. The 12cm addition is correct, but the 49.6cm
addition was not correct. See attached photo.

Also, it looks like you've changed the hoses appearing in the Regular Items
section from a determined part length to an undetermined part. I'm not very
familiar with these hoses. Is that correct? If so, shouldn't the hoses
be specified as undetermined entries? And what was the reason for changing the
determined lengths to undetermined entries? I'm guessing they weren't
long enough to create the cut lengths?

Similar situation
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1105386
 Author: StormChaser View Messages Posted By StormChaser
 Posted: Sep 6, 2018 14:53
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In Inventories Requests, Hygrotus writes:
  Similar situation
https://www.bricklink.com/message.asp?ID=1105386

In that situation, too, the set instructions show that the inventory change submitter
added several incorrect cut lengths to the set inventory.
 Author: samsam2 View Messages Posted By samsam2
 Posted: Sep 7, 2018 10:36
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Many of the early pneumatic sets require lengths of hose that do not correspond
to the whole number stepping of 'stud' units of .8cm of pneumatic hose
found in the catalog. I'm just going by past examples of inventories and
choosing the closest hose length. Given that the unit of length is .8cm, a choice
of hose from the catalog will be within .4cm of actual length.

here's a set from 1989 that requires 10cm and 6cm lengths of hose, but the
inventory uses the available lengths from the catalog of 10.4cm and 6.4cm
 
Set No: 8044  Name: Universal Pneumatic Set
* 
8044-1 (Inv) Universal Pneumatic Set
195 Parts, 1989
Sets: Technic: Universal Building Set

I changed the existing three hoses in the inventory of 9633 to undefined because
their lengths could not be correct "as is" for use in the model. Possibly they
were supplied as over-length hose to be cut into proper lengths of hose, (my
assumption), but they were not even long enough for that either.

Basically I was leaving the problem of what was the original state of the set
for someone else to fix because I can't solve that. I was playing it safe
and just adding the lengths of hose to counter-parts as shown in the instructions,
(as expected from a buyer and seller of a used set). If it ends up that all the
proper length of hoses were originally included with the set, and didn't
need to be 'cut', then these counterparts can easily be moved into regular
inventory.