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 Author: Starlite View Messages Posted By Starlite
 Posted: Jun 14, 2016 11:17
 Subject: Need to distinguish sets without boxes, etc
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Starlite (123)

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I'd like to make a suggestion that every buyer of older sets will think is
well past due, ... and every seller will groan at.

I believe the prices of older sets are significantly skewed because Bricklink
does not allow us to distinguish between sets with and without boxes or instructions.
I think we need a proper mechanism for specifying these things, for searching
on them, and for separating the prices.

Specifically, when a buyer enters a set in their inventory, they should be required
to specify not just whether it's New or Used, but also whether it includes
the box and whether it includes the instructions. We could then see what the
real effect is of including these things.

An example of why the current situation is ridiculous is clear when you look
at the Classic Space minifig sets, such as set 6702. There's currently a
listing for EUR60 with no box -- I suspect that's a ridiculous price.
For set 6701, you currently have a situation where the most expensive Used version
comes with a box that has been cut up. The reality is, for these sets, the value
is almost entirely in the box (otherwise, it's much easier to buy the minifigs
separately).

I'd also really love to see some more built-in ratings for condition (and
you'd need separate ratings for parts, box, instructions). For example, "As
New" would be useful for sets. I can say from experience that "Poor" to "Great"
would not work -- too subjective. But there are more accurate ways of describing
condition. Personally, I assess instructions on the basis of whether they have
creases, dog-ears, punch holes, wear, pen marks, etc. For parts, being able to
tick a box that says a part has yellowed or is scratched could be very useful.

But let's fix my first issue, first. Please.
 Author: yorbrick View Messages Posted By yorbrick
 Posted: Jun 14, 2016 13:56
 Subject: Re: Need to distinguish sets without boxes, etc
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yorbrick (1185)

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In Suggestions, Starlite writes:
  I'd like to make a suggestion that every buyer of older sets will think is
well past due, ... and every seller will groan at.

I believe the prices of older sets are significantly skewed because Bricklink
does not allow us to distinguish between sets with and without boxes or instructions.
I think we need a proper mechanism for specifying these things, for searching
on them, and for separating the prices.

Specifically, when a buyer enters a set in their inventory, they should be required
to specify not just whether it's New or Used, but also whether it includes
the box and whether it includes the instructions. We could then see what the
real effect is of including these things.

An example of why the current situation is ridiculous is clear when you look
at the Classic Space minifig sets, such as set 6702. There's currently a
listing for EUR60 with no box -- I suspect that's a ridiculous price.
For set 6701, you currently have a situation where the most expensive Used version
comes with a box that has been cut up. The reality is, for these sets, the value
is almost entirely in the box (otherwise, it's much easier to buy the minifigs
separately).

I'd also really love to see some more built-in ratings for condition (and
you'd need separate ratings for parts, box, instructions). For example, "As
New" would be useful for sets. I can say from experience that "Poor" to "Great"
would not work -- too subjective. But there are more accurate ways of describing
condition. Personally, I assess instructions on the basis of whether they have
creases, dog-ears, punch holes, wear, pen marks, etc. For parts, being able to
tick a box that says a part has yellowed or is scratched could be very useful.

But let's fix my first issue, first. Please.

What does "as new" for sets mean?
 Author: cosmicray View Messages Posted By cosmicray
 Posted: Jun 14, 2016 14:05
 Subject: Re: Need to distinguish sets without boxes, etc
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In Suggestions, Starlite writes:
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In practice, it should be an attribute on the listing. For anything marked Used,
you would then check Box or Instructions as appropriate. There are a few sets
out there that had no instructions (e.g. NBA collectors) and some that have no
formal box (e.g. anything in a polybag), so the utility of those attributes would
variable.

Ray