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| | | Author: | BuildingOutLoud  | | Posted: | Jul 20, 2015 15:04 | | Subject: | Stop purging 6 month old orders | | Viewed: | 318 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | | Status: | Discarded | |
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| With the price of storage constantly dropping, I think it's time to put an
end to this practice.
Even if orders were "archived" after 6 months and you had to query them separately
from normal orders, I think that would be preferable to deleting them.
I know this is even more of a long shot, and I don't know what your backup
policy is like, but it would be possible to retrieve old purged orders from any
database backups you have and restore them to the current database.
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| | | | | Author: | RobErNat | | Posted: | Jul 20, 2015 15:55 | | Subject: | Re: Stop purging 6 month old orders | | Viewed: | 83 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, BuildingOutLoud writes:
| | With the price of storage constantly dropping, I think it's time to put an
end to this practice.
Even if orders were "archived" after 6 months and you had to query them separately
from normal orders, I think that would be preferable to deleting them.
I know this is even more of a long shot, and I don't know what your backup
policy is like, but it would be possible to retrieve old purged orders from any
database backups you have and restore them to the current database.
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Don't see the point honestly, would only clutter up ones overview, with more
data that is rarely usefull.
If you really want a copy, print to PDF or import in brickstock, or both, as
one would serve keeping the buyers details and a general overview, the other
could serve for searches...
I wouldn't mind a small extension like 8 months in stead of 6, but mainly
because the deadline for PP claims and CC claims is 180 days, so a little extra
before they are purged might be good.
Restoring older orders is even more pointless IMHO
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| | | | | | | Author: | jayy2121 | | Posted: | Jul 20, 2015 16:13 | | Subject: | Re: Stop purging 6 month old orders | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
| | In Suggestions, BuildingOutLoud writes:
| | With the price of storage constantly dropping, I think it's time to put an
end to this practice.
Even if orders were "archived" after 6 months and you had to query them separately
from normal orders, I think that would be preferable to deleting them.
I know this is even more of a long shot, and I don't know what your backup
policy is like, but it would be possible to retrieve old purged orders from any
database backups you have and restore them to the current database.
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Don't see the point honestly, would only clutter up ones overview, with more
data that is rarely usefull.
If you really want a copy, print to PDF or import in brickstock, or both, as
one would serve keeping the buyers details and a general overview, the other
could serve for searches...
I wouldn't mind a small extension like 8 months in stead of 6, but mainly
because the deadline for PP claims and CC claims is 180 days, so a little extra
before they are purged might be good.
Restoring older orders is even more pointless IMHO
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Actually from a buyer perspective this would be really useful.
I've been collecting pieces for a 12,000 part build over the past year. Some
have been sorted away and some have been left in their shipping boxes if most/all
of the pieces can't fit in their storage draws.
When I go to build in a month or so it would be helpful to see what shipment
the part I'm looking for came in, what else it shipped with, or if I ever
ordered it at all (though I swore I did based on the wanted list!!)
By only having the past 6 months of orders to go back and scan through, I've
lost a lot of this useful info.
It would also be nice to see what I bought from someone I'm placing multiple
orders with. I can see I bought from them but not what I bought.
I could probably think of a dozen more uses if I took the time.
Yes, I could have taken the time to download all the info going back to my early
BL orders, but I didn't and it would be so much effort to preserve info that
BL has already captured.
Purging forum posts - debate-able
Purging order history - shouldn't happen
Just my 2c
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Jul 20, 2015 17:14 | | Subject: | Re: Stop purging 6 month old orders | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I agree for the same reason. I often find orders I never got round to unpacking
and would like a quick way to check.
It's also useful to know what you paid for a part 6 months, 1 year, 2 years
ago.
I know you can download and archive your self, but having it searchable is a
bonus.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jayy2121 | | Posted: | Jul 20, 2015 17:20 | | Subject: | Re: Stop purging 6 month old orders | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, mabccc writes:
| | I agree for the same reason. I often find orders I never got round to unpacking
and would like a quick way to check.
It's also useful to know what you paid for a part 6 months, 1 year, 2 years
ago.
I know you can download and archive your self, but having it searchable is a
bonus.
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I thought about the usefulness of seeing how much you've spent...
But then realized that wouldn't be useful for BL or sellers since if I saw
the total, I might take up collecting Fabrige eggs instead to save money.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | bb53904 | | Posted: | Jul 20, 2015 17:37 | | Subject: | Re: Stop purging 6 month old orders | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, jayy2121 writes:
| | In Suggestions, mabccc writes:
| | I agree for the same reason. I often find orders I never got round to unpacking
and would like a quick way to check.
It's also useful to know what you paid for a part 6 months, 1 year, 2 years
ago.
I know you can download and archive your self, but having it searchable is a
bonus.
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I thought about the usefulness of seeing how much you've spent...
But then realized that wouldn't be useful for BL or sellers since if I saw
the total, I might take up collecting Fabrige eggs instead to save money.
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You can see how much you've spent. Just don't tell Paul about this.
Go to Orders and download. Enter a date just before you joined.
Please have medical attention available if you think it necessary! 
Thea
Always An Adventure!
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | StormChaser | | Posted: | Jul 20, 2015 18:22 | | Subject: | Re: Stop purging 6 month old orders | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Thea writes:
| | Go to Orders and download. Enter a date just before you joined.
Please have medical attention available if you think it necessary!
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Thanks! I never knew this was possible. You aren't kidding about the medical
attention. I had no idea I'd spent that much money on BrickLink orders.
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | jimred | | Posted: | Jul 21, 2015 05:14 | | Subject: | Re: Stop purging 6 month old orders | | Viewed: | 40 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Thea writes:
| | In Suggestions, jayy2121 writes:
| | In Suggestions, mabccc writes:
| | I agree for the same reason. I often find orders I never got round to unpacking
and would like a quick way to check.
It's also useful to know what you paid for a part 6 months, 1 year, 2 years
ago.
I know you can download and archive your self, but having it searchable is a
bonus.
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I thought about the usefulness of seeing how much you've spent...
But then realized that wouldn't be useful for BL or sellers since if I saw
the total, I might take up collecting Fabrige eggs instead to save money.
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You can see how much you've spent. Just don't tell Paul about this.
Go to Orders and download. Enter a date just before you joined.
Please have medical attention available if you think it necessary!
Thea
Always An Adventure!
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Oh boy! I thought it wasn't too bad and then realised the bottom total is
just the US dollars. I spend mostly in Pounds and Euros apparently.
However, your tip has helped me solve something that was bugging me from one
of the very first orders I made, so thanks.
As far as keeping old orders, yeah why not. Surely for sellers accounting having
a whole year together is useful?
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Rob_and_Shelagh | | Posted: | Jul 21, 2015 03:47 | | Subject: | Re: Stop purging 6 month old orders | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, jayy2121 writes:
| | In Suggestions, mabccc writes:
| | I agree for the same reason. I often find orders I never got round to unpacking
and would like a quick way to check.
It's also useful to know what you paid for a part 6 months, 1 year, 2 years
ago.
I know you can download and archive your self, but having it searchable is a
bonus.
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I thought about the usefulness of seeing how much you've spent...
But then realized that wouldn't be useful for BL or sellers since if I saw
the total, I might take up collecting Fabrige eggs instead to save money.
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As an AFOL I think you'd likely have the skill needed for that one - spotting
a fake 
Robert
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| | | | | | | Author: | qwertyboy | | Posted: | Jul 20, 2015 17:40 | | Subject: | Re: Stop purging 6 month old orders | | Viewed: | 43 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
| | In Suggestions, BuildingOutLoud writes:
| | With the price of storage constantly dropping, I think it's time to put an
end to this practice.
Even if orders were "archived" after 6 months and you had to query them separately
from normal orders, I think that would be preferable to deleting them.
I know this is even more of a long shot, and I don't know what your backup
policy is like, but it would be possible to retrieve old purged orders from any
database backups you have and restore them to the current database.
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Don't see the point honestly, would only clutter up ones overview, with more
data that is rarely usefull.
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It might be pointless for you, but there are more people wanting this. It can
be really useful to be able to search back in older orders. Currently the orders
are "current", or "filed". The ones older than 6 months are "purged". They could
put older orders in an "archived" state, so they won't "clutter up" your
overview.
I don't see why such a suggestion would make anything worse for anyone, but
it would make things better for those that want to search back. You yourself
say this is "rarely useful", so this can actually be useful sometimes.
Nuking data is bad. If you don't want to see the data, set some filters (which
can be enabled by default to mimic the way things work now), but leave the possibility
open for others to reach back into the past.
Niek.
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| | | | | Author: | capjls | | Posted: | Jul 20, 2015 16:21 | | Subject: | Re: Stop purging 6 month old orders | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, BuildingOutLoud writes:
| | With the price of storage constantly dropping, I think it's time to put an
end to this practice.
Even if orders were "archived" after 6 months and you had to query them separately
from normal orders, I think that would be preferable to deleting them.
I know this is even more of a long shot, and I don't know what your backup
policy is like, but it would be possible to retrieve old purged orders from any
database backups you have and restore them to the current database.
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I would like to see all 6 month histories become 12 month. Not just orders,
but price history (a 6 month sales average and a 12 month sales average). Prices
are cyclical on an annual basis, not semi-annual.
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| | | | | | | Author: | bb53904 | | Posted: | Jul 20, 2015 16:41 | | Subject: | Re: Stop purging 6 month old orders | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, capjls writes:
| | In Suggestions, BuildingOutLoud writes:
| | With the price of storage constantly dropping, I think it's time to put an
end to this practice.
Even if orders were "archived" after 6 months and you had to query them separately
from normal orders, I think that would be preferable to deleting them.
I know this is even more of a long shot, and I don't know what your backup
policy is like, but it would be possible to retrieve old purged orders from any
database backups you have and restore them to the current database.
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but price history (a 6 month sales average and a 12 month sales average). Prices
are cyclical on an annual basis, not semi-annual.
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This sounds like a reasonable compromise.
I'm in the same position as jayy2121 with a 24,000 part MOC. I normally
copy all my orders into a rich-text file, but I missed a few during the time
we were remodeling the house last year.
I do have a possible solution. I have my invoices in my email, but my email
program only searches by individual folder. I am thinking of moving all my invoices
from the individual store folders into one folder for easy searching.
Thea
Always An Adventure!
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | jayy2121 | | Posted: | Jul 20, 2015 16:57 | | Subject: | Re: Stop purging 6 month old orders | | Viewed: | 39 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Thea writes:
| | In Suggestions, capjls writes:
| | In Suggestions, BuildingOutLoud writes:
| | With the price of storage constantly dropping, I think it's time to put an
end to this practice.
Even if orders were "archived" after 6 months and you had to query them separately
from normal orders, I think that would be preferable to deleting them.
I know this is even more of a long shot, and I don't know what your backup
policy is like, but it would be possible to retrieve old purged orders from any
database backups you have and restore them to the current database.
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but price history (a 6 month sales average and a 12 month sales average). Prices
are cyclical on an annual basis, not semi-annual.
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This sounds like a reasonable compromise.
I'm in the same position as jayy2121 with a 24,000 part MOC. I normally
copy all my orders into a rich-text file, but I missed a few during the time
we were remodeling the house last year.
I do have a possible solution. I have my invoices in my email, but my email
program only searches by individual folder. I am thinking of moving all my invoices
from the individual store folders into one folder for easy searching.
Thea
Always An Adventure!
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Great suggestion Thea!!
My Gmail has all my previous orders archived and searchable.
And they don't purge (unlike some sites we know)
Thanks for the suggestion.
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| | | | | Author: | enig | | Posted: | Jul 20, 2015 17:44 | | Subject: | Re: Stop purging 6 month old orders | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, BuildingOutLoud writes:
| | With the price of storage constantly dropping, I think it's time to put an
end to this practice.
Even if orders were "archived" after 6 months and you had to query them separately
from normal orders, I think that would be preferable to deleting them.
I know this is even more of a long shot, and I don't know what your backup
policy is like, but it would be possible to retrieve old purged orders from any
database backups you have and restore them to the current database.
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Yes.
Among other things, my Lithuanian Law requires to have accessible records of
all business transactions for 10 years.
Also, I do have a pile (literally) of received orders that I never had a chance
to check. Some dating back more than 2 years. Got some of them imported and saved
as .bsx but roughly 1/3 got purged without a trace  Yes, I can get most of
them from Gmail, but since there are no part numbers.. the info there is much
less useful than it could be.
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| | | | | | | Author: | 1974 | | Posted: | Jul 21, 2015 05:41 | | Subject: | Re: Stop purging 6 month old orders | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| It's five years in Denmark
If you're a VAT registered busniess and you ONLY use Bricklink to store past
invoices you're breaking the law. Maybe not jailtime bad but certainly enough
to get your business shot down and a hefty fine on top
I'm just a dinky little non VAT seller but my stack of invoices do take a
bunch space. I wonder how much 10k orders would look like? They should be electronic,
not tree killers
There's NO point in Bricklink purging orders after x amount of time, in fact
this is the ONLY website I've ever bought from that does that
It's also the only forum I've ever used that does that. I wonder how
the entire internet would be like if it was wiped every six months?
Text does not take up a huge amount of of HD space. Pics does btw and it's
odd that this forum actually hosts them instead of say flickr. Anyway, this is
a multimillion dollar enterprise, it can afford a few thousand USD in serverspace
each month :/
Cheers,
Ole
In Suggestions, enig writes:
| | In Suggestions, BuildingOutLoud writes:
| | With the price of storage constantly dropping, I think it's time to put an
end to this practice.
Even if orders were "archived" after 6 months and you had to query them separately
from normal orders, I think that would be preferable to deleting them.
I know this is even more of a long shot, and I don't know what your backup
policy is like, but it would be possible to retrieve old purged orders from any
database backups you have and restore them to the current database.
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Yes.
Among other things, my Lithuanian Law requires to have accessible records of
all business transactions for 10 years.
Also, I do have a pile (literally) of received orders that I never had a chance
to check. Some dating back more than 2 years. Got some of them imported and saved
as .bsx but roughly 1/3 got purged without a trace Yes, I can get most of
them from Gmail, but since there are no part numbers.. the info there is much
less useful than it could be.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Jul 21, 2015 06:22 | | Subject: | Re: Stop purging 6 month old orders | | Viewed: | 31 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Well, professional sellers keep their own administration and have their own software,
even if Bricklink would keep the orders, that wouldn't really be of any help
fiscally. You need invoice numbers and such, things that Bricklink doesn't
provide. Also what's fiscally relevant is either invoice date or payment
date, while Bricklink keeps records based on order placement date.
Maybe in the long long term BL would provide some kind of bookkeeping aid that
includes these things, but until then, it's purely removing a limitation
that's no longer needed, which is nice, but it wouldn't add very significant
functionality.
In Suggestions, 1974 writes:
| | It's five years in Denmark
If you're a VAT registered busniess and you ONLY use Bricklink to store past
invoices you're breaking the law. Maybe not jailtime bad but certainly enough
to get your business shot down and a hefty fine on top
I'm just a dinky little non VAT seller but my stack of invoices do take a
bunch space. I wonder how much 10k orders would look like? They should be electronic,
not tree killers
There's NO point in Bricklink purging orders after x amount of time, in fact
this is the ONLY website I've ever bought from that does that
It's also the only forum I've ever used that does that. I wonder how
the entire internet would be like if it was wiped every six months?
Text does not take up a huge amount of of HD space. Pics does btw and it's
odd that this forum actually hosts them instead of say flickr. Anyway, this is
a multimillion dollar enterprise, it can afford a few thousand USD in serverspace
each month :/
Cheers,
Ole
In Suggestions, enig writes:
| | In Suggestions, BuildingOutLoud writes:
| | With the price of storage constantly dropping, I think it's time to put an
end to this practice.
Even if orders were "archived" after 6 months and you had to query them separately
from normal orders, I think that would be preferable to deleting them.
I know this is even more of a long shot, and I don't know what your backup
policy is like, but it would be possible to retrieve old purged orders from any
database backups you have and restore them to the current database.
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Yes.
Among other things, my Lithuanian Law requires to have accessible records of
all business transactions for 10 years.
Also, I do have a pile (literally) of received orders that I never had a chance
to check. Some dating back more than 2 years. Got some of them imported and saved
as .bsx but roughly 1/3 got purged without a trace Yes, I can get most of
them from Gmail, but since there are no part numbers.. the info there is much
less useful than it could be.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | enig | | Posted: | Jul 21, 2015 07:16 | | Subject: | Re: Stop purging 6 month old orders | | Viewed: | 50 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Teup writes:
| | Well, professional sellers keep their own administration and have their own software,
even if Bricklink would keep the orders, that wouldn't really be of any help
fiscally. You need invoice numbers and such, things that Bricklink doesn't
provide. Also what's fiscally relevant is either invoice date or payment
date, while Bricklink keeps records based on order placement date.
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What's relevant may differ between the countries, I guess. Here we must be
able to show not only who placed an order and made the payment, but also what
exactly was bought/sold.
Of course it would be irresponsible for a business to rely solely on BL to save
this info. But in case all my backups go bust, I have no way of retrieving the
info if BL has purged it.
| | Maybe in the long long term BL would provide some kind of bookkeeping aid that
includes these things, but until then, it's purely removing a limitation
that's no longer needed, which is nice, but it wouldn't add very significant
functionality.
In Suggestions, 1974 writes:
| | It's five years in Denmark
If you're a VAT registered busniess and you ONLY use Bricklink to store past
invoices you're breaking the law. Maybe not jailtime bad but certainly enough
to get your business shot down and a hefty fine on top
I'm just a dinky little non VAT seller but my stack of invoices do take a
bunch space. I wonder how much 10k orders would look like? They should be electronic,
not tree killers
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Until (very) recently there was a requirement to have physical copies, but now
electronic ones are alright too. In reality no one will ever ask anything from
you, unless you are selected for a random checkup, or if you are suspected of
some wrongdoing.
| | | | There's NO point in Bricklink purging orders after x amount of time, in fact
this is the ONLY website I've ever bought from that does that
It's also the only forum I've ever used that does that. I wonder how
the entire internet would be like if it was wiped every six months?
Text does not take up a huge amount of of HD space. Pics does btw and it's
odd that this forum actually hosts them instead of say flickr. Anyway, this is
a multimillion dollar enterprise, it can afford a few thousand USD in serverspace
each month :/
Cheers,
Ole
In Suggestions, enig writes:
| | In Suggestions, BuildingOutLoud writes:
| | With the price of storage constantly dropping, I think it's time to put an
end to this practice.
Even if orders were "archived" after 6 months and you had to query them separately
from normal orders, I think that would be preferable to deleting them.
I know this is even more of a long shot, and I don't know what your backup
policy is like, but it would be possible to retrieve old purged orders from any
database backups you have and restore them to the current database.
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Yes.
Among other things, my Lithuanian Law requires to have accessible records of
all business transactions for 10 years.
Also, I do have a pile (literally) of received orders that I never had a chance
to check. Some dating back more than 2 years. Got some of them imported and saved
as .bsx but roughly 1/3 got purged without a trace Yes, I can get most of
them from Gmail, but since there are no part numbers.. the info there is much
less useful than it could be.
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| | | | | Author: | Teup | | Posted: | Jul 21, 2015 05:11 | | Subject: | Re: Stop purging 6 month old orders | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, BuildingOutLoud writes:
| | With the price of storage constantly dropping, I think it's time to put an
end to this practice.
Even if orders were "archived" after 6 months and you had to query them separately
from normal orders, I think that would be preferable to deleting them.
I know this is even more of a long shot, and I don't know what your backup
policy is like, but it would be possible to retrieve old purged orders from any
database backups you have and restore them to the current database.
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I don't know, have you done the maths?  Not to say that I have. The amount
of data could become pretty large, although I could be wrong. If it would, an
alternative could be to delete the partlists of the orders beyond 6 months and
keep the buyer/seller/payment date/etc. That would probably reduce the amount
of data by over 90%.
However like capjls pointed out I would rather have a bigger price guide than
a bigger order history (if not both are possible). There used to be an all-time-sales
field in the priceguide. That would be extremely useful; it would show whether
the part has these days dropped or increased in value. There is currently no
way of knowing this. And I think this is rather awkward, actually. (Sure you
can look at what's currently on offer but that's comparing asked prices
to paid prices, the former are always higher a priori).
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| | | | | Author: | aseoghenrik | | Posted: | Jul 31, 2015 03:17 | | Subject: | Re: Stop purging 6 month old orders | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, BuildingOutLoud writes:
| | With the price of storage constantly dropping, I think it's time to put an
end to this practice.
Even if orders were "archived" after 6 months and you had to query them separately
from normal orders, I think that would be preferable to deleting them.
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Agreed 100%. This policy is just weird. As a software developer, I would guess
it would be cheaper in the long run to just remove this "feature", rather than
having to maintain the logic needed to perform this purging.
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| | | | | | | Author: | bb163688 | | Posted: | Jul 31, 2015 03:30 | | Subject: | Re: Stop purging 6 month old orders | | Viewed: | 47 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Voted absolutely YES please!
There are many times when I want to go back and reference a buyers order from
that long past. They won't clutter your orders placed/ received because when
you check the "file" checkbox, they should automatically stay there at least
a year. Isn't that what the file section is for? I know you can download
other ways offsite, but that is just very inconvenient. I truly hope this is
one suggestion the admins listen to and implement.
Melissa
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