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 Author: eileenkeeney View Messages Posted By eileenkeeney
 Posted: Jan 29, 2015 13:38
 Subject: Default to weights turned ON in shopping cart
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eileenkeeney (1610)

Location:  USA, Oregon
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When sellers set up a store, default to Weights turned on in Shopping cart.

Further, whenever a seller decides to turn off this feature, display a message
telling them that this makes it hard for buyers to estimate shipping, and it
is recommended that they leave the weights turned on.
Maybe even tell them that many buyers will choose to NOT buy from them, and instead
choose a seller that has the weights turned on.

I know that I have selected "empty cart" instead of checking out, at the point
I was about the check out, for at least 2 sellers in the last two days, due to
no weights in shopping cart.

I have read the reasons for having weights off. I still don't think it is
necessary (or of benefit) to not display the weights. There are better solutions
to every reason I have seen, for not showing weights.

Buyers are being asked to estimate the shipping cost, close enough to commit
to the order.
Not providing the buyers with the available information to do this estimate is
wrong.

Maybe implement a policy that allows buyers to cancel any order placed where
weights were not visible in the shopping cart without risk of NPB.
This will give sellers more incentive to just make the weights visible.
 Author: jodawill View Messages Posted By jodawill
 Posted: Jan 29, 2015 13:41
 Subject: Re: Default to weights turned ON in shopping cart
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jodawill (139)

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In Suggestions, eileenkeeney writes:
  When sellers set up a store, default to Weights turned on in Shopping cart.

Further, whenever a seller decides to turn off this feature, display a message
telling them that this makes it hard for buyers to estimate shipping, and it
is recommended that they leave the weights turned on.
Maybe even tell them that many buyers will choose to NOT buy from them, and instead
choose a seller that has the weights turned on.

I know that I have selected "empty cart" instead of checking out, at the point
I was about the check out, for at least 2 sellers in the last two days, due to
no weights in shopping cart.

I have read the reasons for having weights off. I still don't think it is
necessary (or of benefit) to not display the weights. There are better solutions
to every reason I have seen, for not showing weights.

Buyers are being asked to estimate the shipping cost, close enough to commit
to the order.
Not providing the buyers with the available information to do this estimate is
wrong.

Maybe implement a policy that allows buyers to cancel any order placed where
weights were not visible in the shopping cart without risk of NPB.
This will give sellers more incentive to just make the weights visible.

I think a better solution would be to allow buyers to (not by default) display
the weights in every store, regardless of the store's setting.
 Author: Biodreamer View Messages Posted By Biodreamer
 Posted: Jan 29, 2015 13:46
 Subject: Re: Default to weights turned ON in shopping cart
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Biodreamer (110)

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In Suggestions, jodawill writes:
  In Suggestions, eileenkeeney writes:
  When sellers set up a store, default to Weights turned on in Shopping cart.

Further, whenever a seller decides to turn off this feature, display a message
telling them that this makes it hard for buyers to estimate shipping, and it
is recommended that they leave the weights turned on.
Maybe even tell them that many buyers will choose to NOT buy from them, and instead
choose a seller that has the weights turned on.

I know that I have selected "empty cart" instead of checking out, at the point
I was about the check out, for at least 2 sellers in the last two days, due to
no weights in shopping cart.

I have read the reasons for having weights off. I still don't think it is
necessary (or of benefit) to not display the weights. There are better solutions
to every reason I have seen, for not showing weights.

Buyers are being asked to estimate the shipping cost, close enough to commit
to the order.
Not providing the buyers with the available information to do this estimate is
wrong.

Maybe implement a policy that allows buyers to cancel any order placed where
weights were not visible in the shopping cart without risk of NPB.
This will give sellers more incentive to just make the weights visible.

I think a better solution would be to allow buyers to (not by default) display
the weights in every store, regardless of the store's setting.

Sounds like a plan I would like
 Author: eileenkeeney View Messages Posted By eileenkeeney
 Posted: Jan 29, 2015 13:49
 Subject: Re: Default to weights turned ON in shopping cart
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eileenkeeney (1610)

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In Suggestions, jodawill writes:

  
I think a better solution would be to allow buyers to (not by default) display
the weights in every store, regardless of the store's setting.

That would work for me.
It solves the issue, and might be easier to implement.
 Author: Biodreamer View Messages Posted By Biodreamer
 Posted: Jan 29, 2015 13:44
 Subject: Re: Default to weights turned ON in shopping cart
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Biodreamer (110)

Location:  Sweden, Stockholm
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In Suggestions, eileenkeeney writes:
  When sellers set up a store, default to Weights turned on in Shopping cart.

Further, whenever a seller decides to turn off this feature, display a message
telling them that this makes it hard for buyers to estimate shipping, and it
is recommended that they leave the weights turned on.
Maybe even tell them that many buyers will choose to NOT buy from them, and instead
choose a seller that has the weights turned on.

I know that I have selected "empty cart" instead of checking out, at the point
I was about the check out, for at least 2 sellers in the last two days, due to
no weights in shopping cart.

I have read the reasons for having weights off. I still don't think it is
necessary (or of benefit) to not display the weights. There are better solutions
to every reason I have seen, for not showing weights.

Buyers are being asked to estimate the shipping cost, close enough to commit
to the order.
Not providing the buyers with the available information to do this estimate is
wrong.

Maybe implement a policy that allows buyers to cancel any order placed where
weights were not visible in the shopping cart without risk of NPB.
This will give sellers more incentive to just make the weights visible.

A shop with it disabled is most likely a shop I won't bother with, or buy
bare minimum from. So the seller lose potential money from me by having it off.
either from not getting an order or from not selling those extra brick that would
fit nicely into that package. So yes help the newbiees to set the settings right.
 Author: therobo View Messages Posted By therobo
 Posted: Jan 29, 2015 13:52
 Subject: Re: Default to weights turned ON in shopping cart
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therobo (9681)

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In Suggestions, eileenkeeney writes:
  When sellers set up a store, default to Weights turned on in Shopping cart.

It should be default to show weights.
Where do you know that it is off by default?

  
Further, whenever a seller decides to turn off this feature, display a message
telling them that this makes it hard for buyers to estimate shipping, and it
is recommended that they leave the weights turned on.
Maybe even tell them that many buyers will choose to NOT buy from them, and instead
choose a seller that has the weights turned on.

I know that I have selected "empty cart" instead of checking out, at the point
I was about the check out, for at least 2 sellers in the last two days, due to
no weights in shopping cart.

I have read the reasons for having weights off. I still don't think it is
necessary (or of benefit) to not display the weights. There are better solutions
to every reason I have seen, for not showing weights.

Buyers are being asked to estimate the shipping cost, close enough to commit
to the order.
Not providing the buyers with the available information to do this estimate is
wrong.

Maybe implement a policy that allows buyers to cancel any order placed where
weights were not visible in the shopping cart without risk of NPB.
This will give sellers more incentive to just make the weights visible.
 Author: MassBricks View Messages Posted By MassBricks
 Posted: Jan 29, 2015 14:12
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In Suggestions, therobo writes:
  In Suggestions, eileenkeeney writes:
  When sellers set up a store, default to Weights turned on in Shopping cart.

It should be default to show weights.
Where do you know that it is off by default?

  
Further, whenever a seller decides to turn off this feature, display a message
telling them that this makes it hard for buyers to estimate shipping, and it
is recommended that they leave the weights turned on.
Maybe even tell them that many buyers will choose to NOT buy from them, and instead
choose a seller that has the weights turned on.

I know that I have selected "empty cart" instead of checking out, at the point
I was about the check out, for at least 2 sellers in the last two days, due to
no weights in shopping cart.

I have read the reasons for having weights off. I still don't think it is
necessary (or of benefit) to not display the weights. There are better solutions
to every reason I have seen, for not showing weights.

Buyers are being asked to estimate the shipping cost, close enough to commit
to the order.
Not providing the buyers with the available information to do this estimate is
wrong.

Maybe implement a policy that allows buyers to cancel any order placed where
weights were not visible in the shopping cart without risk of NPB.
This will give sellers more incentive to just make the weights visible.

I recall having to manually enable it. I definitely never disabled it. Maybe
it has changed at some point already.
 Author: bb363828 View Messages Posted By bb363828
 Posted: Jan 29, 2015 14:19
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In Suggestions, MassBricks writes:
  In Suggestions, therobo writes:
  In Suggestions, eileenkeeney writes:
  When sellers set up a store, default to Weights turned on in Shopping cart.

It should be default to show weights.
Where do you know that it is off by default?

  
Further, whenever a seller decides to turn off this feature, display a message
telling them that this makes it hard for buyers to estimate shipping, and it
is recommended that they leave the weights turned on.
Maybe even tell them that many buyers will choose to NOT buy from them, and instead
choose a seller that has the weights turned on.

I know that I have selected "empty cart" instead of checking out, at the point
I was about the check out, for at least 2 sellers in the last two days, due to
no weights in shopping cart.

I have read the reasons for having weights off. I still don't think it is
necessary (or of benefit) to not display the weights. There are better solutions
to every reason I have seen, for not showing weights.

Buyers are being asked to estimate the shipping cost, close enough to commit
to the order.
Not providing the buyers with the available information to do this estimate is
wrong.

Maybe implement a policy that allows buyers to cancel any order placed where
weights were not visible in the shopping cart without risk of NPB.
This will give sellers more incentive to just make the weights visible.

I recall having to manually enable it. I definitely never disabled it. Maybe
it has changed at some point already.

Same here, in fact a customer asked me why I didn't have it active, I then
found the forum and was kindly pointed in the right direction to activate it!

Davy
 Author: eileenkeeney View Messages Posted By eileenkeeney
 Posted: Jan 29, 2015 16:01
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eileenkeeney (1610)

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In Suggestions, therobo writes:
  In Suggestions, eileenkeeney writes:
  When sellers set up a store, default to Weights turned on in Shopping cart.

It should be default to show weights.
Where do you know that it is off by default?


If a seller is new I usually just ask them to turn the weights on, rather than
quickly deciding to not purchase from them.
In one such discussion the seller did not know how to turn the weights on.
Since I am not a seller, I did not know either.
So I referred the seller to this forum to ask how to enable weights.

It was this conversation where I concluded that the default was off.
 Author: zux View Messages Posted By zux
 Posted: Jan 29, 2015 14:14
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For me, as a buyer, it is not very clear why on Earth there is option to turn
such function off? I'd hardcode "show cart weight - ON" and remove the setting
turning it OFF.
 Author: therobo View Messages Posted By therobo
 Posted: Jan 29, 2015 14:41
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In Suggestions, zux writes:
  For me, as a buyer, it is not very clear why on Earth there is option to turn
such function off? I'd hardcode "show cart weight - ON" and remove the setting
turning it OFF.

When the function was implemented - long before you joined BrickLink - some people
argued the same way as you and many argued otherwise, so it was implemented as
an *option*.
 Author: Andy_Bell View Messages Posted By Andy_Bell
 Posted: Jan 29, 2015 15:46
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In Suggestions, therobo writes:
  In Suggestions, zux writes:
  For me, as a buyer, it is not very clear why on Earth there is option to turn
such function off? I'd hardcode "show cart weight - ON" and remove the setting
turning it OFF.

When the function was implemented - long before you joined BrickLink - some people
argued the same way as you and many argued otherwise, so it was implemented as
an *option*.

More than that it was implemented as a 'default on.'
Then after the uproar from a few prominent forum regulars. It was removed and
later reintroduced as an option with the default off as a way to placate those
very opposed.

Andy
 Author: therobo View Messages Posted By therobo
 Posted: Jan 29, 2015 15:57
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In Suggestions, Andy_Bell writes:
  In Suggestions, therobo writes:
  In Suggestions, zux writes:
  For me, as a buyer, it is not very clear why on Earth there is option to turn
such function off? I'd hardcode "show cart weight - ON" and remove the setting
turning it OFF.

When the function was implemented - long before you joined BrickLink - some people
argued the same way as you and many argued otherwise, so it was implemented as
an *option*.

More than that it was implemented as a 'default on.'
Then after the uproar from a few prominent forum regulars. It was removed and
later reintroduced as an option with the default off as a way to placate those
very opposed.

Andy

I knew there was something with default on
But I forgot the debate for turning it off, getting old, hm...
 Author: Andy_Bell View Messages Posted By Andy_Bell
 Posted: Jan 29, 2015 16:51
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In Suggestions, therobo writes:
  In Suggestions, Andy_Bell writes:
  In Suggestions, therobo writes:
  In Suggestions, zux writes:
  For me, as a buyer, it is not very clear why on Earth there is option to turn
such function off? I'd hardcode "show cart weight - ON" and remove the setting
turning it OFF.

When the function was implemented - long before you joined BrickLink - some people
argued the same way as you and many argued otherwise, so it was implemented as
an *option*.

More than that it was implemented as a 'default on.'
Then after the uproar from a few prominent forum regulars. It was removed and
later reintroduced as an option with the default off as a way to placate those
very opposed.

Andy

I knew there was something with default on
But I forgot the debate for turning it off, getting old, hm...

It's not so much that you are getting old but the debate is getting old.


Many things have been debated regularly every 6-12 months and none more than
weights. It has been a constant in my 10 years here! It is one of the issues
that makes me long for post retention of longer than 6 months, which is also
a regular suggestion.

Andy