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| | | Author: | yorbrick  | | Posted: | Apr 24, 2014 05:52 | | Subject: | (Cancelled) | | Viewed: | 277 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | | Status: | Discarded | |
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| | | | | Author: | Rbobo | | Posted: | Apr 24, 2014 05:57 | | Subject: | Re: Stop highly skewed prices in superlots | | Viewed: | 68 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, mabccc writes:
| | I'd like to see some sort of control on pricing in superlots, especially
of CMFs.
For example, in this search ...
http://www.bricklink.com/search.asp?itemID=108965&colorID=0
One control could be that no part in a superlot could be priced at more than
double the average price over the last six months.
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It's not a bad idea in principle, but generally such suggestions are not
acted upon due to legal issues with price fixing.
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| | | | | Author: | BLUSER_195088 | | Posted: | Apr 24, 2014 07:22 | | Subject: | Re: Stop highly skewed prices in superlots | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, mabccc writes:
| | I'd like to see some sort of control on pricing in superlots, especially
of CMFs.
For example, in this search ...
http://www.bricklink.com/search.asp?itemID=108965&colorID=0
One control could be that no part in a superlot could be priced at more than
double the average price over the last six months.
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Or stuff sold as a part of a superlot should just be excluded from the price
guide. These CMF superlots of all figures dirt cheap but one at 15x-20x its normal
price can really screw up the last 6 months sales averages.
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| | | | | | | Author: | George_Lucy | | Posted: | Apr 24, 2014 08:41 | | Subject: | Re: Stop highly skewed prices in superlots | | Viewed: | 82 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Simple just get rid of the super lot for the CM if you want to sell them you
have to sell the set. One price for the complete set or one price for all 16.
In Suggestions, Nagyzee writes:
| | In Suggestions, mabccc writes:
| | I'd like to see some sort of control on pricing in superlots, especially
of CMFs.
For example, in this search ...
http://www.bricklink.com/search.asp?itemID=108965&colorID=0
One control could be that no part in a superlot could be priced at more than
double the average price over the last six months.
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Or stuff sold as a part of a superlot should just be excluded from the price
guide. These CMF superlots of all figures dirt cheap but one at 15x-20x its normal
price can really screw up the last 6 months sales averages.
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| | | | | | | | | Author: | BLUSER_195088 | | Posted: | Apr 24, 2014 10:18 | | Subject: | Re: Stop highly skewed prices in superlots | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, George_Lucy writes:
| | Simple just get rid of the super lot for the CM if you want to sell them you
have to sell the set. One price for the complete set or one price for all 16.
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I think you misunderstood my post. My point is not about how I sell the CMF sets
but about how others do and how they screw up the price guide with that. So in
my opinion sold superlots should simply be not included in the price guide.
Or at least there should be an on/off switch just like with incomplete sets.
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| | | | | | | | | | | Author: | bsohn | | Posted: | Apr 24, 2014 11:55 | | Subject: | Re: Stop highly skewed prices in superlots | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Nagyzee writes:
| | In Suggestions, George_Lucy writes:
| | Simple just get rid of the super lot for the CM if you want to sell them you
have to sell the set. One price for the complete set or one price for all 16.
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I think you misunderstood my post. My point is not about how I sell the CMF sets
but about how others do and how they screw up the price guide with that. So in
my opinion sold superlots should simply be not included in the price guide.
Or at least there should be an on/off switch just like with incomplete sets.
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That is true to a degree as putting the super lots in the price guide messes
it up "IF" someone does not adhere to normal pricing of each element. This could
be controlled by forcing each price entered into the super lot to be within a
% range of average. This would not be price fixing as it would not matter what
the price is just that all of the prices fall within a set range from the average
balancing the lot across the items IE..
#1 item is $5.00 and the average is $5.00 (100%)
#2 item is $5.00 and the average is $3.00 (60%)
#3 item is $5.00 and the average is $5.00 (100%)
#4 item is $.10 and the average is $10.00 (1%)
Total is $15.10 average is $23.00
The rebalancing would force the pricing to be 65.25% of average based on each
price making the pricing relevant to the total of the super lot. this would bring
down the pricing of item #1 and 4 and increase #2 slightly and significantly
increase #4. to a still total super lot value of $15.10.
It could still allow a high low range from this average percentage as well by
saying the average % is %65.25 but to allow pricing adjustments to the user it
could say OK 65.25 is the average but the system will allow a variation of 10%
off of this which would still force a balancing for #4 agains #1 and #2
As for the way minifies are sold ... WE still need a set entry as it will get
rid of many Minifig super lots and weird price guide abnormalities in the pack
listings.
Brion
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | RobErNat | | Posted: | Apr 24, 2014 12:08 | | Subject: | Re: Stop highly skewed prices in superlots | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, bsohn writes:
| | In Suggestions, Nagyzee writes:
| | In Suggestions, George_Lucy writes:
| | Simple just get rid of the super lot for the CM if you want to sell them you
have to sell the set. One price for the complete set or one price for all 16.
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I think you misunderstood my post. My point is not about how I sell the CMF sets
but about how others do and how they screw up the price guide with that. So in
my opinion sold superlots should simply be not included in the price guide.
Or at least there should be an on/off switch just like with incomplete sets.
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That is true to a degree as putting the super lots in the price guide messes
it up "IF" someone does not adhere to normal pricing of each element. This could
be controlled by forcing each price entered into the super lot to be within a
% range of average. This would not be price fixing as it would not matter what
the price is just that all of the prices fall within a set range from the average
balancing the lot across the items IE..
#1 item is $5.00 and the average is $5.00 (100%)
#2 item is $5.00 and the average is $3.00 (60%)
#3 item is $5.00 and the average is $5.00 (100%)
#4 item is $.10 and the average is $10.00 (1%)
Total is $15.10 average is $23.00
The rebalancing would force the pricing to be 65.25% of average based on each
price making the pricing relevant to the total of the super lot. this would bring
down the pricing of item #1 and 4 and increase #2 slightly and significantly
increase #4. to a still total super lot value of $15.10.
It could still allow a high low range from this average percentage as well by
saying the average % is %65.25 but to allow pricing adjustments to the user it
could say OK 65.25 is the average but the system will allow a variation of 10%
off of this which would still force a balancing for #4 agains #1 and #2
As for the way minifies are sold ... WE still need a set entry as it will get
rid of many Minifig super lots and weird price guide abnormalities in the pack
listings.
Brion
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Bad Idea.
Superlots are NOT only used for CMF's but also for other stuff...
Example:
I remember having a superlot of:
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in light bluish gray
Left door for about $4 and right door for about 6x that much ($27).
Don't see why I should be forced to 'level' average) between the
2 and mess up the PG for the left one when sold...
If one doesn't like the kind of listings the OP's mentions, don't
shop in such stores, and sooner or later they will stop doing it...
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| | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Author: | Brettj666 | | Posted: | Apr 24, 2014 12:22 | | Subject: | Re: Stop highly skewed prices in superlots | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
| | In Suggestions, bsohn writes:
| | In Suggestions, Nagyzee writes:
| | In Suggestions, George_Lucy writes:
| | Simple just get rid of the super lot for the CM if you want to sell them you
have to sell the set. One price for the complete set or one price for all 16.
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I think you misunderstood my post. My point is not about how I sell the CMF sets
but about how others do and how they screw up the price guide with that. So in
my opinion sold superlots should simply be not included in the price guide.
Or at least there should be an on/off switch just like with incomplete sets.
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That is true to a degree as putting the super lots in the price guide messes
it up "IF" someone does not adhere to normal pricing of each element. This could
be controlled by forcing each price entered into the super lot to be within a
% range of average. This would not be price fixing as it would not matter what
the price is just that all of the prices fall within a set range from the average
balancing the lot across the items IE..
#1 item is $5.00 and the average is $5.00 (100%)
#2 item is $5.00 and the average is $3.00 (60%)
#3 item is $5.00 and the average is $5.00 (100%)
#4 item is $.10 and the average is $10.00 (1%)
Total is $15.10 average is $23.00
The rebalancing would force the pricing to be 65.25% of average based on each
price making the pricing relevant to the total of the super lot. this would bring
down the pricing of item #1 and 4 and increase #2 slightly and significantly
increase #4. to a still total super lot value of $15.10.
It could still allow a high low range from this average percentage as well by
saying the average % is %65.25 but to allow pricing adjustments to the user it
could say OK 65.25 is the average but the system will allow a variation of 10%
off of this which would still force a balancing for #4 agains #1 and #2
As for the way minifies are sold ... WE still need a set entry as it will get
rid of many Minifig super lots and weird price guide abnormalities in the pack
listings.
Brion
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Bad Idea.
Superlots are NOT only used for CMF's but also for other stuff...
Example:
I remember having a superlot of:
and
in light bluish gray
Left door for about $4 and right door for about 6x that much ($27).
Don't see why I should be forced to 'level'average) between the
2 and mess up the PG for the left one when sold...
If one doesn't like the kind of listings the OP's mentions, don't
shop in such stores, and sooner or later they will stop doing it...
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the issue here would be if you had lots of the left door and want the right door
and you list the right door for $1 and the left door for $30.
To someone, they still get both for $31, so what's the issue and those that
blindly use the price guide start tending up on the left and down on the right.
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| | | | | Author: | Made_In_Bricks | | Posted: | Apr 24, 2014 12:26 | | Subject: | Re: Stop highly skewed prices in superlots | | Viewed: | 36 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| voted no
We have the freedom to list prices as we please.
I would vote yes for a function to filter binded items just like you can filter
by location and incomplete/complete.
Thanks,
Ken
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| | | | | | | Author: | yorbrick | | Posted: | Apr 24, 2014 16:22 | | Subject: | Re: Stop highly skewed prices in superlots | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, BrickItYourself writes:
| | voted no
We have the freedom to list prices as we please.
I would vote yes for a function to filter binded items just like you can filter
by location and incomplete/complete.
Thanks,
Ken
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OK, that was in the other suggestion I made!
You can of course filter out superlots each time you search, but it would be
helpful if you could just get rid of them completely. Of course, so long as sellers
know that if they list a superlot fairly priced amongst all items then many people
will have probably turned off viewing of superlots.
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| | | | | Author: | ToriHada | | Posted: | Apr 24, 2014 12:31 | | Subject: | Re: Stop highly skewed prices in superlots | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, mabccc writes:
| | I'd like to see some sort of control on pricing in superlots
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I vote no. Although I agree something should be done to prevent these listings
from messing up the Price Guide, any type of "control on pricing" is never acceptable.
In addition to the obvious legal risks with price-fixing, I as a seller NEVER
want BrickLink to tell me how I can or cannot price my goods. I would rather
have an occasionally messed up Price Guide than Big Brother telling me how to
price things.
Thor
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| | | | | Author: | eileenkeeney | | Posted: | Apr 24, 2014 15:05 | | Subject: | Re: Stop highly skewed prices in superlots | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, mabccc writes:
| | I'd like to see some sort of control on pricing in superlots, especially
of CMFs.
For example, in this search ...
http://www.bricklink.com/search.asp?itemID=108965&colorID=0
One control could be that no part in a superlot could be priced at more than
double the average price over the last six months.
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After reading through all of the responses,
I believe the best solution is to have the price guide have an option to see
the guide while ignoring super lots. This way it just becomes another statistic.
This way those using the price guide can just choose to see the data as it would
be if super lots were not considered.
As for how this all effects me, it doesn't really seem to much.
However, I did once add a seller to my least favorite list, for the practice
of significant skewing. Usually I just make a note of it, and then other things
mostly equal I would choose a different seller to buy from.
Mostly when using the price guide I just don't click on the listings that
are part of a super lot.
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| | | | | | | Author: | ToriHada | | Posted: | Apr 24, 2014 15:43 | | Subject: | Re: Stop highly skewed prices in superlots | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, eileenkeeney writes:
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After reading through all of the responses,
I believe the best solution is to have the price guide have an option to see
the guide while ignoring super lots.
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Agreed. Is there a formal suggestion for this?
| | However, I did once add a seller to my least favorite list, for the practice
of significant skewing.
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Same with me. I almost always least favorite sellers who play this game. Personally,
I consider it deceptive.
| | Mostly when using the price guide I just don't click on the listings that
are part of a super lot.
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Same here again. I have run across so many of these super lot listings where
most things look cheap, only to be surprised by one or two things priced way
above normal. So now, it just makes all super lot listings less appealing to
me. I know I should not lump in the good with the bad. But it is just so much
easier to simply exclude super lots from my search results when buying.
Thor
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