Redisplay Messages: Compact | Brief | All | Full Show Messages: All | Without Replies| Author: | happygolucky  | | Posted: | Aug 28, 2015 08:48 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 75919-1 | | Viewed: | 19 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 85984pb095 Blue Slope 30 1 x 2 x 2/3 with Black Joystick Pattern (Sticker) - Set 75919 (Counterpart)
Comments from Submitter:
Adding stickered counterpart to inventory. Thank you.
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| Author: | happygolucky | | Posted: | Aug 28, 2015 08:47 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 75916-1 | | Viewed: | 18 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 85984pb096 Blue Slope 30 1 x 2 x 2/3 with Black Joystick and Rivets Pattern (Sticker) - Set 75916 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 3069bpb408 Light Bluish Gray Tile 1 x 2 with Jurassic World Logo on White and Dark Blue Background Pattern (Sticker) - Set 75916 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 2431pb393 Black Tile 1 x 4 with Jurassic World Logo, Rivets and Silver Corrosion Pattern (Sticker) - Set 75916 (Counterpart)
Comments from Submitter:
Adding stickered counterparts to inventory. Thank you.
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| Author: | ToriHada | | Posted: | Aug 28, 2015 08:42 | | Subject: | Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Proprietor writes:
| | In Suggestions, derzy writes:
| | Second, these vigilante orders mess up the Price Guide by validating the bogus
prices to the detriment of others who rely on the Price Guide later.
actually these orders don't affect the price guide.as I told you already
the priceguide resets after an order is cancelled.so your talking pure BS.
better to have 'forum police' as you put it rather than allowing OBVIOUS
scammers to operate on bricklink.
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The price guide gets messed up regardless.
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Not necessarily.
| | Does anyone really believe 2 new UCS Falcons were sold in March for US$700?
Or even the 1 for $1,000?
http://www.bricklink.com/catalogPG.asp?S=10179-1&ColorID=0
Not a chance, but for whatever reason, those orders weren't cancelled even
though I'm sure the store was closed and the sale was never consummated.
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Exactly, many of these orders are not cancelled and the data remains in the Price
Guide.
| | Also, some of these scammers actually sell all of their fake sets, so having
a vigilante buy them instead doesn't help or hurt the price guide any more
than the "sale" to the scammed buyer.
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Your second sentence does not follow from the first. First you say "SOME" scammers
sell all their fake sets. That admits that some do not. Thus, you can't say
it won't make any difference to the Price Guide. The fact is that a lot of
these scam listings do NOT sell and many of these scam stores are shut down before
they can sell all, many or even one scam listing. But an entire inventory buyout
by a vigilante buyer will now put everything in the Price Guide - i.e. a lot
more scam listings than if you just let BrickLink handle the matter. So yes,
the Price Guide will definitely be more adversely affected if these vigilante
orders are allowed or become more accepted.
Thor
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| Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Aug 28, 2015 08:38 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 70751-1 | | Viewed: | 20 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 3069bpb403 White Tile 1 x 2 with Ninjago Game Card with Black Ninja Cole Pattern (Sticker) - Set 70751 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 3069bpb404 Metallic Gold Tile 1 x 2 with Ninjago Game Card with White Sensei Wu Pattern (Sticker) - Set 70751 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 2335pb136 Light Bluish Gray Flag 2 x 2 Square with Fishmonger Sign with Jumping Fish, White Waves and Asian Character Pattern (Sticker) - Set 70751 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 2335pb137 Light Bluish Gray Flag 2 x 2 Square with Loaf of Bread, Eggs, Milk Bottle and Asian Character Pattern (Sticker) - Set 70751 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 60616pb014 Light Bluish Gray Door 1 x 4 x 6 with Stud Handle with Cut-out Wood Panels with Asian Designs Pattern (Sticker) - Set 70751 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 2335pb135 White Flag 2 x 2 Square with Black and Light Bluish Gray Blacksmith Hammer and Anvil Pattern on Both Sides (Stickers) - Set 70751 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 3069bpb405 White Tile 1 x 2 with 2 Black Asian Characters Pattern 1 (Sticker) - Set 70751 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 3069bpb406 White Tile 1 x 2 with 2 Black Asian Characters Pattern 2 (Sticker) - Set 70751 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 3069bpb407 White Tile 1 x 2 with 2 Black Asian Characters Pattern 3 (Sticker) - Set 70751 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 14769pb071 Tan Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Bottom Stud Holder with Reddish Brown Hash Lines Pattern (Sticker) - Set 70751 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 92584pb003 Reddish Brown Wedge, Plate 10 x 10 Cut Corner with no Studs in Center with Wood Grain Floor and Nail Pattern (Sticker) - Set 70751 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 92584pb004 Reddish Brown Wedge, Plate 10 x 10 Cut Corner with no Studs in Center with Carpet with Asian Symbols and Geometric Border Pattern (Sticker) - Set 70751 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 15210pb001 White Road Sign Clip-On 2 x 2 Square with Extended Open O Clip with Asian Trees, Clouds and Inkblots Pattern (Sticker) - Set 70751 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 30150pb01 Reddish Brown Container, Crate with Handholds with 'Cole's Stuff Hands Off!!' Pattern (Sticker) - Set 70751 (Counterpart)
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| Author: | briky | | Posted: | Aug 28, 2015 05:23 | | Subject: | Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 77 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, AntsScurrying writes:
| | Have you ever thought about doing something useful with your time? Maybe volunteering
somewhere that actually needs your help.
Your posts only purpose if to create negativity, and you never have anything
to add Lego related.
Please go somewhere you are needed, or at least wanted.
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Ssssssssssssssst !!! Silentium Triplex,the great prohibitor is asleep.
ooo dolce tempore non suspecto. 
Amen
Chris
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| Author: | AntsScurrying | | Posted: | Aug 28, 2015 04:07 | | Subject: | Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 85 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Have you ever thought about doing something useful with your time? Maybe volunteering
somewhere that actually needs your help.
Your posts only purpose if to create negativity, and you never have anything
to add Lego related.
Please go somewhere you are needed, or at least wanted.
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| Author: | legoman77 | | Posted: | Aug 28, 2015 00:38 | | Subject: | Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 93 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | In Suggestions, legoman77 writes:
| | In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | In Suggestions, TexMexSu writes:
| | In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | You may win this game once or twice or even a few more times. But eventually
you are going to run across a seller who looks suspicious at first but later
turns out to be legit. Are you willing to risk your home and family's well-being
if you are wrong?
Thor
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Huh?
Please excuse me for being dense but......
......exactly how does (at worst) not paying for a Lego order "risk your home
and family's well-being"?
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Did you actually read the entire post and thread before latching on to this one
part? Because if you did you might realize I was talking in the context of someone
who buys out a store's entire inventory worth tens of thousands or even hundreds
of thousands of dollars. And something that large definitely makes taking legal
action more economically viable. Obviously, we're not talking about a $15
order here.
Now you may, in your ignorance, dismiss it as legal "mumbo jumbo", but both legally
and according to BL's Terms of Service, placing an order here creates a binding
contract (at least in the USA). If you fail or refuse to perform that contract
you can be sued for breach of contract. Any judgment against you could then be
enforced against you by collecting against your assets (e.g. your home) and/or
garnishing your wages.
If anyone placed a $100,000 order with me as a joke or to give me a hard time,
and I knew they had assets or a good job, I would definitely be inclined to take
them to court to collect what they owe me. If that makes me a "bad" person in
your book, so be it.
Thor
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But would not a contract require signatures?
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No.
| | Since BL is not in the US would person bringing suit have to take it to the world court?
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No.
| | Are contracts made on the internet without a meeting of the minds, only accepting
the sites rules, (which would be hard to prove they even read) which would be
a rule or obligation made by a third party be enforceable?
|
Your question does not reflect the reality of BrickLink orders and assumes things
which are not true.
| | Even for a small amount like 100K would be hard to enforce or actually impossible.
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Not at all. I have sued and collected on much smaller amounts.
| | I can see a judge laughing his ass off when the suit came before the judge.
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You have a vivid imagination. More commonly it is the lawyers laughing their
asses off all the way to bank because people are so ignorant of the law and legal
system.
| | "This guy is suing someone online for not paying for a box of Lego which was
never sent to him."
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You know quite well that is not what we are talking about here.
| | I think that here has to be a bit or reality over what is really going on. The
seller would have to prove damages and that there was a loss because of their
stock being tied up. That would be impossible to prove anyway.
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John, you really don't know what you are talking about here. Damages would
not be difficult to prove, especially with the price guide. And there are more
types of damages and claims than you know. For example, if the vigilante buyer
were also a seller, he could then also be sued for violations of anti-competition
laws and unfair and deceptive trade practices.
| | I think the reality of the situation trumps legalities.
|
The reality here is that we are not talking about your run of the mill BL order.
We are talking about something much more substantial and worth going after. We
are also talking about more than just a mere breach of contract.
| | Just a layman's opinion from watching Judge Judy and The Peoples Court.
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LOL! No wonder. 
Thor
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You're funny Foster.
John P
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| Author: | BLUSER_27068 | | Posted: | Aug 28, 2015 00:37 | | Subject: | Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 74 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | In Suggestions, enig writes his usual nonsense:
| |
Yes. The topic is about preventing a scam to happen. While you're talking
about someone playing a joke on you.
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As usual, your hostility blinds you to reason and reality. This topic is not
about preventing scams. It is about stopping members from appointing themselves
as police, prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner. I am talking about vigilantism.
And, unlike you, I don't consider it a joke at all.
Thor
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Are you serious?
"members from appointing themselves as police, prosecutor, judge, jury and executioner"
This is the pot calling the kettle black.
(should have been a comedian)
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| Author: | j7r7o7c7k7 | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 22:37 | | Subject: | Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 84 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | BrickLink should prohibit vigilante orders like the one noted in this thread:
http://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=193629
Vigilante orders are bogus orders members place with a store they believe to
be a scammer with the intent to protect other members from being scammed before
BrickLink has time to act on any complaints about such a store. While vigilantes
may claim their intentions are good, I believe there are too many risks and potential
problems with self-appointing oneself as cop, prosecutor, judge and jury in such
a manner.
For one thing, the vigilante may turn out to be incorrect in believing a new
seller to be a scammer. By placing his bogus order, the vigilante harms the new
seller, buyers who might otherwise order from such seller, and the vigilante
himself who now risks an NPB or legal action for breach of contract.
Second, these vigilante orders mess up the Price Guide by validating the bogus
prices to the detriment of others who rely on the Price Guide later.
As others said, two wrongs don't make a right. Placing an order is a binding
contract and, regardless of your reasons, it is just plain wrong to place an
order without any intent of following through with it.
Allowing these vigilante orders will create further problems down the road. If
you justify vigilante orders for new sellers who are thought to be scammers,
someone later on will justify them for not-so-new sellers whose terms they subjectively
believe are invalid, or for seller they think take too long to ship, or for sellers
they believe don't honor PayPal's terms, etc., etc. Once you allow these
vigilante orders, where do you draw the line?
BrickLink should never delegate to any member the power to shut down a store.
Allowing these vigilante orders would effectively make every member an Admin
with the ability to shut down any store they want if they subjectively feel they
are helping other members by doing so. This is a dangerous slippery slope that
should stay exclusively within BrickLink's power.
As such, any member caught making a vigilante order should receive an automatic
NPB.
Thor
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Anyone who places a order with 100% no intent to pay and it is provin should
be banned. They are just as bad as the people they are calling a "scam" when
they do turn out to be a scam. I fully get that people are just trying to help
out, but they are doing the wrong way. You don't hold up a bank to get the
cops to show up so you can say "look here is one of the FBI top 10, I seen him
in here and thought I would rob the bank so you show up and catch him".
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| Author: | j7r7o7c7k7 | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 22:25 | | Subject: | Re: Exclude incomplete set checkbox catalog page | | Viewed: | 37 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, QA_Ryan writes:
| | In Suggestions, BRICK_BLUE writes:
| | There used to be a exclude incomplete checkbox on the catalog page. Any chance
we can get this back. You can put it right below the exclude superlots checkbox.
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You may have noticed we added this last Thursday. It is a checkbox in the Condition
drop-down that also lets you filter for Incomplete and Sealed too now.
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Is it possible to have the "sealed" thing added to the price guide page as well?
Like next to where the group by currency and incomplete check boxes are. Would
be great as I will be back to selling a bunch of sealed sets I hope here soon.
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| Author: | Pher | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 20:55 | | Subject: | Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 80 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | As such, any member caught making a vigilante order should receive an automatic
NPB.
Thor
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Bla, bla, long story but:
You already get a NPB for not paying, if the seller and bricklink decide so.
Don't you?
And you have one week to pay if you place an order, maybe you find out that your
vigilant intended order was a great idea and pay?
Really don't get your suggestion. The suggestion, not your long explanations.
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| Author: | enig | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 20:43 | | Subject: | Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 88 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | In Suggestions, legoman77 writes:
| | In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | In Suggestions, TexMexSu writes:
| | In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | You may win this game once or twice or even a few more times. But eventually
you are going to run across a seller who looks suspicious at first but later
turns out to be legit. Are you willing to risk your home and family's well-being
if you are wrong?
Thor
|
Huh?
Please excuse me for being dense but......
......exactly how does (at worst) not paying for a Lego order "risk your home
and family's well-being"?
|
Did you actually read the entire post and thread before latching on to this one
part? Because if you did you might realize I was talking in the context of someone
who buys out a store's entire inventory worth tens of thousands or even hundreds
of thousands of dollars. And something that large definitely makes taking legal
action more economically viable. Obviously, we're not talking about a $15
order here.
Now you may, in your ignorance, dismiss it as legal "mumbo jumbo", but both legally
and according to BL's Terms of Service, placing an order here creates a binding
contract (at least in the USA). If you fail or refuse to perform that contract
you can be sued for breach of contract. Any judgment against you could then be
enforced against you by collecting against your assets (e.g. your home) and/or
garnishing your wages.
| | | | If anyone placed a $100,000 order with me as a joke or to give me a hard time,
|
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and I knew they had assets or a good job, I would definitely be inclined to take
them to court to collect what they owe me. If that makes me a "bad" person in
your book, so be it.
Thor
|
But would not a contract require signatures?
|
No.
| | Since BL is not in the US would person bringing suit have to take it to the world court?
|
No.
| | Are contracts made on the internet without a meeting of the minds, only accepting
the sites rules, (which would be hard to prove they even read) which would be
a rule or obligation made by a third party be enforceable?
|
Your question does not reflect the reality of BrickLink orders and assumes things
which are not true.
| | Even for a small amount like 100K would be hard to enforce or actually impossible.
|
Not at all. I have sued and collected on much smaller amounts.
| | I can see a judge laughing his ass off when the suit came before the judge.
|
You have a vivid imagination. More commonly it is the lawyers laughing their
asses off all the way to bank because people are so ignorant of the law and legal
system.
| | "This guy is suing someone online for not paying for a box of Lego which was
never sent to him."
|
You know quite well that is not what we are talking about here.
|
Yes. The topic is about preventing a scam to happen. While you're talking
about someone playing a joke on you.
| | | | I think that here has to be a bit or reality over what is really going on. The
seller would have to prove damages and that there was a loss because of their
stock being tied up. That would be impossible to prove anyway.
|
John, you really don't know what you are talking about here. Damages would
not be difficult to prove, especially with the price guide. And there are more
types of damages and claims than you know. For example, if the vigilante buyer
were also a seller, he could then also be sued for violations of anti-competition
laws and unfair and deceptive trade practices.
| | I think the reality of the situation trumps legalities.
|
The reality here is that we are not talking about your run of the mill BL order.
We are talking about something much more substantial and worth going after. We
are also talking about more than just a mere breach of contract.
| | Just a layman's opinion from watching Judge Judy and The Peoples Court.
|
LOL! No wonder.
Thor
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| Author: | George_Lucy | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 20:31 | | Subject: | Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 85 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| All of this could be avoided if BL would just be a little more proactive. in
the process of new stores opening. eBay has limits on both the amount you can
list and the value of what you can list. Scammers will always be able to scam
but it needs to be a little harder then it is.
Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | In Suggestions, legoman77 writes:
| | In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | In Suggestions, TexMexSu writes:
| | In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | You may win this game once or twice or even a few more times. But eventually
you are going to run across a seller who looks suspicious at first but later
turns out to be legit. Are you willing to risk your home and family's well-being
if you are wrong?
Thor
|
Huh?
Please excuse me for being dense but......
......exactly how does (at worst) not paying for a Lego order "risk your home
and family's well-being"?
|
Did you actually read the entire post and thread before latching on to this one
part? Because if you did you might realize I was talking in the context of someone
who buys out a store's entire inventory worth tens of thousands or even hundreds
of thousands of dollars. And something that large definitely makes taking legal
action more economically viable. Obviously, we're not talking about a $15
order here.
Now you may, in your ignorance, dismiss it as legal "mumbo jumbo", but both legally
and according to BL's Terms of Service, placing an order here creates a binding
contract (at least in the USA). If you fail or refuse to perform that contract
you can be sued for breach of contract. Any judgment against you could then be
enforced against you by collecting against your assets (e.g. your home) and/or
garnishing your wages.
If anyone placed a $100,000 order with me as a joke or to give me a hard time,
and I knew they had assets or a good job, I would definitely be inclined to take
them to court to collect what they owe me. If that makes me a "bad" person in
your book, so be it.
Thor
|
But would not a contract require signatures?
|
No.
| | Since BL is not in the US would person bringing suit have to take it to the world court?
|
No.
| | Are contracts made on the internet without a meeting of the minds, only accepting
the sites rules, (which would be hard to prove they even read) which would be
a rule or obligation made by a third party be enforceable?
|
Your question does not reflect the reality of BrickLink orders and assumes things
which are not true.
| | Even for a small amount like 100K would be hard to enforce or actually impossible.
|
Not at all. I have sued and collected on much smaller amounts.
| | I can see a judge laughing his ass off when the suit came before the judge.
|
You have a vivid imagination. More commonly it is the lawyers laughing their
asses off all the way to bank because people are so ignorant of the law and legal
system.
| | "This guy is suing someone online for not paying for a box of Lego which was
never sent to him."
|
You know quite well that is not what we are talking about here.
| | I think that here has to be a bit or reality over what is really going on. The
seller would have to prove damages and that there was a loss because of their
stock being tied up. That would be impossible to prove anyway.
|
John, you really don't know what you are talking about here. Damages would
not be difficult to prove, especially with the price guide. And there are more
types of damages and claims than you know. For example, if the vigilante buyer
were also a seller, he could then also be sued for violations of anti-competition
laws and unfair and deceptive trade practices.
| | I think the reality of the situation trumps legalities.
|
The reality here is that we are not talking about your run of the mill BL order.
We are talking about something much more substantial and worth going after. We
are also talking about more than just a mere breach of contract.
| | Just a layman's opinion from watching Judge Judy and The Peoples Court.
|
LOL! No wonder.
Thor
|
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| Author: | ToriHada | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 19:59 | | Subject: | Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 82 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, legoman77 writes:
| | In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | In Suggestions, TexMexSu writes:
| | In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | You may win this game once or twice or even a few more times. But eventually
you are going to run across a seller who looks suspicious at first but later
turns out to be legit. Are you willing to risk your home and family's well-being
if you are wrong?
Thor
|
Huh?
Please excuse me for being dense but......
......exactly how does (at worst) not paying for a Lego order "risk your home
and family's well-being"?
|
Did you actually read the entire post and thread before latching on to this one
part? Because if you did you might realize I was talking in the context of someone
who buys out a store's entire inventory worth tens of thousands or even hundreds
of thousands of dollars. And something that large definitely makes taking legal
action more economically viable. Obviously, we're not talking about a $15
order here.
Now you may, in your ignorance, dismiss it as legal "mumbo jumbo", but both legally
and according to BL's Terms of Service, placing an order here creates a binding
contract (at least in the USA). If you fail or refuse to perform that contract
you can be sued for breach of contract. Any judgment against you could then be
enforced against you by collecting against your assets (e.g. your home) and/or
garnishing your wages.
If anyone placed a $100,000 order with me as a joke or to give me a hard time,
and I knew they had assets or a good job, I would definitely be inclined to take
them to court to collect what they owe me. If that makes me a "bad" person in
your book, so be it.
Thor
|
But would not a contract require signatures?
|
No.
| | Since BL is not in the US would person bringing suit have to take it to the world court?
|
No.
| | Are contracts made on the internet without a meeting of the minds, only accepting
the sites rules, (which would be hard to prove they even read) which would be
a rule or obligation made by a third party be enforceable?
|
Your question does not reflect the reality of BrickLink orders and assumes things
which are not true.
| | Even for a small amount like 100K would be hard to enforce or actually impossible.
|
Not at all. I have sued and collected on much smaller amounts.
| | I can see a judge laughing his ass off when the suit came before the judge.
|
You have a vivid imagination. More commonly it is the lawyers laughing their
asses off all the way to bank because people are so ignorant of the law and legal
system.
| | "This guy is suing someone online for not paying for a box of Lego which was
never sent to him."
|
You know quite well that is not what we are talking about here.
| | I think that here has to be a bit or reality over what is really going on. The
seller would have to prove damages and that there was a loss because of their
stock being tied up. That would be impossible to prove anyway.
|
John, you really don't know what you are talking about here. Damages would
not be difficult to prove, especially with the price guide. And there are more
types of damages and claims than you know. For example, if the vigilante buyer
were also a seller, he could then also be sued for violations of anti-competition
laws and unfair and deceptive trade practices.
| | I think the reality of the situation trumps legalities.
|
The reality here is that we are not talking about your run of the mill BL order.
We are talking about something much more substantial and worth going after. We
are also talking about more than just a mere breach of contract.
| | Just a layman's opinion from watching Judge Judy and The Peoples Court.
|
LOL! No wonder.
Thor
|
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| Author: | legoman77 | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 19:31 | | Subject: | Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 70 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
|
| In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | In Suggestions, TexMexSu writes:
| | In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | You may win this game once or twice or even a few more times. But eventually
you are going to run across a seller who looks suspicious at first but later
turns out to be legit. Are you willing to risk your home and family's well-being
if you are wrong?
Thor
|
Huh?
Please excuse me for being dense but......
......exactly how does (at worst) not paying for a Lego order "risk your home
and family's well-being"?
|
Did you actually read the entire post and thread before latching on to this one
part? Because if you did you might realize I was talking in the context of someone
who buys out a store's entire inventory worth tens of thousands or even hundreds
of thousands of dollars. And something that large definitely makes taking legal
action more economically viable. Obviously, we're not talking about a $15
order here.
Now you may, in your ignorance, dismiss it as legal "mumbo jumbo", but both legally
and according to BL's Terms of Service, placing an order here creates a binding
contract (at least in the USA). If you fail or refuse to perform that contract
you can be sued for breach of contract. Any judgment against you could then be
enforced against you by collecting against your assets (e.g. your home) and/or
garnishing your wages.
If anyone placed a $100,000 order with me as a joke or to give me a hard time,
and I knew they had assets or a good job, I would definitely be inclined to take
them to court to collect what they owe me. If that makes me a "bad" person in
your book, so be it.
Thor
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But would not a contract require signatures? Since BL is not in the US would
person bringing suit have to take it to the world court?
Are contracts made on the internet without a meeting of the minds, only accepting
the sites rules, (which would be hard to prove they even read) which would be
a rule or obligation made by a third party be enforceable?
Even for a small amount like 100K would be hard to enforce or actually impossible.
I can see a judge laughing his ass off when the suit came before the judge.
"This guy is suing someone online for not paying for a box of Lego which was
never sent to him."
I think that here has to be a bit or reality over what is really going on. The
seller would have to prove damages and that there was a loss because of their
stock being tied up. That would be impossible to prove anyway. I think the
reality of the situation trumps legalities.
Just a layman's opinion from watching Judge Judy and The Peoples Court.
And of course watching Honey Boo Boo.
John P
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 19:28 | | Subject: | Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 41 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Palindrome53 writes:
| | […]
and to be exact the original citation is from Edmund Burke and not Einstein
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Yep, before, when you couldn’t remember, you’d say “a great (or wise) man said.”
Nowadays, everything profund ever said is attributed to Albert Einstein.
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| Author: | ToriHada | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 19:03 | | Subject: | Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 73 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TexMexSu writes:
| | In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | You may win this game once or twice or even a few more times. But eventually
you are going to run across a seller who looks suspicious at first but later
turns out to be legit. Are you willing to risk your home and family's well-being
if you are wrong?
Thor
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Huh?
Please excuse me for being dense but......
......exactly how does (at worst) not paying for a Lego order "risk your home
and family's well-being"?
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Did you actually read the entire post and thread before latching on to this one
part? Because if you did you might realize I was talking in the context of someone
who buys out a store's entire inventory worth tens of thousands or even hundreds
of thousands of dollars. And something that large definitely makes taking legal
action more economically viable. Obviously, we're not talking about a $15
order here.
Now you may, in your ignorance, dismiss it as legal "mumbo jumbo", but both legally
and according to BL's Terms of Service, placing an order here creates a binding
contract (at least in the USA). If you fail or refuse to perform that contract
you can be sued for breach of contract. Any judgment against you could then be
enforced against you by collecting against your assets (e.g. your home) and/or
garnishing your wages.
If anyone placed a $100,000 order with me as a joke or to give me a hard time,
and I knew they had assets or a good job, I would definitely be inclined to take
them to court to collect what they owe me. If that makes me a "bad" person in
your book, so be it.
Thor
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| Author: | Palindrome53 | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 19:02 | | Subject: | Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 48 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, qwertyboy writes:
| | Very dramatic picture, but entirely inappropriate for this discussion. There
are other ways of taking action, like informing BL of a suspect shop. In fact,
the people that you see in your picture are doing the very same thing - speaking
up.
Please try and stay relevant instead of over-dramatizing things.
Niek.
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and to be exact the original citation is from Edmund Burke and not Einstein
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| Author: | BLUSER_27068 | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 18:52 | | Subject: | Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 65 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | You may win this game once or twice or even a few more times. But eventually
you are going to run across a seller who looks suspicious at first but later
turns out to be legit. Are you willing to risk your home and family's well-being
if you are wrong?
Thor
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Huh?
Please excuse me for being dense but......
......exactly how does (at worst) not paying for a Lego order "risk your home
and family's well-being"?
Pretty sure not paying for a toy order would not mean diddly squat to my family
or their well being.
Please, no legal mumbo jumbo about a binding contract lawsuit over this sort
of thing.
As far as I know no one has ever been reprimanded legally for not following through
on a BL order.
(if there is I am pretty sure I know whom one of the parties would be)
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| Author: | SylvainLS | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 18:41 | | Subject: | Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 49 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | […]
When you take
the law into your own hands without knowing all the facts, you run the risk of
hurting others and becoming the criminal yourself. So it is better to leave such
things to the professionals who are trained on how to recognize and handle the
problem. Here on BrickLink, that professional is Admin and no one else.
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Just a coincidence¹: I’m right now watching Hang’Em High on the French TV 
¹ or maybe not: there are a lot of vigilante or at least vengeance movies,
so that one is on TV somewhere at anytime isn’t that unlikely. Still, one of
the best movies about justice.
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| Author: | QA_Ryan | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 18:25 | | Subject: | Re: Exclude incomplete set checkbox catalog page | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, BRICK_BLUE writes:
| | There used to be a exclude incomplete checkbox on the catalog page. Any chance
we can get this back. You can put it right below the exclude superlots checkbox.
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You may have noticed we added this last Thursday. It is a checkbox in the Condition
drop-down that also lets you filter for Incomplete and Sealed too now.
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| Author: | bb316892 | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 18:17 | | Subject: | Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 64 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Truthfully, the thing that sticks out to me is purposely placing an order without
planning on paying for it. I have only been selling a short time but if anyone
buys all of my store and then says "kidding!" I will want his/her head on a platter
and probably call my congressman to boot.
It is good to watch out for scammers but be careful of going after someone who
may not be guilty.
Paul
In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | BrickLink should prohibit vigilante orders like the one noted in this thread:
http://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=193629
Vigilante orders are bogus orders members place with a store they believe to
be a scammer with the intent to protect other members from being scammed before
BrickLink has time to act on any complaints about such a store. While vigilantes
may claim their intentions are good, I believe there are too many risks and potential
problems with self-appointing oneself as cop, prosecutor, judge and jury in such
a manner.
For one thing, the vigilante may turn out to be incorrect in believing a new
seller to be a scammer. By placing his bogus order, the vigilante harms the new
seller, buyers who might otherwise order from such seller, and the vigilante
himself who now risks an NPB or legal action for breach of contract.
Second, these vigilante orders mess up the Price Guide by validating the bogus
prices to the detriment of others who rely on the Price Guide later.
As others said, two wrongs don't make a right. Placing an order is a binding
contract and, regardless of your reasons, it is just plain wrong to place an
order without any intent of following through with it.
Allowing these vigilante orders will create further problems down the road. If
you justify vigilante orders for new sellers who are thought to be scammers,
someone later on will justify them for not-so-new sellers whose terms they subjectively
believe are invalid, or for seller they think take too long to ship, or for sellers
they believe don't honor PayPal's terms, etc., etc. Once you allow these
vigilante orders, where do you draw the line?
BrickLink should never delegate to any member the power to shut down a store.
Allowing these vigilante orders would effectively make every member an Admin
with the ability to shut down any store they want if they subjectively feel they
are helping other members by doing so. This is a dangerous slippery slope that
should stay exclusively within BrickLink's power.
As such, any member caught making a vigilante order should receive an automatic
NPB.
Thor
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| Author: | Geniac | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 18:02 | | Subject: | Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 58 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Caveat Emptor
As a fairly new member of BrickLink, I would like to chime in on this debate.
Even as a newbie, I check the feedback of sellers before I order. If something
looks at all dodgy, I steered clear. Even for small purchases.
Obviously, a scam store is a problem for the whole site. But the idea that someone
needs to protect buyers, especially newbies, from such stores by rather extreme
means seems a bit unnecessary.
While I understand the idea...stop a newbie from being scammed and therefore
spreading a bad opinion of the site...I think that a certain about of responsibility
falls on said buyers to make sure the store from which they are purchasing is
legit. Especially if they are about to shell out a significant amount of money.
Let the buyer beware until an Admin shuts it down.
Shaun
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| Author: | ToriHada | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 17:23 | | Subject: | Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 72 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, legoman77 writes:
| | Testing a store is not the same as riding out on a horse and hanging the bad guy.
|
Completely buying out a new seller's inventory you never intend to pay for
so the new seller cannot receive any other orders is not mere "testing a store".
BTW, nice picture. You would be surprised to learn how often those vigilante
groups have been successfully sued for unlawful detention, assault, battery,
harassment, kidnapping, and other crimes.
Thor
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| Author: | ToriHada | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 17:13 | | Subject: | Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 75 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, QCHUCKA writes:
| | In Suggestions, prairie writes:
| | In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | For one thing, the vigilante may turn out to be incorrect in believing a new
seller to be a scammer. By placing his bogus order, the vigilante harms the new
seller, buyers who might otherwise order from such seller, and the vigilante
himself who now risks an NPB or legal action for breach of contract.
|
It'd only be fair to hold the buyer to their commitment, or if they made
a knowingly fraudulent offer to buy everything, show them the door just as they
wanted done for the alleged scammer.
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I am the person in question. And if the items were legitimate I would have definitely
bought some of them since the prices were absurdly good. I would have requested
to change my order to be quite a bit less.
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Some? By submitting an order you are obligated to buy everything in that order.
Of course, you can ask the seller to cancel or revise the order. But the seller
does not have to agree. I don't know the size of the order in question here,
but it is probably rather large and maybe in the tens of thousands of dollars.
If the seller turns out to be legit and declines your request, are you prepared
to make that payment? Sure, you can always accept an NPB if you are wrong and
refuse to pay - up to a certain point. But an NPB won't let you off the hook
if the seller decides to legally enforce the contract outside of BrickLink.
You may win this game once or twice or even a few more times. But eventually
you are going to run across a seller who looks suspicious at first but later
turns out to be legit. Are you willing to risk your home and family's well-being
if you are wrong?
Thor
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| Author: | legoman77 | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 17:08 | | Subject: | Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 72 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | In Suggestions, legoman77 writes:
| |
While BL often takes quick action at other times they do not. The are sellers
still hear with multiple negatives and neutrals who should not be here. Some
are quite notorious.
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This brings up the slippery slope problem. If BrickLink allows vigilante orders
against new sellers who are BELIEVED to be scammers, how much further will the
vigilantes take this down the road? Will they place bogus orders with HoL or
Brasletty buying out all their inventory so future buyers don't have problems
with them? Where do you draw the line once you allow vigilantism for each member's
own subjective beliefs about the rightness or wrongness of a seller's listings
or practices?
Thor
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That is precisely why I do not think that this is an easy discussion. There
is good and bad in testing a store. I find that self policing can work at times.
Often BL lets things go too long, other times they are right on the problem.
They also let some things slide. Testing a store is not the same as riding
out on a horse and hanging the bad guy. It is a bit more benevolent but not
an all encompassing answer to the problem.
John P
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| Author: | ToriHada | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 17:02 | | Subject: | Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 95 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, legoman77 writes:
| |
While BL often takes quick action at other times they do not. The are sellers
still hear with multiple negatives and neutrals who should not be here. Some
are quite notorious.
|
This brings up the slippery slope problem. If BrickLink allows vigilante orders
against new sellers who are BELIEVED to be scammers, how much further will the
vigilantes take this down the road? Will they place bogus orders with HoL or
Brasletty buying out all their inventory so future buyers don't have problems
with them? Where do you draw the line once you allow vigilantism for each member's
own subjective beliefs about the rightness or wrongness of a seller's listings
or practices?
Thor
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| Author: | ToriHada | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 16:54 | | Subject: | Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 76 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, QCHUCKA writes:
| | The important question is what can be done to prevent these people from creating
new stores? I don't have a solution
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I completely agree. But I don't agree that vigilante orders are any part
of the solution. Vigilantism only adds to the problem.
| |
I ask another question. If you see someone getting mugged in the street, do
you sit back and call the cops and wait for them to help, even though they are
most likely minutes away? Or would you perhaps intervene? This is clearly not
the same situation, but similarly injustice is taking place.
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No, it is not the same situation. Not even close. But I will answer anyway. The
appropriateness of your intervention depends on the specific facts of each situation
AND the precise manner in which you intervene. If it was an obvious mugging where
the bad guy pulled a gun or knife on the victim, you would be legally and morally
justified in intervening. In some states, that may include pulling out your own
gun and having a shootout with the mugger right there in the middle of the street.
But if you accidentally hit the victim or any bystander, your good intentions
will mean very little. Now suppose you BELIEVE a mugging is taking place even
though it is not clear to others and no weapons are seen. For example, you see
an elderly woman surrounding by 3 or 4 thuggish looking youths in hoodies and
the lady appears to be worried or upset. Would you pull a gun out and start shooting
or tackling the youths? What if it turned out that the youths were actually her
grandchildren telling her that grandpa was just in a car accident? When you take
the law into your own hands without knowing all the facts, you run the risk of
hurting others and becoming the criminal yourself. So it is better to leave such
things to the professionals who are trained on how to recognize and handle the
problem. Here on BrickLink, that professional is Admin and no one else.
| | Thankfully the admins were prompt, but lets say that they were not and his store
remained open for any number of more days. I would have felt bad if even one
person was scammed, knowing I could have done something to stop it.
|
It is not your responsibility (moral or otherwise) to enforce BrickLink's
rules. Yes, you can report perceived wrongdoing. But it is BrickLink or Admin
that actually has the responsibility to assess the matter and, if appropriate,
act on it. I am all for "self-policing" here on BrickLink, but only to the extent
of reporting or exposing a problem. I most definitely do not want any and all
BL members to have the power to take actual punitive or even preventive action
against me or any other members unless specifically authorized by BrickLink to
do so. As far as I know, only Admin, the sub-Admins and the Forum Mods have any
power or authority to intervene and take actual action against other BL members.
And I would like to keep it that way.
Thor
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| Author: | Captain_Q | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 16:49 | | Subject: | Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 61 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, prairie writes:
| | In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | For one thing, the vigilante may turn out to be incorrect in believing a new
seller to be a scammer. By placing his bogus order, the vigilante harms the new
seller, buyers who might otherwise order from such seller, and the vigilante
himself who now risks an NPB or legal action for breach of contract.
|
It'd only be fair to hold the buyer to their commitment, or if they made
a knowingly fraudulent offer to buy everything, show them the door just as they
wanted done for the alleged scammer.
|
I am the person in question. And if the items were legitimate I would have definitely
bought some of them since the prices were absurdly good. I would have requested
to change my order to be quite a bit less.
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| Author: | Proprietor | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 16:46 | | Subject: | Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, derzy writes:
| | Second, these vigilante orders mess up the Price Guide by validating the bogus
prices to the detriment of others who rely on the Price Guide later.
actually these orders don't affect the price guide.as I told you already
the priceguide resets after an order is cancelled.so your talking pure BS.
better to have 'forum police' as you put it rather than allowing OBVIOUS
scammers to operate on bricklink.
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The price guide gets messed up regardless.
Does anyone really believe 2 new UCS Falcons were sold in March for US$700?
Or even the 1 for $1,000?
http://www.bricklink.com/catalogPG.asp?S=10179-1&ColorID=0
Not a chance, but for whatever reason, those orders weren't cancelled even
though I'm sure the store was closed and the sale was never consummated.
Also, some of these scammers actually sell all of their fake sets, so having
a vigilante buy them instead doesn't help or hurt the price guide any more
than the "sale" to the scammed buyer.
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| Author: | prairie | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 16:42 | | Subject: | Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | For one thing, the vigilante may turn out to be incorrect in believing a new
seller to be a scammer. By placing his bogus order, the vigilante harms the new
seller, buyers who might otherwise order from such seller, and the vigilante
himself who now risks an NPB or legal action for breach of contract.
|
It'd only be fair to hold the buyer to their commitment, or if they made
a knowingly fraudulent offer to buy everything, show them the door just as they
wanted done for the alleged scammer.
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| Author: | legoman77 | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 16:40 | | Subject: | Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 69 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| This is a hard one to decide on. OP lists some good points and you list some
good points.
While BL often takes quick action at other times they do not. The are sellers
still hear with multiple negatives and neutrals who should not be here. Some
are quite notorious. How many new members have they turned off who went to other,
more prominent sites. Because of the sellers insistence that they never do anything
wrong. Many new members probably do not know what a NSS is and think that leaving
feedback is the way to out the offending seller. (I am a firm believer that
using only the percentage of negative feedbacks does not tell the whole story.)
Since there are many sellers here that should not be here, your act was noble
in my eyes. I would prefer the use of a word other than "vigilante" such as
"testing" like in the great speech "testing whether this site or any site so
conceived and so dedicated can long endure...It is altogether fitting and proper
that we should do this." Obliviously you picked the right store to test as they
seem to be suspended for the time being. It is hard to argue with success.
If I were a buyer or seller I would thank you.
John P
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| Author: | calebfishn | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 16:20 | | Subject: | Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I understand your reasoning.
But the solution is unnecessary and unworkable.
I do not necessarily condone what you refer to as "vigilante orders", but Bricklink
should be focussed on blocking criminal scammers, not hunting for "vigilantes".
Anyone who believes that someone placed an order in their store that was not
in good faith, already has recourse through several systems already in place.
We do not need "vigilantes" judging and hunting for other "vigilantes".
By all means express your disapproval in the forum, but leave Bricklink out of
it.
I vote no.
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| Author: | Captain_Q | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 15:50 | | Subject: | Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 104 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | BrickLink should prohibit vigilante orders like the one noted in this thread:
http://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=193629
Vigilante orders are bogus orders members place with a store they believe to
be a scammer with the intent to protect other members from being scammed before
BrickLink has time to act on any complaints about such a store. While vigilantes
may claim their intentions are good, I believe there are too many risks and potential
problems with self-appointing oneself as cop, prosecutor, judge and jury in such
a manner.
For one thing, the vigilante may turn out to be incorrect in believing a new
seller to be a scammer. By placing his bogus order, the vigilante harms the new
seller, buyers who might otherwise order from such seller, and the vigilante
himself who now risks an NPB or legal action for breach of contract.
Second, these vigilante orders mess up the Price Guide by validating the bogus
prices to the detriment of others who rely on the Price Guide later.
As others said, two wrongs don't make a right. Placing an order is a binding
contract and, regardless of your reasons, it is just plain wrong to place an
order without any intent of following through with it.
Allowing these vigilante orders will create further problems down the road. If
you justify vigilante orders for new sellers who are thought to be scammers,
someone later on will justify them for not-so-new sellers whose terms they subjectively
believe are invalid, or for seller they think take too long to ship, or for sellers
they believe don't honor PayPal's terms, etc., etc. Once you allow these
vigilante orders, where do you draw the line?
BrickLink should never delegate to any member the power to shut down a store.
Allowing these vigilante orders would effectively make every member an Admin
with the ability to shut down any store they want if they subjectively feel they
are helping other members by doing so. This is a dangerous slippery slope that
should stay exclusively within BrickLink's power.
As such, any member caught making a vigilante order should receive an automatic
NPB.
Thor
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Yes, you make some valid points I agree that my action was not necessarily the
best choice to take. But I saw what I perceived as a live grenade with it's
pinned pulled. I chose to land on that grenade so other buyers would not potentially
be hit with the explosive fallout and thankfully it was a dud and the admins
saw that and combined his current store into his previous suspended store.
But I didn't do it without consideration. I saw a multitude of flags that
screamed out that this guy was a scammer.
The Facts
1. - he has zero feedback (doesn't necessarily mean anything, but it does
not help his case)
2. - he has an awful lot of inventory value for someone that is new (always suspicious)
3. - someone found that he was associated with several other stores that have
been closed/suspended
4. - I have emailed the said scammer back and forth before and after my "purchase".
I have caught him in several lies in regards to the suspension, about having
multiple accounts, etc.
5. - he claims "I'm a supplier of Ed Padol ( brick dudes ) and Vincent from
Asia." (which seem a highly dubious claim considering he has multiple suspended
stores)
Perhaps I should be punished with an NPB or something of the sort, I took the
risk and I will take any punishment that fits. I have no marks on my account
at this point, so it would be my first.
I think your energy is misplaced tbh. To me, this is a cry out for a restructuring
of how anybody can create a store. I think there needs to be some preventative
measure put in place, because this scammer has created multiple stores before
and will most likely do it again. Because clearly he has made some money doing
it and has been basically slapped on the wrist over and over.
The important question is what can be done to prevent these people from creating
new stores? I don't have a solution
I ask another question. If you see someone getting mugged in the street, do
you sit back and call the cops and wait for them to help, even though they are
most likely minutes away? Or would you perhaps intervene? This is clearly not
the same situation, but similarly injustice is taking place.
Thankfully the admins were prompt, but lets say that they were not and his store
remained open for any number of more days. I would have felt bad if even one
person was scammed, knowing I could have done something to stop it.
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| Author: | Reki_Lobsheek | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 15:46 | | Subject: | Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I get the sentiment of your statement, but all in all, how is Bricklink to decide
which order fits the definition of a "vigilante" order?
Reki
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| Author: | ToriHada | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 15:41 | | Subject: | Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tEoS writes:
| | Reporting to the administration is our only option for removing scammers and
that is how it should be, until they come up with some solution to this issue.
No one individual beside administration should have the power to remove a store.
|
Aaahhh... At last... Some common sense!
Thor
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| Author: | enig | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 15:41 | | Subject: | Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 54 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tEoS writes:
| | Reporting to the administration is our only option for removing scammers and
that is how it should be, until they come up with some solution to this issue.
No one individual beside administration should have the power to remove a store.
| | But it does nothing to prevent someone getting scammed until admins react.
Taking action by placing a vigilante order DOES save someone from losing their
money.
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|
I have no problems paying up after "removing" an entire store of select UCS sets
at 50% off, if it turns out to be legit.
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| Author: | tEoS | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 15:37 | | Subject: | Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 53 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Reporting to the administration is our only option for removing scammers and
that is how it should be, until they come up with some solution to this issue.
No one individual beside administration should have the power to remove a store.
| | But it does nothing to prevent someone getting scammed until admins react.
Taking action by placing a vigilante order DOES save someone from losing their
money.
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| Author: | Deepwoods | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 15:32 | | Subject: | Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| This entire episode seems a little absurd... it's already in the terms about
following through with your orders, isn't it? (saving exactly what is a "binding
contract" outside the US for another discussion)
But really, what's the point? there's nothing stopping anyone from connecting
to an IP leaser/spoofer, temporarily spoof an anonymous international address,
create a fake account, carry out their vigilante purpose & allow all that to
evaporate, rinse&repeat...
wouldn't it just be so much more prudent to simply just better proof all
sellers - especially newly created accounts.
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| Author: | enig | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 15:23 | | Subject: | Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, qwertyboy writes:
| | Very dramatic picture, but entirely inappropriate for this discussion. There
are other ways of taking action, like informing BL of a suspect shop. In fact,
the people that you see in your picture are doing the very same thing - speaking
up.
Please try and stay relevant instead of over-dramatizing things.
Niek.
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Taking action does not necessarily mean making any difference. You can take action
by doing what people in the picture are doing - speaking up (reporting to HD).
But it does nothing to prevent someone getting scammed until admins react.
Taking action by placing a vigilante order DOES save someone from losing their
money.
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| Author: | qwertyboy | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 15:12 | | Subject: | Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 71 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Very dramatic picture, but entirely inappropriate for this discussion. There
are other ways of taking action, like informing BL of a suspect shop. In fact,
the people that you see in your picture are doing the very same thing - speaking
up.
Please try and stay relevant instead of over-dramatizing things.
Niek.
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| Author: | enig | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 15:07 | | Subject: | Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 88 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, fosterbengoshi writes:
| | BrickLink should prohibit vigilante orders like the one noted in this thread:
http://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=193629
Vigilante orders are bogus orders members place with a store they believe to
be a scammer with the intent to protect other members from being scammed before
BrickLink has time to act on any complaints about such a store. While vigilantes
may claim their intentions are good, I believe there are too many risks and potential
problems with self-appointing oneself as cop, prosecutor, judge and jury in such
a manner.
For one thing, the vigilante may turn out to be incorrect in believing a new
seller to be a scammer. By placing his bogus order, the vigilante harms the new
seller, buyers who might otherwise order from such seller, and the vigilante
himself who now risks an NPB or legal action for breach of contract.
Second, these vigilante orders mess up the Price Guide by validating the bogus
prices to the detriment of others who rely on the Price Guide later.
As others said, two wrongs don't make a right. Placing an order is a binding
contract and, regardless of your reasons, it is just plain wrong to place an
order without any intent of following through with it.
Allowing these vigilante orders will create further problems down the road. If
you justify vigilante orders for new sellers who are thought to be scammers,
someone later on will justify them for not-so-new sellers whose terms they subjectively
believe are invalid, or for seller they think take too long to ship, or for sellers
they believe don't honor PayPal's terms, etc., etc. Once you allow these
vigilante orders, where do you draw the line?
BrickLink should never delegate to any member the power to shut down a store.
Allowing these vigilante orders would effectively make every member an Admin
with the ability to shut down any store they want if they subjectively feel they
are helping other members by doing so. This is a dangerous slippery slope that
should stay exclusively within BrickLink's power.
As such, any member caught making a vigilante order should receive an automatic
NPB.
Thor
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| Author: | ToriHada | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 14:54 | | Subject: | Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 64 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, qwertyboy writes:
| | In Suggestions, Biglesdug writes:
| | Oh god...
Was this really a necessary thread? This isn't something that bricklink told
us to do. So what is the point of making a suggestion to prohibit something that
is already prohibited?
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You are correct, this is already prohibited. However, there are no real consequences
to doing the vigilante thing (aside from the possible NPB, law suit etc).
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Part of this suggestion is to impose real consequences to these vigilante orders
even if the seller's store is suspended by BrickLink.
| | It would definitely make a difference if BL were to announce an official stance
here.
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Agreed. Especially now that a member has publicly admitted to placing such a
vigilante order and others are publicly patting him on the back for doing so.
Because next time, someone else is going to want to hurry to be the "hero" who
saves us all from the evil dreaded scammer.
Thor
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| Author: | qwertyboy | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 14:48 | | Subject: | Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Biglesdug writes:
| | Oh god...
Was this really a necessary thread? This isn't something that bricklink told
us to do. So what is the point of making a suggestion to prohibit something that
is already prohibited?
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You are correct, this is already prohibited. However, there are no real consequences
to doing the vigilante thing (aside from the possible NPB, law suit etc).
It would definitely make a difference if BL were to announce an official stance
here.
Niek.
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| Author: | ToriHada | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 14:46 | | Subject: | Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 76 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, Biglesdug writes:
| | Oh god...
Was this really a necessary thread? This isn't something that bricklink told
us to do. So what is the point of making a suggestion to prohibit something that
is already prohibited?
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Is this already prohibited? From reading the other related thread, there are
some who are arguing that this is not actually prohibited. Their argument seems
to be that the "placing an order is a binding contract" rule does not apply if
they think the goods don't exist or their order is not a "real" order.
If BL already prohibits vigilante orders, great! If not, or if it is not clear,
then maybe BL should make this more clear. I would love to hear what a BL Admin
thinks about this and the reasoning given by others in the related thread to
justify placing a vigilante order.
Thor
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| Author: | Biglesdug | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 14:39 | | Subject: | Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 85 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Oh god...
Was this really a necessary thread? This isn't something that bricklink told
us to do. So what is the point of making a suggestion to prohibit something that
is already prohibited?
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| Author: | ToriHada | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 14:21 | | Subject: | Re: Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 99 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, derzy writes:
| | Second, these vigilante orders mess up the Price Guide by validating the bogus
prices to the detriment of others who rely on the Price Guide later.
actually these orders don't affect the price guide.as I told you already
the priceguide resets after an order is cancelled.so your talking pure BS.
better to have 'forum police' as you put it rather than allowing OBVIOUS
scammers to operate on bricklink.
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Really? They don't mess up the price guide? What about BEFORE the order is
canceled? You state above that "the price guide resets AFTER an order is cancelled".
So, from your statement, it is clear that the price guide reflects these bogus
orders until and unless the order is cancelled. It sometimes takes a few days
or more to shut down these stores. And then there is another delay while the
order goes through the cancellation process. IIRC, suspending a store for "preventive
action" does NOT automatically cancel orders that have already been placed. So,
at the very least, the Price Guide will be temporarily infected by these vigilante
orders.
BTW, would you care to respond to any of the OTHER reasons for opposing these
vigilante orders?
Thor
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| Author: | ToriHada | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 14:06 | | Subject: | Prohibit Vigilante Orders | | Viewed: | 703 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | | Status: | Open | | Vote: | [Yes|No] | |
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| BrickLink should prohibit vigilante orders like the one noted in this thread:
http://www.bricklink.com/messageThread.asp?ID=193629
Vigilante orders are bogus orders members place with a store they believe to
be a scammer with the intent to protect other members from being scammed before
BrickLink has time to act on any complaints about such a store. While vigilantes
may claim their intentions are good, I believe there are too many risks and potential
problems with self-appointing oneself as cop, prosecutor, judge and jury in such
a manner.
For one thing, the vigilante may turn out to be incorrect in believing a new
seller to be a scammer. By placing his bogus order, the vigilante harms the new
seller, buyers who might otherwise order from such seller, and the vigilante
himself who now risks an NPB or legal action for breach of contract.
Second, these vigilante orders mess up the Price Guide by validating the bogus
prices to the detriment of others who rely on the Price Guide later.
As others said, two wrongs don't make a right. Placing an order is a binding
contract and, regardless of your reasons, it is just plain wrong to place an
order without any intent of following through with it.
Allowing these vigilante orders will create further problems down the road. If
you justify vigilante orders for new sellers who are thought to be scammers,
someone later on will justify them for not-so-new sellers whose terms they subjectively
believe are invalid, or for seller they think take too long to ship, or for sellers
they believe don't honor PayPal's terms, etc., etc. Once you allow these
vigilante orders, where do you draw the line?
BrickLink should never delegate to any member the power to shut down a store.
Allowing these vigilante orders would effectively make every member an Admin
with the ability to shut down any store they want if they subjectively feel they
are helping other members by doing so. This is a dangerous slippery slope that
should stay exclusively within BrickLink's power.
As such, any member caught making a vigilante order should receive an automatic
NPB.
Thor
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| Author: | alexxgod | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 10:49 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 10695-1 | | Viewed: | 16 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, viejos writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, alexxgod writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change {3 to 1} Part White 54200 Slope 30 1 x 1 x 2/3 (Extra)
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This request has been rejected.
The only way extras can be deleted from an inventory is if it can be proven they
were added in error. In this case, we are quite certain they were present in
several sealed sets.
Russell
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ok no pb, perhaps different productions ways, because i opened 10 sets 10695
and all have only 1 extra 54200 white.
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| Author: | viejos | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 08:20 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 60062-1 | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 1 Part Black {30258 Road Sign Clip-on 2 x 2 Square to 15210 Road Sign Clip-On 2 x 2 Square with Extended Open O Clip}
Comments from Submitter:
sealed set
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| Author: | viejos | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 00:54 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 41109-1 | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 1 Part Black {30258 Road Sign Clip-on 2 x 2 Square to 15210 Road Sign Clip-On 2 x 2 Square with Extended Open O Clip}
Comments from Submitter:
sealed set
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| Author: | viejos | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 00:49 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 41109-1 | | Viewed: | 17 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 1 Part White {30258 Road Sign Clip-on 2 x 2 Square to 15210 Road Sign Clip-On 2 x 2 Square with Extended Open O Clip}
Comments from Submitter:
sealed set
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| Author: | paulvdb | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 00:15 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 41038-1 | | Viewed: | 13 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 15210 White Road Sign Clip-On 2 x 2 Square with Extended Open O Clip (Alternate) (match ID 4)
* Change 1 Part White 30258 Road Sign Clip-on 2 x 2 Square {match ID 0 to 4}
Comments from Submitter:
I am submitting this as alternate because I can't be sure if the other variant didn't also appear in this set. Based on my store inventory and sales history the new variant must have appeared in at least some of the sets that I parted out and it is possible that it appeared in all of them, but I can't be sure of that.
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| Author: | paulvdb | | Posted: | Aug 27, 2015 00:03 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 41103-1 | | Viewed: | 14 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 1 Part Dark Bluish Gray {30258 Road Sign Clip-on 2 x 2 Square to 15210 Road Sign Clip-On 2 x 2 Square with Extended Open O Clip}
Comments from Submitter:
I checked the parts in my store inventory and they are all 15210. They all came from parting out this set. I am submitting this as a change and not an alternate because the new variant was not yet in the catalog when this set was inventoried.
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| Author: | welo999 | | Posted: | Aug 26, 2015 16:42 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 60008-1 | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Minifig cty360a Police - LEGO City Undercover Elite Police Officer 1 - Black Beard (Alternate) (match ID 7)
* Change 1 Minifig cty360 Police - LEGO City Undercover Elite Police Officer 1 - Brown Beard {match ID 0 to 7}
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| Author: | FreeStorm | | Posted: | Aug 26, 2015 16:04 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 3568-1 | | Viewed: | 18 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 3004pb137 White Brick 1 x 2 with Yellow Digital '10' on White Background Pattern (Sticker) - Set 3568 (Counterpart)
* Add 2 Part 3004pb136 White Brick 1 x 2 with Yellow Digital '5' on White Background Pattern (Sticker) - Set 3568 (Counterpart)
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| Author: | happygolucky | | Posted: | Aug 26, 2015 12:41 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 75916-1 | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 3665pb007L White Slope, Inverted 45 2 x 1 with Claw Scratch Marks Pattern Model Left (Sticker) - Set 75916 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 3665pb007R White Slope, Inverted 45 2 x 1 with Claw Scratch Mark Pattern Model Right (Sticker) - Set 75916 (Counterpart)
* Add 2 Part 87552pb026 Blue Panel 1 x 2 x 2 with Side Supports - Hollow Studs with Jurassic World Logo Pattern (Sticker) - Set 75916 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 52031pb096 Blue Wedge 4 x 6 x 2/3 Triple Curved with 'JURASSIC WORLD' Logo and Claw Scratch Marks Pattern (Sticker) - Set 75916 (Counterpart)
Comments from Submitter:
Adding stickered counterparts to inventory. Thank you.
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| Author: | jennnifer | | Posted: | Aug 26, 2015 11:39 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 70168-1 | | Viewed: | 18 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| Hello,
That tile appears in the inventory for one of the minifigs in the set:
Thanks,
Jen
In Inventories Requests, clarkydicko writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 98138 Trans-Yellow Tile, Round 1 x 1
Comments from Submitter:
Missing from main inventory, only appears as extra.
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| Author: | viejos | | Posted: | Aug 26, 2015 11:38 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 70168-1 | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, clarkydicko writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 98138 Trans-Yellow Tile, Round 1 x 1
Comments from Submitter:
Missing from main inventory, only appears as extra.
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Check out the inventory of this fig:
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| Author: | beaverbrick | | Posted: | Aug 26, 2015 10:43 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 70168-1 | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 98138 Trans-Yellow Tile, Round 1 x 1
Comments from Submitter:
Missing from main inventory, only appears as extra.
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| Author: | gvbricks | | Posted: | Aug 26, 2015 09:17 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 9676-1 | | Viewed: | 21 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 75937 Black Plate, Modified 2 x 2 with Bar Frame Octagonal, Reinforced, Completely Round Studs (Alternate) (match ID 2)
* Change 1 Part Black 30033 Plate, Modified 2 x 2 with Bar Frame Octagonal {match ID 0 to 2}
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| Author: | gvbricks | | Posted: | Aug 26, 2015 08:47 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 9675-1 | | Viewed: | 17 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 75937 Black Plate, Modified 2 x 2 with Bar Frame Octagonal, Reinforced, Completely Round Studs (Alternate) (match ID 3)
* Change 1 Part Black 30033 Plate, Modified 2 x 2 with Bar Frame Octagonal {match ID 0 to 3}
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| Author: | gvbricks | | Posted: | Aug 26, 2015 08:10 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 9674-1 | | Viewed: | 14 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 74698 Black Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Lifting Ring Thick (Alternate) (match ID 2)
* Change 1 Part Black 2376 Tile, Round 2 x 2 with Lifting Ring Thin {match ID 0 to 2}
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| Author: | gvbricks | | Posted: | Aug 26, 2015 07:53 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 9674-1 | | Viewed: | 18 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 75937 Black Plate, Modified 2 x 2 with Bar Frame Octagonal, Reinforced, Completely Round Studs (Alternate) (match ID 1)
* Change 1 Part Black 30033 Plate, Modified 2 x 2 with Bar Frame Octagonal {match ID 0 to 1}
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| Author: | jayy2121 | | Posted: | Aug 25, 2015 15:12 | | Subject: | Re: Ranking up ideas to slow down potential SCAM | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| | | I am sure the number of NPB and NSS and scammers would immediately decrease.
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One way or the other....
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| Author: | legoman77 | | Posted: | Aug 25, 2015 14:45 | | Subject: | Re: Ranking up ideas to slow down potential SCAM | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| I propose a way to end scammers, NPB, NSS. Call in drones to take them out.
Film the first one attack and post it on all the Lego related sites and have
it play just before the final deal is made on each side. Every seller would
rush to send out the order, every buyer would pay quickly.
In the US, Bricklink could contract with Amazon (they are experimenting with
drone delivering packages.) Amazon probably knows where everyone lives.
However it would work I am sure the number of NPB and NSS and scammers would
immediately decrease.
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/news/a29182/the-skunk-drone-is-coming/
John P
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| Author: | Rick_S. | | Posted: | Aug 25, 2015 13:46 | | Subject: | Re: Ranking up ideas to slow down potential SCAM | | Viewed: | 64 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
| | Over the years a lot of suggestions have been made to prevent scam sellers from
getting loads of orders, take the money and run.
I'm sure BL is trying to work out systems to prevent such things from happening
in future, so it would be good to rank up all the potential options one could
imagine to have limitations, to have faster action on potential scam stores and
to potentially send warnings to buyers with open orders.
Please don't make this thread into a discussion, just state a clear idea,
without too much blah blah and without arguing about pro's and contra's,
without repeating or applauding to another ones suggestion, so just simple
things like the one below, with a brief indication/explanation of the option
Certain things could apply for new sellers with no feedback or when a member
opens a store (if if the member has hundreds or thousands of feedbacks from buying),
untill either they proof themselves by generating selling feedback, and/or by
giving proof items are in stock and/or by prooving who they are. Some of the
suggestion may conflict with eachother, but that is besides the intention of
the thread, let's just rank up the ideas in an easy to review thread for
the site admins so they can compile the ideas.
* Lot limitation: New sellers usually start pretty small and build up their store
along the way, so a lot limitation could prevent scammers using the PO function
on high valued sets. Example: maximum 200 lot's (legit sellers would probably
get a few orders a long the way and build up feedback)
* value limitation: example 500$, legit sellers would probably start small with
a limited inventory, get a few orders and work their way up. This limit would
exclude newbies from selling high valued sets soon they open a store, and for
legit sellers starting small, $500 is most likely quite a nice base to get started
(parts/minifigs/small and medium sets) and rank up some orders and feedbacks.
* maximum on 'number' of orders during the first month, for example 1/day
and 3/week, if no complaints during that month (no negatives, no neutrals, no
NSS/NRS statusses), upgrade to 2/day and 5/week the next month, if still no complaints,
full access
* Tags on high valued sets, so the admins would get a warning, sellers with a
sellers feedback lower then 10 for example.
* As admins can't be around 24/7: select a number of people worldwide who
can tag stores or listings, if a store or an item get's tagged by 3 different
people: Closure as 'preventive action', or block an item from being bought,
so the admins can review if there is a problem or not, the next business day
or their next avaliable moment online, with offcourse a mail to the admins to
check the situation or the item for sale that was 'locked'.
* If a store is locked (except if the reason is non payment of fees): a warning
to all buyers with open orders to either delay payment for a few days, to contact
seller to ask for tracking or proof of postage if shipped or ask information
about the status of the order and expected shippingdate if not yet shipped.
* Obligation for brand new sellers to have Paypal among the offered accepted
payment methods (after all they'll need to pay fees to BL for the sales,
so they need Paypal anyway).
* BL as temporary withholder of funds particulary on larger orders from newbie
sellers (I'm not in favor of this myself, but I do consider it an option).
* More proof on who sellers are, prior to being allowed opening a store: ID card
/ Drivers license / a small Paypal payment / Business documentation / etc, so
BL has the sellers details on record and can compare it to the registered address.
So, ideas like that with brief explanation and again, please don't make it
a discussion, just state your idea on what could help to improve BL in regards
to prevent scams
Eric
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My one suggestion was to verify they are who they say they are thru payment from
a verifiable source like PayPal and such, where a new seller would pay a $5 fee
thru PayPal or such which admin would then apply towards their account to pay
their fees.
paying money will deter many scammers, paying thru a site like PayPal verified
will also verify the seller is who they say they are.
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| Author: | TheBrickGuys | | Posted: | Aug 25, 2015 13:35 | | Subject: | Re: Ranking up ideas to slow down potential SCAM | | Viewed: | 62 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Set a limit for a max of $50.00 per item in their store for new stores with 0
to 20 FB's of just selling (the 20 FB's would not include FB's for
buying scene they could place several small orders to build up their FB). This
would be in place for their first 20 orders unless they agree to use an escrow
account set up by BrickLink. If they agree to an escrow account then no limits
or at least higher limits like $500.- to $1500.-.
If they cant wait a week or two to get there money on a high dollar set, well
then, that in itself says something about their character and at that point either
they sell lower dollar items or just not sell here at all.
Personally, I think it would be good for all new sellers to have to use an escrow
account set up by BL.
Jim
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| Author: | Singidunum | | Posted: | Aug 25, 2015 09:06 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 3108-1 | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 3957pb01 White Antenna 1 x 4 with Flag with Balloons Pattern (Sticker) - Set 3108 (Counterpart)
Comments from Submitter:
Counterpart item of the set 3108 Birthday Accessories
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| Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | Aug 25, 2015 07:51 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 42040-1 | | Viewed: | 27 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 2 Part 56903c01 White Wheel 18mm D. x 8mm with Fake Bolts and Shallow Spokes and Axle Hole with Black Tire Offset Tread - Band Around Center of Tread (56903 / 61254) (Counterpart)
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| Author: | calebfishn | | Posted: | Aug 25, 2015 07:51 | | Subject: | Re: Ranking up ideas to slow down potential SCAM | | Viewed: | 60 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
| | Over the years a lot of suggestions have been made to prevent scam sellers from
getting loads of orders, take the money and run.
I'm sure BL is trying to work out systems to prevent such things from happening
in future, so it would be good to rank up all the potential options one could
imagine to have limitations, to have faster action on potential scam stores and
to potentially send warnings to buyers with open orders.
Please don't make this thread into a discussion, just state a clear idea,
without too much blah blah and without arguing about pro's and contra's,
without repeating or applauding to another ones suggestion, so just simple
things like the one below, with a brief indication/explanation of the option
Certain things could apply for new sellers with no feedback or when a member
opens a store (if if the member has hundreds or thousands of feedbacks from buying),
untill either they proof themselves by generating selling feedback, and/or by
giving proof items are in stock and/or by prooving who they are. Some of the
suggestion may conflict with eachother, but that is besides the intention of
the thread, let's just rank up the ideas in an easy to review thread for
the site admins so they can compile the ideas.
* Lot limitation: New sellers usually start pretty small and build up their store
along the way, so a lot limitation could prevent scammers using the PO function
on high valued sets. Example: maximum 200 lot's (legit sellers would probably
get a few orders a long the way and build up feedback)
* value limitation: example 500$, legit sellers would probably start small with
a limited inventory, get a few orders and work their way up. This limit would
exclude newbies from selling high valued sets soon they open a store, and for
legit sellers starting small, $500 is most likely quite a nice base to get started
(parts/minifigs/small and medium sets) and rank up some orders and feedbacks.
* maximum on 'number' of orders during the first month, for example 1/day
and 3/week, if no complaints during that month (no negatives, no neutrals, no
NSS/NRS statusses), upgrade to 2/day and 5/week the next month, if still no complaints,
full access
* Tags on high valued sets, so the admins would get a warning, sellers with a
sellers feedback lower then 10 for example.
* As admins can't be around 24/7: select a number of people worldwide who
can tag stores or listings, if a store or an item get's tagged by 3 different
people: Closure as 'preventive action', or block an item from being bought,
so the admins can review if there is a problem or not, the next business day
or their next avaliable moment online, with offcourse a mail to the admins to
check the situation or the item for sale that was 'locked'.
* If a store is locked (except if the reason is non payment of fees): a warning
to all buyers with open orders to either delay payment for a few days, to contact
seller to ask for tracking or proof of postage if shipped or ask information
about the status of the order and expected shippingdate if not yet shipped.
* Obligation for brand new sellers to have Paypal among the offered accepted
payment methods (after all they'll need to pay fees to BL for the sales,
so they need Paypal anyway).
* BL as temporary withholder of funds particulary on larger orders from newbie
sellers (I'm not in favor of this myself, but I do consider it an option).
* More proof on who sellers are, prior to being allowed opening a store: ID card
/ Drivers license / a small Paypal payment / Business documentation / etc, so
BL has the sellers details on record and can compare it to the registered address.
So, ideas like that with brief explanation and again, please don't make it
a discussion, just state your idea on what could help to improve BL in regards
to prevent scams
Eric
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If you do away with anonymity, all other methods such as lot limits, value limits,
low feedback etc, become irrelevant.
Crime happens in the shadows. Remove the internet anonymity from sellers, making
it easier to identify and prosecute fraud artists, and you will reduce criminal
scams. Valid credit card and address and ID, with verified contact info is the
best way.
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| Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | Aug 25, 2015 07:49 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 42043-1 | | Viewed: | 19 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 18939c01 Light Bluish Gray Technic Turntable Large Type 3, Complete Assembly with Black Outside Gear Section (Counterpart)
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| Author: | Hygrotus | | Posted: | Aug 25, 2015 07:48 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 42042-1 | | Viewed: | 15 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 18939c01 Light Bluish Gray Technic Turntable Large Type 3, Complete Assembly with Black Outside Gear Section (Counterpart)
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| Author: | RobErNat | | Posted: | Aug 25, 2015 05:38 | | Subject: | Re: Ranking up ideas to slow down potential SCAM | | Viewed: | 57 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| * Forcing the need of a personal picture with a Post-it on it with the sellers
username or storename, if the item has a value of more then $200 (all new sellers
with a selling feedback less the 10) as of $500 for all sellers with a feedback
of less then 100, as of $1000: for all sellers regardless the feedback.
* For newbie sellers (less then 10 FB) the admins would need to 'accept'
the listing of a high valued set before it goes online (as of $500 for example),
so sellers can list it, get invited to post a picture (with the username on it),
upload the picture, admin checks the item, the sellers details, IP location,
etc, then approves the listing if it seems legit, then it goes online (so the
site has control over the listing before it goes online, in stead of running
behind the facts). Any legit seller won't mind doing so, the Scammers will
realise there is not much point in trying.
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| Author: | QCBricks | | Posted: | Aug 25, 2015 05:29 | | Subject: | Re: Ranking up ideas to slow down potential SCAM | | Viewed: | 67 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, RobErNat writes:
| | Over the years a lot of suggestions have been made to prevent scam sellers from
getting loads of orders, take the money and run.
I'm sure BL is trying to work out systems to prevent such things from happening
in future, so it would be good to rank up all the potential options one could
imagine to have limitations, to have faster action on potential scam stores and
to potentially send warnings to buyers with open orders.
Please don't make this thread into a discussion, just state a clear idea,
without too much blah blah and without arguing about pro's and contra's,
without repeating or applauding to another ones suggestion, so just simple
things like the one below, with a brief indication/explanation of the option
Certain things could apply for new sellers with no feedback or when a member
opens a store (if if the member has hundreds or thousands of feedbacks from buying),
untill either they proof themselves by generating selling feedback, and/or by
giving proof items are in stock and/or by prooving who they are. Some of the
suggestion may conflict with eachother, but that is besides the intention of
the thread, let's just rank up the ideas in an easy to review thread for
the site admins so they can compile the ideas.
* Lot limitation: New sellers usually start pretty small and build up their store
along the way, so a lot limitation could prevent scammers using the PO function
on high valued sets. Example: maximum 200 lot's (legit sellers would probably
get a few orders a long the way and build up feedback)
* value limitation: example 500$, legit sellers would probably start small with
a limited inventory, get a few orders and work their way up. This limit would
exclude newbies from selling high valued sets soon they open a store, and for
legit sellers starting small, $500 is most likely quite a nice base to get started
(parts/minifigs/small and medium sets) and rank up some orders and feedbacks.
* maximum on 'number' of orders during the first month, for example 1/day
and 3/week, if no complaints during that month (no negatives, no neutrals, no
NSS/NRS statusses), upgrade to 2/day and 5/week the next month, if still no complaints,
full access
* Tags on high valued sets, so the admins would get a warning, sellers with a
sellers feedback lower then 10 for example.
* As admins can't be around 24/7: select a number of people worldwide who
can tag stores or listings, if a store or an item get's tagged by 3 different
people: Closure as 'preventive action', or block an item from being bought,
so the admins can review if there is a problem or not, the next business day
or their next avaliable moment online, with offcourse a mail to the admins to
check the situation or the item for sale that was 'locked'.
* If a store is locked (except if the reason is non payment of fees): a warning
to all buyers with open orders to either delay payment for a few days, to contact
seller to ask for tracking or proof of postage if shipped or ask information
about the status of the order and expected shippingdate if not yet shipped.
* Obligation for brand new sellers to have Paypal among the offered accepted
payment methods (after all they'll need to pay fees to BL for the sales,
so they need Paypal anyway).
* BL as temporary withholder of funds particulary on larger orders from newbie
sellers (I'm not in favor of this myself, but I do consider it an option).
* More proof on who sellers are, prior to being allowed opening a store: ID card
/ Drivers license / a small Paypal payment / Business documentation / etc, so
BL has the sellers details on record and can compare it to the registered address.
So, ideas like that with brief explanation and again, please don't make it
a discussion, just state your idea on what could help to improve BL in regards
to prevent scams
Eric
|
-Escrow
-Firm $$ limit for some period of time (Maybe first 50 orders or something)
-Some set of roadblocks to open any store (business license, small fee, submitting
documents proving that the seller is who they say they are, etc...). It doesn't
have to be any of those, but just some combination of actions that make it difficult
to quickly open a large store.
Scott
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| Author: | happygolucky | | Posted: | Aug 25, 2015 05:29 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 60080-1 | | Viewed: | 16 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 2 Part 30350pb032 Trans-Light Blue Tile, Modified 2 x 3 with 2 Clips with Solar Panel Pattern (Sticker) (Counterpart)
Comments from Submitter:
Adding stickered counterparts to inventory. Thank you.
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| Author: | happygolucky | | Posted: | Aug 25, 2015 05:26 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 60080-1 | | Viewed: | 18 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 18907pb02 White Aircraft Fuselage Curved Forward 6 x 10 Top with 5 Window Panes with Space Shuttle and Space Shuttle Logo Pattern on Both Sides (Stickers) - S (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 3004pb135 Light Bluish Gray Brick 1 x 2 with 'AC60080' Pattern (Sticker) - Set 60080 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 3010pb188 Dark Bluish Gray Brick 1 x 4 with Red and White Danger Stripes (White Corners) Pattern on One Side (Sticker) - Set 60080 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 6249pb001 Dark Bluish Gray Brick, Modified 2 x 4 with Pins with Red and White Danger Stripes Pattern (Sticker) - Set 60080 (Counterpart)
* Add 2 Part 4865pb054 Blue Panel 1 x 2 x 1 with Space Shuttle Logo Panel Pattern (Sticker) - Set 60080 (Counterpart)
* Add 2 Part 87079pb238 Light Bluish Gray Tile 2 x 4 with Hatch Door, '60080' and Filler Cap Pattern (Sticker) - Set 60080 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 30350bpb014 Black Tile, Modified 2 x 3 with 2 Clips with White '1' Digital Display Pattern (Sticker) - Set 60080 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 30350bpb015 Black Tile, Modified 2 x 3 with 2 Clips with White '2' Digital Display Pattern (Sticker) - Set 60080 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 30350bpb016 Black Tile, Modified 2 x 3 with 2 Clips with White '3' Digital Display Pattern (Sticker) - Set 60080 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 4176pb32 Yellow Windscreen 2 x 6 x 2 with Space Shuttle Logo Pattern (Sticker) - Set 60080 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 92584pb002L White Wedge, Plate 10 x 10 Cut Corner with no Studs in Center with Space Shuttle Logo Pattern Model Left Side (Sticker) - Set 60080 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 92584pb002R White Wedge, Plate 10 x 10 Cut Corner with no Studs in Center with Space Shuttle Logo Pattern Model Right Side (Sticker) - Set 60080 (Counterpart)
Comments from Submitter:
Adding stickered counterparts to inventory. Thank you.
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| Author: | RobErNat | | Posted: | Aug 25, 2015 05:16 | | Subject: | Ranking up ideas to slow down potential SCAM | | Viewed: | 203 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | | Status: | Open | | Vote: | [Yes|No] | |
|
| Over the years a lot of suggestions have been made to prevent scam sellers from
getting loads of orders, take the money and run.
I'm sure BL is trying to work out systems to prevent such things from happening
in future, so it would be good to rank up all the potential options one could
imagine to have limitations, to have faster action on potential scam stores and
to potentially send warnings to buyers with open orders.
Please don't make this thread into a discussion, just state a clear idea,
without too much blah blah and without arguing about pro's and contra's,
without repeating or applauding to another ones suggestion, so just simple
things like the one below, with a brief indication/explanation of the option
Certain things could apply for new sellers with no feedback or when a member
opens a store (if if the member has hundreds or thousands of feedbacks from buying),
untill either they proof themselves by generating selling feedback, and/or by
giving proof items are in stock and/or by prooving who they are. Some of the
suggestion may conflict with eachother, but that is besides the intention of
the thread, let's just rank up the ideas in an easy to review thread for
the site admins so they can compile the ideas.
* Lot limitation: New sellers usually start pretty small and build up their store
along the way, so a lot limitation could prevent scammers using the PO function
on high valued sets. Example: maximum 200 lot's (legit sellers would probably
get a few orders a long the way and build up feedback)
* value limitation: example 500$, legit sellers would probably start small with
a limited inventory, get a few orders and work their way up. This limit would
exclude newbies from selling high valued sets soon they open a store, and for
legit sellers starting small, $500 is most likely quite a nice base to get started
(parts/minifigs/small and medium sets) and rank up some orders and feedbacks.
* maximum on 'number' of orders during the first month, for example 1/day
and 3/week, if no complaints during that month (no negatives, no neutrals, no
NSS/NRS statusses), upgrade to 2/day and 5/week the next month, if still no complaints,
full access
* Tags on high valued sets, so the admins would get a warning, sellers with a
sellers feedback lower then 10 for example.
* As admins can't be around 24/7: select a number of people worldwide who
can tag stores or listings, if a store or an item get's tagged by 3 different
people: Closure as 'preventive action', or block an item from being bought,
so the admins can review if there is a problem or not, the next business day
or their next avaliable moment online, with offcourse a mail to the admins to
check the situation or the item for sale that was 'locked'.
* If a store is locked (except if the reason is non payment of fees): a warning
to all buyers with open orders to either delay payment for a few days, to contact
seller to ask for tracking or proof of postage if shipped or ask information
about the status of the order and expected shippingdate if not yet shipped.
* Obligation for brand new sellers to have Paypal among the offered accepted
payment methods (after all they'll need to pay fees to BL for the sales,
so they need Paypal anyway).
* BL as temporary withholder of funds particulary on larger orders from newbie
sellers (I'm not in favor of this myself, but I do consider it an option).
* More proof on who sellers are, prior to being allowed opening a store: ID card
/ Drivers license / a small Paypal payment / Business documentation / etc, so
BL has the sellers details on record and can compare it to the registered address.
So, ideas like that with brief explanation and again, please don't make it
a discussion, just state your idea on what could help to improve BL in regards
to prevent scams
Eric
|
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| Author: | Brixalotl | | Posted: | Aug 25, 2015 00:32 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 9090-1 | | Viewed: | 20 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, viejos writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, Brixalotl writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 8 Part 12602 Yellow Duplo Fence Railing with 6 Posts (Alternate) (match ID 3)
* Add 8 Part 12602 Blue Duplo Fence Railing with 6 Posts (Alternate) (match ID 4)
* Add 8 Part 12602 Red Duplo Fence Railing with 6 Posts (Alternate) (match ID 5)
* Add 6 Part 90265 White Duplo Door / Window with Four (same size) Panes Square Corners (Alternate) (match ID 6)
* Add 6 Part 61649 Red Duplo Door Frame Flat Front Surface, Completely Open Back (Alternate) (match ID 7)
* Add 2 Part 3437pb049 Bright Green Duplo, Brick 2 x 2 with Eye with White Spot and Curve Pattern on Two Sides (Alternate) (match ID 8)
* Add 2 Part 3437pb049 Red Duplo, Brick 2 x 2 with Eye with White Spot and Curve Pattern on Two Sides (Alternate) (match ID 9)
* Add 2 Part 3437pb049 Yellow Duplo, Brick 2 x 2 with Eye with White Spot and Curve Pattern on Two Sides (Alternate) (match ID 10)
* Change 8 Part Yellow 2214 Duplo Fence Railing with 5 Posts {match ID 0 to 3}
* Change 8 Part Blue 2214 Duplo Fence Railing with 5 Posts {match ID 0 to 4}
* Change 8 Part Red 2214 Duplo Fence Railing with 5 Posts {match ID 0 to 5}
* Change 6 Part Yellow 2206 Duplo Door / Window with Four Panes Square Corners {match ID 0 to 6}
* Change 6 Part Red 2332 Duplo Door Frame with Raised Door Outline {match ID 0 to 7}
* Change 2 Part Bright Green 3437pe1 Duplo, Brick 2 x 2 with Eye with White Spot Pattern, on Two Sides - Type 1 {match ID 0 to 8}
* Change 2 Part Red 3437pe1 Duplo, Brick 2 x 2 with Eye with White Spot Pattern, on Two Sides - Type 1 {match ID 0 to 9}
* Change 2 Part Yellow 3437pe1 Duplo, Brick 2 x 2 with Eye with White Spot Pattern, on Two Sides - Type 1 {match ID 0 to 10}
Comments from Submitter:
verified in more recent sealed sets
|
Could you please confirm the windows switching from yellow to white? Also, you
may wish to check this set:
...for the newer fences.
|
I can confirm that the windows switched to white, but am unable to verify if
the new fence was in 6136-2 as I don't have those separated out. Sorry
|
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| Author: | viejos | | Posted: | Aug 25, 2015 00:06 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 9090-1 | | Viewed: | 19 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, Brixalotl writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 8 Part 12602 Yellow Duplo Fence Railing with 6 Posts (Alternate) (match ID 3)
* Add 8 Part 12602 Blue Duplo Fence Railing with 6 Posts (Alternate) (match ID 4)
* Add 8 Part 12602 Red Duplo Fence Railing with 6 Posts (Alternate) (match ID 5)
* Add 6 Part 90265 White Duplo Door / Window with Four (same size) Panes Square Corners (Alternate) (match ID 6)
* Add 6 Part 61649 Red Duplo Door Frame Flat Front Surface, Completely Open Back (Alternate) (match ID 7)
* Add 2 Part 3437pb049 Bright Green Duplo, Brick 2 x 2 with Eye with White Spot and Curve Pattern on Two Sides (Alternate) (match ID 8)
* Add 2 Part 3437pb049 Red Duplo, Brick 2 x 2 with Eye with White Spot and Curve Pattern on Two Sides (Alternate) (match ID 9)
* Add 2 Part 3437pb049 Yellow Duplo, Brick 2 x 2 with Eye with White Spot and Curve Pattern on Two Sides (Alternate) (match ID 10)
* Change 8 Part Yellow 2214 Duplo Fence Railing with 5 Posts {match ID 0 to 3}
* Change 8 Part Blue 2214 Duplo Fence Railing with 5 Posts {match ID 0 to 4}
* Change 8 Part Red 2214 Duplo Fence Railing with 5 Posts {match ID 0 to 5}
* Change 6 Part Yellow 2206 Duplo Door / Window with Four Panes Square Corners {match ID 0 to 6}
* Change 6 Part Red 2332 Duplo Door Frame with Raised Door Outline {match ID 0 to 7}
* Change 2 Part Bright Green 3437pe1 Duplo, Brick 2 x 2 with Eye with White Spot Pattern, on Two Sides - Type 1 {match ID 0 to 8}
* Change 2 Part Red 3437pe1 Duplo, Brick 2 x 2 with Eye with White Spot Pattern, on Two Sides - Type 1 {match ID 0 to 9}
* Change 2 Part Yellow 3437pe1 Duplo, Brick 2 x 2 with Eye with White Spot Pattern, on Two Sides - Type 1 {match ID 0 to 10}
Comments from Submitter:
verified in more recent sealed sets
|
Could you please confirm the windows switching from yellow to white? Also, you
may wish to check this set:
...for the newer fences.
|
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| Author: | Brixalotl | | Posted: | Aug 24, 2015 23:03 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 9090-1 | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 8 Part 12602 Yellow Duplo Fence Railing with 6 Posts (Alternate) (match ID 3)
* Add 8 Part 12602 Blue Duplo Fence Railing with 6 Posts (Alternate) (match ID 4)
* Add 8 Part 12602 Red Duplo Fence Railing with 6 Posts (Alternate) (match ID 5)
* Add 6 Part 90265 White Duplo Door / Window with Four (same size) Panes Square Corners (Alternate) (match ID 6)
* Add 6 Part 61649 Red Duplo Door Frame Flat Front Surface, Completely Open Back (Alternate) (match ID 7)
* Add 2 Part 3437pb049 Bright Green Duplo, Brick 2 x 2 with Eye with White Spot and Curve Pattern on Two Sides (Alternate) (match ID 8)
* Add 2 Part 3437pb049 Red Duplo, Brick 2 x 2 with Eye with White Spot and Curve Pattern on Two Sides (Alternate) (match ID 9)
* Add 2 Part 3437pb049 Yellow Duplo, Brick 2 x 2 with Eye with White Spot and Curve Pattern on Two Sides (Alternate) (match ID 10)
* Change 8 Part Yellow 2214 Duplo Fence Railing with 5 Posts {match ID 0 to 3}
* Change 8 Part Blue 2214 Duplo Fence Railing with 5 Posts {match ID 0 to 4}
* Change 8 Part Red 2214 Duplo Fence Railing with 5 Posts {match ID 0 to 5}
* Change 6 Part Yellow 2206 Duplo Door / Window with Four Panes Square Corners {match ID 0 to 6}
* Change 6 Part Red 2332 Duplo Door Frame with Raised Door Outline {match ID 0 to 7}
* Change 2 Part Bright Green 3437pe1 Duplo, Brick 2 x 2 with Eye with White Spot Pattern, on Two Sides - Type 1 {match ID 0 to 8}
* Change 2 Part Red 3437pe1 Duplo, Brick 2 x 2 with Eye with White Spot Pattern, on Two Sides - Type 1 {match ID 0 to 9}
* Change 2 Part Yellow 3437pe1 Duplo, Brick 2 x 2 with Eye with White Spot Pattern, on Two Sides - Type 1 {match ID 0 to 10}
Comments from Submitter:
verified in more recent sealed sets
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| Author: | Brixalotl | | Posted: | Aug 24, 2015 19:54 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 6157-1 | | Viewed: | 20 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 7 Part 76371 Yellow Duplo, Brick 1 x 2 x 2 with Bottom Tube (Alternate) (match ID 1)
* Change 7 Part Yellow 4066 Duplo, Brick 1 x 2 x 2 {match ID 0 to 1}
Comments from Submitter:
verified in sealed set
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|
| Author: | happygolucky | | Posted: | Aug 24, 2015 12:10 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 75912-1 | | Viewed: | 29 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 87079pb232 White Tile 2 x 4 with Russian Flag Pattern (Sticker) - Set 75912 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 87079pb228 White Tile 2 x 4 with Danish Flag Pattern (Sticker) - Set 75912 (Counterpart)
Comments from Submitter:
Adding stickered counterparts to inventory. Thank you.
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| Author: | viejos | | Posted: | Aug 24, 2015 09:56 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 70151-1 | | Viewed: | 19 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
|
| In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 59232 Flat Silver Minifig, Weapon Spiked Flail (Alternate) (match ID 1)
* Change 1 Part Flat Silver 93787 Minifig, Weapon Spiked Flail - Flexible Rubber {match ID 0 to 1}
Comments from Submitter:
From sealed set contents.
|
Just curious. What is the hold-up on this request?
Randy
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The question is whether 93787 should be retained as an alternate.
Russell
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| Author: | randyf | | Posted: | Aug 24, 2015 09:39 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 70151-1 | | Viewed: | 21 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
|
| In Inventories Requests, randyf writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 59232 Flat Silver Minifig, Weapon Spiked Flail (Alternate) (match ID 1)
* Change 1 Part Flat Silver 93787 Minifig, Weapon Spiked Flail - Flexible Rubber {match ID 0 to 1}
Comments from Submitter:
From sealed set contents.
|
Just curious. What is the hold-up on this request?
Randy
|
|
| Author: | viejos | | Posted: | Aug 24, 2015 09:35 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 21006-1 | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
|
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 64 Part 3794b White Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud with Groove (Jumper) (Alternate) (match ID 4)
* Change 64 Part White 3794 Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud (Jumper) {match ID 0 to 4}
Comments from Submitter:
As found by memeber Egcwatch.
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| Author: | viejos | | Posted: | Aug 24, 2015 09:28 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 60011-1 | | Viewed: | 18 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
|
| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 14518c01pb01 Dark Bluish Gray Shark with Gills and Black Eyes with White Pupils Pattern (Complete Assembly) (Alternate) (match ID 1)
Comments from Submitter:
As found by member Daave.
|
|
| Author: | paulvdb | | Posted: | Aug 24, 2015 01:42 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 10188-1 | | Viewed: | 22 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
|
| In Inventories Requests, viejos writes:
| | In Inventories Requests, Trejean writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 11402d Black Minifig, Utensil Tool 4-Way Lug Wrench (Extra)
* Add 1 Part 11402f Black Minifig, Utensil Tool Adjustable Wrench (Extra)
* Add 1 Part 11402e Black Minifig, Utensil Tool Ratchet / Socket Wrench (Extra)
Comments from Submitter:
verified in sealed sets
|
Did these utensils come in a separate pack, or were they mixed in with other
types of parts?
|
The 11402* tools always all come together in their own seperate plastic bag.
Newer production runs of this set have these new tools instead of the old 6246
tool wheel. When I submitted the other 11402* tools I submitted only the ones
that were alternates for the tools on the wheel, but the whole bag was included
so I guess the others should be added as extras.
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| Author: | chetzler | | Posted: | Aug 24, 2015 01:05 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 41058-1 | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 3794b Blue Plate, Modified 1 x 2 with 1 Stud with Groove (Jumper) (Alternate) (match ID 1)
Comments from Submitter:
Alternate version found in five sealed copies of this set.
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| Author: | viejos | | Posted: | Aug 23, 2015 23:11 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 75912-1 | | Viewed: | 20 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
|
| In Inventories Requests, happygolucky writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 6091pb012 White Brick, Modified 1 x 2 x 1 1/3 with Curved Top with Light Bluish Gray Markings Pattern (Sticker) – Set 75912 (Counterpart)
* Add 2 Part 6091pb011 White Brick, Modified 1 x 2 x 1 1/3 with Curved Top with Light Bluish Gray Stripe and Yellow Headlight Pattern (Sticker) – Set 75912 (Counterpart)
* Add 2 Part 6091pb010 Orange Brick, Modified 1 x 2 x 1 1/3 with Curved Top with Yellow Headlight Pattern (Sticker) – Set 75912 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 6191pb009L White Brick, Modified 1 x 4 x 1 1/3 No Studs, Curved Top with '911' in Red Rectangle and Gray Stripe Pattern Model Left Side (Sticker) - Set (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 6191pb009R White Brick, Modified 1 x 4 x 1 1/3 No Studs, Curved Top with '911' in Red Rectangle and Gray Stripes Pattern Model Right Side (Sticker) - S (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 6191pb010L Orange Brick, Modified 1 x 4 x 1 1/3 No Studs, Curved Top with Black Stripe and White Half Pattern Model Left Side (Sticker) - Set 75912 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 6191pb010R Orange Brick, Modified 1 x 4 x 1 1/3 No Studs, Curved Top with Black Stripe and White Half Pattern Model Right Side (Sticker) - Set 75912 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 11477pb021L White Slope, Curved 2 x 1 No Studs with Light Bluish Gray Stripe and Red Taillight Pattern Model Left Side (Sticker) - Set 75912 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 11477pb021R White Slope, Curved 2 x 1 No Studs with Light Bluish Gray Stripe and Red Taillight Pattern Model Right Side (Sticker) - Set 75912 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 11477pb020L Orange Slope, Curved 2 x 1 No Studs with Red Taillight Pattern Model Left Side (Sticker) - Set 75912 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 11477pb020R Orange Slope, Curved 2 x 1 No Studs with Red Taillight Pattern Model Right Side (Sticker) - Set 75912 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 50950pb087L White Slope, Curved 3 x 1 No Studs with Angled Light Bluish Gray Stripe Pattern Model Left Side (Sticker) - Set 75912 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 50950pb087R White Slope, Curved 3 x 1 No Studs with Curved Light Bluish Stripe Pattern Model Right Side (Sticker) - Set 75912 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 50950pb086L White Slope, Curved 3 x 1 No Studs with 'Mobil 1' Pattern Model Left Side (Sticker) - Set 75912 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 50950pb086R White Slope, Curved 3 x 1 No Studs with 'Mobil 1' Pattern Model Right Side (Sticker) - Set 75912 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 50950pb085L Orange Slope, Curved 3 x 1 No Studs with Orange 'hybrid' on White Background Pattern Model Left Side (Sticker) - Set 75912 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 50950pb085R Orange Slope, Curved 3 x 1 No Studs with Orange 'hybrid' on White Background Pattern Model Right Side (Sticker) - Set 75912 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 93273pb047 White Slope, Curved 4 x 1 Double No Studs with 'Mobil 1' on Both Ends Pattern (Sticker) - Set 75912 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 93273pb046 White Slope, Curved 4 x 1 Double No Studs with 'Mobil 1' Pattern (Sticker) - Set 75912 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 2431pb392L White Tile 1 x 4 with Curved and Angled Light Bluish Gray Stripes Pattern Model Left Side (Sticker) - Set 75912 (Counterpart)
* Add 1 Part 2431pb392R White Tile 1 x 4 with Curved and Straight Light Bluish Gray Stripes Pattern Model Right Side (Sticker) - Set 75912 (Counterpart)
Comments from Submitter:
Adding stickered counterparts to inventory. Thank you.
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There are 2 of this stickered part, one on the front of the orange car and one
on the back of the white car:
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| Author: | elias3 | | Posted: | Aug 23, 2015 22:13 | | Subject: | Re: Inventory Change Request for Set 6936-1 | | Viewed: | 18 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests | |
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| In Inventories Requests, Kelcy writes:
| | Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 2 Set 6936-1 Piraka & Catapult
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??
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| Author: | Kelcy | | Posted: | Aug 23, 2015 22:09 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 6936-1 | | Viewed: | 26 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 2 Set 6936-1 Piraka & Catapult
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| Author: | pdr507 | | Posted: | Aug 23, 2015 22:06 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 10226-1 | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 2 Part 10202pb002 Dark Green Tile 6 x 6 with Bottom Tubes with Blue Circle and Red Dot (British Roundel) Pattern (Sticker) - Set 10226 (Counterpart)
Comments from Submitter:
Adding stickered counterpart
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| Author: | starbeanie | | Posted: | Aug 23, 2015 21:13 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 7143-1 | | Viewed: | 17 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Change 1 Part White {3049 Slope 45 2 x 1 Double / Inverted - Undetermined Underside to 3049b Slope 45 2 x 1 Double / Inverted - without Bottom Tube or Bottom Stud Holder}
Comments from Submitter:
verified from sealed set
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| Author: | Nigel_Hill | | Posted: | Aug 23, 2015 18:11 | | Subject: | Re: Changes to catalog part view are terrible. | | Viewed: | 42 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, TheBrickGuys writes:
| | In Suggestions, tEoS writes:
| | Here:
| | Is there a way to check 'known colors' anymore? I used that a lot.
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I dont understand? Like mentioned above, there is a color tab that shows the
available known colors. Or is this problem related with the glitch talked about
above where there were no tabs available so you cant choose the colors tab (I
know I can see the tabs)?
Jim
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It may have been a gitch. All the tabs at the bottom were not loading.
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| Author: | Feuh | | Posted: | Aug 23, 2015 08:20 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 41059-1 | | Viewed: | 25 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 16981 Lime Plant Vine with Leaves, 16L (Extra)
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| Author: | welo999 | | Posted: | Aug 23, 2015 04:42 | | Subject: | Inventory Change Request for Set 75900-1 | | Viewed: | 23 times | | Topic: | Inventories Requests (Entry) | | Status: | Open | |
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| Please make changes to the following inventory:
* Add 1 Part 54200 Light Bluish Gray Slope 30 1 x 1 x 2/3 (Extra)
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| Author: | TheBrickGuys | | Posted: | Aug 23, 2015 00:36 | | Subject: | Re: Changes to catalog part view are terrible. | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tEoS writes:
| | Here:
| | Is there a way to check 'known colors' anymore? I used that a lot.
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I dont understand? Like mentioned above, there is a color tab that shows the
available known colors. Or is this problem related with the glitch talked about
above where there were no tabs available so you cant choose the colors tab (I
know I can see the tabs)?
Jim
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| Author: | Darth_Smithy | | Posted: | Aug 22, 2015 21:38 | | Subject: | Re: Changes to catalog part view are terrible. | | Viewed: | 52 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, tEoS writes:
| | Here:
| | Is there a way to check 'known colors' anymore? I used that a lot.
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Thanks!
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| Author: | fredjh | | Posted: | Aug 22, 2015 21:37 | | Subject: | Re: Changes to catalog part view are terrible. | | Viewed: | 44 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| Voted yes... I use those pages for reference all the time. I know it takes compute
time and bandwidth, but I think I've bought enough here that I can look things
up sometimes - and when you have to click on other links to get the data, you
end up using MORE bandwidth.
I'd like to think it's a problem they are already working on, though,
as a lot of my catalog and "all item" searches are often just coming up blank
(not even a "not found" message).
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