Redisplay Messages: Compact | Brief | All | Full Show Messages: All | Without Replies| Author: | aftepes  | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2014 17:05 | | Subject: | Re: BL Development Team: Test before rollout! | | Viewed: | 59 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, QCBricks writes:
| | True, but that is different than steering 90% of the threads into "Well BO does
it..." or whatever. I have never said that there should be no discussion. My
issue with the handful of people that clearly have an agenda.
Something like the currency issue was a real, easily understood issue. The whole
"the MOC shop team can just work on the main site" argument is just conjecture.
(as an example)
As I have said, it is not just the major issues, it is every single little issue
that gets turned into "OMG!!!11!!!1!1 BL is on the decline" from the same
handful of users. That is not the same thing as constructive discussion that
happened on some of the issues you mention.
Scott
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I'd love to see this list of individuals who have the agenda and your opinion
on what their agenda consists of.
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| Author: | aftepes | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2014 17:02 | | Subject: | Re: BL Development Team: Test before rollout! | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, QCBricks writes:
| | You haven't done that by now?
What does the 100th message saying the same thing accomplish?
Scott
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It says that my frustration is building, but I haven't reached the breaking
point that I actually act on a viable option. It says that you still haven't
addressed my concerns. It says a lot actually. It might also say that while I'm
looking elsewhere, I still want this to succeed.
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| Author: | calebfishn | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2014 16:56 | | Subject: | Re: BL Development Team: Test before rollout! | | Viewed: | 38 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, QCBricks writes:
| | In Suggestions, TheBrickGuys writes:
| | In Suggestions, lovaquero writes:
| | Bricklink World Class Programming & Customer Serivce team -
Test before release. This concept is not hard. Perhaps in your eagerness to
pacify the crowd with pitchforks and torches you have forgotten it. Perhaps you
may just not know. Here is how you do it:
For EACH (individual) change to Bricklink:
-----------------------------------------
#1 - Scope your change to know its impact
#2 - Write your test plan to match the requirements for the change
#3 - Recognize that there are at least three (3) internet browsers to support:
Chrome, Firefox & Internet Explorer (IE)
#4 - Make sure that the test plan fails before any change is made
#5 - Implement the change, and only that change, in a development environment
#6 - Execute the test plan (in an isolated environement that matches the live
environment) for Chrome, Firefox and IE
#7 - Repeat steps 5-6 until the test plan passes for all three (3) browsers
#8* - Run the full test plan on the ENTIRE site to ensure everything still works
#9 - If anything fails, return to step #1 and repeat
#10 - Release the change to the live site.
(* Bricklink is written with ancient software that has so many dependencies,
querks, gotchas and 'hidden' features that it is impossible to know what
a change will do to seemingly unrelated features. That is why the software used
to run Bricklink is no longer used nor even supported, not even by the company
that originally created the software...)
Your new mantra must be: "test! Test! TEST! And then test it again!"
Any modern development team worth being paid - especially one that performs
web development - knows this.
Regards,
Rodney
Software Systems Engineer
Solution Infrastructure - Guidance & Machine Automation
John Deere Intelligent Solution Group
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Thats a nice pitchfork and torch you carry.
Can you elaborate on what some of these horrible bad things are that BL has recently
done that now make it impossible for anyone to ever use BL again?
So many scream change CHANGE C H A N G E !! then.... oh wait
I dont like this change. I SAID I D O N T
L I K E T H I S C H A N G E ! !
Jim
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Jim-
Logic is of no use. Bricklink is in a complete no-win situation at this point.
The 20 or so people that seem to live to instantly criticize them will do that
here in the forum no matter what Bricklink does. (or how well/poorly they do
it)
Fortunately for the complainers, they will have a whole new host of minor issues
to blow up over on Friday when the MOC shop opens.
Scott
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i don't donsider it a minor issue that my buyers cannot view important information
about my store.
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| Author: | legoman77 | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2014 16:50 | | Subject: | Re: BL Development Team: Test before rollout! | | Viewed: | 63 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, QCBricks writes:
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True, but that is different than steering 90% of the threads into "Well BO does
it..." or whatever.
Scott
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John P
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| Author: | QCBricks | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2014 16:40 | | Subject: | Re: BL Development Team: Test before rollout! | | Viewed: | 69 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, mnementh writes:
| | In Suggestions, QCBricks writes:
| | All true, but coming into thread after thread saying the same things over and
over accomplishes nothing.
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How do you know that?
I know many features that BrickLink currently has that took YEARS or arguing
in the forums to get implemented.
Think Multiple Currencies.
Think Fixed exchange rates.
Heck, even inventories took a while to get implemented.
Perhaps we complain about things that don't work in the hopes that they will
be fixed.
Eventually.
Troy
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True, but that is different than steering 90% of the threads into "Well BO does
it..." or whatever. I have never said that there should be no discussion. My
issue with the handful of people that clearly have an agenda.
Something like the currency issue was a real, easily understood issue. The whole
"the MOC shop team can just work on the main site" argument is just conjecture.
(as an example)
As I have said, it is not just the major issues, it is every single little issue
that gets turned into "OMG!!!11!!!1!1 BL is on the decline" from the same
handful of users. That is not the same thing as constructive discussion that
happened on some of the issues you mention.
Scott
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| Author: | picabo | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2014 16:39 | | Subject: | Re: BL Development Team: Test before rollout! | | Viewed: | 55 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, mnementh writes:
| | In Suggestions, picabo writes:
| | Yes, _____ was so nice. I'll remember to put him on my next party invitation
list.
Pam
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While I do not condone his actions, they did spark action on securing the site,
which may not have happened otherwise.
And I think the point John was trying to make was, imagine how much worse it
could have been had they been more malicious. Do you have a recent backup of
your inventory? Imagine logging in tomorrow and your inventory being gone.
Or that all your prices were half of what they were today? Or even more subtle
changes, like random quantity adjustments.
But lets not forget, his actions were not entirely benign. There were changes
made to the catalog and other issues.
Troy
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I'll agree on that.
But it was difficult getting email from BL members asking me what was wrong with
me and why was I doing this since he was posting as me. Little did they know
that when I figured out how to cut and paste I felt like a champion. Hack a site.
Huh?
And the forum was ablaze with comments to the then current owners instead of
directing their anger to the hacker. Without Eric straightening everything out
with me I would probably have never come back.
Pam
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| Author: | mnementh | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2014 16:31 | | Subject: | Re: BL Development Team: Test before rollout! | | Viewed: | 71 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, picabo writes:
| | Yes, _____ was so nice. I'll remember to put him on my next party invitation
list.
Pam
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While I do not condone his actions, they did spark action on securing the site,
which may not have happened otherwise.
And I think the point John was trying to make was, imagine how much worse it
could have been had they been more malicious. Do you have a recent backup of
your inventory? Imagine logging in tomorrow and your inventory being gone.
Or that all your prices were half of what they were today? Or even more subtle
changes, like random quantity adjustments.
But lets not forget, his actions were not entirely benign. There were changes
made to the catalog and other issues.
Troy
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| Author: | picabo | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2014 16:23 | | Subject: | Re: BL Development Team: Test before rollout! | | Viewed: | 56 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, legoman77 writes:
| | In Suggestions, picabo writes:
| | In Suggestions, legoman77 writes:
| | In Suggestions, picabo writes:
| | In Suggestions, legoman77 writes:
| | In Suggestions, QCBricks writes:
| | It should have become clear to you by now that you aren't going to get what
you want from BL, so why still remain here making the same complaints and "world
class" jabs over and over? Do they get more witty when they are made for the
200th time?
Scott
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Scott: How many times are you going to complain about the people complaining?
Do they get more witty when they are made for the 200th time?
What should the users do? How do they get the owners to fix things? If you
have a better way let everyone know and then they can use that way to affect
change. You seem to forget how long this has been going on. What is the solution?
Is it to sit back and suck it up while things get worse? Instead of complaining
about complaining come up with a solution. Also find a solution to get that
COMMUNIST FLAG OFF MY SCREEN. And do not use the mantra "don't come here
if you don't like it." This site is composed of members, or has been. There
was even a community overseer at one time. This is a community that cares about
BrickLink and wants it to continue, to be successful, and to be easy. Other
sites do it, why can that not be done here? I have never one since I started
using eBay has the site been down while I was using it and I just went over 8000
feedbacks on eBay. I have used Amazon for years and never a problem. But BrickLink
that was supposed to be working and fixed puts a Communist Flag on my screen
and that is not fixed. What are these people going to do if the site gets hacked
again? A hacker could erase all inventories, all history and find passwords
to use on PayPal. If the security is commiserate with the workings of BrickLink,
watch out.
John P
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Just to be clear and not cause a panic for those unaware, Paypal is separate
from BL and there isn't anything related to Paypal stored within BL.
Pam
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The last time BrickLink was hacked they looked at the id and pass words and went
into paypal and could get into user accounts that used the same passwords. That
is scarey.
John P
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John, I honestly don't think that anything actually happened with anyone's
Paypal account. My BL account was one of the hacked accounts and there wasn't
any log in history related to BL on my Paypal account.
That being said, in this day and age with everything that's been in the media
about Target, etc., if anyone has the same ID and password for any account that's
just dumb.
Pam
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The hacker admitted it on the forum and said that he just went into the paypal
accounts that had the same passwords and just looked around.
Thank goodness he was a nice hacker, will the next one be so nice?
John P
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Yes, _____ was so nice. I'll remember to put him on my next party invitation
list.
Pam
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| Author: | picabo | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2014 16:21 | | Subject: | Re: BL Development Team: Test before rollout! | | Viewed: | 46 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, legoman77 writes:
| | In Suggestions, picabo writes:
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Just to be clear and not cause a panic for those unaware, Paypal is separate
from BL and there isn't anything related to Paypal stored within BL.
Pam
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbgtHaoMPn8
John P
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+1
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| Author: | mnementh | | Posted: | Aug 20, 2014 16:21 | | Subject: | Re: BL Development Team: Test before rollout! | | Viewed: | 73 times | | Topic: | Suggestions | |
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| In Suggestions, QCBricks writes:
| | All true, but coming into thread after thread saying the same things over and
over accomplishes nothing.
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How do you know that?
I know many features that BrickLink currently has that took YEARS or arguing
in the forums to get implemented.
Think Multiple Currencies.
Think Fixed exchange rates.
Heck, even inventories took a while to get implemented.
Perhaps we complain about things that don't work in the hopes that they will
be fixed.
Eventually.
Troy
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